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ICE's Chicago Raid, Black Hawks, Flash Bangs, Kids In Zip Ties; Arrest Of MAGA Influencer Prompts Feds To Threaten Portland; Hamas Accepts Trump's Peace Plan But With Conditions; Mass Firings Feared After Government Shutdown. Aired 10-11p ET
Aired October 03, 2025 - 22:00 ET
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ABBY PHILLIP, CNN HOST (voice over): Tonight, the arrest of a MAGA influencer in a blue city becomes the administration's red flag to enter.
KAROLINE LEAVITT, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: President Trump will end the radical lefts reign of terror in Portland once and for all.
PHILLIP: Plus, Black Hawks, flash bangs, kids in zip ties, a violent raid at an apartment building in Chicago illustrates the escalation of ICE's tactics in American streets.
Also, Donald Trump may have disappeared from the cameras since the shutdown began.
LEAVITT: He literally works 24/7.
PHILLIP: But his punishments start appearing crystal clear.
And a potential breakthrough in a two-year war, how Hamas is responding to the President's peace deal and deadline.
Live at the table, Van Lathan, Scott Jennings, Alencia Johnson and Brianna Lyman.
Americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other, but here, they do.
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PHILLIP (on camera): Good evening. I'm Abby Philip in New York. We are back in the test kitchen at the Food Network, our sister company, for our Fall Fridays. And we, of course, have a fabulous chef serving our friends of the show. We will catch up with her a little bit later.
But, first, scenes of military might on American streets. We are learning more about the ICE raid on this apartment building in Chicago where federal agents stormed it in the dead of night, Black Hawk helicopters and military-style trucks, flash bangs. Witnesses say, everyone in the building was detained, including U.S. citizens. Others saw children zip tied together and some separated from their parents.
Now, one witness told CNN, I've been on military bases for a good portion of my life, and the activity I saw, it was an invasion.
Now, the administration says it targeted and arrested dozens of gang members as the White House celebrates the operation across the city.
Another scene, witnesses say that masked men threw chemical agents of people from this car. You can see it there. Now, CNN has not been able to verify who exactly they were, but lawmakers say that while it's not clear if they were agents, they were asking about citizenship status and detained multiple people.
Now, also in the administration's crosshairs is Portland, Oregon, once again, after a MAGA influencer was arrested during a scuffle outside of an ICE facility, this is what they had to say.
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LEAVITT: The president has directed Secretary Hegseth to provide all necessary troops to protect war-ravaged Portland and any ICE facilities under siege from attack by Antifa and other left wing domestic terrorists.
KRISTI NOEM, SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY: We're sending in the Department of War at the request that I made to Secretary Hegseth. They're going to be rolling in here within the next 24 hours.
What we saw happen to that journalist last night will not happen again.
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PHILLIP: Now, all of this comes just days after President Trump told the military that he wants American cities to be their training grounds.
And it seems like, Alencia, they're getting ready to carry out that promise. Just to reiterate what you heard Karoline Leavitt say, she described Portland as war-ravaged.
ALENCIA JOHNSON, AUTHOR, FLIP THE TABLES: Yes, you know, it's really frustrating and disgusting to hear the president and those coming out of this administration talking about U.S. cities this way. I remember in 2024, I was senior adviser to Vice President Harris' campaign when folks thought that she was lying when she said that Donald Trump is going to send the military on the American people. And that's exactly what he's doing.
And what she did also say is talking about left wing domestic terrorists. It's a problem when people dissent, right, to this administration. It's a problem when they do. But I know we're going to talk about this when a conservative influencer is all of a sudden arrested. It's a huge issue, and that all of a sudden the police are corrupt, and yet there's no conversation about the police's overreach or the military's overreach in these communities when folks who disagree with this administration bring these claims as well?
PHILLIP: Yes. I mean, how does that work, Scott? I mean, all of a sudden, you know, obviously, journalists shouldn't be arrested, but this is not the first time, even in the last few months that journalists have been arrested at protests.
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And it seems that in this particular instance, he was in a physical altercation with protesters. And so everybody was arrested. So, now, all of a sudden, that's a predicate for bringing the military into Portland?
SCOTT JENNINGS, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, no. The predicate is that Portland has been occupied by Antifa for quite some time. You guys keep calling them protests. These aren't protests. These are violent people. They're attacking law enforcement. They're attacking federal facilities. The president of the United States has every obligation to defend federal facilities and federal personnel there.
I agree with you. It is a disgrace. It's a disgrace that we have an American city that is essentially being occupied by left wing radicals and the locals won't do anything about it. And so now the president --
PHILLIP: That's a total exaggeration of what's happening.
JENNINGS: Yes, it's not an exaggeration. I see the video.
PHILLIP: The situation by local officials has been described as something that's essentially happening in one city block of Portland.
JENNINGS: They are assaulting the ICE facilities. They're assaulting the ICE agents.
PHILLIP: Portland is a city, and it's not a perfect city, but it is a city. And something occurring in one city block is suddenly Portland is War Avenue?
