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New Explosions in Gaza after Deal Announced; Trump to Hold Cabinet Meeting; Israel and Hamas Agree to First Phase of Plan; Court Hearings Over National Guard Deployments; Mitch Green is Interviewed about Portland Troop Deployment. Aired 9-9:30a ET

Aired October 09, 2025 - 09:00   ET

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JOAN KOWALSKI, PRESIDENT, BOB ROSS INC.: Off, that have been donated to American public television, and that they will be auctioning off are mostly going to be paintings that Bob actually completed on television. We're hearing from, you know, experts that those are going to fetch the most. When you have film of the artist actually completing a painting, that's very enticing to a lot of people.

SARA SIDNER, CNN ANCHOR: Yes.

KOWALSKI: So, most of them will be the on air paintings that he did. And then some of them also will be the ones that he took a little more time with after the TV show when he was preparing his instructional books. Those paintings are, you know, maybe he spent three hours on. So they're particularly gorgeous. And so we'll have some of those in there, too.

SIDNER: It's amazing just to revisit this and to hear him say this happy little tree, this happy little cloud, because in his world everything is happy, which is why we all loved and enjoyed listening to him. He made us feel good as well as the beauty that he brought in his paintings.

Joan Kowalski, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

A new hour of CNN NEWS CENTRAL starts right now.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: We do have breaking news just coming in this hour. We now have a timeline when the ceasefire will begin in Gaza, after Israel and Hamas reach a deal to end the two year long war finally. So, what is next?

Also new this morning, the Texas National Guard being deployed to an ICE facility in Chicago as lawyers prepare to take the legal fight over this to court today.

And a road rage incident leads to multiple shootings across Houston. Four people were killed.

I'm Kate Bolduan, with Sara Sidner and John Berman. This is CNN NEWS CENTRAL. JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, the breaking news this morning, as Kate just said, just minutes ago we got our first look at a timeline here. We're standing by for the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to convene a meeting of his security cabinet to approve the U.S. backed ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. After that, the Israeli government says it will take effect within 24 hours.

All right, this was the moment that Secretary of State Marco Rubio told President Trump the two sides were on the verge of a deal. The president made an announcement just hours after that. He says that under the deal Hamas will release all hostages and Israel will pull its troops back to an agreed upon line.

The president spoke with some of the hostage families by phone and said they will be freed on Monday. This morning, Kate spoke with the brother-in-law of hostage Omri Miran, who expressed his enormous gratitude to the president.

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MOSHE LAVI, BROTHER-IN-LAW OF HOSTAGE OMRI MIRAN: And what was powerful was especially getting the news yesterday from the White House, speaking to the president, seeing how much he is excited to share the news with us and sharing our message as well to the world.

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BERMAN: Even as hope grows, there were new explosions in Gaza. Smoke rising over parts of the area earlier this morning.

Let's get to CNN's Nic Robertson, who's in Cairo tracking all the latest developments.

Where do things stand, Nic, and what happens next?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, the latest details we've just had have come from the prime minister's press office inside the -- in Israel, and they are saying the timeline goes like this. And I should read from the exact quote. It says, it "will come into effect, of course, after 24 hours taking place that we discussed after the meeting that takes place later this evening."

I think what precisely is being said there, this is a security cabinet Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will hold. They will make a decision on the ceasefire hostage release deal. It's expected to go ahead. There may be some dissent in his cabinet. Then the 24-hour clock starts ticking. I think that's the correct interpretation there. IDF troops pull back to that line. It's a line that President Trump recommended, suggested, that was agreed, that gives Israel effective control of 53 percent of the Gaza Strip. I think that's the going figure at the moment.

And then, when they -- when that 24 hour period has expired and the IDF pull back to that point, then the 72 hour clock begins. And it's within that 72 hour clock that the hostages will be released. There's a couple of other things that we can expect to happen later

today as well. A signing ceremony and -- which appears to be what Hamas is saying is required for them to move forward and release the hostages, that there is a formal recognition that this is more than just a ceasefire, that this is an end to the war.

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That's what Hamas is talking about at the moment as well.

So, this sequence of events are in play and beginning right now with a pre-meeting in Israel, Prime Minister Netanyahu with some of his security officials ahead of that main cabinet. That's due to -- first security meeting due to begin right now. So, everything is rolling out, no hitches, but a lot of unanswered questions.

BERMAN: Yes, the sequencing here is so important. Step by step we will have to watch this unfold and hope it all goes smoothly.

Nic Robertson for us in Cairo this morning.

Nic, thank you very much.

Kate.

Sara.

SIDNER: It's me. No worries.

As the White House celebrates this deal, President Trump is also expected to convene his cabinet for a meeting this morning. Let's get straight to CNN's Alayna Treene, who is live at the White House this morning with the very latest.

