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JASMINE WRIGHT, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, NOTUS: That people could view what they're doing on the ground, even though they're not actually allowed to do these localized crime-deterrent things, as an overreach, right?

And that is a political risk for the White House. But they say that they are going to continue these efforts across America because they believe that they legally have the leg to stand on and that people want to see their communities with less crime. And so that is where they're making their argument.

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"CNN NEWS CENTRAL" starts right now.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN HOST: A major step closer to a cease-fire, Israel and Hamas agreeing to phase one of a deal that could lead to the end of the bloodshed in Gaza. What we're learning about the details and we bring you reaction from around the world.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN HOST: Members of the Texas National Guard begin their mission in Chicago, as Illinois officials wage a legal battle to keep them out. We're following the showdowns playing out in courtrooms right now.

And a Republican blaming Republicans for the showdown -- the shutdown, I should say, pointing the finger at her own party for the standoff. And there's still no solution in sight.

We're following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to CNN NEWS CENTRAL.

SANCHEZ: We begin this hour live at the White House, where President Donald Trump is in a Cabinet meeting taking questions. Let's listen.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: They asked me to speak at the Knesset, and I will -- I have agreed to. If they would like me to, I will do it.

It's the first time a president has ever done that, so that makes it very interesting, right? But, yes, so I will do it if they want me to. They have asked me to do it. Thank you.

QUESTION: Families of the hostages are all out in the streets in Israel, dancing and crying tears of joy.

TRUMP: They're all dancing in the streets right now. They're dancing in the streets. They're so happy. Everybody's happy. They're dancing in the streets of Arab countries, Muslim countries. I have never seen anything like it. Everybody is happy. It's been really amazing. Thank you.

QUESTION: President Trump, on the international peacekeeping force that's going to deploy to Gaza soon, do you expect that Pakistan, Turkey, other countries to contribute to the forces? Has that become firmed up?

And also, on the shutdown, it seems like in the House there's a majority support for a temporary extension of the Obamacare subsidies, perhaps minus the funds for illegal immigrants. Is that how you see the deal to end the shutdown happening?

TRUMP: Well, I see the deal just getting extended as we continue to talk. But we're willing to pay because we're paying. It's very simple. We're paying. And the Democrats are the ones that caused this problem. And it's a big problem for them. And they have a lot of break in their ranks.

But so I see that. I think that will get worked out. But we want to get back before we do this. We don't want to have a gun held to our head. We don't like that. And the public doesn't like it either. So we want to get back. And I think it's going to work out. I think it's going to work out very well. It's something that shouldn't have happened.

This was supposed to take place before the election. This was supposed to take place on September 28, before the election. We shouldn't even be talking about this right now. This is actually something that shouldn't have even happened.

Yes, please.

QUESTION: Mr. President, looking ahead, what guarantees Hamas disarms and that Israel doesn't resume bombing once the hostages are released?

TRUMP: Well, the first thing we're doing is getting our hostages back, OK? And that's what people wanted more than anything else. They wanted these hostages back that have lived in hell like nobody has ever even dreamt possible.

And after that, we will see. But they have agreed to things. And I think it's going to move along pretty well.

QUESTION: But what is phase two? When does it begin?

TRUMP: Well, I'm not going to talk about that, because you sort of know what phase two is. But we will -- there will be disarming. There will be pullbacks. There will be a lot of things that are happening. You know, I gave you a whole list of 22 different things that we will happen, will take place.

And I think it will take place. And I think you can end up with peace in the Middle East. But we have to get our hostages back. And we weren't going to do it at the end. We're going to do it at the beginning. We said, we want them at the -- we're not doing -- we got the hostages back. We did, as a group with Steve and Jared and Marco and me and all of us. We got the hostages back. We got many of them back.

Many, unfortunately, were dead. But we got many back that are now living with their families, with their parents in many cases, and with their husbands, families, wives. Many of them, they celebrate all of them. They're the ones that are celebrating the loudest. They're all over. There were a lot of them that we got out.

But the last 20 -- and I always said the last ones are going to be the most difficult. But it's been a very big deal, getting the hostages out. But the rest is going to take place too.

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QUESTION: And can you promise Palestinians they will be able to stay?