JENNINGS: Do you dispute that they've attacked the ICE facility?
PHILLIP: I didn't say anything about that. I said that it's happening in one block of the city. So, does that constitute Portland being a war-ravaged city?
JENNINGS: I think what's happened in Portland is a disgrace. Nobody wants to go there. And, yes, parts of the city are ravaged by these protesters and federal officials believe their facilities are under attack.
PHILLIP: Even when there are violent protests, which, by the way, nothing new about violent protests, as you know --
JENNINGS: So, it's not new, so we should let it go?
PHILLIP: When violent protests happen, law enforcement has a responsibility to handle it. But would you describe an entire city as war-ravaged when they're protests, even if they're violent, that's happening outside of a single building?
JENNINGS: Yes, I would say if there are violent protests happening against a federal facility, they are being ravaged. I completely agree with that language.
PHILLIP: Okay. All right.
VAN LATHAN, PODCAST CO-HOST, HIGHER LEARNING: Portland isn't a war- ravaged city. I think political spin is a part of ginning up everything that you need to do to execute whatever agenda that you have. I mean, the president said that he feels like American cities can be training grounds for the military. Anyone who halfway cares about the freedom of the average American, that should have a chilling effect on you that a president would say that. It's so far beyond the pale of what we would've accepted in past decades and times of a norm for a commander-in-chief. It's absurd.
It's interesting here that everybody was arrested and they're honing in on this one guy. The underlying, I guess, lesson that I get from that is kind of the lesson I get from MAGA is that they get to choose which Americans matter in so far as who we should care about gets arrested, who we should care about is treated fairly. And when one of their own gets treated that way, then we have to send in the military.
All of this stuff is part and parcel of what we've been seeing going on. And if we don't have the courage and the actual gumption to stand up to it, it's just going to get worse.
BRIANNA LYMAN, REPORTER, THE FEDERALIST: Well, I would kind of push back on the idea that Donald Trump is, you know, acting unprecedented. I remember when Tim Walz sent the National Guard down the streets in Minnesota telling people to stay inside their houses, I mean, that was militarization, but to the point of who is getting targeted here.
Look, Katie Daviscourt is an independent reporter. She was attacked this week in Portland. She has a huge black eye. Her attacker was not arrested, right? Nick Sortor, according to the video footage that is online, it appears that he was being harassed and targeted by these violent agitators, and they were not held accountable at all for threatening him for seemingly agitating the situation to a degree, and yet he was. And the Portland Police have not come out yet with any kind of information to give us any indication why they made that arrest.
PHILLIP: I want to make sure I'm not confusing incidents, but you're say suggesting that the people that he was in an altercation with were not arrested. They were arrested. They were all arrested, according to the Portland P.D. And, in fact, there were arrests that were made by federal agencies in the same scuffle. The federal police -- or officers made arrests of protesters and anti-protesters who were in altercations. So, the idea that this is Portland P.D. just being, you know, targeting pro-MAGA voices is just not true.
LYMAN: Right. But the larger point of this, and to Scott's earlier point, this has been going on, especially this past week, we have seen violent agitators there and they have not arrested other violent agitators who have thrown things at federal law enforcement, who have attacked a federal building. So, when they do go after Nick Sortor, it makes you wonder. But it makes me wonder what have they been doing all week with these violent agitators.
PHILLIP: I'm trying to understand what you're saying is, because it's not true that they have not been arrested. There have been arrests. There have been many arrests over the last few days. The press releases have been sent out by both the federal officials and by local officials. There have been arrests.
But, I mean, are you -- is it the concern -- is the concern about, you know, police aggression against journalists, because there was a journalist just in the last week who had ICE officials shooting, you know, non-live ammunition at their vehicle when they were in a clearly marked press vehicle, that also happened. I heard nothing about that. I mean, there were journalists arrested in Los Angeles during those protests, nothing about that. I mean, why --
JOHNSON: Well, I mean, I think -- but I think what Van is trying to say and to pull apart some of what you're saying is that it becomes an issue for the right when it is someone that leans towards their ideology versus having the conversation, where you have pointed out, several people have been arrested.
But in this whole conversation about ICE and people protesting, I'm stepping back and thinking about why people are protesting at these ICE facilities, because they are frustrated with what is happening in communities and the inhumane actions at this administration is taking on migrant people.
And so what all of this conversation and all of that's happening in Portland and even in other cities, it's showing the American people that dissent is not really welcome here when you disagree with inhumane practices that --
JENNINGS: And do you believe there's a difference between dissent and protest or violence?
JOHNSON: I do. But I what I'm saying --
JENNINGS: Okay. And do you agree there's been violence in Portland?
LATHAN: Can I ask you guys a question just real quick? Do you guys think that there's a difference between dissent and protest and violence?
JENNINGS: Of course, but what's happening in Portland is violent. It is absolutely violent.
