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Suspected Serial Killer Caught; Jon Huntsman Bows Out, Endorses Mitt Romney; Octavia Spencer's MLK Tribute; One Year Of Piers Morgan On CNN

Aired January 16, 2012 - 14:00   ET

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Let's go. Let's get caught up on everything making news this morning, "Rapid Fire," beginning with an arrest made in the serial killer case in southern California.

Police in Anaheim think this man is the killer of four homeless men. He is 23-year-old Itzcoatl Ocampo. He was arrested Friday night. Witnesses chased him down after he allegedly stabbed a homeless man to death in a fast-food parking lot.

The Orange County homeless community there really has been on edge ever since the killings began back on December 20th. And in just a couple of minutes, we're going to speak live to a friend of Ocampo who knew him from high school, actually noticed some of the changes in him once he came back from fighting in Iraq for the U.S. military.

And heads up, my fellow shoe lovers. Zappos, the online retailer, says one of its servers was hacked and the personal information of 24 million customers were compromised. So, if you are one of them, you will get an e-mail today explaining that your password needs to be reset.

Don't try calling Zappos. The company actually turned off its phones. They say they will handle customer services via e-mail because of the number, the sheer volume of people actually affected by this.

And Rupert Murdoch tweets. Google fires back. The News Corp chairman's tweet called Google a "piracy leader" that streams movies free and sells ads around them.

So, a Google rep tells the tech site ZNet it "fights pirates and counterfeiters every day." Murdoch was responding to the White House expressing concerns about the Stop Online Piracy Act, also called SOPA, aimed at copyright infringement on the Internet.

Jon Huntsman, he is now officially out of the GOP presidential race.

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JON HUNTSMAN (R), FMR. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Today I call on each campaign to cease attacking each other, and instead talk directly to the American people about how our conservative ideas will create jobs, reduce our nation's debt, stabilize energy prices, and provide a brighter future for our children and our grandchildren.

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BALDWIN: So, today, after that announcement, Huntsman endorsed Mitt Romney for the Republican nomination. And in the next hour, when Romney speaks live to conservatives in South Carolina, we will bring you some of that live. Stick around for that.

Also, President Obama volunteered at a school in honor of Martin Luther King, Jr. today. He helped put together a bookshelf at the Brown Education Campus. This is in Washington, D.C. Tonight, the president and first lady will attend a Let Freedom Ring celebration at the Kennedy Center.

And this just in. We have now learned that 2,300 tons of fuel is on board that huge cruise ship that capsized in Italy. We are also hearing today from people on board the ship when it crashed. Listen to this.

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MELISSA GODUTI, COSTA CONCORDIA PASSENGER: You could definitely feel the boat hit something, and then it leaned over probably about, like, a 70-degree angle, where you were just pretty much falling. Everything was falling. Dishes were falling, trash cans were falling, everything was falling.

And the lights went out. Everything was blacked out. Then the lights went back on. And then it felt was like the boat was turning, like, a really, really, really wide turn, but it was still on its side.

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BALDWIN: When the ship crashed in that moment, more than 4,000 people were aboard. So far, six people are dead and more than a dozen are still unaccounted for.

A Florida mother has been arrested for allegedly biting her teenage son. Volusia County sheriff's deputies arrested Jahaisal Fleming (ph) her they say she beat up and bit her son because he wouldn't give her his cell phone. The 16-year-old suffered several cuts to the face and bruised his right eye.

A man suspected for slashing women's backsides last year in Virginia now is in custody in Peru. Fairfax County police issued a warrant in September for Johnny Pimental. All 13 women involved here were young women, and in each attack, the victim was distracted before being cut on her backside.

The FBI is asking people in North Dakota and also now in Montana to help find the body of this missing teacher. They've been looking for more than a week here.

We're talking about 43-year-old Sherry Arnold. She was last seen when she went out for a morning job. Sunday, the FBI asked people to check their property for disturbed soil. The small town of Sidney, Montana, is struggling now just to cope with her disappearance.

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MAYOR BRETT SMELSER, SIDNEY, MONTANA: The process right now is we're grieving. We've got to get through that process, we've got to get through the closure. We've got to make the family whole as much as we can. But we're missing a daughter, we're missing a mother, we're missing -- you know, we're missing a sister.

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BALDWIN: Two men now are being held on charges of aggravated kidnapping in this case.

