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Government Shutdown Enters Second Day with No End in Sight; Health Care Subsidies Main Sticking Pint in Shutdown Standoff; At Least Two Killed in Attack at Manchester, England Synagogue; Jet's Wing Slams into Cockpit Windows of Another at Laguardia Airport. Aired 8-8:30a ET

Aired October 02, 2025 - 08:00   ET

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ALLISON CHINCHAR, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Even though it's far away, it's still a strong enough storm, a potent enough storm to have some of those impacts, even in faraway places. Take a look at this too, all up and down. You can see all that red.

Those are the high rip current risks up and down the east coast. And I want to emphasize that Imelda only plays a partial role in a lot of those rip currents. It really has to do with the fact that you've got Imelda over here, but you also have this high pressure up through here.

And then in between the two of them, you're going to get those stronger winds. And it's that strong wind that's really pushing a lot of that water right there, up and down the east coast. And it's likely going to continue that way through the rest of the day today.

SARA SIDNER, CNN ANCHOR: Allison Chinchar, it's always a pleasure. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

A new hour of CNN NEWS CENTRAL starts right now.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, mass permanent layoffs, the new threats from the White House overnight in this new day of a government shutdown.

Breaking news, at least two people dead and several others seriously injured in an attack on a synagogue on the holiest day on the Jewish calendar. A man drove his car into a crowd and started stabbing people.

A collision on the ground at New York's LaGuardia Airport. A plane's wing slams into the cockpit of another plane. Both had passengers on board.

Kate is out. I'm John Berman with Sara Sidner, and this is CNN NEWS CENTRAL.

SIDNER: New this morning, there is no end in sight. Republicans are piling the pressure on Democrats as the government shutdown enters its second day, with hundreds of thousands of federal workers furloughed and some services cut. The White House now saying mass firings are imminent, or as President Trump put it in a message aimed at the GOP overnight, use this shutdown to, quote, clear out dead wood, waste and fraud.

Sources say his budget director signaled that layoffs could begin within the next just two days. Both sides blaming one another. Republicans blaming the deadlock on Democrats' health care demands.

Democrats say the GOP needs to come to the negotiating table.

We're already seeing the fallout. The White House announcing it's freezing $18 billion in critical infrastructure projects for New York City and the state the top two Democrats in Congress represent.

And the earliest this can be resolved is Friday when Congress returns, but it could go on and probably will go on a lot longer than that -- John.

BERMAN: All right, with us now, Republican strategist Matt Gorman and CNN political commentator Karen Finney. Good morning to both of you. Look, we're in day two of this.

We know there will be a day three because of the Jewish holiday. And if you're following this like a tennis match, I think a lot of people looking at this thought, oh, Republicans have the upper hand at the beginning because we've been through this before. And generally speaking, the ones who get blamed are the ones who vote to shut it down.

But Matt, over at Punchbowl this morning, you know, Jake and Anna and John Bresnahan, they write that these new threats from the White House, from mass permanent layoffs, the withholding of congressionally appropriated funding for New York City here, that this might be overreach and push the momentum back toward the Democrats. What do you think?

MATT GORMAN, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, first of all, sorry about your Red Socks, number one. But number two, look, we said this would be painful. We said don't do this because, you know, there will be consequences.

Look, this can be all over very quickly. Democrats can reopen the government. We can stop holding troop pay hostage, air traffic controller pay hostage, veterans benefits hostage, and we can go on.

But again, Democrats want to be captive to the left flank of the party and who are more interested about shutting down government to fight Donald Trump in some abstract way than actually reopening the government and doing their job. This can be over very quickly.

BERMAN: Karen.

KAREN FINNEY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, when 71 percent of Americans in a new poll out this morning from The Washington Post say fight for those Affordable Care Act health care subsidies, I don't think this is going to end any time soon. But I agree it could be over very quickly. All the president has to do and the Republican members of Congress is come back to the table with a serious proposal.

Here's the other thing about what this New York action and the meet these sort of racist memes and the oh, it was just a joke. The message that that sends to the American people is that this president thinks that this is a joke, that this is unserious, right, that this is a fight. He's more interested in the fight than taking care of the American people.

And it reminds New Yorkers certainly that this president doesn't care about them. So certainly those who may have voted for him are recognizing that their vote was ill placed.

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And so, you know, I think the bottom line here is Democrats feel they are very strong ground fighting for health care, fighting for the restoration of one trillion dollars in Medicaid and fighting to ensure that people don't see their health care costs double in just a month.

