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FBI Releases Photos, Video Of Subject In Nancy Guthrie Case; Newly Released Document Raises Questions About What Trump May Have Known Of Epstein's Crimes In The Mid-2000s; Source: Google Worked With FBI To Recover Images From Guthrie Cam. Aired 4-5p ET

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"THE ARENA WITH KASIE HUNT" starts right now.

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KASIE HUNT, CNN HOST: Breaking news, as we come on the air. A major development in the search for Nancy Guthrie.

Hi, everyone. I'm Kasie Hunt. Welcome to THE ARENA.

As we get started today, what could be the most important piece of evidence yet? Ten days since Nancy Guthrie was reported missing, the FBI just released chilling videos taken by the camera at Guthrie's front door on the morning of her disappearance. You see an individual wearing a full face mask, gloves and a backpack.

At times, you can see what appears to be a gun holstered in the person's front waistband and a flashlight in their mouth. This person tries to cover the camera with their hand, then steps away and returns with a handful of plants that they use to try to further obstruct the camera's view.

In another video released by the FBI, you see the same individual when they first approached the door. NBC reports that the Guthrie family does not recognize the person in these videos in still images taken from the videos, we get our clearest view of this person's face. The FBI is hoping that these haunting photos will bring new leads from members of the public who might know who this is.

In an Instagram post, Savannah Guthrie shared some of these terrifying images of the person at her mother's front door and she wrote this, quote, "Someone out there recognizes this person. We believe she is still out there. Bring her home." Of course, talking about her mother, Nancy Guthrie.

Let's get off the sidelines and head into THE ARENA. We have our law enforcement experts standing by.

But I want to start, of course, with CNN's Jake Tapper. He's live outside the Pima County Sheriff's Department.

Jake, this has just been an extraordinary series of developments today. And it's renewed some optimism that perhaps there could be a break here. Can you walk us through the latest?

JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR, THE LEAD: So, it really has been a remarkable turn of events, because one thing that I think this -- the news today provides the Guthrie family with is hope. The idea that now there might be a break in the case.

Savannah Guthrie took to social media yesterday to issue a plea to the American people to look for and share any information they might have. And one thing that has been so haunting and disturbing about this case is that since Nancy Guthrie disappeared on February 1st in the early morning hours, there really hasn't been any solid information about what happened to her. We still don\t know if those two ransom notes were even legitimate.

So, when Savannah Guthrie issued her fourth video and this one was aimed at the public, not the kidnappers asking for any information they might have, it seemed to suggest that there really was not much to go on. And in fact, that's what the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's Department said in subsequent postings after Savannah's video.

But then came the news today that the FBI had been working with private companies to recover whatever video might have come from that Nest camera that the camera had disappeared. And it was thought that there was no footage available but through remarkable efforts by these companies and by the FBI, they were able to recover some footage and when you look at the footage, the six photographs and the three videos, there is a lot to go on, not only for law enforcement, but for common citizens.

I mean, when you think about the crowdsourcing that took place after the murder of the UnitedHealthcare executive, which resulted in some images coming forward but not ones as detailed as these, and some McDonalds workers in Altoona, Pennsylvania, thought they spotted him and there went the alleged shooter Luigi Mangione, who was arrested.

Same thing with the very few images of the person suspected in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. That person's father thought he recognized his son by those images and turned in his son for allegedly being the shooter, or encouraged him to turn himself. Rather.

Here we have much more. We have video that shows the person's build, clothing the person was wearing, his or her gait, his or her manner, and as Savannah Guthrie said in one of her social media posts, sharing one of the videos, someone out there recognizes this person and that really sounds like a reasonable belief, because this person does seem recognizable.

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And Savannah Guthrie also said in a posting of the four initial images released by the FBI, we believe our mother is still alive. So there is hope today, for the very first time in a week and a half since this horrible ordeal began -- Kasie.

HUNT: Indeed. Jake, stand by for us. I know you, of course, are preparing to anchor your show, but you are going to be here as well with us.

Josh Campbell, Jake mentioned just how much we can learn from what we see in this video. Can you walk us through kind of piece by piece what you see here? That could be something that would be recognizable?