LATHAN: So, can I ask a question? Would you guys be in, in favor of, say, pardoning people who were engaged in violent protests and broke windows and stormed into things and beat up police officers, what would you think about want to hanging the vice president? What would you think about a president that did something like that? JENNINGS: Well, I didn't agree with pardoning, people who committed violent actions.
LATHAN: Okay. So, then what I'm saying is, there you have it. What you have here is a clear blueprint of what we're talking about. You have a double standard in the way that this has looked. On the one hand you have violent people that attack the seat of power in the United States of America. And not only are they pardoned, they are celebrated. They are celebrated.
JENNINGS: They did go to jail though.
LATHAN: And then they are celebrated by your side when you guys get power.
JENNINGS: They did go to jail.
LATHAN: And now we are getting a full-throated lecture on violence and protests when ICE is breaking into people's --
LYMAN: Well, I mean, I would counter that you can't even pull up January 6th, because we can just go about six months before that with the Black Lives Matter riots and how many people were not arrest for their crimes. How many were arrested? Where were the arrests?
JENNINGS: Nobody got arrested.
LATHAN: Like where were the --
LYMAN: Where were the arrests?
PHILLIP: Let's not do the hyperbole thing, okay? Hundreds of people were arrested in the Black Lives Matter protests.
LYMAN: That wasn't nearly enough.
PHILLIP: Many of them were prosecuted federally.
JENNINGS: Billions in damage, billions.
PHILLIP: Hold on a second. Many of them were prosecuted federally. Many of them served time for those offenses. So, that actually happened. Let's not be hyperbolic about it.
Karoline Leavitt also saying that in addition to, I guess, bringing in the troops to Portland, they're going to use the federal government to pull money from the city. Listen to this.
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LEAVITT: I just spoke with the president about this and he has directed his team here at the White House to begin reviewing aid that can potentially be cut in Portland. We will not fund states that allow anarchy. There will also be an additional surge of federal resources to Portland immediately and including enhanced CBP and ICE resources. Law and order will prevail and President Trump will make sure of it. (END VIDEO CLIP)
PHILLIP: You know, one of the interesting things about this is the use of ICE and CBP as the vehicle for their desire to crack down on Democratic-led cities. Now, I mean, obviously there's ICE enforcement that has to happen in the country, but you can hear her saying there that, in her view, the failure to deal with protests outside of a federal building means that they're going to send in more immigration enforcement agents. It just feels like this has just become a way for the administration to use immigration agents as their personal police force, a federal police force, which, by the way, is not the way that they're supposed to be used.
JENNINGS: Well, they are federal law enforcement. And to the extent that you have illegal immigration activity or attacks on ICE facilities in a city, the federal government has to enforce the law and defend their property. This didn't start in Portland a few days ago. This has been going on and on and on for years. Why does a major American city get to exist in a state of anarchy, even if it's not the entire city, even if it's just a block, however big it is? Why does that get to be perpetuated? Why is that okay? Why are we accepting this decline in America?
PHILLIP: I guess, I'm not understanding why all of a sudden this form of anarchy is so different from, say, high crime in, you know, southern cities that are Republican states.
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That doesn't rise to --
JENNINGS: With Democrat mayors?
PHILLIP: Maybe.
JENNINGS: No, definitely.
PHILLIP: Maybe. But I'm just saying, like, listen, we have a federalized -- we have a system in this country where states get to run their own states. All of a sudden, that's not acceptable to you?
JENNINGS: It's not acceptable for local officials to allow anarchy where federal buildings are under attack. And regarding southern cities, they've been in Memphis all week. And, by the way, it's working. They've arrested hundreds of people, illegal guns, people with serious violence in their background. They've made immigration arrests. It's working in Chicago, over a thousand arrests this week. They're not singling out Portland. They're going after any city with massive illegal immigration, local violence and people -- bad people that need to be taken off the streets.
PHILLIP: I mean, I think it is an interesting new moment for the country to have the federal government involved in state and local level law enforcement. And I'm just pointing out that this is where we are as a country, and that's a different place than where we were before. JOHNSON: I mean, it's a place that I didn't think I was actually going to have to be in when we live in the United States. And I think about, you mentioned Chicago, just the scene of children being torn from their homes in the middle of the night because of this overmilitarization of a community and just to think of the trauma and what that's going to do for the next generations to come.
JENNINGS: It's terrible when the children of Tren de Aragua had to be separated from --
JOHNSON: Well, listen, I know the children argument doesn't work for Republicans, because it never has, but I actually had --
PHILLIP: Well, we don't actually know -- first of all, we don't know who those children were. But I imagine that there were other children who were not --
JOHNSON: There were a lot of affiliated with any of them --
PHILLIP: Plenty of kids who were not affiliated with --
LATHAN: Black children, black people who were ripped from their homes and detained with no warrants for hours, traumatized. Detained -- but detained what?
JOHNSON: But detained what?
LYMAN: First of all, detained is not the same as arrest. Second --
JOHNSON: How would you like to be detained sitting outside of your home?
