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Closing Arguments in $40 Million Lawsuit by Teacher Shot by Six-year-old; Democrats Dig in on Shutdown After Sweeping Election Wins; Government Shutdown Now Longest in U.S. History; At Least Nine People Confirmed Dead in Kentucky Ups Plane Crash; NTSB Update on Deadly Kentucky UPS Plane Crash Soon; White House Close to Deal for Discount on Obesity Drugs. Aired 1:30-2p ET
Aired November 05, 2025 - 13:30 ET
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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: According to the plaintiffs, she was asked -- Parker was asked whether they should search the boy, search his person, and she said, let's hold off. His mother is going to be here soon to pick him up. There, according to the plaintiff's attorney, she was acknowledging that there was concern of a gun being on campus. But that she did not act and did not get to the bottom of it. Kevin Biniazan told the jurors what he thinks the defense will say to them, but how he thinks they should view the case overall. Take a listen.
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They're going to come up here and tell you hindsight 20/20. Remember that? Hindsight 20/20. It's easy to see now that there was a shooting that we look backwards and now that we know there was a shooting, it's easy to know that looking at our rear view mirror. You don't need to look in the rear view mirror. There were road signs in front of Dr. Parker for an hour and a half screaming at her, flashing at her, telling her exactly what was going to happen if she did not act.
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TODD: And Ebony Parker's attorneys say this was not foreseeable, that no one could fathom that the child could come to school with a gun. Now, as for the award, they're asking for $40 million. If Abigail Zwerner does win the case and wins that award, it would not be Ebony Parker's responsibility to pay it. It would be the school system's insurance carrier who would pay it, and that's kind of how that would play out. And again, we should say that Ebony Parker, even after this case is over, is facing a criminal trial in the same case starting next month. Guys?
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CO-ANCHOR OF "CNN NEWS CENTRAL": Brian Todd, thank you so much for the update there. We will of course watch that closely. So Republicans predicted the government shutdown would end after the election, but new reporting indicates that last night's results are only stiffening resolve among Democrats. That's next.
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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN CO-ANCHOR OF "CNN NEWS CENTRAL": We are now in the middle of the longest government shutdown in American history and it also may be the most damaging that we've ever seen. The Congressional Budget Office now estimates the U.S. will permanently lose between $7 billion and $14 billion because of the shutdown. And Goldman Sachs is projecting GDP growth will fall by 1.15 percentage points in the fourth quarter as pressure is mounting now to end this standoff.
Democrats in Congress are being urged not to fold, especially after their sweeping election wins last night. Progressives on Capitol Hill are now circulating a memo warning that caving without concessions would sap Democrats' momentum and undercut the party's support from its base
With us now from Capitol Hill is Congresswoman Debbie Dingle of Michigan. Congresswoman, thank you so much for being with us. And I'm sure you heard the president's calls today, his takeaway from this election even as progressives are saying, it's that Democrats should stick to their guns on this demand when it comes to the shutdown. The president's takeaway is that in the Senate, they should get rid of the filibuster. I wonder if you are more inclined or less inclined to stand firm on this Obamacare subsidy demand after the election outcome.
REP. DEBBIE DINGLE, (D-MI): Look, this is how I feel. I'm here in Washington right now in the Capitol and we need to be having bipartisan discussions. Republicans need to be here with us at the table. All of us want to see the government reopened, but we now have constituents in our districts that are getting their healthcare premiums for next year, either for the exchange or just from their regular insurance carriers which are terrifying them. I'm getting letter upon letter, email telling me they're not going to have health insurance because they can't afford it next year.
And anybody with a heart or a soul knows how bad the not funding of SNAP is. And even after the president was ordered by two courts to use the money in the contingency fund, said he wasn't going to. This is about people's human lives. I want -- I think we all need to be in Washington working together, worried about affordability for Americans of both their healthcare and feeding hungry people.
KEILAR: There is some bipartisan discussion, right, in the House and the Senate which is something we have not seen. Do you think that's an indication that this could be resolved soon? Do you think that Democrats need to push forward with that?