JOSH CAMPBELL, CNN SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. I mean, as Jake said there, I mean, this is critical because up to now, authorities have essentially been asking the public in the abstract to come forward, you know proactively with anything that they may have seen, but now they're actually giving this image to the public saying, look this is the person we want you to look at and say and determine, did you see this individual?

On this chilling new video, you see the person there walking, he's wearing a mask completely clothed from head to toe. But look what's on his hands. He has these thick gloves there that are obscuring his hands. He also has a backpack on now, sometimes criminals are smart and they will go out of their way not to leave behind things like fingerprints or hair fibers or skin cells. That could then help authorities run DNA tests.

This part is a little clunky here. You see him actually walk over and then appear to grab some type of foliage, or flower or plant to try to cover up the camera itself. That does raise the question if this was someone who had actually done some type of reconnaissance or casing and knew there was a camera, there might be so unprepared to actually try to obstruct that image.

But critical new information the authorities are asking everyone who might have information to call authorities and then behind the scenes, they're also trying to look at every item that this person had on him to determine where was the mask bought, where was the backpack bought? That's been critical. A lot of past cases to try to get financial records that can then identify a potential suspect.

HUNT: Right. Well, and, Jake, one thing that was apparently learned here, and you mentioned this NBC is now reporting the Guthrie family saw these images before they were released to the public, and they did not recognize this person. And because they didn't recognize anyone, that prompted them to go public. It seems like it would be expected that there would then be a flood of tips to these lines that have been out there.

How are you hearing that officials on the ground are potentially preparing for that flood? TAPPER: Well, FBI, the FBI had already started receiving an influx of

FBI agents and officials to come here and work on this case. And I do suspect that there will be an increase of tips -- and tips based on this information, because this is information I mean, before there was nothing and now there are three videos and six photographs.

And as Savannah says, I mean, I agreed with her post when she said it somebody out there recognizes this person. I mean, somebody out there not connected to this horrific deed thinks, oh that looks a little bit like so and so. And the call is from Savannah, from the FBI, from the Pima County sheriff's department, if that's you, if you think you know who this is, call them, 1-800-CALL-FBI is the number.

And the FBI has brought in a number of individuals to help with this tip line and to help on this case, 24/7. And I expect that we'll be hearing more from them soon.

HUNT: Josh Campbell, what does it say, that it took 10 days to get this footage out there?

CAMPBELL: Well, look, this is tough. I mean, we know that at least according to authorities, that there wasn't an active subscription despite having the doorbell camera there. And so that could have been a challenge.

Also, the fact that the camera itself was taken away by the suspect but look, you know this advancement in technology that we're seeing, you know, a lot of people think, well when you delete a file you delete something on one of your devices that it's gone. It's just not the case. That information will often reside in the what's called the slack space of certain devices that can then with the right tools and capabilities, in certain circumstances be actually recovered.

But that's meticulous stuff that authorities have to try to use. Those cyber experts in order to try to do. But, you know obviously critical, critical evidence here that they're pushing out.

And the last thing I'll just note, Kasie, is that, you know one thing its worth noting, we heard from one of our FBI, former FBI profilers earlier. Even if someone doesn't have a full have a full identification or they're absolutely certain who this person is, even if you know someone who resembles that person who then has had some kind of disruption in their pattern of life, you know, they don't go to the same places to work. They don't go to the coffee shop or, you know, their normal routines.

That could be a clue for law enforcement as well, because if this person still has Ms. Guthrie captive, that would certainly be disruptive to their day to day. So even if people watching this don't think, well, I don't know for certain who that is authorities want you to kind of look through this through the lens of, well, is there anything about this in particular that I can then maybe, perhaps be of assistance to authorities with?

HUNT: It's a really important, important point important for people to know. Chief Charles Ramsey, I want to zero in on the gun for a second because the way this person appears to be holding it where its placed on the body, its pointed down you know, towards their own kind of abdomen does this make it seem like you think this is a person who has been trained or knows how to carry a gun? Or what does it tell you about them?

