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Candidates Prep for Final Debate; Presidential Race Intensifies; 15 Shootings in Two Days Outside Detroit; Israel Halts Pro-Palestinian Ship; Protesters Decry UK Austerity; Armstrong Stays Mum on Scandal; Zimmerman Wins a Round; Zimmerman OK'D to See Martin Records

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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN ANCHOR: It is 12:00 on the East Coast. If you don't know, it is 9:00 out West. If you're just tuning in, thank you for watching. Welcome to CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Martin Savidge. These are some of the stories that are making the headlines right now.

President Obama and Mitt Romney, they are spending this weekend getting ready for their third and final showdown. That key debate happens Monday night in Boca Raton and it will focus on foreign policy and national security.

And while the two candidates practice for their face-off, their surrogates are busy campaigning in several critical battleground states. That is Vice President Biden and Ann Romney, they're both in Florida.

Paul Ryan is focusing on Ohio and Pennsylvania. And Joe Biden is in Minnesota. The candidates have just 17 days to make their case to the undecided. And as Election Day draws closer to rhetoric on the stump is heating up. Here is CNN national correspondent, Jim Acosta.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Martin, even though it's early, we're starting to hear the makings of some closing arguments from the candidates, from the president who says Romney has no core and Romney who says the president has no plan.

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ACOSTA (voice-over): While Mitt Romney is preparing for his final debate with president Obama in Florida, he and his running mate Paul Ryan are testing out the campaign's message for the next battle to come for swing state voters.

MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Well, they have no agenda for the future. No agenda for America. No agenda for a second term. It's good thing they won't have a second term. They have -- they've been reduced to petty attacks and silly word games. Just watch it. The Obama campaign has become the incredible shrinking campaign.

ACOSTA: Another part of that swing state pitch can be found in this new Romney campaign ad that cast the GOP nominee as a bipartisan problem solver. ROMNEY: We need to have leadership, leadership in Washington while actually bring people together and get the job done and could not care less if it's a Republican or a Democrat.

ACOSTA: It's a change in tone for a candidate who once called himself a severely conservative governor during the primaries. Prompting the president to accuse Romney of etch and sketching his past.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: We have to name this condition that he's going through. I think -- I think it's called Romnesia.

ACOSTA: The president is getting a boost from new state unemployment numbers showing that jobless rates dropping in Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, and Wisconsin. Romney had a joke for the improving economy at a benefit dinner in New York where he and the president exchanged punch lines.

ROMNEY: You're better off now than you were four weeks ago.

ACOSTA: Friday's map reads like a calendar, the more candidates and surrogates flooding into battle grounds, the closer the election.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The American people are so much better, so much stronger. Take so much more responsibility than either Congressman Ryan or Governor Romney give them credit for.

ACOSTA: Newspaper endorsements are also starting to come in after picking President Obama four years ago, the "Orlando Sentinel" chose Romney saying we have little confidence that Obama will be more successful managing the economy and the budget in the next four years.

But the "Denver Post" stayed with the president saying the economy has made demonstrable though hardly remarkable progress. In Daytona Beach where biker convention is in town for the weekend, Florida voters are getting revved up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm undecided, leaning towards Romney though.

ACOSTA (on camera): Why is that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, because I'm not crazy about what Obama has done in a nutshell.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I really don't like Romney that much. I would have voted for him if he actually had respect for women.

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ACOSTA: And after their final debate, the candidates will be where else but in swing states? The president will stay here in Florida and Romney and Ryan head off to Colorado -- Marty.

SAVIDGE: Jim, thanks very much. That last debate between Mitt Romney and President Obama happens Monday night. You can watch the showdown live right here on CNN. That will be 7:00 p.m. Eastern Time. Meanwhile, a sheriff in the suburbs of Detroit doesn't know what to make of 15 shootings in two days. But it's got him talking about the D.C. area sniper from ten years ago targets by people or cars. Thankfully, no injuries so far.

The spree took place between 7:00 p.m. Tuesday and 6:45 p.m. on Thursday. The sheriff of Oakland County said, "anything is possible in terms of what could develop.

We don't want anything to develop that certainly developed in the Washington area and paralyzed that area for a long time." Not to mention killed a significant number of people.