TRUMP: Well, they know exactly what we're doing. We're going to create something where people can live. You can't live right now in Gaza. The place is a -- it's a horrible situation. Nobody's ever seen anything like it.

So, yes, we're going to create better conditions for people.

Yes, please.

QUESTION: Mr. President, excuse me. What kind of security guarantees is the United States going to make for Gaza?

TRUMP: Well, we're going to work with very wealthy countries that love people, frankly. I know them very well. They love people, but they love Arab people and they love Muslims and they love -- they love -- I think, right now, they love everybody.

And they're immensely wealthy and they're going to be involved in putting up money. And for them, it's a small amount of money. For somebody else, it's a large amount of money. But these are the wealthiest countries in the world, and they will be very much involved in making it as good as possible.

QUESTION: And what's your take now on a two-state solution, sir, just to follow up on that?

TRUMP: What?

QUESTION: What is your view now on a two-state solution for the...

TRUMP: I don't have a view. I'm going to go with what they agreed to.

QUESTION: Mr. President, given that there are some tough provisions for Israel in this agreement, are you at all concerned that Bibi Netanyahu may not continue in his post and be deposed?

TRUMP: Yes, Bibi may be -- go a little bit out of whack.

QUESTION: But he -- that he may no longer be prime minister when this over?

TRUMP: I -- look, that's politics. It could be. I don't know. I think he's very popular right now. He's much more popular today than he was five days ago, I can tell you.

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TRUMP: Right now, maybe people shouldn't run against him. Five days ago, it might not have been a bad idea. No, Bibi's become -- this has been a very good thing. I don't think he did it for that reason, OK?

But I think, just looking as an analyst would look at this, I just -- I think it's been -- I think Bibi should be very popular right now.

Yes, please.

QUESTION: What will happen if Hamas says that it cannot locate or was not able to find all of the deceased hostages' bodies within the time frame?

TRUMP: Well, we will have to see. I think that's going to be -- it's largely been answered. We know where most of them are. Actually, the bodies are a bigger problem, because some of the bodies are going to be a little bit hard to find. It's a terrible thing to discuss even.

But you understand. We're all people. We have grown up, so we understand life. Nobody can understand this stuff because -- that this could have taken place. But we have the hostages for the most part. And so I don't think it's going to be overly big.

The situation with the bodies, they say 20, 28. Some are going to be a little bit hard to find. But we're going to do the best we can. Yes, please. Behind you.

QUESTION: If they don't have -- find them within the time frame.

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TRUMP: Yes, please.

QUESTION: Thank you, sir.

Regarding Jared Kushner's role in the negotiations, can you explain a little bit about why he came on at the last minute? And then, in regards to the WIC program that the vice president mentioned, do you know when the funding that you promised through the tariff revenue will actually go through to communities? Because there's reports that WIC providers are actually starting to close down today.

TRUMP: Well, OK, let me just answer the Jared. So Jared is a very smart guy. He did the Abraham Accords. Some people say the Abraham, which I love for what that sounds.

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TRUMP: But he did the Abraham Accords. It was a great thing. Four big countries joined. If I were president, if the election would have been a correct election, which it wasn't, you would have every country in there. Maybe even Iran would have been in there, frankly. But you would have every country in there.

And now, by the way, that's going to be filled up rather quickly. People want to join the Abraham Accords. And I put Jared there because he's a very smart person and he knows the region, knows the people, knows a lot of the players. And the combination of him and Steve Witkoff and Marco and Cooper, who has -- I hear he's been fantastic, and others that were involved

J.D. was very much involved. I mean, we had a very smart group of people working. This was -- we had a lot of different players, different countries, and very diverse countries, very different from each other. They had certain things in common, but they had a lot of things, mostly things that were not at all common to their country.

So we had a very smart group of people. These are high-I.Q. people, OK? You and I talk about how many low-I.Q. people we have in our government. We have got some real low ones, but -- some shockingly low. But these are very high-I.Q. people. And that's what we want. I like high-I.Q. people.

QUESTION: Mr. President, thank you.

Can I ask you about the -- China? You're meeting with President Xi. The Chinese have now set to put in new export controls on rare earth minerals. And they have stopped buying soybeans from the U.S.

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What do you hope to get out of that meeting now with President Xi?

TRUMP: Well, we will see.