CHARLES RAMSEY, CNN SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I mean, it's just speculation, but I would say that this is a person that's not very familiar with how to carry a gun. An accidental discharge, it's pretty obvious what might happen if should that occur. And so that would be something that I would certainly look into.

But there are a lot of clues when you look at this video. When you look at the still shot of the face, you can see what appears to be a mustache individual, some hair under the lip, which means he might or might not have a full beard. You know, this was taken at night, so you've got that night vision lens that these cameras have. So that's why you don't see, you know real clarity in color and so forth. But you can pick up an awful lot from this.

And if it's somebody who, you know I believe you could pretty much guess that this could possibly be that person. And again, I would urge people, whether you think it is or not, if it even crosses your mind call the FBI, call Pima County, call somebody because you never know. I mean, whether or not, you know, the person who you suspect is actually the person.

So, there's an awful lot. This is a major break that hopefully leads to finding Nancy.

HUNT: And, Chief, our John Miller's assessment of this weapon from looking at it, is that it's a semiautomatic handgun. What can you tell us? What do you know about what the demographics of someone who might purchase that gun? Is it easy or not? Easy to track such a firearm to try to figure out where it might have come from?

RAMSEY: I mean, unless it's one of those ghost weapons, which it probably is not. I mean, you know you can get a gun anywhere. I mean, it's not hard to get a gun just about any make and model that you, that you want to get. And so, I personally, I can't tell anything just from that alone.

The position of the gun would kind of indicate one or two things, but again, I wouldn't lock in too much on that sort of thing. There are a lot of clues in this particular video here, and I think it was Josh that mentioned it, it might have been Jake.

You know, if you had done surveillance on this before, you would be more prepared to be able to deal with the fact that there's a doorbell camera. In fact, I would argue that in today's age, most people have doorbell cameras and so you'd have something that you'd bring with you just in case. Instead of grabbing, you know foliage from the front lawn to put it in front to hopefully conceal your identity I mean, you know that's not really too well thought out. I'll say it that way.

But this is major. This is major. And I do think its going to allow the police and the FBI to get a few more leads listen, if it was me id double the reward now, just to add a little extra in terms of people, you know, calling in because this is something that could very well lead to the recovery of Nancy and the arrest of this individual.

HUNT: Jake Tapper, what are you looking for as you continue to cover this story on the ground? And, of course, as the public continues to wonder about Nancy Guthrie, where she may be, how she may be doing.

TAPPER: Well, I mean, I think first of all, that the fact that there is hope for the Guthrie family, for Nancy Guthrie brings, a well needed shot of adrenaline to this story for law enforcement, for the public's engagement. And I think that's a -- that's a great development.

The fact that Savannah used her communication skills to enlist the help of the public yesterday.

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Obviously, she has so many millions of fans and supporters out there, that obviously was a huge break. And I think right now, we're just waiting for today's revelatory news and yesterdays request by Savannah and then followed by the FBI and Pima County to bring the break that this case needs.

And look, it's a sad story. It's a tragic story. It's an awful story. And you wonder about the kind of person that would -- that would take an 84-year-old woman from her home in the middle of the night. But beyond that, it does seem as though there is potentially a resolution to this story that does not have to be horrific. And so, we're all just waiting for those tips to start coming in.

This is, again, something that the public can really help with. As you heard, Chief Ramsey saying, this is something that the public has proven to have really helped with some really important and horrific stories in the last few years. And it's great news that the FBI and the private companies were able to get this -- able to recover this previously thought to be damaged, corrupted footage. And we'll see what happens.

HUNT: We will indeed, the optimism that we could end up somewhere in a better place because we now have so much more to go on really, really hopeful today.

Thank you all very much for being with us. And, Jake, of course, is going to anchor the lead live from Tucson. He will be back at the top of the hour. Jake, thank you for kicking us off here.

Coming up in THE ARENA, more of our breaking news coverage. We're going to talk with a longtime hostage negotiator, and we'll talk to Ed Lavandera, who has been on the ground throughout this story in Tucson.