Are we expecting to see the president actually head to -- to Israel once this all gets signed?

ALAYNA TREENE, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: That is the expectation, Sara. The president has said that himself, that he wants to go to the Middle East, go to Israel. He actually floated the idea of addressing the -- the Israel parliament while there. He also talked about potentially going to Egypt as well.

But look, I mean this is a remarkable achievement for this White House, something that they have been working on, of course, for several months now. There have been a lot of stop and go moments. There are times when the negotiations fell apart.

But to have this first part of this agreement put together, and particularly so swiftly, that's what I've been hearing in a lot of my conversations, not just with people in the White House, but with experts and others on the outside as well. They think the speed of this was really something that they are crediting with kind of, you know, the pressure that has been put on different leaders in the region and specifically Israel and Hamas in recent months. Now, one thing, of course, that is still unclear is when the rest of

this 20 point plan that the Trump administration had proposed would actually go into effect. As Nic laid out, this agreement is really about just a couple of the points, about getting the hostages out, about having Israel withdraw to a certain line, that yellow line of that map that you had showed earlier and through Gaza. And so, a lot of questions that still need to be determined.

One of the biggest sticking points, and I know that this has been a big concern of people inside the Trump administration is that long term plan for the region, specifically disarming Hamas, making sure that Hamas no longer governs the city but then questions of who does govern Gaza? Now, all of that was addressed when the president spoke with Fox News yesterday, and he said he's planning to put together a council of peace to oversee that longer term plan.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think you're going to see people getting along and you'll see Gaza being rebuilt. We're forming a council that -- the council of peace we think it's going to be called, and it's going to be very powerful.

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TREENE: So, as you heard there, he's saying a council of peace. And that really is going to be the main focus of these ongoing negotiations. We know that, of course, Steve Witkoff, the president's Middle East envoy, and Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, they were crucial. They were in the ground -- on the ground in Egypt, talking with the different leaders. I am told that they are going to continue to be negotiating a lot of the final points of this plan. So, that's really the next question of this. But at that cabinet meeting today, of course you're going to be hearing a lot of celebration, a lot of positive news and remarks around what they were able to do this week.

SIDNER: Yes. And the president saying that on Monday that the families of the hostages should expect to see their loved ones.

Alayna Treene, this is a big development. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

Kate.

BOLDUAN: And joining us right now to talk about all of these developments this morning, Ned Price, a former senior adviser to Secretary of State Tony Blinken, and Barbara Leaf, the former assistant secretary of state for near eastern affairs, both, of course, worked in the Biden administration.

Thank you guys for being here.

Barbara, this timeline that we just learned of, what was just put out, and this agreement even before that of a first phase, all huge. What is your big question this morning surrounding what has been agreed to and what still is lingering out there?

BARBARA LEAF, FORMER ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR NEAR EASTERN AFFAIRS: So, I -- look, I think the critical question at this point is how rapidly can a governance and security structure be deployed? For months now, for really more than a year, there's been a state of -- Gaza has been in a state of violent anarchy. Even Hamas doesn't really control the places where it is present. So, that's the question in my mind.

BOLDUAN: That's a really good point.

Why is timing, real quick, Barbara, why is the timing and the speed, why is it so important? Because if there is a slowdown, if there is a hiccup, what could that -- could it unravel the whole thing?

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LEAF: It absolutely could. There's a vacuum now. And what you want to see happen is some basic level of services, of governance, of law and order established as rapidly as possible. And that -- the -- the perfect can't be the enemy of the good in this instance. You've got to get that started or else things will unravel.

BOLDUAN: Absolutely.

Ned, I want to go back to bring us to the future. There was this extraordinary moment where the secretary of state, Marco Rubio, shared the news in front of cameras to President Trump, passing him a note, and then speaking -- whispering in his ear, saying that what the note said, we ended up seeing images of it, was that they needed him to approve a social media post so he could announce it first.

I mean it reminded me to ask you, you've been in these situations with major behind the scenes coordination on what is clearly a huge and impactful announcement. What is it like? What was it like going on behind the scenes to get that right in real time?

NED PRICE, FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO SECRETARY OF STATE AND STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESPERSON: You know, Kate, there are always extraordinary moments and agreements like this, big, diplomatic negotiations that culminate in something like this, always have a lot of moving parts. Its moving parts within the U.S. bureaucracy, which itself can be massive and not uncomplicated. But, of course, with something like this, you have the warring parties, Israel and Hamas. You have the Arab interlocutors. You have Egypt. You have Qatar. You have Turkey. You have other Arab partners who were involved. You have a whole -- a whole host of international organizations that played some role in this.