LYMAN: Wait. Why do we go over what standard procedures are? When immigration officials and federal authorities are entering a hostile situation where there are known criminals and known members of a terrorist organization, they have to go in and detain -- yes. Yes. And when you're going in there too --
PHILLIP: I just want to be clear that what you're talking about, because we talked about this at the beginning, children zip tied, okay?
JENNINGS: But the DHS disputes that. They dispute it.
PHILLIP: Hold on a second.
JENNINGS: We talked about this afternoon. I called them, I said point blank, what about this? They said, that did not happen. They did say this.
JOHNSON: Of course they would say that.
PHILLIP: Hold on. What did they say did not happen?
JENNINGS: They said this did not happen that off, but oftentimes and every time, when they go into a situation with violent people, the first thing they do is remove children from a dangerous situation. And they're not in the care of DHS. They immediately go into the care of DHS.
PHILLIP: So, let me just make one note, because we received a statement from them where they talked about how they were separating children who might have been associated with some of the people who were arrested for gang affiliations. But we also don't know if that is -- those are the same children that these witnesses we're talking about.
I mean, the witnesses said that they saw children crying. They looked distraught. They were out there crying. I saw a little girl come around the corner because they were bringing the kids down too, and had them zip tied to each other.
JENNINGS: They dispute it. They dispute it. I'm just telling you.
PHILLIP: I understand that they dispute that. I'm just saying this person was there and this is what they say, so people can make of that what they are.
LATHAN: And just the horrors of what happened to the children is one thing. You also had American citizens, black American citizens that were dragged out of their homes and detained and put through something that they should not have had to go through. And when we are having a conversation about how customary it is to detain someone, I want people to remember the historic implications of that for black people.
LYMAN: Okay. Hold on. Wait, let me ask you honestly. What would be the -- is the alternative to go in there and say, okay, guys, raise your hand if you are an American citizen and we're going to let you out of here? Do you trust people to be honest?
LATHAN: Jesus Christ.
LYMAN: Is that the alternative?
LATHAN: Yes. The alternative is for law enforcement to do their job.
LYMAN: Yes, that's what they're doing.
LATHAN: And make sure that they're detaining the right people.
LYMAN: And how do they determine that?
LATHAN: Absolutely.
LYMAN: They have to see the papers.
LATHAN: Yes. The alternative is for law enforcement to act like a scalpel and not like a hatchet.
PHILLIP: Brianna, one second. When you walk down the street, and let's say hypothetically a law enforcement person came up to you and said, are you a U.S. citizen? What are you going to say?
LYMAN: Well, that's not the question at all.
PHILLIP: No. Let me ask you. If they said that to you, what would you say?
LYMAN: I would say yes.
PHILLIP: Okay. And then they said, I don't believe you. Let me put you in some zip ties.
LYMAN: Yes. But you know what the difference is when they're going into a hostile situation?
PHILLIP: No, hold on a second.
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LATHAN: That's how people live, man.
PHILLIP: Listen, I think that I'm just playing out the scenario.
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LATHAN: They didn't bust a crack house.
LYMAN: But the scenario I'm describing --
PHILLIP: Brianna, you described this scenario in which you say that their only choice is to detain someone, put them -- make them not free to go, take away their freedom for however long so that they can prove -- not to take your word for it, but to prove that they are citizens. And if that happened to you walking down the streets of New York, you would probably file a lawsuit. Would you not?
LYMAN: Abby, you are completely taking what I said out of context. So, I will say it again. When a law in. Enforcement official is going into a situation or an environment in which they know that there are criminal gang members in a confined environment, in an apartment complex --
PHILLIP: We have to go but --
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PHILLIP: Just one second. Just one second. I don't want us to forget that we're talking about an apartment building in the middle of the night where people, many innocent people, many innocent people were sleeping in their beds, going about their lives. They don't have a -- hold on a second. They don't have a choice about who their neighbors are, okay?
LYMAN: Right.
PHILLIP: They live where they live. So --
LYMAN: But how should ICE agents then determine who's who?
PHILLIP: They should know who they're going after and target those people.
LYMAN: So, they should discriminate, they should racial profile?
LATHAN: So, what you guys are, what you guys are essentially saying is that the police should be able to walk up and down the streets of America, pull people to the side and then say, hey, we want to make sure you're not a criminal?
LYMAN: No, what you're going into --
JENNINGS: So, I actually called -- since we had this conversation, I called DHS. I spoke to a senior counselor to the secretary. I spoke to the assistant secretary. I said, how did you come to this apartment building? She said, well, the person who owns the apartment building called us and said, I'm pretty sure Tren de Aragua has set up shop in here. Could you please come? And it turns out they had been in there squatting, not paying any rent.
The owner of the apartment building asked the law enforcement to come in because they knew there was transnational terrorist organization operating there.
LATHAN: Anything that mattered less.
JENNINGS: They're having transnational terrorists around?