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HUNT: All right. Welcome back. This is a live picture out of Tucson. This is the neighborhood where

Annie Guthrie lives. She's one of Nancy Guthrie's children. We are now seeing a law enforcement presence on the scene in that neighborhood.

I want to bring in CNN's Ed Lavandera. He's outside Nancy's home in Tucson, Arizona. We're also joined by former FBI assistant director Frank Figliuzzi and hostage negotiator and retired Navy SEAL commander Dan O'Shea.

Thank you all for being here.

Ed, I do want to start with you though. Can you walk us through what's happening in Tucson, what you're seeing there?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, from what we understand from some colleagues that are over there in that neighborhood, there are sheriffs deputies canvasing the area and the homes around where Annie Guthrie lives, which is about a 15 to 20- minute drive from where we are here where Nancy Guthrie lives.

Remember, this is the neighborhood, the home where Nancy Guthrie had spent Saturday evening having dinner with family. They were playing card games, and it was from there that a family member drove Nancy Guthrie back to her home over here. So, clearly, that neighborhood and the home obviously being one of the last places that Nancy Guthrie was seen alive is of clear value and importance to investigators.

We were there a few nights ago over the weekend, I believe it was Saturday night. There were sheriff's deputies who spent several hours inside the Guthrie home doing investigative work. That was the night that we saw one of the investigators coming out wearing the latex gloves. We saw another one, another officer carrying some sort of bag and putting it in the back of one of the unmarked vehicles that was there that night.

But this is a neighborhood that has been probably secondary in terms of the amount of attention has gotten compared to what this neighborhood has been getting, because this was the very last spot Nancy Guthrie was seen alive but the fact that this work is, is going on rather significant. It's hard to know for sure exactly what they're looking for or what brought them there today.

They have been -- investigators have been telling us, Kasie, that there that all of this kind of work would be continuing. So, it's not unsurprising, but definitely something that we will continue to monitor here this afternoon.

HUNT: Yeah. Of course, Frank Figliuzzi, what should we read into this law enforcement presence in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood? I mean, anything?

FRANK FIGLIUZZI, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: Yeah, it's quite possible that they've got some new developments. I -- you know, yesterday, we talked about well, a lot of this seemed to be out of an abundance of caution just dotting the I's, crossing the T's. But here we go again. They're back there. And it could be that the images that have come off of the Nest camera

have given them something else to look for, or other questions to ask people about. And let's hope that that's true, because that's a very positive development. If so, I'm also struck by the way, Kasie, of the role of technology in this case.

We've been talking kind of negatively about technology. Oh my gosh, you know, you can't trace these emails. They're anonymized. Oh, they're asking for the bitcoin in a digital wallet that's difficult to trace.

And here we are today talking about technology from a very positive standpoint. We now have significant evidence in this case because of the role of technology. And now good old-fashioned detective work could get this case solved because they're going to exploit every item of clothing that this person is wearing. They're going to track where it was made, manufactured sold from his feet to his ski mask. And agents and officers just lived for that moment when they can get out there and track something down.

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HUNT: Dan O'Shea, the images that the FBI released today, you have all this experience as a hostage negotiator. I mean, when you see this video, does it make you think that it's more likely to be a hostage situation, or is it more likely to be something else?

DAN O'SHEA, NAVY SEAL COMMANDER (RET.): Well, it's evident that gentleman came prepared to do violence, right? He had the backpack. We don't know what's in that backpack. And we speculate, but he had the black gloves on, he had the gun and the ski mask. He was of evil intent.

So this is -- again, this is what it was in Iraq. We had to -- we had to do the find, fix finish piece on what the bad guys were. Now the challenge is the rescue situation if it comes to that. And so, we know that he had a propensity for violence. There was blood on the -- on the doorway as Ms. Guthrie was presumably taken out of the house, he was there for 40 odd minutes, did not take her medication.

So that's what I'm concerned about, that in a hostage scenario, the hostage themselves, that's the that is the collateral that the hostage takers have. And the fact that they didn't go straight to the family which is traditional to do the negotiation. So I'm still concerned about what was the actual intent of these individuals. Were they paid to do this and who would be behind it? And if it wasn't a kidnapping, or was it something worse?