Actor Sean Penn is now officially the ambassador-at-large for Haiti. He was honored at a fund-raising event over the weekend for his humanitarian work in the country. It has been two years now since that devastating earthquake hit Haiti.

And it is not over yet, folks. Look at this. It makes me cold just looking at it.

There is much more winter weather on the way for a lot of you in the country. Areas of snow, sleet, freezing rain continue in both the Northeast and across much of the top section of the U.S.

Seattle, those of you in the Pacific Northwest, brace yourselves, as more snow is heading your way toward the middle of this week.

And we have a lot more for you in the next two hours. Watch this.

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BALDWIN: A fourth homeless man is stabbed to death, only this time an eyewitness chases down the alleged killer.

I'm Brooke Baldwin. The news is now.

(voice-over): It's a huge break in the shocking serial killings in southern California. Now reports that the suspect served his country and came back from war a troubled man.

Days ago they were fierce competitors.

HUNTSMAN: Governor Romney enjoys firing people. I enjoy creating jobs.

BALDWIN: Today, Jon Huntsman is out of the race and on the Mitt Romney train. And Romney faces a tough crowd in South Carolina this hour.

Then, the search for a beloved teacher missing for days.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was, like, one of the most caring people.

BALDWIN: Investigators say she's dead, but they need help finding her body. We're "On the Case."

Plus, a breathtaking moment caught on camera when a transplant team dropped their precious cargo.

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BALDWIN: And it's "Music Monday." Go backstage for my soundtrack with Kelly McFarland (ph).

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BALDWIN: Getting some new video here just into us at CNN. Want you take a look at these aerial pictures.

This is from New York State. This is a gas explosion at a townhome in West Haverstraw. This is just outside of New York City, if you know this area.

We do know two firefighters are injured. From my count here, I can see one, two fire trucks. There they go, pulling out.

We don't know anything yet as to whether there were people inside the home or not. Again, gas explosion there in a town just outside of New York City.

We're going to stay on it for you here on CNN.

Meantime, in California four homeless men are dead, killed by what police believe is a serial killer. This is Anaheim, California.

Police there have arrested 23-year-old Itzcoatl Ocampo. They believe he is the man responsible for killing four homeless men across southern California's Orange County over the last month.

Ocampo allegedly stabbed a homeless man in a fast-food parking lot just on Friday. Witnesses chased this man down and police later arrested him in connection with the killings.

But who is he? Who is this suspected killer?

I'm joined on the phone by Brian.

And Brian, we're just going to use your first name here. But from what I understand, you two went to high school together, you lived two doors down from him.

I want to ask you, just before Itzcoatl left for Iraq, what was he like personality-wise?

BRIAN, WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH ITZCOATL OCAMPO: He was fun-loving --

BALDWIN: I'm sorry, can you --

BRIAN: He had problems, but we all had problems. And he was really looking forward to service. And I didn't think it was possible for this.

BALDWIN: You said he was fun-loving. Nice guy?

BRIAN: Yes. When you were around him, he had fun.

BALDWIN: So he goes to Iraq. He came home in 2010. Did you notice a difference in his behavior? And, if so, what? Can you be specific?

BRIAN: May you repeat that?

BALDWIN: When he came back to Iraq, did you notice a change in his personality, his behavior?

BRIAN: (INAUDIBLE). He was a little bit more serious. It seemed like there was something, like, on his mind. He seemed really depressed and down. And things in his life weren't looking that well.

(INAUDIBLE) when I could to be a friend. And I even gave him a book to kind of help give him insight on his experience.

He came back to me about a week-and-a-half later, said he read the book, and I asked him to come in and he said he was just picking up his brother and had to go. And that was the last time I talked to him.

BALDWIN: This was a self-help book, from what I understand, that you lent him, and the last time you saw him was last summer. Was he expressing -- did he talk a lot about his time in Iraq? Was he at all exhibiting signs of wanting to act out in any way?

BRIAN: No. I knew he wanted to see action, and I knew he enjoyed it. And then something happened, and I just don't know what. And we had been talking about it, so I was delicate around the situation --

BALDWIN: He was delicate around what situation? Can you be specific?

BRIAN: Well, when he would start talking about his experiences, I would never encourage him to talk further than what he would want to talk about. And a lot of the times I would just try to talk about different things like girls, movies, drinking.