I mean, I just heard this a little while ago before we came in, so I haven't been briefed on it. The export -- look, we have the ultimate export. We have import, and we have export. We import from China massive amounts, and maybe we will have to stop doing that. But I don't know exactly what it is. Neither do you. Neither does anybody. It's a little bit soon.

I just heard about it. So Scott and Howard will figure that out, and I'm sure we will be able to handle it.

QUESTION: Can I ask you about the soybeans? What is the plan to help farmers? Is it direct checks? Is it tax? Have you sorted that out yet?

TRUMP: Well, what happens with soybeans is, we're going to see more and more, I think, opening up and part of the reason that we will be discussing. He's got things that he wants to discuss with me. And I have things that I want to discuss with him, and one of the things is soybeans.

I had a great deal with China where they would buy $50 billion worth of our farm product and manufacturing and other things, but farm product. And it was going along well. Then, when the election turned out to be a rigged election, and we had the wrong guy get in there, he didn't do anything about it.

I used to call up President Xi every two weeks, or I'd call up people in China, say, you got to keep going. You're not buying the amount that you agree to. And this went on for -- ever since we signed agreement. It was a great agreement. So they used to do $15 billion, and I got it up to $50 billion, 50. And it was great.

Then, when Biden got in, they just never adhered to the agreement, and nobody in Biden's group, as you can imagine, did anything about it. So it just sat there for four years, and they didn't adhere to the agreement. And we -- it's hard to go back after four years of nobody calling them. But I used to call them every two weeks.

I'd say, you're a little low, or I appreciate it. And, oftentimes, I'd say, thank you very much. You are totally adhering to the agreement. But we had an agreement they would buy $50 billion worth of our product, mostly farm product. And the farm -- remember I said to the farmers, buy larger tractors and more land. And that's exactly what happened. They did well.

But we do suffer. I'd like you to discuss that maybe for a second, Brooke, very quickly, by the way.

BROOKE ROLLINS, U.S. SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE: Sure. Yes, sir.

But would you just talk about how Biden let us down? Biden -- every single thing, every problem the farmer has is because Biden didn't do anything for four years. Go ahead.

ROLLINS: No, I think that's right. This president has been unequivocal in his support of the farmers.

First of all, in terms one, we worked on it so hard and opened up markets, but especially this term. But here's what everyone has to understand. The farm economy is in a very...

SANCHEZ: We have been listening in on a Cabinet meeting that President Trump is hosting at the White House right now, the president answering questions from reporters about this agreement between Israel and Hamas, phase one of a deal that would lead to a cease-fire, the release of hostages.

Right now, Israel's Security Cabinet is meeting to vote on phase one of the president's plan. He said that people right now are celebrating in the streets. He talked about potentially being invited to speak to Israel's legislative body, the Knesset. He said that it would be the first time for a U.S. president, something he would be honored to do.

He was also asked about potential guarantees that have been made for both sides, specifically whether Hamas would relinquish control of its arms and political control of the enclave. He said he does not want to talk about phase two, but he believes that it will happen. He said the principal thing is getting the hostages out.

As for the timing of that, here's what the president said earlier during this meeting.

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TRUMP: We secured the release of all of the remaining hostages, and they should be released on Monday or Tuesday. Getting them is a complicated process. I'd rather not tell you what they have to do to get them.

There are places you don't want to be, but we are getting the hostages back on Tuesday, Monday or Tuesday, and that will be a day of joy.

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SANCHEZ: The president reiterated potential plans to visit the Middle East this weekend. Of course, it's important to point out this is phase one of a broader deal, a lot of remaining questions, Brianna.

KEILAR: Certainly.

So let's talk about where the cease-fire plan goes now with former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Joel Rubin.

Joel, let's first start with the hostages, I think, as everyone's holding their breath, right, for Monday or Tuesday, as the president outlined there. And he was asked, what if Hamas is not able to find all of the bodies in the amount of time designated? This is a big question right now.

JOEL RUBIN, FORMER U.S. ASSISTANT DEPUTY SECRETARY OF STATE: Well, it is because Hamas doesn't control every single person. There are other splinter groups. There are other fashions, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, for example, that have taken hostages and bodies as well.