JOHNSON: How does that matter for taking children out in the middle of the night and detaining black people who are U.S. citizens?
JENNINGS: Separating children from dangerous transnational gangs?
PHILLIP: Hold on, Scott.
JOHNSON: Terrorizing black and brown children.
PHILLIP: Listen, Scott, people's constitutional rights are their constitutional rights. In this country, you have a right to not be searched without a warrant. In this country, you have a right to your liberty unless you are actually accused of doing something wrong. So, when you are sleeping in your bed and you happen to live somewhere, you have a right to not be detained just for physically being in a -- not even being in the same apartment, but being in the building.
JENNINGS: I think you're overblowing detain.
PHILLIP: It's not overblowing.
JENNINGS: They're not arrested. They're not arrested. They're not arrested. 37 illegal aliens are arrested.
PHILLIP: All right. I know for a fact that neither of you would want to be detained for any amount of time, for not doing anything wrong.
JENNINGS: If I were living under a Tren de Aragua, I think I would want them gone. PHILLIP: (INAUDIBLE) would not want that to happen to you. And you would certainly not want to happen to your children. If your child was detained for any amount of time, you would not want that to happen.
JENNINGS: Also, they check to see if these children are part of human trafficking. That's the other issue that's going on.
PHILLIP: It's a question of empathy. Not -- it's a question of empathy. Would you want it to happen to you, right?
JENNINGS: Do you have any empathy for the victims of Tren de Aragua? I do.
PHILLIP: Of course I do.
JENNINGS: I mean, I agree. It's a question of empathy. We seem to have empathy for the --
PHILLIP: But you don't want to doubly victimize people just living their lives.
LATHAN: I have empathy for the black people in that community that I saw on video talk about how frightened they were, how scared they were, and the trauma that was inflicted on them with something that they have nothing to do with. And here's the reality, it's going to happen all over American cities unless people have the courage to say that this is not the way that we run our country.
LYMAN: It's the courage to say, let the Tren de Aragua stay here, please.
JOHNSON: That's not what anybody said.
LYMAN: That's exactly what the logic followed.
PHILLIP: All right. We're going to have to leave it there.
We have more breaking news tonight about a potential monumental moment in international relations. Hamas says that it has accepted Donald Trump's peace plan, but with some conditions, and now the president is responding to it.
Plus, as the government shutdown intensifies, the United States Treasury says it's planning to mint a dollar coin with Trump's face on it.
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PHILLIP: Could this be a potential breakthrough for the war in Gaza? Hamas now says that it has agreed to immediately enter negotiations for the release of all hostages on President Trump's peace proposal.
Now, Trump unveiled his plan earlier this week, but Hamas stopped short of accepting it unconditionally. In a statement tonight, the militant group made no mention of disarming and destroying its weaponry, which is a key part of the agreement. And it didn't address the creation of an oversight committee led by Trump to supervise the governance of Gaza.
Now, in response, Trump told Israel to stop bombing Gaza and says that he believes that Hamas is ready for a lasting peace.
Joining us now in our fifth seat is Foreign Affairs Analyst Reena Ninan. Reena, in a way, I have to say, I mean, this feels like the best that you might be able to do with Hamas in this moment, because it's hard for me to imagine them saying, yes, we're going to just cease to exist as an entity. I mean, that might need to be the future, but they may not put that on paper, but agreeing to release all the hostages feels like something that is a bit of a movement forward.
REENA NINA, FOREIGN AFFAIRS ANALYST: I think you're absolutely right. This is a moment where you've got so many of the right things lined up.
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First, in the Arab world, there's a -- I'm hearing a great deal of pressure from countries like, you know, Turkey and Qatar, saying to Hamas, you've got to do this and take this deal.
The other thing I think that's working is that Hamas at some point also realizes there aren't a lot of windows of opportunity for this. The Gilad Shalit deal, there was 250 Palestinian prisoners, 1700 Gazans in this situation here. You're waiting for 20 hostages that are living, that we believe are still alive and possibly as many as 30 bodies.
So, I do believe this window of opportunity is real. I do believe the 6 P.M. Sunday deadline is a ticking time bomb if Hamas does not come through with it because I really believe President Trump. I really believe he will unleash Helen Furey if they don't follow through with this.
PHILLIP: Yeah, I mean -- look, I think this has been a gamble from the very beginning but this thing is not going to end overnight. It's going to be in stages. And the first big stage is going to be, are you going to release all the hostages? And can we get the bombs to stop falling? And if President Trump is able to do this, this is a major -- it's a major victory for him.
JOHNSON: Look, it is challenging to actually hear that piece of, you know, Trump being -- potentially being the one to get the ceasefire deal. But I think what we are seeing now is that a lot of people are tired of the devastation that's happening to the Palestinian people. And so how do we figure out a way -- a path forward?
And so, I would be interested to understand President Trump's interest in this because he has said some things that are very harmful to the Palestinian people. I don't know, you know, what his motivations are --
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PHILLIP: I mean, he wants the word end. I mean --
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JENNINGS: He wants the hostages back. That's what he wants.