BALDWIN: Brian, did he have a home? Was he employed?

BRIAN: Well, like I said, I hadn't talked to him for eight months. The only thing I know is from what I've seen in articles. So I can't verify that for myself.

BALDWIN: And again, just to be clear, this is a young man who police believe -- believe -- he has not been officially charged -- but just from hearing your old friend's name connected to possibly these four murders, does that come to you as a shock?

BRIAN: Yes. I would have never guessed. I would have never guessed it.

BALDWIN: OK, Brian. Thank you.

I want to bring in Nicole Santa Cruz, staff writer for the "L.A. Times." The Times has really been all over this story.

And I want to ask you -- so much reporting that your paper has done. This young man's own father, from what I read in the latest article in the paper, is homeless as well. I know someone from your paper talked to Refugio Campo, the father, just Sunday.

What did he say?

NICOLE SANTA CRUZ, STAFF WRITER, "L.A. TIMES": Well, his father is living in a big rig truck in a Fullerton parking lot, and his father said that his son had come to him recently, you know, and showed him a picture that I believe was in the newspaper, and said that he was worried about him. And his father told Ocampo, "Don't worry about me, I'll be OK." So, yes.

BALDWIN: His own son said he was worried about his homeless father.

SANTA CRUZ: Yes.

BALDWIN: Let me quote something -- you talked, Nicole, to the uncle. "When he came back from Iraq, he was sick."

Did anyone in his family try to get this guy help?

SANTA CRUZ: I believe -- I'm not clear on the details, but I believe that someone had made appointments for Ocampo to get some psychological help, but it turns out that all of those appointments were canceled for one reason or another.

BALDWIN: And to be clear, he has not been charged. Do we know when charges could be filed?

SANTA CRUZ: Ocampo is expected in court tomorrow morning.

BALDWIN: Tomorrow morning. And ultimately, he was caught. What can you tell me about the fact that he was chased down by an eyewitness just a couple days ago?

SANTA CRUZ: Yes. So this happened on Friday night at the Carl's Jr., and it looks like, you know, several people witnessed this stabbing. And about two bystanders ended up chasing Ocampo on foot into a nearby mobile home park.

Several witnesses said that these bystanders yelled, they screamed, "It's the serial killer!" And it turns out that those bystanders ended up losing Ocampo, but were able to point police in the right direction in order to actually arrest Ocampo.

BALDWIN: OK. Nicole Santa Cruz, thank you so much, the "L.A. Times."

And Brian, thanks to you very much.

I know we've been doing reporting as well. The homeless community there very much so on edge.

Thank you both. Now this --

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HUNTSMAN: This race has degenerated into an onslaught of negative and personal attacks not worthy of the American people and not worthy of this critical time in our nation's history.

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BALDWIN: Strong words from now former presidential candidate Jon Huntsman. He bowed out of the race today.

Coming up next, who he is endorsing and what he thinks is wrong with the Republican Party.

Be right back.

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BALDWIN: Curious timing, this one. Today, Jon Huntsman up and quit the race for president. After his third place finish in New Hampshire, Huntsman pushed on. To South Carolina he went. But now, five days before this Saturday's primary, Huntsman dropped out.

Joe Johns is live in Myrtle Beach.

And Joe, take me through this, please.

JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, pretty simple, really. Jon Huntsman came out of New Hampshire thinking he had wind beneath his wings, and he didn't. The bottom line was, at least talking to people with the campaign, they said, hey, we wanted to see much more of a bump coming out of New Hampshire into South Carolina. We didn't see it in the polls, and therefore he got out.

Listen to the sound bite.

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HUNTSMAN: I believe it is now time for our party to unite around the candidate best equipped to defeat Barack Obama. Despite our differences and the space between us on some of the issues, I believe that candidate is Governor Mitt Romney.

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JOHNS: So, Brooke, the bottom line for Jon Huntsman is he was at the bottom of the polls compared to all the other candidates, and there was only one way to go in this campaign, and that was out of it.

BALDWIN: But you just showed us Huntsman talking this morning, saying Romney is the most electable Republican. Funny thing though, because here's what he said about Romney four days ago.

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HUNTSMAN: When you have a candidate who talks about enjoyment in firing people, who talks about pink slips, who makes comments that seem to be so detached from the problems that Americans are facing today, that makes you pretty much unelectable.