DINGLE: Look, I think that people -- I talk to my Republican colleagues, but what really needs to be happening is I think the president needs to be talking to the leaders of both the House and the Senate, and figuring out how he's going to protect. When he ran for office, he said he was going to make things more affordable. They have become less affordable. People need to be able to have access to healthcare. I think that's a basic right. So, we all should be talking. We'll see where this is going to go, but we cannot not make sure that people have healthcare. But at the same time, we should not be using people that are working two or three jobs and still below the poverty line, or people that have become disabled or our kids should not be political pawns. We should be making sure that have access to SNAP.
KEILAR: You are the Chair of the Democratic Policy and Communications Committee. You're also never afraid to tell your party leadership kind of how it is, how you're seeing it there in Michigan. And I wonder coming out of this election, do you want to see your party recalibrate its message going into the midterm elections?
DINGLE: Look, this is what I'm going to tell you we learned from yesterday. I know that people are -- I mean we had two very strong winds in both Virginia and in New Jersey.
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And in New York, you know what the message is? He talked about -- Mamdani talked about affordability. He told people he understood their pain. I think the president with his gold all over the White House, the destruction of the East Wing, doesn't understand what working men and women are experiencing. I go to Kroger every weekend, people know I'm going to be there. They bring food, they bring the can and say, how much -- look how much this costs. What are you going to do?
Their utility bills are going up. That's what people want. They want to see us address the affordability of all the issues in their life. That's what I'm telling people. And we need to deliver for them. And healthcare is real. The exchange is open. People are making selections even in businesses where the insurance is provided through that, about what they're going to be able to afford next year. We need to be solving that problem.
KEILAR: Mamdani did talk a lot about affordability. He is also a Democratic socialist and Republicans are thrilled about that and that he was elected. They want to sort of have that hang as an albatross around Democrats' necks kind of nationally. Right? They've called him everything from a communist to a Muslim terrorist. Do you have concerns about Mamdani and the labels that this affords Republicans being used as a weapon against Democrats?
DINGLE: OK. Republicans tried to make Nancy Pelosi the enemy in Europe's past. I'm going to focus on the election of Abigail Spanberger, who is clearly a moderate, as is Mikie Sherrill, both women that had strong military and national intelligence background. What I think the message from last night is, people are worried, people are scared. They are -- cannot afford their groceries. They're worried about their housing costs. They're worried about their utility bills and they're worried about the healthcare.
The Republicans can try to avoid that that's what Americans are feeling. But I am the person that back in 2016 said, we're in trouble as Democrats because we weren't hearing what working men and women were talking about. I know what they're talking about, and affordability is the message of last night.
KEILAR: I remember, walking next to you at a plant outside of Detroit as you were wringing your hands. I remember you being worried about that. Congresswoman Dingle, thank you so much for being with us. Really appreciate it.
DINGLE: Thank you.
KEILAR: A Louisville woman says she was bartending when this happened. A UPS plane crashed so close to her restaurant, she could feel the plane's heat and the ground shaking. She'll be joining us next.
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KEILAR: A Louisville Congressman describes the scene of yesterday's deadly UPS plane crash is apocalyptic. Here is the moment of impact.
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SANCHEZ: Two small businesses were hit, but a restaurant directly in the jet's path was spared from any damage and now, its employees are helping with search and recovery efforts. Kyla Kennedy is a bartender at the Stooges Bar & Grill and she witnessed the plane crash. Kyla, thank you so much for being with us. Just walk us through what you saw when you realized that something like that was happening.
KYLA KENNEDY, UPS PLANE CRASH WITNESS: It was just a normal day, having fun with the regulars, friends at work, serving beer. I went to walk outside to serve a customer a beer. The moment that I was walking outside, all of the power in the bar went out. The moment that I turned around to look back into the bar, by the time I'd been turning back around, the power came back on. I looked up into the sky and seeing the plane in flames --
KEILAR: All right. We're going to try to re -- we're going to try to get Kyla's connection back up there, but this is the scene that so many people saw, Boris. I mean, it was incredible. And this particular place where there were workers, you could see them in the video, running around. Kyla, you were just saying that as you had turned back around, the power came back in -- came back on in the bar. Tell us what happened then.
KENNEDY: I had turned around and looked outside, and to hand the beer to my customer. And at that moment, I was seeing a plane in flames going down. And in panic, fight or flight, I turned around, ran down the bar and screamed at everyone that a plane was crashing, grabbed my things, grabbed my phone, my purse, ran out the door as everyone in panic ran out at the same time.