So I still think we have a long way to go until we figure that out but this video release and the pictures its going to be a game changer in the investigation. Let's hope someone out there will recognize the clothing, the individual, the walk, the gait, the backpack. The ski mask.

And someone -- people need to call in. And hopefully, lets break this case open and bring Ms. Guthrie home to the family. HUNT: Indeed.

And, Frank, one thing that stands out here in this video is just how calm the person seems to be. They don't seem to be looking over their shoulder to see if they've been spotted. How do you interpret this person's demeanor?

FIGLIUZZI: Yeah, Kasie, I also noticed that this is not someone who appears to be nervous or panicking, even when he seems somewhat surprised by the doorbell camera and has to kind of improvise and grab some shrubs to try and cover it.

That tells me, as prepared as he was, you know, he's got the gun, he's got the backpack. He's covered from head to toe. He's got the gloves. He either forgot, you know, there's a -- there's some amateurish nature here. He either forgot about the camera if he had cased the place or someone had told him and forgot it.

There's something about this that is sloppy and sloppiness is good for law enforcement. But we can tell from this whether or not he's left handed or right handed, he seems to favor his left hand. All of that's tremendously helpful.

But I think this is someone who may have acted out of some other motive. And all of this talk of ransom is after the fact or entirely someone else.

HUNT: Ed Lavandera, what are you hearing from authorities about? You know, when you look at this video, you see that? I mean, he has to have known that he was captured on camera, right? And then he goes out of his way to cover up the camera after the fact. That might suggest that he was concerned about what the camera would see on his way out.

LAVANDERA: Yeah. We should also point out, too, that that camera that captured all of this is not in the -- as far as we've been told, investigators do not have the camera was taken and they do not have it. We've also, in our reporting have also learned that there are other cameras on the property as well.

So, it will be interesting to see if those other cameras might have captured something as well. And whether or not that's also being recovered, the way this has been recovered, presumably all of that would have started at the exact same time.

But there is a scenario where -- and I believe those cameras might be one of -- one of them might be inside. They've been very -- we wouldn't tell us exactly where all these cameras have been, but presumably there might be even more. That is, being in is in the process of being processed and dug up. The way they've done this technologically with this camera.

So that seems like it could possibly be significant. Maybe it's something they already have we just don't know about.

HUNT: Ed Lavandera, Frank Figliuzzi, Dan O'Shea, thank you all so much for spending some time with us today on this story. And of course, anyone with information about Nancy Guthrie's disappearance is encouraged to contact the Pima County Sheriff's Department. You can reach them at 520-351-4900, or the FBI's tip line 1-800-CALL-FBI.

All right. Coming up, just how did investigators recover these images? New details on what Google is saying and the role that technology is playing in this case.

But first, today's other big story. Congressman Ro Khanna will be here with us live as the White House is asked today about a new document that raises questions about what the president may have known about Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and when he knew it

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KAROLINE LEAVITT, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: It was a phone call that may or may not have happened in 2006. I don't know the answer to that question. What I'm telling you is that what president Trump has always said is that he kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of his Mar-a-Lago Club because Jeffrey Epstein was a creep, and that remains true.

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REPORTER: Karoline, did he call the chief?

LEAVITT: Well, it was a phone call that may or may not have happened in 2006. I don't know the answer to that question. What I'm telling you is that what President Trump has always said is that he kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of his Mar-a-Lago Club because Jeffrey Epstein was a creep and that remains true. And this call, if it did happen, corroborates exactly what President Trump has said from the beginning.

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HUNT: The White House this afternoon declining to say whether President Trump once had a call with the Palm Beach Police Department in the mid-2000s about Jeffrey Epstein. According to a newly released document Donald Trump called law enforcement shortly after the investigation into Epstein became public to express his gratitude.

Quote, "Thank goodness you're stopping him," Trump said, according to the document. Quote, "Everyone has known he has been doing this," end quote.