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BALDWIN: So, Joe Johns, even by the standards we've come to expect, that's some pretty quick turnaround.

JOHNS: Yes. You might say that.

Bottom line, hey, I talked to somebody at the campaign today who said, "Look, that's politics." People say nasty things all the time, they go after each other. They're all competing for the same office, but at the end of the day, when one guy gets out, he throws his support to somebody else. That's the way politics in this country happens, and that's the way it's happened here in South Carolina for a long time -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: You know, something we were wondering, though, was how much do you think, Joe, it hurt Jon Huntsman that he had served under the current administration, under Barack Obama as ambassador to China? How much do you think?

JOHNS: No question that was an issue, and I think the people in the campaign think that was a big issue, because when you look at his record, Jon Huntsman is a pretty conservative guy on a lot of different areas, from the way he's concerned about Second Amendment rights, to abortion, to taxes. He's got a lot of conservative chops, but people looked at him as the ambassador under Barack Obama and thought he was a moderate.

So it was difficult for him. They say he went into this campaign fully aware that people were going to look at him and say he might have a moderate problem. At least that's what conservatives would say. And he was ready to do that because, in his view, the public service, the service to the American government was more important than that. But yes, it might have very much hurt him in his attempt to get the nomination.

BALDWIN: All right, Joe Johns. Thank you. We'll see you next hour with a little "Political Pop" fun and some sand creations you have found there at the beach. So see you next hour.

Meantime, each and every morning, our weather team sends us this e- mail, right? So it's got highlights for the day. When we saw this map, it kind of blew us away, because the whole top half of the U.S. is projected to get snow in the next week. The entire top half. Crazy.

Coming up in two minutes, Alexandra Steele has the details of the last track of the storm.

Be right back.

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BALDWIN: Now to this. Unless you were under a rock this weekend, you have probably seen these terrifying pictures of this cruise ship totally on its side. Now we are starting to piece together what exactly happened.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There wasn't anybody to help you. I mean, really, the passengers were loading the lifeboats by themselves.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We had to go about four or five gates down before we found a lifeboat we could get into, and then the people were very angry that we got on that lifeboat because it was very crowded.

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BALDWIN: In case you missed all our coverage this weekend, stay tuned, because up next, we're going to give you a moment-by-moment account of the accident as told by the people on board the ship and witnesses to the crash.

Stay right here.

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BALDWIN: All right, let me bring you up to date on this cruise ship story. Take a look with me. The "Costa Concordia" laying on its side on the rocks right up against this island, Italy's Giglio Island.

We're going to tell you about the moment, about the frantic and dangerous effort to find the passengers not yet accounted for. But first we've got some brand new video that shows the chaos aboard this crew ship early Saturday morning just after it went aground. Watch with me.

One of the voices keeps saying, please remain calm. It's tough to remain calm. People don't know what's happening. You can see the cruise ship there in the background.

The captain of the ship is now facing possible charges, including leaving the vessel before everyone got off. Listen to several people on the ship. These are their recollections.

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RONDA ROSENTHAL, CRUISE SHIP SURVIVOR: There were passengers trying to help, there was chaos. I think they were trying hard, but to us it appeared as if they weren't trained well.

NANCY LOFARO, CRUISE SHIP SURVIVOR: We were like, is it sinking or is it not? It was just so slowly, slowly going down. BRANDON WARRICK, CRUISE SHIP SURVIVOR: We were, like, running out when the ship started taking on water and I saw the river water gushing in. I started to panic then, and we were slipping on the boat.

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BALDWIN: You had roughly 4,200 people on the ship when it went around Friday night. Six people died, 16 are still missing, including at least two Americans, Gerald and Barbara Ann Hyle. Dan is there for us at the scene -- Dan.

DAN RIVERS, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This picture says it all about how precarious, dangerous and difficult this search and rescue operation is proving to be.

Earlier on, fire officers had to be winched off the super structure of the "Costa Concordia" as the ship started shifting in the sea. Now, they're beginning to resume their search operation of the some 2,000 cabins inside. Meanwhile the chief executive of Costa Cruises has defended the actions of the crew following this disaster, but says the captain's actions probably contributed to this wreck.

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PIER LUIGI FOSCHI, COSTA CHAIRMAN AND CEO: The explanation is that he wanted to show the ship and to nearby this Island of Giglio and so he decided to change the course of the ship, to go closer to the island and pass through in front of the little city that sit in that island.

