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SARA SIDNER, CNN ANCHOR: All right. This morning, in his quest to deploy the National Guard to more American cities, President Trump has made a series of new claims this week as he threatens to invoke the Insurrection Act.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's allowed, as you know, as president. Like, 50 percent of the presidents have used the Insurrection Act -- they could use that. And everybody agrees you're allowed to use that and there's no more court cases. There's no more anything. We're trying to do it in a nicer manner, but we can always use the Insurrection Act if we want.

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SIDNER: CNN's Daniel Dale fact-checking the president's latest comments this morning. Daniel, let's go through his claims one by one.

First, does invoking the Insurrection Act mean court cases would simply go away?

DANIEL DALE, CNN SENIOR REPORTER: It absolutely does not.

So the Insurrection Act is an old law -- really, a collection of 18th century and 19th century laws that allows the president to deploy both National Guard and active-duty troops to U.S. states if certain very vague conditions are met, and to have those troops perform the domestic law enforcement duties from which they're normally prohibited. So it's a broad law. It's a powerful law.

It does not shut down the courts in general. They would continue functioning. Nor does it mean that even lawsuits about the president's position to invoke the Insurrection Act would not be heard by the courts.

I spoke to legal experts who said courts would certainly hear such lawsuits. That lawsuits would almost inevitably come and be heard. Now they did emphasize that such lawsuits would be likely difficult for challengers to win given how sweeping and how deferential to the president these old laws are. You can read more on my article on cnn.com.

There's also an 1827 Supreme Court precedent that suggests that the president alone has the authority to decide whether the conditions are met and necessary to deploy the "militia" to U.S. states. But there's a debate about how directly that precedent applies to the current situation under Trump. And again, those issues would be hashed out by the courts in the courts. It's not like the courts would not consider them at all.

SIDNER: Yeah. We're seeing the deployments being hashed out in the courts as well. Trump winning his appeal to send troops to Portland.

Let me also ask you about something that he said about a president invoking the act 28 times and that about 50 percent of presidents have used it. Is there any truth in those two statements?

DALE: Both of those are wrong as well.

So I looked into the 28 times thing. New York University's Brennan Center for Justice did some research in 2022 and found that no president had invoked the act more than Ulysses S. Grant in the 1870s. That was six times -- nowhere close to 28 -- amid white supremacists. Violence after the Civil War.

The act, in total, has been invoked about 30 times in American history since -- again, no president even close to 28 times.

The Brennan Center also found that 17 of the 45 men who have served as president had invoked the act or one of its precursor laws. That's about 38 percent. So President Trump's "like 50 percent" is at least a slight exaggeration.

SIDNER: Daniel Dale, it's always good to have you. Thank you so much for that fact-check this morning -- John.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: This morning the swirling ethical questions as President Trump says he could be seeking $230 million from the Justice Department to compensation for past investigations into him. The details are still unclear.

But the president, yesterday, did acknowledge how unparalleled this would be, calling it awfully strange to make a decision to pay himself, although he didn't say he would make that decision.

With us now CNN political commentators Paul Begala and Scott Jennings.

Paul, first to you. We talked about the legal implications with Elie Honig a little bit earlier, but just how are the politics of this?

PAUL BEGALA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST (via Webex by Cisco): Well, the guy ought to just rent one of those ladder trucks they used at the Louvre and just back it up to Fort Knox and just loot the place. I mean, it's insane.

David Kirkpatrick in the New Yorker has estimated that Donald Trump has made $3.4 billion since he became president. That's only 275 days ago. That's even more than a big-shot CNN anchor makes, John Berman.

It's insane, it's indefensible, and it's borderline looting. I mean, the guy is making money hand over fist. Meanwhile, most Americans can't make ends meet.

He got elected because the cost of living was too high. Hamburger is $6.35 a pound. It's the highest in the history of hamburger. Vegetables, if you like those things, are up 40 percent at the wholesale level because of his tariff and deportation policies.

So he's making the cost of living go way, way up for you and he's talking about taking another $230 million -- this time from the taxpayers?

BERMAN: Scott Jennings, the White House and the president sometimes watch you on TV. If you were giving advice to them about what to do with this -- these two separate claims for money from the federal government there by taxpayers -- what would you advise them to do now?