The Israeli Navy has stopped a ship that was trying to break a blockade at the Gaza Strip. The vessel was carrying about 30 pro- Palestinian activists, also onboard were medical supplies and other humanitarian items.

No injuries are reported. Israel imposed the Mediterranean Sea blockade after Hamas militants took over the Gaza Strip in 2007. Israel says they want to stop arms traffic. Opponents called the blockade a punishment of the zone's 1.6 million residents.

In London, thousands turned out to protest austerity measures. They say the government spending cuts have led to higher unemployment and squeezed the middle class. They want public investments in infrastructure and job training.

Prime Minister David Cameron has defended the (inaudible) saying it was necessary to reduce the deficit. Demonstrations were also held today in Northern Ireland.

Lance Armstrong, he was defiant last night as he took center stage at his cancer charity's 15th anniversary gala. It was the first time that the seven time Tour De France winner has spoken publicly since he was accused of running the most sophisticated doping program ever in sports. CNN's Don Riddell was there.

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DON RIDDELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He's been accused, disgraced, and humiliated. But in his hometown of Austin and within the cancer community in particular, Lance Armstrong is still very much loved.

LANCE ARMSTRONG, CYCLIST: I've been better, but I've also been worse. Thank you so much for your support. It means the world to me.

RIDDELL: Speaking publicly for the first time since he was engulfed by a doping scandal, Armstrong admitted it was a difficult two weeks. 14 days in which he's been branded as a cheat and a liar. Dropped by almost all of his sponsors and forced to resign as chairman of his own charity, "Livestrong."

(on camera): You've been a proud supporter of this organization for many years. Has anything changed for you in the last days? SEAN PENN, ACTOR: In the last days? No. I think it's an organization that's developed by somebody who's been an enormous inspiration to so many and to myself and has done an incredible amount of good. I expect it will continue.

RIDDELL: Does he remain an inspiration?

PENN: Of course, he remains an inspiration. You know, I think anybody who's looking with a very clear eye at this would find themselves very hypocritical to think otherwise.

RIDDELL (voice-over): Sean Penn is one of several Hollywood A-listers supporting Armstrong and "Livestrong," a foundation that raised almost half a billion dollars and helped 2.5 million people worldwide since 1997.

But some of Armstrong's donors have told CNN they now want their money back. And the foundation might find that Armstrong's continued involvement does more harm than good.

DR. MICHAEL WOLF, "LIVESTRONG" SUPPORTER: The interesting thing, if you interview 1,800 people tonight, probably 1,800 will tell you to use the phrase that first it's not about the bike. It's not about Lance. It's about for all of us, the foundation and the cancer support program.

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RIDDELL: Armstrong had an opportunity tonight to address the allegations against him. Among friends, there was a chance of a mea culpa or at least continued denial, but he remains very much tight lipped.

The next word is now likely to come from the International Cycling Union on Monday. They have the power to complete his fall from grace and strip him from his seven Tour De France titles. Don Riddell, CNN, Austin.

SAVIDGE: The man who killed teenager Trayvon Martin gets a win in court. We'll have details and what it means for the case straight ahead.

And then the race, it's neck and neck in the battleground state of Ohio. We'll tell what you the Obama and Romney teams are doing to win the vote.

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SAVIDGE: In the controversial Florida death case of Trayvon Martin, the shooter, George Zimmerman, has won latest round at issue whether attorneys can bring the teenager's school records and social media activity into evidence. CNN's David Mattingly reports.

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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For the first time in almost three months, we were able to see George Zimmerman entering a courtroom. This time he appeared to be much heavier than we had seen him in the past.

But he sat quietly during a proceeding and was also his first time in front of this new judge, Judge Debra Nelson. It was a good day for the defense team.

The judge ruling that attorneys for George Zimmerman are allowed to subpoena the school records of Trayvon Martin as well as whatever posts he may have put on Facebook and any sort of comments he may have made on Twitter.

This is important going forward as the defense may argue that it was Trayvon Martin who was the aggressor that night in the fight that ended when George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin.