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RIVERS: The other unknown is whether the 2,300 tons of fuel aboard can be prevented from spinning out in these pristine waters. Italy's environment minister has said very urgent action is needed to avoid an environmental catastrophe here. Dan Rivers, CNN, Giglio Island, Italy.

BALDWIN: Dan, thank you. So big investigation in Italy. Now, the ship's captain is saying the rock the ship hit wasn't on his map. The owners said the captain diverted too close to shore. That's all going to shake out in due time.

I want to show you though right now what happens on a cruise ship bridge when something like this happens. CNN's Brian Todd just filed this story from a cruise ship simulator. This is in Florida. Take a look, this is good stuff.

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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We're here at the American Maritime Officers Union Training Center in Dania Beach, Florida. This is a simulator they call the 360 that basically takes you through every type of scenario.

Right now, we're simulating running aground. This is Captain Larry Reimer, one of the trainers here. We're a few seconds away from a potential accident here near a coastline. You can see the ship moving slowly.

LARRY REIMER, AMERICAN MARITIME OFFICERS UNION: Run aground, stop engines.

TODD: We definitely stopped. They're going through some checklists right now. This is the procedure of what to do when you run aground. Captain, tell us what we have to do immediately when we hit rocks or run aground.

REIMER: The first thing you have to do is stop the engine so you don't go harder aground. Then you have to have somebody on the team run through an operational checklist for grounding, signals to alert people you have an emergency. We're going to make an emergency call on the radio, where we are, what the situation is.

TODD: OK.

REIMER: Then we're going to go from there. Assess the damages and decide what we're going to do.

TODD: And in some cases, you'll actually try and reverse --

REIMER: We may try to get it off. Right now we don't want to do that yet because we don't know what the damage is. So maybe we're safer right here than to try to get her off into deeper water.

TODD: Under any circumstances, does the captain leave the bridge in a situation like that?

REIMER: Absolutely not. The captain is in operational command to make sure all the procedures for the emergencies are followed.

TODD: And he's got a full team here handling communications and all that.

REIMER: Yep.

TODD: And to try to get the passengers off the ship.

REIMER: Getting the passengers in a safe point, or if we have to abandon ship, they're ready to go.

TODD: All right, Captain, thanks very much. This is just part of what they go through here. This is a very rigorous program, training captains around the world.

Thousands of captains have been through here. This is just one of the drills and it's a pretty good simulation of what to do in case of an accident on a major cruise ship. Brian Todd, CNN, Dania Beach, Florida.

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BALDWIN: Brian Todd, thank you. Did you watch the Golden Globes last night? A lot of you did, and even though Ricky Gervais did his best to shall we say add levity to the evening. There were a lot of emotional moments including one that was my favorite of mine. I'll explain that.

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BALDWIN: The Golden Globes are still trending this afternoon and one special moment last night for me was watching Octavia Spencer accept her award for best supporting actress in a drama. She played Mini in "The Help."

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OCTAVIA SPENCER, ACTRESS: With regard to domestics in this country now and then I think Dr. King said it best, all labor that uplifts humanity has dignity and importance. And I thank you for recognizing that with our film.

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BALDWIN: Not a lot of drive after she was talking about that. We're so happy for her. It is so apropos that she quoted Dr. King on this holiday weekend when we honor his memory. I talked about attitude toward domestics with Spencer and her just a couple months ago.

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BALDWIN: Was there any moment where either of you said, I don't know if I want to put on a maid uniform and go to work for this movie.

SPENCER: Not for that specific reason. I was excited about the fact that the story was being told from this perspective.

BALDWIN: The perspective of what?

SPENCER: The African-American way in the '60s because prior to this moment, all of literature and the majority of films where we are represented during that time period is pretty much facilitators of information, not much depth, and we definitely didn't have a voice. So this was a different type of film.

BALDWIN: I had read there were still homes in Greenwood, Mississippi where they would still have help. African-American women dress up in maid uniforms from head to toe. Did you see that while you are filming there? Was that surreal at all?

SPENCER: Everybody is help. I'm help.

VIOLA DAVIS, ACTRESS: The new help is defined by Mexicans and Guatemalans. You know, we see it all the time. We see it in New York City with the nanny is pushing the cart in Central Park West in Park Avenue. It's just the way it is.

