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DHS Says Two Detainees Killed, One Wounded in Shooting at Dallas ICE Facility; FBI Says It is Investigating ICE Facility Shooting as Targeted Violence; Camp Mystic Plans for Reopening After Deadly Floods; Secretary of State Rubio Meets With Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov; Trump Now Says Ukraine Can Win Back Its Territory From Russia. Aired 1:30-2p ET

Aired September 24, 2025 - 13:30   ET

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BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CO-ANCHOR OF "CNN NEWS CENTRAL": Back to the Breaking News. Officials are looking into why a gunman opened fire today at an ICE facility in Dallas, killing two detainees and wounding a third.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN CO-ANCHOR OF "CNN NEWS CENTRAL": That's according to a Homeland Security official. Authorities say the shooter died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. CNN's Priscilla Alvarez is tracking all of these breaking developments. And Priscilla, officials also say no members of law enforcement were hurt here. What else are you learning?

PRISCILLA ALVAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, Brianna and Boris, the latest information that we have is that three detainees were shot. Two of them are dead, one of them is in critical condition. Now, the Department of Homeland Security over the course of the morning, was tying this shooting to the ramped up attacks that they have seen against ICE personnel and ICE facilities across the country.

In fact, this particular facility had been targeted with a bomb threat last month. But they have also said repeatedly, including authorities on the ground, that ICE agents were not shot or injured. The latest information we have is that those who were shot were detainees and that two of them are dead and one of them is in critical condition.

SANCHEZ: And Priscilla, take us back to how the shooting started.

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ALVAREZ: Yeah, the Dallas Police Department provided details on this. What they said is that around 6:40 a.m. today, they responded to what they called an assist officer call. You see there the massive response to this facility, as this was ongoing. And that is where they also said that the two people at the time were transported to the hospital with gunshot wounds and one victim died at the scene. They also had said pretty immediately that the suspected shooter had died of a self- inflicted gunshot wound. Now, I have also spoken to immigration attorneys who frequent this facility, one of whom told me that she had arrived there around 7:00 a.m. because her client had a routine check-in at this facility, and she had seen that the facility had been cordoned off, that there was a massive police presence and had been told that there was a shooter. So she ended up turning away and her client was still behind and hadn't yet arrived to the facility.

But it gives you a sense of that this particular facility, there were people preparing around 7:00 a.m. to go into it for routine check-ins. But this all unfolded shortly before that. So anyone and I talked to another immigration attorney, they also similarly could not even get to the facility as soon as this, as you see there, presence arrived, police presence arrived. So, certainly, something that happened in the early hours of the morning and then took over the rest of the day.

KEILAR: There's been, Priscilla, a lot of focus from defenders of President Trump's immigration policies on rhetoric surrounding ICE and law enforcement. We heard this from Vice President J.D. Vance. What are you learning about the motive for this attack?

ALVAREZ: During a press conference earlier, authorities said that there were -- and the FBI in particular said that there appear to be ideological motivations. They've been pointing to bullet casings, one of which said "anti-ICE." So they are pinning this to heightened rhetoric against Immigration and Customs Enforcement. And I have been covering this for a long time. It is true that there are heightened criticisms, attacks, threats against ICE agents and ICE facilities.

But this also has happened before in the first Trump administration and in other years, and again, is also true in this situation, is that those who were shot and who were killed were detainees. So, the administration is continuing to say, and the Department of Homeland Security Secretary, Kristi Noem, only moments ago saying in a post that this rhetoric needs to stop. Again, this ultimately, was shots fired at a ICE facility in Dallas, but there are still questions about the motivation of the suspected shooter. And all of that is going to bear out over the course of the investigation.

SANCHEZ: And we should let our viewers know you're watching right now is federal officials, federal investigators looking at the area near the attack, obviously, a rooftop area near where this took place. Priscilla, what can you tell us about the function of this facility? What goes on inside?

ALVAREZ: Yeah, Boris, and quickly, because you mentioned those officers on the rooftop, it's not clear whether that is the rooftop where the suspected shooter was, but what the authorities have said is that he was shooting from an adjacent building and a Homeland Security official has told me that he was shooting from an elevated position. Now, to your question about what this facility does, this is a place where immigrants are taken to be processed. It has around three or four holding cells. They're there for a temporary period before they're transferred to a detention center, typically pretty quickly.

And usually, there's a couple dozen of people there at any given time, up to maybe a hundred according to a former senior ICE official. But even that aside, there are people who go there with their attorneys at times to do routine check-ins. That is also part of the immigration process. So there would've been, as the Acting ICE Director, Todd Lyons said on CNN earlier today, civilians there, like attorneys, ICE employees as well as the detainees.