BERMAN: And Matt, I think that one of the things that's worth pointing out here is that one of the ways this shutdown could end is if so- called moderate Democrats want to seek some kind of a deal. And the argument at Punchbowl and other places this morning is that by withholding congressionally appropriated funding, threatening mass layoffs, you're actually galvanizing shaky Democrats to the other side.

They are more willing to fight against the administration when they do these things, which, by the way, are completely elective on the part of the administration. There's no have to here on what the administration is doing, Matt.

GORMAN: Well, look, I mean, I was pretty surprised and I guess heartened that there's a way out of this because you're already seeing you saw moderate Democrats fall off before the shutdown even happened. Catherine Cortez Masto and others voting against this.

I actually do think I am maybe -- call me a little optimist, I root for the Yankees -- but I think we'll take the Jewish holiday without the voting and people get together and Democrats can -- and Republicans can maybe find a way out of this to reopen the government. And then if people want to come to the table, that's fine. But reopen the government first, period, before we start talking about anything else.

They need to do their job.

BERMAN: Hang on one second, Karen, because I want to play. Let me just play --

FINNEY: Yes.

BERMAN: -- before you talk, because I talked to Chris Coons, senator from Delaware last night, who was firmly on the side that there need to be health care changes for any kind of deal here. But he is one of these senators who is at least talking to other senators about ways through this.

And listen to what he said to me last night.

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SEN. CHRIS COONS (D-DE): There is agreement that we should be willing to negotiate an extension of the Affordable Care Act subsidies and a reform to them. Republicans want to reform them. Democrats want to extend them.

And they're insisting, as of now, that we all vote to reopen the government and then we'll start negotiating. I'm encouraging them to be serious and concrete about who will negotiate, how, over what and with what deadline.

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BERMAN: So at the end there, that was interesting. That felt like a little bit of a door opening with Chris Coons, who is seen, I think, not certainly as a moderate, per se, but seen as someone who's willing to talk. Saying, look, if you give us some concrete things here, there may be a path through that. What did you hear?

FINNEY: Well, certainly in conversations, I heard the same thing you did in conversations with other Democratic senators. There, of course, is an openness to talk. And on the floor yesterday, you could see groups of people trying to have conversations.

The problem, though, becomes this suggestion that somehow we're not going to reopen the government until, you know, then we'll negotiate. There's no trust. And the problem is that time and time again, we've seen this president and the Republicans in Congress who have been capitulated to him go back on their word.

We've seen that many times over the last eight months. And we know that, for example, many of those jobs they're talking about cutting, to your point, John, the president doesn't have to do that. There's no -- nothing that says, by the way, during a shutdown that's mandatory.

That's a choice. That's a choice of leadership. Trump himself has previously said the president's job is you bring people together and you negotiate. So I think we're part of the challenge.

And the last thing I'll say here, part of what is keeping, I think, Democrats holding firm, we have to remember the politics of this have changed. Given that we saw all summer Americans come out and make it very clear, we've seen it in the polling, they hated the big, ugly bill.

They hated what was going on. So that is also bolstering Democrats in believing that they've really got to hold firm before, you know, agreeing to give up their vote without health care. So it's a sort of no vote -- no health care, no vote at this point.

BERMAN: All right, Karen Finney, thank you very much. Matt Gorman, thank you to you, even with your un-American comments about baseball. Appreciate it -- Sara.

SIDNER: Oh, boy. All right, just ahead, we are continuing to following really disturbing breaking news this morning.

Two people now confirmed dead, several injured after a stabbing outside a synagogue in the U.K. on the holiest of Jewish holidays.

Plus, two planes colliding on the taxiway at New York's LaGuardia Airport. Passengers inside both of those planes. The details ahead on what happened and whether there are injuries.

And two crooks caught in the act. The victims walking in as their home was being invaded. Now two suspects on the run. That story ahead.

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SIDNER: All right, we're following the breaking news this morning.

We're now learning at least two people were killed in a car ramming and stabbing attack outside a U.K. synagogue. Three others suffered serious injuries, according to authorities. The assault especially horrific because it comes on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish faith.

The attack happened outside the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation synagogue in Manchester this morning.

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We're seeing now some disturbing cell phone video posted online showing officers arriving on the scene in the immediate aftermath of that attack. And then just seconds later, gunfire can be heard going off there.

CNN's Clare Sebastian in London. What can you tell us the latest on this? New information is coming in every hour.

CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Sara, we had an update from Greater Manchester Police about an hour ago. Now, as you say, we are now learning that two people have died. Three people are believed to be still injured in a critical condition, police say.

And a third person is also believed to have died, police say, that is the suspected offender. Now, they cannot confirm that he has died because they say of suspicious items on his person. The bomb disposal unit has been called, police say, and is now at the scene.