And so, one of the most complicated pieces of business is coordination between and among those other parties. And to get that news and to have that go from news in the negotiating room to news in public, that itself is a process. This White House, I think it's fair to say, puts a premium on seeking

to allow President Trump to be first. And I think if you take a look at the note that Secretary Rubio passed to President Trump, that was the overarching point, we need to get you out of here so you can post this first and, in some ways, take credit for it.

Look, I'm not going to begrudge the president of that. I think this is news to celebrate. Even if his predecessors haven't put quite that premium on being the one to be out there gloating first.

BOLDUAN: And, Barbara, you were also the ambassador to the UAE. And when you talk about kind of this coordination, just in the region, what do you think -- or I guess what do you hope this means for the region, seeing so many nations come together to apply pressure in the right way to try to get the -- get them to agreement, and also how complicated that is now.

LEAF: Well, it's enormously complicated because in this gang of eight, as I like to think of them, you've got a couple of countries that have not been the best of friends. That's Egypt and Turkey, UAE, Qatar, the four of them as a starting point. But they did come together.

And look, I'm -- you know, I would give full credit to countries like the UAE and Qatar, of course, which were in this -- in this effort from the start. Egypt, of course, as a mediator. But I think it was a crucial piece that Turkey was brought in because at that point Hamas had nowhere to go in having Turkey there at the table as a mediator.

But you are right, it is going to be exceptionally complicated as they go forward to keep these eight countries aligned. But I think it's a really good start.

BOLDUAN: Ned, real quick, what do you -- what's your biggest question in the coming hours?

PRICE: Well, Kate, my biggest question is whether the pressure that the parties have exerted on Israel and Hamas will continue. And I say that because, look, I think we can pinpoint exactly when this plan became viable. It was September 9th of 2025, exactly one month ago to the day. And I -- that was when Israel attempted to kill Hamas leaders in Qatar.

And I say that, not because that operation was successful. Quite the opposite. It was an abject strategic and tactical failure. But that, I think, prompted President Trump, for the first time really, to put sustained pressure on his Israeli counterpart. And it induced our Arab partners, Egypt, Qatar, Turkey, to really press Hamas to take the deal that, to the credit of this White House, they put into overdrive.

So, will that pressure continue on both parties because, as Barbara outlined, there are big questions that remain. When and to where will Israel withdraw its forces? To what extent will Hamas be disarmed? Who are these so-called technocrats who are going to take over from Hamas in Gaza? And if any of this fails, will Israel seek to restart the war? If we don't want that to happen, that pressure will need to continue. BOLDUAN: It's great to have you both this morning.

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I really appreciate it. Ned Price, Barbara Leaf, thank you both.

John.

BERMAN: All right, breaking overnight, the Texas National Guard now on duty in the Chicago area as we stand by for a court hearing that could determine where the deployment is even legal.

A Florida man accused of stealing a car at gunpoint before dumping the car and rushing to hide in a river. New video of the capture.

And an 82-year-old woman out taking her morning walk when a bear suddenly attacks her. We've got the latest on the incident.

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SIDNER: New this morning, the Texas National Guard is standing by just outside of Chicago, ready to head to ICE facilities, which have seen protests. But a legal battle is raging over the Guard's deployment. A district court will hear arguments in a lawsuit objecting to the federalization of Trump by -- of Guard -- federalization of the Guard by President Trump. Illinois and Chicago opposing him. And today an appeals court will consider whether Trump can send troops into Portland as well.

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Trump administration lawyers are planning to argue the president should be allowed to deploy troops to guard ICE buildings and protect federal property in Chicago and Portland.

Joining me now is Sarah Krissoff, former assistant U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York.

Thank you so much for being here this morning with us.

Look, Trump trying to use these protests against ICE raids as justification for sending in the National Guard troops against the wishes of the governors of those particular states. Does he have a sound legal argument here?

SARAH KRISSOFF, FORMER ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK: Yes, Sara, you hit on the key point here, which is against the wishes of those governors. So, the president is really circumscribed in the instances where he can send in troops if the states are not in agreement. And in this case, there's really this -- this -- the governors and the mayors have pretty strong legal arguments that, under these circumstances, the president cannot do so. I urge everyone really to read Judge Immergut's opinion from Oregon, who set -- she sets out the legal very succinctly, it's very easy to understand what's going on here. SIDNER: Let me ask you about whether or not some of the comments from the president, something that he posted, saying that, you know, perhaps the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois be jailed against the backdrop of all of this, as they resist his trying to send troops in. Will that play at all, you think, or be used at all in court?

KRISSOFF: Yes, I mean, I think these social media statements that the president is making on this issue are actually hurting him in court. Judge Immergut used some of the things that the president said against him in her order, preventing the troops from mobilizing there. And I think these types of statements are -- will be used against him in Illinois as well. He's undercutting his own legal theories that his team is trying to advance.