SANCHEZ: Priscilla Alvarez, thank you so much for the update. Still ahead, the owners of Camp Mystic in Texas were floods killed 27 young campers and counselors this summer, announcing their plans for the future. New details to bring you ahead on "CNN News Central."

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KEILAR: Moments ago, Russia's foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov giving a thumbs up when asked by CNN about his meeting with Secretary of State, Marco Rubio. That meeting lasted just under an hour and it took place just one day after President Trump in a surprised rhetorical reversal said he believed that Ukraine could win back all its territory from Russia. According to U.S. officials, this shift is intended to apply pressure on Vladimir Putin as Trump hopes to jumpstart the process of getting a peace deal.

We're joined now by Democratic Congressman Jake Auchincloss of Massachusetts. He is also a Marine veteran. Congressman, Trump saying that Ukraine could win back all territory from Russia, maybe even go further than that. He said, he also simultaneously put a lot of the responsibility for that on Europe. What's your read here?

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REP. JAKE AUCHINCLOSS, (D-MA): The president has always been all hat no cattle when it comes to Russia. The Kremlin only understands one language, strength, and the president has always been weak. He rolled out the red carpet for Vladimir Putin. U.S. troops were literally on their knees in front of this Russian autocrat. And afterwards, Vladimir Putin responded by striking American sites in Ukraine.

What this president needs to do, if he's serious about defending Ukraine as I hope he is, is first collaboratively define victory with our NATO allies. That means a secure eastern border, freedom of navigation in the Black Sea, and accession to the European Union. And then, he needs to actually equip Ukraine to win this war. That means authorize long-range strikes against Moscow's oil refineries. It means tighten the oil sanctions. It means take those frozen Russian assets in Brussels and give them to Ukraine for reindustrialization and re- armament. There's a bunch of really straightforward things that this president can do if he's serious about actually acting rather than tweeting.

KEILAR: There's sanctions, right? There's a bipartisan sanctions bill with 80 Senate co-sponsors that's floating around the Hill right now. But republican leaders in the House and Senate have been saying they're waiting on the green light from the White House before voting on it. Do you understand what the holdup is or if there's any appetite to move forward on that?

AUCHINCLOSS: I certainly understand what the holdup is. Donald Trump is a supplicant of Vladimir Putin. As I said, he likes to posture about being a tough guy, but when push comes to shove, he doesn't actually want to pick a fight with the Kremlin. The problem with that is that the Kremlin can smell weakness and they want to exploit it. And that is why NATO and Article 5 and our alliances are so critical, is that we must demonstrate strength in unison. And instead we've got this president attacking our allies and letting Russia off the hook.

KEILAR: So Trump also said yesterday, NATO countries should shoot down Russian aircraft that violate their airspace. That would include jets. We saw jets, Russian jets in Estonia's airspace for a prolonged period of time. Do you think any NATO country shooting down Russian jets is a good idea, if and when this happens again, should that be what a NATO country does to respond?

AUCHINCLOSS: Well, there's escalation of force procedures in place, so you don't immediately fire at the jet. What you do is you signal to the jet that they're in your airspace. You give them time to turn around. It is not as simple as just they cross the line and they get fired upon. I think that's reckless. But if you're asking, should NATO defend our Article 5 commitment that has made us the most successful alliance in the history of the world? Absolutely. And the problem with weakness is that it invites further aggression. Europe bears the scars of appeasement. Let us not learn those bitter lessons again.

KEILAR: We are just days away from a potential government shutdown. You said recently the Democrats need to be disruptive. Do you support shutting down the government? That would be certainly disruptive.

AUCHINCLOSS: Shutting down the government is not the goal, nor should it be. The goal is to reverse the biggest tax hike and the biggest healthcare cut in American history to fund our local police departments and to launch an anti-corruption initiative, whether it's about congressional stock trading, whether about -- it's about the Trump meme coin, whether it's about the Epstein files that builds trust for Americans back in Washington, D.C. This is not about shutting down the government. That should never be the goal.

We want the federal government to work for the American people. This is about costs, particularly for healthcare for American families. This is about public safety. This is about reducing and giving congressional control back over Trump's reckless tariffs. and this is about transparency and anti-corruption.

KEILAR: But you, the Democratic base sees it as a tool, right? They see it as a disruptive tool to get some of the things they want. They were frustrated with Leader Schumer when he did not use that tool, last time, when it was available to him. You said it would depend what the parameters of a CR, of a funding bill looked like. What kind of CR funding bill could you sign onto? What are the parameters where you would pass on using that as a tool? And what are your reservations about it?