SCOTT JENNINGS, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR, FORMER SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Well, first of all, if I may, some broad overstatements from Mr. Begala.

Number one, the president, just like any other citizen, has a right to redress the Department of Justice if he thinks he's been damaged. These claims he made were in 2023 and 2024 when he was not the president. That's number one.

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Number two, he said in his press conference yesterday he doesn't know anything about it, and he obviously acknowledged the unusual situation. Number three, he said he doesn't want money. Number four, he said if he got any he would give it to charity.

If I were giving them advice my advice would be to say your claims are probably valid, but you need to table it until after you leave office and then let the process play out. That's the correct advice.

BERMAN: You don't think he should be making a decision on it -- Todd Blanche, Pam Bondi?

JENNING: No. My advice would be -- look, I think these claims when you file them are valid and you can say they're valid, but because you're the sitting president and you, yourself, have acknowledged that it's an unusual situation, just table it. You'll be out of office soon and then we'll let the process play out.

BERMAN: I want to shift gears to Paul Ingrassia right now, who had been nominated to lead the office of special counsel. His nomination was withdrawn and he backed off it. The White House now says he will not be nominated anymore.

He, of course -- Politico -- Daniel Lippman, of Politico, wrote this article about how he had all these racist text messages back and forth with a number of people. So again, that nomination withdrawn. But Daniel Lippman, of Politico, reports he still works at the White House as a liaison to the Department of Homeland Security.

How do you feel about this guy having a government job, Scott?

JENNINGS: Well look, I think vetting in personnel is important. I did some of this when I worked for President Bush. Now these were private text messages. These are harder things to unearth in a vetting process, so I'm not quite so -- I'm not surprised, I guess, that it wasn't found.

Look, they're going to have to decide how much water they want to take on over one guy.

BERMAN: Should he be in the White -- should he -- should he have a White House job?

JENNINGS: I think they need to have a hard conversation with him. And I think it was wise for them to pull the nomination down. And honestly, I think it was good that the Republican senators immediately signaled to the White House -- like, listen, you know, we go out on a lot of limbs here and we carry a lot of water for you, but this one is not a necessarily pail for us.

BERMAN: This was the Senate killing that nomination.

Any quick thought on that, Paul, before I get to another issue connected to Nazis?

BEGALA: Yeah. I'm not sure what it is about him that Mr. Trump finds so attractive. He did described himself -- and he might have been joking but still he described himself as having a Nazi streak. He said really racist things about Chinese people, about Indians, about Martin Luther King.

So it's really outrageous. I don't understand the appeal that this guy has for our president.

BERMAN: Again, I was saying connected to Nazis because that came up in the text messages that Paul Ingrassia sent. That word was there.

And Paul, you know there is a Senate primary brewing in the state of Maine -- a really important one because Democrats desperately want to pick up this Senate seat that Susan Collins has held forever there. They always think she's vulnerable and then she turns out not to be.

But this time there's a primary between Graham Platner, who is an oyster farmer and former Marine, and the governor -- the Democratic Governor Janet Mills.

So Platner has had a whole bunch of things about things he's posted on Reddit in the past. And now it turns out that there's video of him with a tattoo that he got that has connections somehow to Nazis. I won't get into the specifics there but even he acknowledges that there are people who see the connection there. This is how he explained how he ended up with that tattoo on Pod Save America.

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GRAHAM PLATNER, (D) MAINE SENATE CANDIDATE: We went ashore in Split, Croatia -- myself and a few of the other machine gun squad leaders -- and we got very inebriated. And we did what Marines on liberty do and we decided to go get a tattoo. And we went to a tattoo parlor in Split, Croatia and we chose a terrifying looking skull and crossbones off the wall because we were Marines and, you know, skulls and crossbones are a pretty standard military thing.

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BERMAN: He says he didn't know at the time it had Nazi connections. He says ever since he's been screened a few times and it had never come up. But now that he knows, he may get it covered up, Paul.

How do you feel about this for a candidate who is running in this crucial seat for Democrats?