SIDNER: I want to read you an amicus brief that was filed by former state governors. These are both Democratic governors and Republican governors, former governors, to support the state of Illinois. Here's a bit of it. That -- it says, "the president's assertion of authority to deploy military troops on domestic soil, based on his unreviewable discretion, and without the cooperation and coordination of state authorities, threatens to upset the delicate balance of state and federal authority that underlies our constitutional order." This is, they are saying, about state's rights. Is that how you read it?

KRISSOFF: Absolutely. I mean this -- this whole episode really displays the tension between state's rights and the federal government here. The president is basically saying, listen, I should be able to do this because I can do what I want. And he's sort of trying to jam it within the federal framework here within the legal framework. But it's going to be very hard for him to do so.

SIDNER: Yes, the last time that -- well, 1992, the Insurrection Act was used, and he's talking about doing that again. But again, back then, when the Guard was deployed to California, the California governor wanted it, accepted it, and agreed with the president at that time.

So, we will see what happens in court. There are two cases that are heading off today.

Sarah Krissoff, thank you so much. Appreciate your expertise.

John.

BERMAN: So, very shortly, an appeals court is set to hear arguments that could determine the legality of the National Guard deployments in Portland. One Portland city councilor is now asking more members of the military to speak out against the deployments. Councilor Mitch Green, who is an Army veteran, joins us now.

Counselor, thanks so much for being with us.

What exactly are you calling on members of the military, both current and former, to do?

MITCH GREEN, CITY OF PORTLAND COUNCILOR: Thanks, John, for having me.

Very specifically, I'm calling on members of the military to remember their oath of service, which is to the Constitution above all else and not to a specific president. And I know when I was serving, I remember being told very clearly that there are times where you may be given an order that is not in accordance with the Constitution and you'll have to make a choice.

BERMAN: If this appeals court today rules that the deployment is legal, are you suggesting that the National Guard troops in Portland don't obey commands?

GREEN: I am suggesting that the National Guard troops exercised their due rights to think about the situation we're in. We know that the president is an authoritarian, and he continues to test the constitutional order of our country. He's trying to institute authoritarian regime by threatening cities and localities with deployments of other state's troops.

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And so, I would very much hope that soldiers consider the orders that they receive and consider refusing, understanding that there are consequences of doing so. But the Constitution itself is on the line.

BERMAN: It -- but -- but judges, especially federal judges, rule on the Constitution. So, again, I don't know how the judge is going to rule, but if the judge is -- if the appeals court rules that it's legal, what then?

GREEN: Every single soldier, every single airman or Marine Corps person is -- is still a person with rights. And in the moment we're in, in history, you always get to choose. And it is certainly a legal risk. And those -- whether or not your decision to obey or not obey is always going to be tested after the fact. You still get to make a choice. And so, I know that there are many veterans out there who are thinking about the moment we're in and look at this administration as making a mockery, frankly, of our armed forces and our Constitution.

BERMAN: During your time in the service, did you ever disobey orders?

GREEN: I did not. I was not placed with the gravity of the situation we're in right now.

BERMAN: I do want to play for you, because the secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, made a trip to Portland earlier this week. And again, you represent downtown Portland. This is something you are intimately familiar with and aware of. I want you to listen to what she had to say.

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KRISTI NOEM, DHS SECRETARY: I was in Portland yesterday and had the chance to visit with the governor of Oregon and also the mayor there in town. And they are absolutely covering up the terrorism that is hitting their streets. These leaders in these local cities, along with Pritzker and Johnson,

ignore what's going on or, sir, they're helping Antifa cover it up.

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BERMAN: What's your reaction to that, Councilor?

GREEN: Well, I will just say this. When Kristi Noem visits our city to lie to the American people about the conditions on the ground, make no mistake, what she's faced with are protesters who are dressed in frog suits, chicken suits, who are, frankly, mocking her presence, because that's the level of respect that she deserves. This administration will not be able to cow Portlanders into submitting to his deeply undemocratic program. And I'm very proud of Portlanders for standing up against him.

BERMAN: All right, Councilor Mitch Green, from Portland. Again, we await this appeals court hearing, and maybe a decision as soon as today. Thank you for your time.

Kate.

BOLDUAN: So, more frustration for travelers this morning triggered by the government shutdown. Delays at major hubs due to staffing shortages. We are tracking where.

And speaking of the government shutdown, tempers are flaring on Capitol Hill. At least three confrontations among lawmakers playing out in full public view in the halls of Congress.

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REP. MIKE LAWLER (R-NY): On fraud.

REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES (D-NY): You're not going to talk to me and talk over me --

LAWLER: And non-New York residents getting paid.

JEFFRIES: Because you don't want to hear what I have to say.

LAWLER: Oh, I'm listening. Go ahead.

JEFFRIES: So, why don't you just keep your mouth shut.

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