PHILLIP: He wants the word end for a lot of reasons. Some of them are personal reasons. He wants that Nobel Peace Prize. Some of them are that I do think that whatever you think of Trump, he does not like the idea of all the death and destruction. But here's one more piece to this. The public opinion polling over the last few months has shown a very clear shift away from Israel.
The unfavorable view of Israel is now at 53 percent among U.S adults. And if you break that down by party, it has increased by 10 percent among Republicans and Republican-leaning voters between 2022 and 2025. So, that shift is happening at the same time that Trump is very aware that his base, especially younger Republicans, are getting frustrated not just with Hamas but also with Israel, as well.
JENNINGS: This is not a political issue. Look, President Trump has been clear from the beginning he wants the hostages back. When he took office back in January, they had an initial deal to get some hostages, a few were released, then Hamas reneged on that deal then. He's been clear from the beginning, I just want these people back. The people who are alive, we pray that they're still alive, the remains that exist, it all needs to happen and it needs to happen quickly.
And that's what I'm actually, look I've worn this pin every night just about since October the 7th because the hostages is what I really care about and we seem to be on the brink of maybe the possibility that they get to get out of the Gaza terror tunnels. If that's true, I'll pray for it to be true every minute until it happens.
I want to know how long they're going to give Hamas to keep up this deal. Like Hamas has said, we want to enter into negotiations to talk about release. How long are we going to let that go on? I don't want to be strung along by these terrorists. I want the hostages. That's what the President wants. And I don't want him to give them very much time because they don't deserve it and these people need to come home. We're almost two years into this.
LATHAN: Look, it wouldn't matter to me why peace happened. There are children being blown apart right now as we speak. And there needs to be an input to that. I also think grander and longer with this. I think about peace here. I think about the return of the hostages. I think about an end to the genocide in Gaza.
And I also think about a lasting peace and self-determination for the Palestinian people. And what the vision of their self-determination will be in the coming decades. And how we see a whole and intact people, both in Gaza and in the West Bank, be able to live the life peacefully and equally by their neighbors in the region and how committed the world is to that. I think that's important so that we don't see this same cycle repeatedly. PHILLIP: Reena, do you think that the door is still open to a Gaza in
which Palestinians have self-determination?
NINAN: I think we're a long road from that. You know, that is like well, well further down and it's something people aspire to. What I think is different in this time and you heard in President Trump's statement today, there's pressure on Benjamin Netanyahu -- this go round.
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I think, him -- President Trump coming out saying, you've got to stop the bombing. That's a big movement in a direction that we haven't heard recently from the President. I think he's incredibly serious about both sides. I think he's going to hold both parties' feet to the fire.
But the big sticking point at this moment right now is Israel wants Hamas to get rid of all their weapons. Hamas wants Israel to stop bombing them and we're hearing some rumblings right now at this hour that, potentially, Netanyahu may have agreed to allow the bombing to stop at this moment. But you know, fragile peace is so fragile.
PHILLIP: Brianna, have a word. Go ahead.
LYMAN: I mean, I agree with Scott's sentiment at the end of the day. And to your point, Van, I don't care what the reason for peace is. As long as there is peace, I am happy for both sides of the aisle. This has been going on for far too long. We're coming up on the two-year anniversary and there are still people being held hostage.
Hersh Goldberg Polin's birthday, I believe, was today. He should have been alive today. He should have been released last year. So, I'm looking forward to this. I don't trust Hamas, but I do trust President Trump, to your point, that he's on both sides of the aisle. Both Israel and the Hamas --
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JENNINGS: I think in the region, it's up to the Arab countries here. They've signed on to the President's deal. If Hamas is serious about releasing the hostages, the Arab nations need to hold them to this. I mean, obviously, we know what the President's position is. We know what Israel wants. But the other Arab nations that have said, yes, this is a good framework, they have to put pressure on Hamas not to string this out. And I pray that they do not.
PHILLIP: All right. Reena Ninan, thank you so much for joining us for that conversation. Next for us, there's growing concern inside the White House about who is going to get the blame for the government shutdown that's still ongoing as the Treasury floats their idea of minting a Trump dollar coin.
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[22:41:24] PHILLIP: Tonight, behind closed doors, Republicans in the President's orbit are now questioning his shutdown strategy, saying that the longer it goes on, the worse it is for both sides. Donald Trump has been out of the spotlight since the government closed three days ago, but he's certainly been very active behind the keyboard.
He's been posting memes, taunting his political opponents, and now his Treasury Department is considering a $1 coin featuring him to mark America's 250th birthday. And if that doesn't say lack of urgency, the House has already declared that they're not going to be in session all of next week.
That is pretty extraordinary um that they would leave town with the government closed knowing that people are not getting paid and that they won't get paid until they come back. What's the justification for that?
JENNINGS: Well, wait.
LYMAN: Democrats should pass the Clean C.R.