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But Hamas is responsible for coordinating. There is a deadline. They did sign up to it, and they do need to deliver. And so I think there will be a little bit of wiggle room, but not a lot. They need to all come out.

KEILAR: What did you think about what you heard from him there in that Cabinet meeting? He's vague on a lot of things. He has an interest in preserving this progress, no doubt. What did you think?

RUBIN: Well, Brianna, we have had cease-fires before and then they didn't lead to anything.

And I think what's different now is that this is the final cease-fire regarding hostage releases. This is the one that should close that open wound that Israel feels. And from that now, there's a chance to pivot to longer-term solutions, more stability, more security for the Palestinians and for the Israelis. That's new.

And so I do think the president's right to be a little cautious on proclaiming peace in our time and that everything is resolved. He's focusing on the immediate. That needs to get done. But once that's done, we are in a very new dynamic.

KEILAR: What does that look like when we look at the next steps?

RUBIN: Yes.

KEILAR: Because there is a lot of work to be done about what this looks like after the cease-fire, Trump saying Gaza will be slowly redone, some vague discussion of what the security situation is going to look like.

RUBIN: Well, it's going to be incredibly complicated, not just on the ground, but politically, inside of Israel and amongst the Palestinians as well, because Hamas is still there.

And for there to be real progress in Gaza, they have to go. They can't have a leadership role. They can't control the money flow. But you need money from the Gulf states and elsewhere to rebuild. And so this next phase of how to move Hamas out, that's crucial. It's not been defined, but it is certainly a goal.

And all the countries that signed up to this process, they know that that has to happen if they're going to see any better future for the Palestinians.

KEILAR: How do the Gulf states work to ensure that?

RUBIN: Yes.

Well, we have got diverse Gulf states in this issue as well, right? We have Qatar that came in late and really put pressure on Hamas to release hostages. We have the UAE, which has peace with Israel, Saudi Arabia behind the scenes, the big behemoth that may be sort of the white whale for peace with Israel.

All of them in the Gulf Cooperation Council have to work together as a unified body. And this is where American diplomacy matters. And it's very important to point this out. We should not and cannot walk away. We have to continue to engage, engage all of these players on a repetitive, consistent, structured basis to get all of these answers done.

Otherwise, we're going to see it fall apart and we're going to see the parties go back to their corners.

KEILAR: Trump told FOX last night that the administration is forming a Council of Peace to maintain a lasting end to the conflict.

RUBIN: Yes.

KEILAR: It appears to be this reference to the Board of Peace included in the 20-point plan from last month. What are the most crucial questions that you have about how that is

going to be run and how that will work for U.S. diplomacy?

RUBIN: Well, it's going to be the ultimate question of governance. Who is making the decisions for the Palestinians? Will it be a Palestinian Authority? Will it be some other entity? And how will they interact with this board of governors, this international entity to attract and bring an investment and provide security guarantees for Israel, so that Israel does not feel the need to go back in and resurface this war?

But I think ultimately the governance questions and the Palestinian leadership outside of Hamas, that's the most crucial question.

KEILAR: Joel Rubin, thank you so much for being with us at this critical point.

RUBIN: Thanks, Brianna.

KEILAR: We appreciate it.

And still ahead, we will go live to both Portland and Chicago, as local officials in those cities try to block President Trump from deploying National Guard troops there, judges hearing the arguments in the cases. And we have some new updates from court.

Plus, Republican lawmakers losing one of their most outspoken members in the shutdown fight on their messaging. Why Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene says she blames her own party for the standoff.

And a Texas court just blocked the execution of Robert Roberson, the father convicted of killing his daughter in a case of shaken baby syndrome. How the court reached its decision and what Roberson told CNN leading up to his scheduled execution.

We have these important stories and more all coming up this hour on CNN NEWS CENTRAL.

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SANCHEZ: We have new details in each of the legal battles over President Trump's National Guard deployments in Oregon and Illinois.

First to Chicago. U.S. Northern Command tells CNN that members of the Texas National Guard have begun their stated mission of protecting ICE and other U.S. government personnel in the area. We have also learned that a small group of California Guard members are now on the ground in Illinois to assist with training.

CNN's Omar Jimenez is outside this ICE facility near Chicago.

Omar, what are you seeing on the ground and what are you hearing from folks there? OMAR JIMENEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, so we have been out here for

hours at this point.

