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Trump: I'm Allowed to Epstein's Associate a Pardon; Shooting at Reno Casino Leaves 2 Dead, At Least 3 Injured; Deion Sanders Reveals Bladder Cancer Battle, Says He's Now Cancer-Free; Manhunt in Arkansas After Couple Killed Hiking with Their 2 Kids. Aired 2:30-3p ET
Aired July 28, 2025 - 14:30 ET
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ANDREW EGGER, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, THE BULWARK: ... I think that they are hoping, and not without reason, that those sorts of narrative shifts may be able to fix this up as far as that problem with his base is concerned.
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN HOST: What incentive would Trump have for pardoning her if a lot of folks out there may see that as a way to get her to comply with his version of events, if you're looking at this from a conspiratorially-minded view?
EGGER: Yes, well, one thing is that, I mean, you're essentially asking wouldn't he be a little bit ashamed to do that, and maybe the answer is just no. But the other question is just, are we getting ahead of ourselves a little bit? I mean, it's still all very hypothetical.
The president is not ruling it out. Obviously, congressional allies like Mike Johnson today are also saying they don't want to say the president shouldn't pardon this woman. So there's all kinds of questions about why that would be the case.
But I think right now we're still in one of those, like, gray area, limbo-type places that Donald Trump loves to be in because they give him so much room to maneuver, right? And so, you know, as long as it is sort of bouncing around in Ghislaine Maxwell's head, I wonder if I might be able to get a pardon out of this.
Or in her lawyer, I mean, she's appealing it to the Supreme Court, as you mentioned, but not just to the Supreme Court. Her lawyer, David Marcus, just today --
SANCHEZ: Specifically to Trump.
EGGER: Yes, he called the -- He praised Trump's affinity for the art of the deal, and he explicitly said, we're appealing to the Supreme Court, but we're appealing to President Trump as well. And so, you know, I think for Donald Trump, any, like, small amount of kind of leverage that he has over Ghislaine's, you know, possible testimony, again, as she's talking to his own former personal lawyer, who's now working at the Department of Justice, is all upside in his book.
SANCHEZ: Andrew Egger, appreciate the analysis. EGGER: Thank you.
SANCHEZ: Thanks so much for being with us.
So next on CNN NEWS CENTRAL, we're following breaking news out of Reno, Nevada, where at least two people were killed after a shooting at a casino. We have the very latest in just moments.
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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN HOST: Now to more on our breaking news out of Reno, Nevada. Officials say a gunman opened fire outside of the Grand Sierra Resort and Casino early this morning, killing two people and injuring at least three others. The suspect now in custody.
Let's go to CNN security correspondent Josh Campbell. Josh, what are you learning about this?
JOSH CAMPBELL, CNN SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Brianna, an active homicide investigation continues. Police are asking people to stay away from this area outside the Grand Sierra Resort and Casino after a man opened fire on people early this morning. Multiple Nevada law enforcement agencies responding.
The Reno police chief gave an update just a short time ago on the investigation. Have a listen.
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CHIEF KATHRYN NANCE, RENO POLICE: We received the call at about 725 this morning of an active shooter at the GSR. Our officers responded and were on scene within minutes. Within between four and five minutes, we had the shooter located and an officer-involved shooting had occurred.
Officers then located several victims of gunshot wounds and other injured parties that they began providing first aid and medical treatment to.
And there was no information provided as to why this happened, just that there was an active shooter in this area that we responded to.
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CAMPBELL: Now, sadly, two people did die. At least three were injured. Police are saying at least because the police chief said several people who were there self-transported themselves to a nearby hospital.
So we're still working to determine what the full extent of injuries are, the status of those victims. We know the suspect now in custody, also taken to hospital. Police chief said that some officers also received minor injuries, but not from gunshot wounds. And so, again, a lot happening there this morning. As far as a motive, that remains under investigation. A law
enforcement source told our colleague John Miller that the suspect was seen pacing outside the front of that casino for about 45 minutes before gunfire erupted. So police trying to get to the motive why he did this -- Brianna.
KEILAR: Yes, horrible. Josh Campbell, thank you for that.
Still ahead amid rampant speculation that he might retire from coaching, football legend Deion Sanders reveals that he spent the offseason battling cancer. We'll have his candid remarks about his condition next.
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SANCHEZ: Colorado Buffalo's head football coach Deion Sanders revealing a serious health scare today that's kept him out of the public eye for months. He announced during a news conference that he was diagnosed with bladder cancer earlier this year but says that he's now cancer-free after having his bladder removed. The 57-year-old called his recovery tough, but in true primetime fashion, Sanders has not lost his sense of humor.
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DEION SANDERS, COLORADO BUFFALOES HEAD FOOTBALL COACH: Right now I'm still dealing with going to the bathroom. Like, it's a whole life change. Like, I can't, and I'm going to be transparent, I can't pee like I used to pee.
It's totally different. I depend on the pen, you know, if you know what I mean. I truly depend on the pen. I cannot control my bladder. So I get up and go to the bathroom already four or five times a night, but then I'm sitting up there waking up, you know, like my grandson. We're in the same thing.
We've got the same problem right now. We're going through the same trials and tribulations. We're trying to see who has the heaviest bag at the end of the night.
Like this is just -- it's ridiculous. But I'm making a joke out of it, but it's real.
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KEILAR: It's real, and a lot of people deal with this. And Coach Sanders also thanked his doctors. He urged others to get themselves checked. He said, don't be ashamed of it.