BEGALA: Yeah. I mean, it's pretty shocking and some of the messages that have been unearthed from him are pretty shocking. He does have actually pretty good answers -- better than this guy in the White House -- which is I was a Marine.

He also has talked about struggling with PTSD and depression, which is really important. By the way, side note. Mr. Trump is cutting thousands of positions at the VA, including the psychiatrists and psychologists who are treating our veterans.

So this is why you have primaries. You know, Janet Mills, the very popular governor, was a huge get for the Democrats. She's going to run for that Senate seat as well.

My view is I'm a long way from Maine. Let them run. This is why we have primaries. We don't have all the facts yet. And the people of Maine are going to decide and, you know, I'm totally comfortable with that. I like having an insurgent outsider. I also like having a really popular governor run. So let's put them on the track and let them go.

BERMAN: Scott?

JENNINGS: Well, if you've seen the online discourse around this candidacy this guy is the favorite of the radical left base of the Democratic Party. They are standing by him despite the fact he has a literal Nazi tattoo on his chest, and he's made abhorrent comments in some of these Reddit threads that he's been involved in.

They are unwilling to walk away from it because they want the candidates who are the most radical and the most progressive, and they are willing to put up with Nazi symbolism and other terrible remarks because of it. This is their guy. I don't think they're going to walk away from him.

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Paul's right. The popular Mills, you know, I guess is going to be in this primary.

But look online this morning. Look at your friends this morning, Paul. Look what they're saying about this guy. They want the Democratic Party to stand next to him because they think he's the bigger fighter. He's the not establishment guy and they're willing to overlook the Nazi stuff over it. I don't know.

BERMAN: We will see what happens there.

Scott Jennings, Paul Begala --

BEGALA: But -- no, that's a good point. But there is -- there's the Twitter elite and then there's voters, and voters have a lot more sense.

BERMAN: We will see what the voters say if it goes to them.

Paul Begala, Scott Jennings, thanks both -- Kate.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Also new this morning day 22 of the government shutdown is impacting, well, everything from air travel to federal work -- the federal workforce, and lots of federal programs in between, now including the CDC's ability to monitor viruses at a time when public health staffing is already reduced and respiratory virus season is now upon us.

CNN's Meg Tirrell is taking a look at this. You noted this just the other day to me.

MEG TIRRELL CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah.

BOLDUAN: This is not only a thing now, it is going to become even more of a thing. What is the impact?

TIRRELL: Yeah. I mean, we rely on these data. As a health journalist I look at them all the time. These are typically updated weekly. And especially as we get into COVID and flu season --

BOLDUAN: Yeah.

TIRRELL: -- this is really important.

One epidemiologist actually referred to this outage as like a traffic outage. You know, not being able to see what's going on on a national level.

So these are some of the examples of CDC data that aren't being updated. You can see they were last updated at the end of September.

So this respiratory illnesses data channel -- this is really helpful. On a weekly basis they update what's going on with E.R. visits for COVID, flu, and RSV (Respiratory Syncytial Virus). We're also not getting updates on wastewater monitoring and that's a

really great passive system to see how much virus is out there in wastewater for a number of different pathogens.

BOLDUAN: Yeah.

TIRRELL: And also, flu view. This is a weekly update on what's happening with flu. We are not getting that either. The last update was for the week ending September 20.

So there is concern that there is not national coordination of this data as we get into flu and COVID-RSV season. States are still collecting the data.

BOLDUAN: OK.

TIRRELL: And importantly, RSV, in particular -- we tend to see that start in the south and then move to the rest of the country. And we are seeing Florida -- for example, you can see in a number of counties there -- the darker color -- RSV activity is starting to increase.

But one of the problems here is even though the states are reporting this, typically you might see other states sort of looking to the CDC's coordination of that data --

BOLDUAN: Yeah.

TIRRELL: -- maybe using that to model their own potential trends and get hospitals ready. Figure out what to do. And we're not seeing that right now. And so it's fairly concerning that we're not getting these updates from the CDC.

BOLDUAN: Yeah. For states and localities it's about preparation. It's not -- being reactionary is not a way to get it in front of any kind of outbreak/season.

Is everything on pause? Like, what is the CDC still communicating about?