JENNINGS: Yeah, I mean they already passed the bill. The House tried to keep the government open. The Senate -- they can't make the Senate Democrats do anything. The Senate should be in session and the Republicans should make the Senate vote every single day until the Senate Democrats open the doors and allow for negotiations over spending to occur.
But the House, they did their job. They tried to open the gates. The Democrats in the Senate said no and now, I don't know if the House is kind of sitting around having to wait. I know these members are at home doing work in their districts.
PHILLIP: But what, I mean, but what about negotiation? Is that not an option? Because it has been in past shutdowns which were also, by the way, caused by Republicans, most of those passages.
LYMAN: Again, Republicans did their job here. They passed a clean C.R. It's the same C.R. Democrats voted for 13 times under Biden. So, if there needs to be negotiations, they should pass the clean C.R. and then do the normal process of negotiations that the government stays funded.
JENNINGS: And by the way, I think they will end up negotiating. If the Democrats would open the government, I have no doubt they would end up negotiating this Obamacare subsidy issue. No doubt whatsoever.
PHILLIP: Certainly because the public opinion is pretty clear on that point. Ninety-two percent of Democrats say that they should not expire. Eight-two 82 percent of independents, 59 percent of Republicans, 57 percent of MAGA Republicans. It's pretty popular, the Democrat position. And then on top of that, even though you would think that given what you guys just said that Democrats should be assigned the blame, voters are not assigning them the blame by and large in the polling. "Washington Post" and P.R., Maris, they both have Republicans
according to the American people responsible. And in the "New York Times"-Sienna poll, both sides equally.
LYMAN: Yeah, but that's the same rhetoric. You know, in 2013, "Washington Post", "ABC" had a poll. Fifty-three percent of Americans blamed Republicans for the shutdown. They said it was going to be tank the --
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PHILLIP: Yeah, yeah, but that's actually the opposite scenario. In that case, Republicans were actually the ones holding out the votes. In this case, Democrats are in the position that Republicans were in then, but they're not being assigned the blame. That's the point that --
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LYMAN: Right, right. But either way, the blame is still being assigned right now. It's being assigned bipartisanly. In the past, it was assigned to Republicans. At the end of the day --
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LATHAN: I think what the Democrats have been able to sell is that this is a fight for healthcare for Americans.
LYMAN: But how -- after you pass a clean C.R. to keep people get to keep paychecks coming?
LATHAN: I think what those numbers are saying is that the American people think that their healthcare and the cost of their affordable healthcare is worth the fight.
LYMAN: It's kind of not affordable.
LATHAN: And I think what people should do is take note at it. I want to talk about the coin real quick. That the Trump face coin thing, that's very interesting to me. Are you all familiar with the term called glazing? Do you all know what that means? You know -- have you heard the term glazing?
LYMAN: No.
JENNINGS: Like a donut?
LATHAN: No. Well, actually, not like a donut.
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It's glazing. It's like, I wonder, glazing, do you all -- do Republicans, do you ever get tired of glazing Trump?
LYMAN: Wait, what does glazing mean?
LATHAN: You don't know what glazing is?
LYMAN: I need a working definition.
LATHAN: Oh, you could probably look that up and say, but like, it's like glazing Trump, like making a coin form and just --
LYMAN: I think that coin's awesome.
LATHAN: The -- see? Glazing.
LYMAN: Absolutely. It's awesome.
LATHAN: Dear Leader, dear leader.
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JOHNSON: That is also so unserious. It's so unserious.
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LYMAN: It's a memoriam.
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LATHAN: I this was the party of the Wrangler Man.
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JOHNSON: They are and it's so unserious when Americans are talking about they want affordable health care. And the fact you said, well the health care is not affordable, right, the Republicans plan is going to make it even more --
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LYMAN: No, Obamacare made it unaffordable.
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JOHNSON: No. It's going to make it even more --
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LYMAN: He told us premiums were going to go down. They only got up.
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JENNINGS: We are talking about the Affordable Care.
JOHNSON: Hold on. But the reality is Chuck Schumer got a whole lot of plaque for actually voting with Republicans to make sure the government stayed open because he said that they would negotiate. They did not. So now, we're in the same position and Democrats have no faith in Republicans to actually help Republicans who have both chambers to say we will let you keep the government open because you said you're going to negotiate with us when they're not going to do that.
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JENNINGS: I think we should leave it closed --
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PHILLIP: One of the fascinating things about this is that the American people are kind of shrugging off this shutdown for now. Maybe it's because they've gotten used to a lot of shutdowns. A lot of shutdowns of Republicans did, in fact, cause just like Democrats are causing this one.
But maybe it's also because they fundamentally want Democrats to succeed in terms of underlying policy on this shutdown. So, you know, we'll see how this goes. But I mean, honestly, it does not look good for the government to reopen anytime --
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JENNINGS: We're not going to -- we're not cave on the Medicaid. We're not caving in on the illegal --
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PHILLIP: Ahead for us, we have more breaking news tonight. Sean Diddy Combs learns his fate after making one last emotional plea to the judge. Stay right here. We'll be right back.