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BALDWIN: Thanks, ladies. That was a special interview. Next stop, the Oscars, February 26. I sure that's a future trending topic on the show as well. I'm going to read you a couple quotes here. I didn't know exactly how to handle it. I backed away. I didn't feel adequate.

That is from former Penn State Head Coach Joe Paterno in his very first interview to talk about the child rape scandal under his watch.

Coming up next, we're going to hear from Paterno in his words and the "Washington Post" reporter who sat down with the legendary coach. Stay with us.

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BALDWIN: Legendary football coach Joe Paterno is speaking out for the very first time since the Penn State child sex abuse scandal erupted.

Paterno, he was fired from his Penn State coaching job back in November and he tells the "Washington Post" that he felt inadequate to deal with the abuse allegations.

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JOE PATERNO, FORMER PENN STATE FOOTBALL COACH: I called my superiors and I said, we got a problem, I think. Would you guys look into it? Because I didn't know, you know -- I had never had to deal with something like that and I didn't feel adequate.

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BALDWIN: Joe Paterno, his own words there. CNN's Soledad O'Brien spoke with the "Washington Post" reporter who interviewed him. She is Sally Jenkins.

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SALLY JENKINS, THE WASHINGTON POST: So I found him feeble. He had had chemotherapy literally the day before we met. We met on two straight days, Thursday and Friday of last week. Thursday, he was pretty good. By Friday, he was weaker and, in fact, couldn't get out of bed.

And the last half of the interview was really at his bedside and then he was taken to the hospital. He's having some side effects from chemotherapy. He's 85 years old and so the chemo is very harsh on him.

SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, HOST, CNN'S "STARTING POINT": Was your sense that this was his effort to clear his name and set the record straight or --

JENKINS: Yes, very much so. I think he -- it was his attempt to explain to people what he knew and what he did about it, what he didn't do and why he didn't do more and how he felt about it. I think that he had been waiting for, I think, some of the boil to come out of the water in the state college environment, where things have been pretty high emotional pitch. And he felt that things had quieted down enough that he could be heard.

You have to make a decision about who you think Joe Paterno was. He presents himself as someone who was a very old world gentleman who was out of his depth with the issue of child molestation.

Then there's the version of Joe Paterno that is the one that you described where he was in command of every detail of the program. I will say this. He was 75 when Mike McQuery came to him.

I think it's possible, and maybe even plausible, that Joe Paterno by 2002 when Mike McQuery came to him was a much older man, was not maybe as powerful in state college as he once had been. You know, viewers have to make up their mind who they think Joe Paterno was in all of this.

O'BRIEN: One of the things he said to you was, quote, "in hindsight, I wish I had done more." Did he give you examples of what more?

JENKINS: Yes. He said, you know, he should have -- in 2002, he went to his superiors, Gary Schultz, the vice president of the university who was head of campus police and his athletic director, Tim Curly and said, I have this report. There's a young man who saw Jerry Sandusky in the showers doing something with a boy.

After that, Paterno never followed up with his superiors. What he said to me is, you know, I wish I would have said, where are we with the boy? What's going on with this boy? What's going on with this coach?

He didn't do that. He did go back to Mike McQuery, the coach who had seen the incident a few times according to McQuery and say, you know, where are we with this, but he didn't go to his superiors and he didn't push up the chain of command.

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BALDWIN: Now, in the interview, Paterno did not comment on former Penn State Defense Coordinator Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky is facing more than 50 counts involving sexual acts for 10 boys.

He has pled not guilty. Sandusky has said he is, quote, "greatly dismayed by Paterno's dismissal from the university."

It has been one year since this man joined the CNN family. He is standing by to talk about the highlights, and I'm going to ask you, Piers Morgan, the question you normally ask your interviewees. We're going to flip the script around a little bit for you. So stand by for that.

Also, a banjo, a simple drum set and a sweet voice. Not me, her. Coming up next, my interview with singer/songwriter Kelly McFarling in this week's "Music Monday."

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BALDWIN: Well, well, guess who has been at CNN for a year now? Piers Morgan is celebrating a special anniversary this week. He joins me live. Hello. How are you, friend?

PIERS MORGAN, HOST, CNN'S "PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT": Brooke Baldwin, how are you?