When we first got here this morning, we did see members of the Texas National Guard sort of walking back and forth in front of the ICE facility that's basically down the block behind me here, which is significant because, although we saw them at the Army Reserve center even further outside of Chicago, this is the first time we have seen them outside actual federal facilities.

And we are very near to Chicago, even if we're still outside of it. And while all of this has been going on, we have been monitoring a very crucial court hearing right now where we are hearing oral arguments between the federal Trump administration and local and state leaders over whether this deployment is even legal.

And while cameras aren't allowed inside, we do have a producer inside who's been sending notes. And one of the critical reasons this is important is because we can actually get some more insight from the DOJ and from the Trump administration as to what they are thinking and how they would like to employ these National Guard troops.

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For example, Judge Perry asked the DOJ if the location of the Guardsmen would not be limited to just certain locations like federal property, asking, could it be in neighborhoods or around schools? And the DOJ attorney said that that is possible if that means protecting federal agents or property.

Another aspect, the judge asked will this be to help solve crime in Chicago? Because some of the implications from the outside is that this would help get some of Chicago's crime issues more under control. And the DOJ attorney said: "Certainly, to an extent. The mission, again, is a federal protective one."

So, while this hearing is still ongoing, it does seem to be that the DOJ at least in court is sticking to the idea that the Guardsmen may be mobile, but that it may be under, again, that umbrella of protecting federal personnel and property.

Now, again, we have seen federal agents at many points of the city. One of the biggest criticisms, at least in the Chicago area, has come over how federal immigration enforcement has taken place across various parts of the city, whether it be in an apartment unit on the South Side of the city or jumping out of vehicles in predominantly immigrant neighborhoods and taking people off the street, just the manner that they're doing it.

So could some of those operations see some Guard enforcement? That seems to be the implication here. But, again, this is what the judge is weighing to see what this will actually look like, even though we do know, both visually and from Northern Command, that the troops are now deployed on their official mission in the area.

SANCHEZ: Omar Jimenez live for us in Illinois, thank you so much -- Brianna.

KEILAR: Let's go to Portland, Oregon, where the court battle over President Trump's push to deploy troops there just wrapped up.

We have CNN's Shimon Prokupecz on the ground for us.

Shimon, what happened in court?

SHIMON PROKUPECZ, SENIOR CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, so this is the appeals court now, right? There's this stay. There's a TRO here, and they're asking for -- the federal government here is asking for a stay.

And essentially the argument that the government here is making, that the facility that I'm standing in front of here, they need military resources because the officials, the federal law enforcement that have been here, it's not enough, and they're strained, and they need the military now, which would be the National Guard, to come in and help with some of those resources.

And it seems -- certainly, the state here in Oregon, the attorney for the state is arguing that it's not necessary, that things have actually quieted down here, that the local officials and that the federal officials that were brought here from the outside by the Biden administration to help secure this facility has been enough.

But a lot of the arguments seem to be based on what has happened -- what happened here previously, like in September and in the weeks and months before here, where there was an escalation, where there was a higher level of protest and confrontation between federal officials and the protesters.

But in the last few weeks, things did calm down. Things did get better out here, and only started to escalate after the president came out and said that they were going to be bringing -- wanted to bring National Guard here, when more attention was being brought to this facility because of what the president was saying.

Before that, things had calmed down. But now, certainly, there's been some escalation, but not to the level that was seen last month or the previous months. And that's what the state is arguing. They're saying it's just not necessary at this point. And the judges had a lot of questions about whether or not what happened here previously and that whether or not what could happen here should the National Guard be brought here because of that.

But out here right now, like, we're not seeing any protests. We're not seeing any level of -- high level of protests even in the evening. So, for now, the judges said they're considering everything. And it's going to take some time for them to make their decision, perhaps, and we will know soon maybe what the president will ultimately be allowed to do and whether we will see National Guard troops here.

KEILAR: All right, Shimon, thank you so much live for us from Portland, Oregon. And next: It's a case that's gotten nationwide attention for decades.

Did this man kill his 2-year-old child or not? One week before he was set to be executed, a Texas court just stepped in to block it. We have CNN's Ed Lavandera sitting down with him for an interview.

We will have that next.

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