"The Miami Herald" identified Michael Ryder, the Palm Beach police chief at the time as the man that Trump spoke with. The document, which is a record of the FBI's 2019 interview with Ryder, reads that Trump, quote, was around Epstein once when teenagers were present and that Trump, quote got the hell out of there. The document is now reigniting questions about what Trump knew about

Epstein's crimes and when.

Joining me now is Democratic congresswoman from California, Ro Khanna. He sits on the House Oversight Committee and was able to review some of the unredacted Epstein files yesterday.

And, of course, Congressman, you along with Republican Thomas Massie, have been leading this charge to get these documents out into the public view.

Let's just start with this supposed phone call between the police chief and Trump. I mean, does it line up with what you thought you knew about Donald Trump's relationship with Epstein?

REP. RO KHANNA (D-CA): We just have a lot of unanswered questions I mean, the call itself doesn't seem problematic if on its face he called and he said, I'm glad that you are doing something about Epstein. The question, though, is why then did this continue, this kind of abuse for so long? What -- why didn't he make those calls earlier? Did he make those calls earlier? What does President Trump know about other rich and powerful people who were raping these underage girls, or showing up at the island?

And he needs to answer a lot of questions, just like President Clinton will be in a couple of weeks.

HUNT: Congressman, can you take us inside the room where you're looking at these unredacted files? I mean, are you able to just, I don't know, hit control F on the keyboard to look for a name? I mean, how do you -- how do you find what you're looking for?

KHANNA: Well, it's sad that members of Congress are having to do this. You know, it reminds me of when I was a first-year lawyer doing document review. It's a cubicle there are four computers and then we sit there we have the document. We have a bates number we put in the bates number. Now to the department of justice's credit. The people there are very polite, they're very welcoming. They want to try to help.

But we only have one or two hours to do this for three million files. And in those two hours, Thomas Massie and I found six men whose names had been redacted. That shouldn't have been redacted, that were named as coconspirators. I went on the house floor and read those names and now the Department of Justice has released the names.

But the broader point is that there are still too many people in the FBI files that were redacted in the three million files that were redacted by justice, that are being protected. The American people deserve to know who the rich and powerful people were, who were on the Epstein island and either raped these underage girls or saw them being paraded naked.

HUNT: Why -- and let me back up for a second. You have said publicly that the FBI redacted files back earlier this year, when this first became a thing and that they sent files with redactions to the Department of Justice, and that those redactions essentially remain. You are not looking at a version of the documents that does not have the FBIs redactions in it. Why is the FBI protecting the people in those redactions?

KHANNA: That's the big question. Those FBI files are the main files. Why is that? Because the survivors have told me that they were interviewed by FBI agents. They have said that they named the specific people who raped them or were part of the sex trafficking in those interviews.

Those documents have been redacted. They were scrubbed in March by Trump's FBI. And when I went in to justice yesterday, the first thing I wanted to do was see the unredacted versions of these documents. And what I got was the same redacted version.

And the person at justice was very polite. He said, well, that's how we got the documents. So, they are protecting these people in those FBI files. It's a violation of the Epstein transparency act that I authored and that Congressman Massie coauthored. And what the director of the FBI needs to do is come before Congress and explain when we're going to get the scrubbed files and why these files remain redacted.

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HUNT: Are you planning on going back to spend more time with these files?

KHANNA: I will, but, you know, that's like looking for a needle in a haystack. I mean going for one-hour slots. Maybe we get a few more names.

The real thing that we need is for those FBI files to be unredacted and for them to be public. They've released almost half the files. They -- it wasn't a cosmetic release. It was a real release of emails.

It's implicated some of the most powerful people in our country, in tech, in finance and real estate.

People are saying, who is this Epstein class? How did so many people end up going to Epstein's island? What were they doing there?

And now, the American people are not going to rest until we have accountability. And the only way we're going to have that accountability is investigations, and getting that FBI information, those files to be public.

HUNT: Congressman, one of the new names that has come out in the wake of your and others viewing these files is the commerce secretary, Howard Lutnick, who admitted to visiting Epstein's island back in 2012 with his wife and children, as well as with nannies. The oversight chairman, Comer, is not ruled out a subpoena for him. Do you expect that to happen? Is there Republican support for that?