And I think if we can show this video and a warning to our viewers that it is graphic of the police pointing their guns, it seems, at this individual, you can sort of add some context there. They seem to be telling people to move back. It's a very tense situation.

And that is something that is sort of adding context to these comments that we're getting from police. But it is something where we're seeing reactions flooding in around the UK. The King, King Charles, has come out and said he is shocked and saddened to learn of this.

And the British Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, has had to cut short a trip to Denmark for a major EU meeting. He is coming back to chair an emergency meeting. Take a listen to what he had to say.

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KEIR STARMER, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: The attack in Manchester this morning is absolutely shocking. And all of our thoughts are with those affected. I'm on my way back to London. When I arrive, I will chair an emergency Cobra meeting. I'm already able to say that additional police assets are being deployed to synagogues across the country. And we will do everything to keep our Jewish community safe.

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SEBASTIAN: So the Prime Minister confirming there that additional police resources will be deployed to protect Jewish communities, synagogues, other Jewish sites across the country. We're hearing also from the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, who says that additional security will be deployed in the capital at Jewish sites. Security had already been stepped up.

Of course, there have been major concerns, particularly after October 7 and the Israeli war on Hamas, that Jewish sites are vulnerable. Security had been stepped up. Now, I think, obviously, this has exponentially raised the alert level, the worst case scenario for this Jewish community in Manchester, an attack on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar, Sara.

SIDNER: Yes, Clare Sebastian, I know you're following all of this. Thank you so much for your good reporting.

Ahead, two planes full of passengers colliding while taxiing. The wing of one of the aircrafts ends up inside the cockpit of another. How everyone onboard is doing this morning.

And aid intercepted, Israeli forces stopping an aid flotilla bound for Gaza this morning. A new message from one of the activists who were detained on that flotilla. Those stories and more ahead.

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BERMAN: All right, developing this morning, an investigation underway after the wing of a Delta plane slammed into the cockpit window of another. This happened on the taxiway at New York's LaGuardia Airport. We do have audio of a pilot describing the incident to air traffic control.

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GROUND CONTROLLER: And you guys did clip, correct?

PILOT: Yeah, we did. They're right wing clipped our nose and the cockpit. We have damage to our windscreen.

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BERMAN: Now, CNN has learned that a flight attendant was injured in this collision. With us now, CNN's Omar Jimenez. Omar, we were just talking, we both fly Delta at LaGuardia all the time.

OMAR JIMENEZ, CNN ANCHOR AND CORRESPONDENT: Yes. And, I mean, these two regional jets is what we're talking about here. And, I mean, you heard some of the air traffic control. I mean, thankfully, this happened, I guess, all things considered, on the taxiway. So Delta's calling this a low-speed collision at this point.

But essentially what happened was there was a flight coming in from Charlotte, flight 5047. And then there was a flight leaving towards Roanoke, which was flight 5155. And until the wing of the Roanoke- bound plane struck the front of the -- you can see sort of the diagram here -- struck the front of the plane that was coming in from Charlotte.

And while we don't know what fully caused this, this happened around 10 p.m. Eastern time last night, a statement from the FAA did say that air traffic control instructed flight 5155 -- that's the Roanoke-bound plane -- to hold short and yield to the other plane. Obviously, that didn't happen. Something went wrong here. And it's why the FAA is continuing to investigate at this point.

But Delta released a statement saying, Delta will work with all relevant authorities to review what occurred as safety of our customers and people comes before all else. We apologize to our customers for the experience.

As you touched on earlier, thankfully no major injuries here. But one flight attendant injured her knee. As we understand, another person or someone was taken to the hospital as well as the FAA continues to investigate. But obviously, I mean, you see how devastating that impact is.

BERMAN: Yes, I'm glad we put this picture up so people can see what we're talking about here.

JIMENEZ: Yes.

BERMAN: But you can see even low impact, low speed shredded there.

JIMENEZ: Yes, yes, this wasn't just, this clearly was for folks on board. I mean, throwing flight attendants to the point where they're injuring their knee. And I will say, you know, just slightly bigger picture is some might look at this and say, well, oh, we're in a government shutdown.

Could this be because of air traffic control? We're still early in a government shutdown. But the fear is that as as goes on, the air traffic controllers who are considered essential might be less motivated to show up for work without pay.

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So that -- while that doesn't seem to be a factor here at all, obviously, investigation is still going on. These are the types of incidents that people worry could happen as that shutdown gets longer and longer and longer.

BERMAN: Something to watch for. All right, Omar Jimenez, thank you so much for all of that.

A new day of the government shutdown. What could the impact be on public health?

And a dangerous discovery, a toddler finds a live grenade while playing outside.

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