TIRRELL: So that's really interesting. We are still getting measles updates and so we're actually expecting one today. You can see it's been especially bad -- historically bad year for measles. It was really bad in the spring when we had that big Texas outbreak.

BOLDUAN: Yeah.

TIRRELL: But now we have several active outbreaks going on right now in Arizona and Utah, South Carolina. We're having a press conference later today. We expect an update there.

So we are still getting weekly measles data from the CDC, but as we get into flu season a big concern is we're not seeing that on a national level.

BOLDUAN: It'll be interesting what the -- I mean, what the CDC says about it and how they can make a change. The federal government has been able to find pockets of money to rework in some regard. I mean, this -- let's see.

It's good to see you.

TIRRELL: You, too.

BOLDUAN: Thank you so much -- Sara.

SIDNER: All right. Thanks, Kate.

New this morning The New York Times reporting that Amazon plans to replace more than half a million jobs with robots. According to internal documents obtained by the Times, the country's second-largest employer hopes to automate 75 percent of its warehouse operations in the coming years. Amazon pushing back, telling CNN the documents don't give a complete picture of its hiring strategy.

Here with me now is CNN tech reporter Clare Duffy. Tell us a little bit more about the plans here because you can see the P.R. nightmare that this could become for Amazon.

CLARE DUFFY, CNN TECH REPORTER: Absolutely, yeah.

According to this New York Times report and these internal documents, Amazon's investments in AI are going to allow it to hire 600,000 fewer humans by 2023 -- 2033, I should say -- despite the fact that they plan to double the amount of products they are selling. Also, as you said, 75 percent of work in those warehouses automated. That is the eventual plan.

And according to The New York Times, Amazon is actually developing comm strategies for how to handle the backlash in these communities where jobs might be lost.

Now, as you said, Amazon says these internal documents paint a misleading picture of its overall hiring strategy. It says it's investing in upscaling and training for employees.

Here's what Amazon spokesperson Kelly Nantel told me. She said, "The materials appear to reflect the perspective of just one team and don't represent our overall hiring strategy across our various operations business lines -- now or moving forward. No company has created more jobs in America over the past decade than Amazon."

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But this is not the first time that we're hearing from Amazon about plans to shrink its workforce because of AI. Amazon CEO Andy Jassy said back in June in a memo to employees that he expects the workforce is going to shrink over time because of the efficiency gains from AI.

And I think based on my conversations with people in the industry what we're likely to see, especially with these tech companies like Amazon, is they just won't have to hire more people. Their growth is going to continue but their headcount is going to stay flat.

And actually, if we look at Amazon's hiring over the last five years you can see this trend. Its number of employees has flattened out but yearly revenue continues to grow. I think that -- in the near term, at least -- is what we're likely to see. But I do think we will start to see in more targeted areas these layoffs that are indicated in this report.

SIDNER: Speaking of Amazon, I want to follow up on AWS. I think a lot of people didn't realize just how many systems that AWS underpins.

What happens if we see an outage like this in the future that AI systems are sort of a hold of?

DUFFY: Yeah, it's a really important question, especially as we're starting to see more of these sort of AI agents take on the work of humans. It does raise the question of what happens if there's an outage that takes out AI that is helping doctors with diagnoses or making financial decisions within companies, especially because unlike traditional websites AI is even more reliant on these cloud computing systems.

So it's something that experts say companies really need to start thinking about how to build that resilience so that you don't have these outages taking out these increasingly critical systems.

SIDNER: Yeah. You can hope that they would build it out with humans but, as you're saying, they're still making money with fewer employees. This is everyone's sort of nightmare actually when you think about it.

Thank you so much, Clare Duffy.

DUFFY: Thank you.

SIDNER: Appreciate your great reporting -- John.

BERMAN: An historic preservation group is trying to pause the demolition on the East Wing of the White House. The National Trust for Historic Preservation says the 90,000 square foot ballroom plans could permanently disrupt the carefully balanced classical design of the White House.

Officers help save a choking baby -- look at that -- and it's all caught on camera.