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PHILLIP: I'm in the Food Network Test Kitchen ahead of "Tony Shalhoub Breaking Bread", a new CNN original series. And of course, I'm here with Tony Shalhoub himself and also Chef Camari Mick. We are going to explain to you how to keep your sourdough starter alive. It is a living thing.
CAMARI MICK, EXECUTIVE PASTRY CHEF: Living being.
PHILLIP: So Chef Mick, take it away.
MICK: So, here we have our very peak ready sourdough starter. We're going to feed it and then we're going to retard it.
TONY SHALHOUB, "BREAKING BREAD" HOST: I actually decided that in my next life, I'm going to come back as sourdough starter --
PHILLIP: They live a really charmed life.
SHALHOUB: -- have people feeding me.
MICK: Yes. So, for this sourdough starter, we're going to do equal parts starter, water, and flour.
PHILLIP: Bread is such a communal activity. I mean, what drew you to this subject?
SHALHOUB: For me, bread is really, it's kind of about memory. When I was a child and I watched my grandmother and my mother and my old aunties making Lebanese bread, Syrian bread, flat bread, and how it became, the bread actually became a vehicle for not just other foods, but for conversations, for gathering. It's that thing that everyone, you know, literally breaks together and shares together.
MICK: Yeah.
PHILLIP: When you were in Marseille with your daughter, you guys were doing the sort of classic French baguette. There was such precision to making sure that that baguette came out. What was that like for you?
SHALHOUB: For me, it was great because I tend to have that sort of monk-like, you know, control freak thing happening all the time. And so I want to -- I'm just always sort of shooting for that perfect thing, never quite getting it, but always shooting for --
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PHILLIP: Do you feel like you got it at the end?
SHALHOUB: Yeah, I actually felt like with enough practice, I can get there.
PHILLIP: So, this is a fed starter.
MICK: What does it even mean to feed a starter? Why would you even do that?
MICK: Your yeast is alive, so it's going to continue to eat natural sugars within the dough and it's going to continue to grow. So, in order to keep it alive, we have to feed it.
PHILLIP: And you have this rubber band on here because that tells you okay that's where it started when it's been fed.
SHALHOUB: Yeah.
MICK: We're going to see it double in size, maybe even triple in size. We can't say it's going to take an hour. We can't say it's going to take a day. We just know where it began and that's where we can tell where it's going to go.
PHILLIP: Yeah, and the smell of a sourdough starter is --
SHALHOUB: Very, very big hit.
PHILLIP: So great.
MICK: So, this has been sitting for over 24 hours which is a general -- (CROSSTALK)
PHILLIP: Oh, that's a long time.
MICK: -- good amount of time for a sourdough starter. And it's slowly grown, and we have all of these beautiful bubbles inside.
PHILLIP: And once you've fed it, how do you keep it alive?
MICK: Constantly keeping your eye on it, feeding it. If you're not going to use it every day or if you're going to go on vacation, you can keep it in the fridge and I suggest feeding it once a week.
PHILLIP: It's actually easier than it looks, right?
MICK: Yes. Honestly, the best part about it is naming it. So I feel like we need a name.
PHILLIP: I'm going to make her a girl. It's a --
SHALHOUB: Oh, absolutely.
PHILLIP: She's a girl.
SHALHOUB: What's your daughter's name?
PHILLIP: Naomi.
SHALHOUB: Love it.
MICK: Naomi.
PHILLIP: There you go. Naomi.
SHALHOUB: That looks like --
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PHILLIP (voice-over): You can catch more of Tony and Chef Camari Mick on the brand new CNN original series, "Tony Shalhoub Breaking Bread". It premieres this Sunday at 9 P.M. on CNN and trust me, it is delicious.
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PHILLIP: We are back and we're here with Chef Ginevra Iverson, the executive chef at The Food Network. So, tell us about this really delicious dish we've been diving in in the break.
GINEVRA IVERSON, EXECUTIVE CHEF, "THE FOOD NETWORK": Yes, as I mentioned, we leaned hard into fall. We're now "Fall Fridays" instead of "Summer Fridays". So, it's a pork loin bone-in. We roast it really slowly and it has a cider sauce with a little bit of whole grain mustard, some roasted apples, onions, carrots, and then just simple, our best Food Network's best mashed potatoes.
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We think they're pretty good. So, yeah.
PHILLIP: Yeah, Brianna and I were saying the apples are like a whole dish unto themselves in here. It's so incredibly good. And also it is the season, it's cooling off here in New York. I don't know where you all are watching from, but it's finally cool enough to go apple picking. So, go do that with your family this weekend. And scan that Q.R. code on the screen for the Roast Pork Loin with Apples recipe.
Thank you so much for watching "NewsNight". Catch our roundtable show, "Table for Five", tomorrow morning. And "Laura Coates Live" starts right now.