SANCHEZ: Wow. And how or -- how did you react? What was going through your mind? What was it that you were trying to accomplish? KENNEDY: Just getting away from the building as quick as I possibly could. Afraid of any debris or anything, a second plane or anything, going through my mind at the time, anything could happen, you know?
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I immediately got in my car and at least went across the street and it was just the shaking as the plane crashed. Just the heat immediately that all of us felt was so terrifying. Seeing all of my friends and coworkers and customers and panic, it was like a movie, unreal.
KEILAR: And how close was this? How close was the crash to you, Kyla?
KENNEDY: It was insanely close. I mean, we had volleyball courts behind our bar. And it was so close that it looked like the plane was like right over our volleyball courts.
SANCHEZ: Wow. Do you happen to know anyone who was hurt or killed in the crash?
KENNEDY: I don't know anyone personally. We have had a personal friend that is a customer there that hasn't -- they're still looking for a significant other. We've all been praying for everyone. We know a lot of people that come in there on a daily basis, that live, that work close by. There's a lot of businesses ran over in that area and we're just praying that everyone is safe and really sad for the lives that were lost.
KEILAR: I must imagine, Kyla, that I mean, even being in -- so many places are under the path of an airport, you wouldn't think that this would happen. I mean, how are you reflecting on that?
KENNEDY: Just, we -- every day that we're there, we always are like, you know what if a plane crashes? I'll be taking an order and the planes are so close, flying over our bar, that in the middle of taking an order, I'm like, can you hold for one moment? You know? Because I can't hear anyone talking. So, we think that something like that would happen, but you don't ever think it would happen to you. And then when it does, it's just -- you don't even know how to deal with it, think about it or deal with it. It's like something you have to see every single day in your mind over and over and over.
SANCHEZ: Yeah. That's got to be tough. Kyla, we're glad that you're OK. We hope for the best when it comes to the spouse of that person that frequently attends the bar. Kyla Kennedy, thank you so much for the time.
KENNEDY: Of course. Thank you all so much.
SANCHEZ: Of course. And we should let you know, we are standing by for an NTSB briefing expected just one hour from now. The investigation into exactly what happened is underway. We'll be right back.
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KEILAR: The Trump administration is close to a deal with drug makers that could help consumers buy obesity drugs at a discount.
SANCHEZ: These medications are becoming increasingly popular for people struggling with their weight. A recent poll found as many as one in eight Americans is taking them. CNN's Meg Tirrell has more.
MEG TIRRELL, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: President Trump first signaled he was trying to get the price of drugs like Ozempic down to about $150 a month a couple weeks ago at a separate drug pricing event. And it wasn't clear exactly what mechanism he was going to use to do that. But our reporting from White House reporter, Adam Cancryn in Washington, D.C. suggests that he is working toward getting a deal done with Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk that could get at least some doses of some versions of these medicines to around $149 per month.
Now, whether that would be through his new TrumpRx platform, which sort of facilitates the ability for patients to buy drugs directly from drug makers using cash pay, not going through insurance, or whether it would be through some other mechanism is really not clear at this point. And the White House notes that these negotiations are not final and have not commented on what the details actually will be. And so, this is still in flux.
However, it's possible that the president will announce something about this as soon as Thursday. Now, as part of this, this negotiation, we may also see a move toward more Medicare coverage, at least for some patients, for weight loss medications. This has been a real problem. These drugs can be covered for other uses, but so far in Medicare, not specifically for weight loss alone. Now if there was a $149 cash pay option, that would be a lot lower for these drugs and specifically drugs like Ozempic and Wegovy, which are made by Novo Nordisk than the currently available options for paying for these medicines.
The company has recently introduced a cash pay option itself where people can pay $499 a month for these drugs. If they don't use insurance, they just pay with cash. I just spoke with Nova Nordisk's CEO who pointed out this is the fastest growing way that people are accessing these medicines because insurance coverage can be so difficult in many cases. Without insurance coverage and without this cash pay option, the list price of these medicines is anywhere from $1,000 to $1,300 per month. When you have insurance coverage, your out-of-pocket cost can be as low as $25.
But again, it can be really spotty for a lot of people. So, we are still waiting on more details which we could get as soon as Thursday. These negotiations are ongoing and could potentially change, but perhaps a $149 option for at least one of these weight loss drugs may be in the future.
KEILAR: All right, our thanks to Meg Tirrell --