KHANNA: I do. There are a number of Republicans who support that, but he needs to resign. Look, this is not political. I would call on someone to resign if this came out in a Democratic administration. You have King Charles calling for the potential prosecution of his

brother. You have the Norwegian princess being said she can't become queen. You have Eastern European countries opening up investigations by someone, anyone who actually corresponded with Epstein.

And here you have the secretary of commerce, Howard Lutnick, who lied to the American people about his relationship with Epstein, who allegedly met Epstein on the island with his family, who allegedly has business ventures with Epstein, knowing that Epstein was a pedophile.

And the question for the United States of America is, are we just going to turn a blind eye? Are we going to say, if you're rich and powerful, it's fine, you can deal with a sex trafficker who was raping underage girls, and we don't care? Or is there going to be some accountability in America like there is in so many other countries?

HUNT: So, speaking of accountability, Congressman Tim Burchett, Republican colleague of yours, is out there saying that he thinks a lot of congressmen should probably be in jail. The truth is, we're not going to, he went on to say.

Were there any members of Congress whose names you saw in the files? Do you concur with his assessment?

KHANNA: I didn't see any. I have not seen any. You know, I leave that to Congressman Burchett if he saw documents, but certainly I have not seen documents when members of Congress in them, Republican or Democrat. And if there were, I would be transparent about it.

HUNT: Would you be surprised to discover that there were?

KHANNA: I would be surprised if they were sitting current members of Congress who were in the files. But -- you know, I -- that's why we should release all these files. It's not just to get to the truth of the matter. It's also so that people aren't just speculating and there's not a witch hunt.

I mean, look there's some people who are mentioned in the files who didn't do something that was nefarious. Someone's life shouldn't be destroyed just because they're mentioned in the files.

But what I want to do is get to the bottom of the folks who went to the island, who said they were going to the island, or the new Mexico ranch or the home, and were there where they knew underage girls were being paraded naked at parties and underage girls were being raped. And when they were find taking money from Epstein or being friends with Epstein, even knowing that he was a convicted pedophile. I mean something is deeply wrong in our country if we're not willing to hold people like that accountable.

HUNT: Indeed. California Congressman Ro Khanna, thanks very much for your time, sir I appreciate it.

KHANNA: Thank you. Appreciate it.

HUNT: All right. Coming up next here in THE ARENA, we've got new reporting just coming in on who helped the FBI recover the images that the FBI put out today in their search for Nancy Guthrie.

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HUNT: Welcome back.

Ten days after Nancy Guthrie was taken from her home, authorities have released the first videos that we have from that night this surveillance camera footage from outside Nancy Guthrie's front door shows this masked and armed individual. A person familiar with the process telling CNN it was Google's software engineers working alongside the FBI who recovered this footage from Guthrie's Nest video doorbell.

I want to bring in former senior FBI profiler and special agent, Mary Ellen O'Toole. We're also joined by CNN correspondent Hadas Gold.

And, Hadas, let me start with you just on this new reporting that we have, the family reportedly didn't have a subscription for the doorbell camera, which meant there was no backup. How was this footage recovered?

HADAS GOLD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. So, the -- so initially when we heard that there was this doorbell camera authorities said that Nancy Guthrie did not have this active Nest cloud subscription. So, none of the footage could have been recovered immediately. And the camera itself was removed or damaged.

Now, we have not heard from Google yet. They have not yet commented publicly on what happened. Kash Patel did say that the video was recovered from residual data located in back end systems.

So, what happens with all of these cameras? They are all connected to a cloud. Even if you don't have a subscription to Nest, or you're paying a monthly fee to save all of your videos on the cloud, Nest will still store something like three hours of video that you can go back and watch.

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So that data does go somewhere, and where that goes is in Google's many, many data centers all around the world.