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BOLDUAN: President Trump is set to travel to Asia this week -- a trip that is, as of now, expected to include a sit-down with Chinese President Xi Jinping. Out of those talks the president is promising, in his words, "a fantastic trade deal." But the real key to any agreement -- any type of agreement on trade may likely come down to one thing: China's dominance of critical rare earth minerals.

Monday, President Trump signed an $8.5 billion deal with Australia, actually, to develop rare earth mineral projects and try to secure U.S. access to more reserves outside of China.

But there is no way around it -- China is king in this space. They have -- these minerals have obscure names, but they are used to power everything from iPhones to electric cars, semiconductors to MRI machines, cancer treatments to a lot of modern defense technology. And China controls just more. I mean, depending on the assessment, between 70 and 90 percent of global output.

Other countries, as you can see in this graph provided by Bloomberg, including Australia, they have some -- just a fraction of China's supply.

Control over these key elements is everything. And Bloomberg, in some new reporting, writes, "China has long recognized its edge when it comes to rare earths. The leader said back in 1992 that 'the Middle East has oil; China has rare earths.'"

Joining me right now is a great reporter on this, Bloomberg's Joe Deaux. It's really good to have you.

My take is this is the most important geopolitical issue that most everyone knows very little about or has a really hard time understanding.

JOE DEAUX, REPORTER, BLOOMBERG: Yeah. I think -- I think what's key for a regular person to understand is that these rare earth minerals and the U.S. chips are the leverage in the China-U.S. trade war right now. And with the U.S. president potentially going over to APEC and to Asia to potentially have this conversation with Xi Jinping this is probably the most important conversation on the table.

BOLDUAN: China's dominance in this market -- I mean, you look at the superlatives that you put in your piece -- and everyone should look at it. I mean, the U.S. has the words -- world's seventh-largest rare earth reserves. Its reserves are four percent --

DEAUX: Yeah.

BOLDUAN: -- of what China has. I mean, you just -- you can keep going down the list of it.

Help people understand just how much China dominates here.

DEAUX: Yeah. I mean, they're the ballgame, right? Like, we have this news out this week that you already mentioned --

BOLDUAN: Um-hum.

DEAUX: -- that the U.S. and Australia are looking for cooperation -- partnership to invest in this space -- you know, $8.5 billion. The point is right now if you are a company that needs rare earth minerals, you're probably getting them from China.

Sure, Lynas in Australia is the big producer of heavies outside of China and the U.S. has MP Materials, which some of your viewers might remember is the company that got a $400 million investment from the DOW, the DOD, or whatever you call it these days. But China dominates.

The reason this money is coming into this space from the United States government, from the EU, and from Australia is because they realize at its core there is a seriousness national security problem.

BOLDUAN: Yeah.

DEAUX: There is a shortage of the materials that the West has.

BOLDUAN: So I'm going to in the weeds -- just dip a toe --

DEAUX: Yeah, let's do it.

BOLDUAN: -- in the weeks if you will because this is something I've been reading about.

So there is this saying that rare earths aren't actually rare --

DEAUX: Right.

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BOLDUAN: -- which is true it seems as I am learning with some. I've been reading about the difference between light and heavy rare earths. The heavies are essential for much, much high tech equipment. And currently, what I've been picking up, is usable deposits in this category exist only in China and Myanmar, accounting for 98 percent of raw supply.

DEAUX: Yeah.

BOLDUAN: Doesn't that suggest that the United States -- Donald Trump walking into these trade talks and slapping tariffs on everything has little leverage?

DEAUX: I mean, this is -- this is really the big discussion, right? Does -- has the president overplayed his hand? And this is the conversation happening in rare earth circles.

BOLDUAN: Yeah.

DEAUX: This is the conversation happening in China-watcher circles, right, which is like are they in a bad position here? We will see.

BOLDUAN: Yeah.

DEAUX: I mean, a part of this, right -- like, three weeks ago we had China ratchet up more export controls of these rare earths coming out of China -- specifically, over machinery used to make permanent magnets and other machinery. This was one of those things that depending on who you talk to, it was either just how serious this has gotten or kind of the leverage that they're using going into the talks.

BOLDUAN: And real quick, the United States wants to make moves here --

DEAUX: Yeah.

BOLDUAN: -- which is important. It's a national security risk.