BALDWIN: I'm lovely, can't complain. I know you're doing a special for your anniversary hoopla week for your show, so tonight I might say you're pretty brave allowing Chelsea Handler, who is a pretty sassy, brassy gal to interview you. Are you nervous?

MORGAN: Yes, it went exactly as badly as I thought it might. So I'd like to thank my production star for having this brilliant idea. As you can imagine, Chelsea doesn't like to be handled in any sense in an interview. She's out of control enough when I'm doing the interview. With her doing the interviewing, total chaos reigns.

BALDWIN: Give me a quick tease. What did she get you to talk about that you've never talked about before?

MORGAN: Well, she asked ne all the questions that I like to ask other people, which is of a very embarrassing nature. It was all about my sex life, my love life, this, that and the other, and I'm just like any traditional British gentleman, squirming when asked about anything.

BALDWIN: Good, I look forward to tuning in and seeing you squirm. Speaking of, you always ask everybody, so here's my question to you, Piers Morgan, how many times have you properly been in love?

MORGAN: Well, I'm glad you recognize it's an iconic question. Secondly, I never knew I had been properly in love until I was in Atlanta last week and this vision of unparallel beauty, what we call the mother ship, the CNN headquarters there. And I thought, wow, now I'm properly in love, and it turned out to be Brooke Baldwin.

BALDWIN: Am I turning bright pink? No, seriously, answer the question, Piers Morgan.

MORGAN: You're turning the same color as your jacket.

BALDWIN: I know, but I'm going to keep asking the question, how many times have you been properly in love? What is properly in love, by the way?

MORGAN: Properly in love is when your heart gets broken either by your own volition or somebody else's. It can't be puppy love or that kind of thing. It has to be absolutely agonizing, gut wrenching, aching type thing.

On Tuesday night, tomorrow night, we have Rosie O'Donnell who mocks me for this question on Twitter almost every day. So I asked it of her and she came up with a riveting answer.

In depth, passionate, emotional, thought provoking. If you watch tomorrow, you'll see why I love this question because it always gets a great answer.

BALDWIN: Yes, I know you're great at eliciting emotion. Let's throw this picture up because we can and it's my show and we're going to have a little fun. I was in New York last weekend filling in on a New York show. Can you see me, my feet up on your desk?

MORGAN: Get your feet of my desk. Outrageous! What are you doing at my desk? How dare you?

BALDWIN: You weren't around. Anyway, Piers Morgan, we look forward to seeing your big specials all this week. Congratulations once again. Pleasure meeting you, pleasure knowing you.

MORGAN: Thank you, Brooke, always a pleasure. See you in the mother ship.

BALDWIN: All right, perfect. Now to this. So Saturday morning late November, I get this e-mail from one of my writer/producers. I click on the link and it's Kelly McFarling.

My first thought was, is it Monday? Born in Atlanta, she now lives in San Francisco. Let me tell you, folks, the woman can sing. We caught up with Kelly in a funky little listening room right here in Atlanta. I hope you enjoy today's sound check.

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BALDWIN: I love to point out your van broke down on the side of the road, and you made it to the interview, Kelly. I appreciate it. Is it tough being a touring, traveling musician?

KELLY MCFARLING: It is. It's tough but it's really wonderful.

BALDWIN: You love to sing.

MCFARLING: I love to sing. I do love to sing.

BALDWIN: I have your album. Tell me about Atlanta.

MCFARLING: I just moved to San Francisco, and it was a completely new place. I was totally falling in love with San Francisco, but also trying to figure it all out.

It kind of is a very nostalgic song. It paints a picture of some images that I think about when I think about growing up here.

BALDWIN: When did you pick the banjo up? Why the banjo?

MCFARLING: It was in a pawn shop in the window that I rode my bike by every morning going to work. I just kept seeing it all the time and I just thought, I should just get it.

BALDWIN: So the banjo you play on is a banjo from a pawn shop?

MCFARLING: No, the one I play on now, it's not from the pawn shop. That was my training wheels banjo for sure.

It's the past. It's a haunting thing. I just think that's always going to be a really big, important part of anything that I do, the way that I live my life, the way that I write my songs.

There is always that tension I feel like in everybody of like to go or stay, because there's always -- there's always wonderful things.

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BALDWIN: Kelly McFarling, thank you. You can always check out my blog for all our Music Monday interviews. Just go to CNN/Brooke.