AUCHINCLOSS: Well, the president declined to even meet with Democratic leaders. So I'm not going to negotiate against myself out in the open when the president won't even negotiate in good faith with Democrats. But what I will say is, whether it's the Democratic base, whether it's the Republican base, whether it's independent voters, they're all pretty clear what they care about, which is the economy and the cost of living. We know that that healthcare cuts, we know that the tariffs are exacerbating both. So why don't we start with a focus there? Why don't we take some of the pressure off the price of things in this economy right now, which have soared since President Trump took office claiming he was going to lower prices on day one?

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We know that Americans care about law and order and public safety, and the president only wants to talk about deportations. He doesn't want to talk about the cuts to local law enforcement that his budget foresees. And we need to be funding our police departments in this country to uphold law and order.

KEILAR: Congressman Jake Auchincloss, thanks so much for being with us. And ahead on "CNN News Central," how much worse is inflation because of President Trump's trade wars? A new report explaining how much those tariffs could be costing Americans.

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SANCHEZ: Now to some of the other headlines we're watching this hour, the Texas summer camp where 27 girls and counselors were killed during catastrophic flooding in July will reopen next year. The owners just announced the decision in an email to families. The plan involves using an area that wasn't damaged in the flood and not the land that lies along the Guadalupe River. Remember, victims were swept away when the river more than doubled in height in less than an hour. The camp owners say that a memorial is in the works to honor those that were lost.

Plus, the family of a 12-year-old girl wounded in last month's school shooting in Minneapolis said she is making miraculous strides in her recovery. Sophia Forchas was in critical condition after the shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church, which left two children dead, 21 injured. Earlier, Sophia's doctor said a bullet remained lodged in her brain and had caused severe damage. Her family now saying that Sophia is showing signs, promising signs of neurological recovery. Their statement goes on to say, "Her doctors remain cautiously optimistic, though she still has a long journey ahead, filled with extensive therapy. Her resilience continues to inspire hope at every step."

KEILAR: And a huge sinkhole opening up in Thailand's capital, Bangkok. Look at this, part of the street collapsed, just swallowing cars, electrical poles, even that building looks like it's hanging over the edge there. Here's the moment that a truck toppled in. Rescue workers attempting to clean up the mess had to rush to escape a mini mudslide that happened inside of the sink hole. You see them down there, struggling to deal with the situation. Fortunately, no reports of anyone being hurt. Officials believe this collapse was caused by the construction of an underground train station.

Companies are hiking prices and a survey of CFOs says tariffs are to blame. And the finance execs say the inflation could have been about 30 percent lower this year without those tariffs.

SANCHEZ: Those findings, of course, are in stark contrast with President Trump's repeated claims that there is, "No inflation since the start of his second term." The survey also undermines the argument that tariffs would be a one-time price adjustment. CNN's Matt Egan joins us now. Matt, walk us through the findings of this study.

MATT EGAN, CNN SENIOR REPORTER: Yeah, Boris and Brianna, as you mentioned, the president does like to often say that there's no inflation and the tariffs are not driving up prices. But financial decision makers in corporate America, they say otherwise. CFOs expect on average to increase prices this year by 4 percent. That's according to this new survey from Duke University and the Federal Reserve Banks of Atlanta and Richmond. And what's notable is, they do blame about a third of those price increases directly on tariffs. And that is significant, right?

It does suggest that inflation could be about a third lower if there were no tariffs. That might not sound like a ton, but it really is a big deal. I mean, that's the difference between instead of the elevated 3 percent inflation that we have right now, it could be the 2 percent inflation. That is exactly what the Federal Reserve is targeting. And the other thing that stands out here is that they're not saying that this is just going to be a one-time increase in prices. CFOs, they are penciling in price hikes next year of also another 4 percent. And they are assigning about 25 percent of the blame for those tariff increases on tariffs.

And we do know a whole slew of companies have blamed price hikes on tariffs. Everyone from toy companies like Hasbro and Mattel to Procter & Gamble, Target, Walmart, Nike, I could go on and on. But as you mentioned, this does undermine the argument that tariffs are just going to be a one-time price adjustment. It makes sense that this is a lingering thing because the tariffs didn't just get all announced at once, right? They get announced, they get implemented, sometimes they're paused, they're dialed back, they're dialed back and forward. I mean, there's a lot of moving -- a lot of moving pieces here.

And Duke Professor John Graham who conducts this survey, he told me this isn't a one-time thing. He said it's still going to be happening in 2026. This is going to be a long drawn out affair. And Graham even added that he thinks the price increases due to tariffs, that could actually stretch into 2027 as well. So look, the bottom line here is we're not dealing with runaway inflation like three years ago, but the cost of living is still too high and tariffs are clearly part of the problem.

SANCHEZ: Matt Egan, thank you so much for breaking that down for us.