And so, what could have happened? I've been speaking to forensics experts on this. They say that this data could have been deleted as it's supposed to, but what happens on a lot of things like hard drives is even when you click or you say this should be deleted, it doesn't actually officially disappear until it is overwritten by something else. So, it is possible that although this was sent to be deleted, that the video footage was able to be recovered because just maybe by luck or by happenstance, this had not yet been overwritten by something else.

There's a few other possibilities that could have occurred as to why this video footage was able to be recovered. We wont know yet until Google comes back and reports on this. NBC had also previously reported that Google put their top engineers on this to try to solve this and when I've been speaking to forensic experts, they said this is atypical behavior because they said usually Google is so careful about privacy, its very hard to get them to go and do this sort of work. Also, because it's incredibly hard to go and find this information.

We have seen forensics in previous experiences. Other tech companies. When you think back to Facebook and Cambridge Analytica, where it took them months to find information that they may have previously said that they couldn't find, and then they're able to find it through digital forensics. And I've heard from people in this space who work in this world who say it is miraculous that they were able to find this and that this was a huge and heavy lift on behalf of Google and on behalf of these investigators to be able to get this video and recover it.

HUNT: Pretty remarkable.

All right. Hadas Gold, thank you very much for that reporting.

And, Mary Ellen, I would like to walk through this video with you just to get a sense of what you see as someone who obviously has spent a career in and around this field trying to understand people like this. I mean, what do you see in this person when you see this video?

MARY ELLEN O'TOOLE, FORMER SENIOR FBI PROFILER & SPECIAL AGENT: Several things really jump out. And first, I'll say that the person's behavior as they're standing on, I'll call it a porch. They're standing on the porch.

They seem to be fairly, fairly relaxed, really relaxed. They walk around. They don't appear to be nervous. They're not looking over their shoulder.

They move slowly. They seem comfortable. They're not appearing to be jittery, keeping in mind now they're just about ready to go into a home where a kidnaping occurs and they cause it. But they seem very cool, calm and collected.

Number two, it seems that the offender wore a special outfit to the kidnaping that night clothing that it seems some of it appeared to be new just based on the video but clothing that fit together, it wasn't cobbled together like an old sweatshirt. And you know old boots and then something else. It wasn't a mishmash of stuff.

It was -- it were included items that seemed to come together, which I think is very interesting because if someone close to this offender sees that clothing and observes it, they may have even observed what I call a dress rehearsal of the person beforehand. They will then, I think feel very confident that the person that they're living with, a person that they're friends with, is actually the one that's responsible for the kidnaping.

So, it's a combination of the behavior and the clothing that I think is really quite interesting. HUNT: Indeed. And what would you say? I mean, based on those things and based on what you've seen before is, is this in your view, a situation where this person intended to come into this home and take a person away? Did they intend to rob the home and something else happened? I mean, what do you see in a -- in a potential plan here, if anything at all?

HUNT: So, when somebody goes into the home of what we call a low risk victim, this is somebody that should never become the victim of a violent crime in the middle of the night. So, he, the offender had a choice. He could go into the home when there was no likely no one there. If all he wanted to do was to rob, go in.

When you saw the car leave or drive by a few times, get an idea of what of what the habits were and go in when the when they thought the person wasn't there, but they didn't. They waited for the middle of the night when it's likely the person was in bed, and that's when they chose to go in.

So that for me, takes away the idea that this was a bungled burglary. In other words, I just want to steal your things and I'm hoping you're not home sleeping in your bed when you should be. So, to me, that suggests somebody that knew when they went in there that they were going to complete a kidnaping.

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The other part just doesn't make any sense to me. And when it comes to kidnappings, I've seen a lot of kidnaping cases and not necessarily for ransom. They could be part of another series. It suggests to me that the person has experience going into other people's homes, has experience going into office buildings at a time of the night when they shouldn't be. In other words, they have burglary experience.

HUNT: All right. Mary Ellen O'Toole, very interesting. Thank you very much for your time. Really appreciate it.

All right. We'll be right back.

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HUNT: Thanks very much for watching.

Don't go anywhere. Jake Tapper is standing by for "THE LEAD" in Tucson, Arizona. As we continue to cover all this breaking news in the search for Nancy Guthrie -- Jake.