We have CNN medical analyst Dr. Jonathan Reiner with us now. I mean, it's just amazing, Dr. Reiner, to hear him speak. A lot of people won't talk about this, and when he talks about it, he's letting a lot of people be seen for what they're dealing with. But talk to us a little bit about what he's been through, because his
medical team says they removed his bladder and actually created a new one that cures him from cancer. But here he's discussing his ordeal that he goes through.
What else does he have ahead of him?
DR. JONATHAN REINER, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: So, I agree. I'm very impressed by Mr. Sanders' willingness to talk publicly about this. I think public people, high-profile people, either shut down completely and hide their illnesses, or they do what Mr. Sanders is doing so admirably, which is to talk about it.
You know, there are hundreds of thousands of people in the United States, over 750,000 people in the United States, who have had bladder cancer. About 85,000 will have bladder cancer this year. In men, it's the sixth most common cancer. So, this is a very, very common problem, and I applaud Mr. Sanders for being so open about it and sharing his journey.
It's a disease most commonly seen in older people, particularly in people over the age of 65. About 80 percent of these cancers are seen in that population. It is associated with a history of tobacco use.
It's also seen in some people with environmental exposures in the past to things like dyes used in the leather industry. And if it's caught late, it can be lethal. But overall, the five-year survival rate for people with bladder cancer is about 75 percent.
Very early bladder cancers can be treated with bladder-saving procedures. Bladder cancers that are further along, as it appears Mr. Sanders was, require removal of the bladder. And then there are a variety of ways -- you know, once you remove the bladder, you have to find a way to get the urine out of the body. And it sounds like Mr. Sanders had a cystectomy, which is removal of the bladder, and then creation of a neobladder, which is often created from a piece of intestine formed into a sac, and that has to be rooted out of the body.
So, and it's a process of learning how to use that new system. And it sounds like Mr. Sanders has a great attitude and is doing quite well.
SANCHEZ: Yes, he also is urging people to get checked out now if they have symptoms that they're concerned about. What kind of signs are there that this is something you should consider?
REINER: Yes, the most common symptom would probably be blood in the urine. And just a small amount of blood can make the urine really red. It doesn't even have to be fully, you know, bright red. You know, dark urine also can be a sign of blood in the urine. And anyone who, and it's obviously not normal to have blood in the urine at any time. And if anyone has that particular symptom, that should really generate a trip to the doctor.
Usually the first test would be a urinalysis. If there are red cells in the urine, that would trigger further testing, which it sounds like Mr. Sanders had. Other symptoms could be increased frequency of urination or pain on urination.
All of these symptoms should trigger a talk with your doctor to see if anything more involved is needed to figure out what's going on.
KEILAR: Yes, well, let's hope that Deion Sanders being candid makes someone think about maybe something that they're going through and it's really helpful. Dr. Reiner, thank you for explaining it to us.
REINER: Pleasure.
KEILAR: Coming up, a search for a suspect underway after a couple is killed while hiking at a state park with their two young daughters who are alive. We'll have an update on the manhunt next.
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SANCHEZ: Right now in Arkansas, there's a manhunt underway after this mother and father were killed while on a hike with their two young daughters. State police found the bodies of Kristen and Clinton Brink in Devil's Den State Park on Saturday. Witnesses alerted authorities after encountering the girls who were just 7 and 9 years old.
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BROADCASTIFY/NORTHWEST ARKANSAS PUBLIC SAFETY: We've got the two witnesses here at the scene that talked to the little girls when we walked them up to the temple. They didn't witness the crimes. They just met the girls on the trail.
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SANCHEZ: State police say the children are now safe with family. Let's get the latest from CNN's Dianne Gallagher, who's been tracking this for us. Dianne, do we know if these young girls actually witnessed the attack on their parents?
DIANNE GALLAGHER, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You know, Boris, we don't know exactly what the girls did or did not see. There are still a lot of questions as this manhunt is underway, including the fact that police haven't said what type of weapon was used or any kind of possible motive. But we do know that the girls knew something happened to their mom and dad because they're the ones who told people at the park, as well as the visitor center, that their parents had been attacked.
Take a listen to this call.
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BROADCASTIFY/NORTHWEST ARKANSAS PUBLIC SAFETY: Washington County received a call from the visitor center. Two children are there. They advised that their parents were assaulted. One was possible stabbed. The parents are missing.
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GALLAGHER: Now, the bodies of 43-year-old Clinton and 41-year-old Cristen Brink were found on a remote walking trail that is known for thick vegetation and no cell phone service on Saturday afternoon. The family had recently moved to Prairie Grove, which is a small town near the Oklahoma border about 12 miles away from that national -- excuse me, that state park.
Now again, police say the children were unharmed, and they do have a vague description of the suspect and a vehicle. Anybody they're asking who lives in the area or who was visiting on Saturday, please review all of the photos or videos you may have taken, your security cameras, your game cameras, to see if you perhaps saw a white male with a medium build, last seen wearing a shirt with rolled-up sleeves, dark pants, a dark ball cap, fingerless gloves, and a black backpack.
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He was seen driving toward the park exit in a black four-door sedan, they say possibly a Mazda, with the license plate covered by either electrical or duct tape. They say he may have traveled on State Highway 170 or State Highway 220 near the park. They're asking anybody who may have seen something to please contact authorities. They're in Arkansas.
Boris, they have upped police presence around the state parks across Arkansas, and they have shut down all walking trails at Devil's Den until further notice.
SANCHEZ: Dianne Gallagher, thank you so much for the update.
Still ahead, President Trump speaking out about the situation in Gaza, saying there is real starvation there. Remarks that put him at odds with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who denies that. We'll break down the implications when we come back.
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