DEAUX: Right.

BOLDUAN: But the key when you talk about this deal is being made. We're going to look here. We're going to build here. Isn't it just time? Like, none of this --

DEAUX: It's time.

BOLDUAN: -- is a -- is a short lead time.

DEAUX: It's time.

We had a report back out in July that a number of rare earth recycling companies, which aren't really producing anything, met with a group of technology companies that may have included Apple and Microsoft with Peter Navarro and others inside the White House. And the conversation was how can we get rare earth production for permanent magnet-making, which is what --

BOLDUAN: Yeah.

DEAUX: -- rare earths are really used for, as soon as possible?

That conversation and my understanding talking with people was the recognition that going and opening mines, right -- like, oh, we're going to open --

BOLDUAN: Right.

DEAUX: -- these mines and these processing facilities --

BOLDUAN: Drill, baby, drill.

DEAUX: -- it's 15 years, 20 years to get a mine from beginning to end.

The idea is we've got to do this now. We've got to do this in two years, or we've got to do this before Donald Trump's current term is over.

BOLDUAN: Yeah.

DEAUX: And that's the conversation happening right now.

BOLDUAN: A 15-year lead time is not what this trade war can support, it seems.

It's good to see you.

DEAUX: Thanks.

BOLDUAN: Much more to come on this. Thank you so much for your reporting, Joe -- Sara or John. You pick.

BERMAN: I'm John playing the role of Sara this morning.

The Louvre museum is back open after thieves stole an estimated $100 million worth of France's crown jewels -- although the Apollo Gallery, where the heist took place, is closed. The thieves very much still on the run. Eight of the nine pieces stolen are still missing. They did drop one.

Investigators also did recover two scooters the thieves used to get away, and a helmet believed to have been worn by one of them. We'll see if that helps lead to their capture.

This morning Travis Kelce wants to help save Six Flags. The Kansas City Chiefs tight end and a team of investors bought a nine percent stake in Six Flags. A merger last year been Cedar Fair and Six Flags has largely failed to increase attendance at the company's parks. Kelce says the investment is personal. He says he is an -- he is an amusement park lover.

All right. New information about steps, and I'm going to walk around while I tell you this. We've known for a while that the fabled 10,000 steps a day is arbitrary and not necessarily a meaningful target. But now a new study in the British Journal of Sports Medicine finds that for women over 60, which doesn't include me, it is the average number of steps over the week that really matters. The study found that getting about 4,000 steps just a few days a week lowered the risk of heart disease --

BOLDUAN: You don't get to walk.

BERMAN: -- and early death.

SIDNER: I'm --

BERMAN: I just did like 36 steps.

SIDNER: You can walk and talk. We do at least 4,000 on this show every day.

BERMAN: At least the first hour.

BOLDUAN: Have you ever tracked it?

BERMAN: New York police officers --

SIDNER: We should.

BERMAN: -- helped save the life of a 10-month-old baby. It was all caught on camera. The mother called officers when she noticed her baby was vomiting and choking. The baby was OK. He also appeared to be dressed for the occasion. He was wearing police-themed pajamas at the time.

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ASIA RODRIGUEZ, MAKAL'S MOM: God bless them. I hope that whatever blessings that can be offered in life that they are offered it because they did absolutely what they were supposed to do, and my son is here because of them.

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BERMAN: All NYPD officers are required to get certified in first aid and CPR. Everyone, honestly, should take a CPR course -- Sara.

SIDNER: That's so sweet. All right, thank you, John.

In New York, chaos on the city's iconic Canal Street as dozens of ICE agents suddenly appeared and started detaining street vendors there. It happened Tuesday in an area where migrant vendors who sell bootleg counterfeit bags and other items to tourists have long been a fixture.

The raid quickly drawing protests. Video from CNN affiliate WABC showing some people running while others tried to intervene. The NYPD says it was not involved.

Later Tuesday, a small crowd headed to the building that houses ICE offices in New York City. It's become a frequent spot for protests.

In another ICE operation Tuesday -- this one in Los Angeles -- a U.S. marshal and a popular TikTok streamer were injured when an agent opened fire.

CNN's Veronica Miracle has the details for us.