MARK O'MARA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I'm not going to sit back and say anything about Trayvon Martin. I know very little about him. But I think my client has the right for me to find out more about him to make that decision.

And that's the only point we're at right now with discovery. We have the right to get the information. Then conclusions can be made, most probably by the judge in the self-defense immunity hearing and if that's not successful by a jury, which is where this is supposed to be.

MATTINGLY: Trayvon Martin's parents meanwhile are announcing that they are beginning a new push that might change stand your ground laws all across the country. They're soliciting money so that they contribute to candidates and to organizations that will help them.

They say it's their goal to change stand your ground laws here in Florida and elsewhere so that someone who starts a fight would not be eligible for the immunity that this kind of law might provide.

In the meantime, George Zimmerman's attorneys say that they might be requesting their stand your ground hearing for George Zimmerman sometime in the spring. If they are successful, George Zimmerman will go free. He will not go to trial. David Mattingly, CNN, Seminole County, Florida.

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SAVIDGE: David, thank you very much. We'll talk more about this case with our legal guys right after the break.

Plus, should guns be allowed in church? There is a Georgia organization that says yes. We'll talk about that case as well. Our legal guys will also weigh in on this one.

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SAVIDGE: Before the break, we were talking about a judge ruling that Trayvon Martin's school and social media records can be handed over to the lawyers defending, his alleged killer, that's George Zimmerman. Let's bring in the legal guys, Avery Friedman, a civil rights attorney and law professor, who joins us from Washington and then Richard Herman, a New York criminal defense attorney and law expert who joins us from Las Vegas. Hello, gentlemen.

Very good, thanks. All right, let's talk about this. Some interesting stuff coming out of the Zimmerman case, first and foremost, let me ask you this, Richard.

The attorneys that were representing George Zimmerman want these records, social media and school records. Why do they want it? It sounds like a fishing expedition.

RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Marty, it's not a fishing expedition. They want to show that Trayvon Martin had a propensity for violence. They want to show that and then try to argue to a jury that obviously Martin with his propensity for violence was the aggressor.

However, just -- before everybody goes crazy here, it's just for discovery purposes at this time. It does not mean this material will be admissible at the time of the trial. So that's for starters.

And the judge will have to make that decision during the trial or just before it. But in any event, it may not come in at all or it may come in with a sort of limiting instruction to the jury by the judge and how they should receive it.

SAVIDGE: All right, Avery, let me bring new real quick. When an attorney asks for records like these, do they already know what's in the records?

AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Sure they do, Marty. I mean, what they're doing is they want documents from the school. They want what's out there in the blogosphere. Of course they do.

But I'm in agreement. It's going to be very difficult to get that kind of evidence into trial because how are they going to introduce it? It is mere discovery. It only ceases to try to bolster some kind of defense.

By the way, I never saw this case as a stand your ground case at all. This is a conventional self-defense. And Mark O'Mara who is leading this defense team is saying, look, we need it. It's relevant. Whether or not it gets in I think is very dubious that it will, but that's where they're going with this.

SAVIDGE: All right, let me ask you this. It may not get into a court of law. It will get seen by the public. The discovery is released. In other words, it's going to go into the court of public opinion, right?

FRIEDMAN: That's exactly right. You know, we heard that the family is out trying to raise money to get rid of stand your ground laws in states. I understand that argument. But it's going to have no effect either on that campaign or certainly no effect on the defense in this trial, none whatsoever.

SAVIDGE: Richard, let me ask you quickly. There was also the prosecution. They said turnabout is fair play. They want the medical records of George Zimmerman. The defense said, no, that's too personal, but they eventually won. What are they looking for there?

HERMAN: Yes, for what purpose would they want those, Marty? To show that Zimmerman is a mental case, I don't know. The judge is going to take those, look at them in chambers and make a determination on his own whether he thinks those are relevant.

So that's where that's going to go, but the judge has already admonished and instructed the defense attorneys when they get this material, this discovery, not it turn it over to the public.

Keep it amongst themselves so when they get a school record, they cannot turn this over to the public. That's the ruling of the judge.

SAVIDGE: Avery, the prosecution is asking for a gag order. Why now? I mean, this case has been out for so long. All of a sudden they want people to stop talking?

FRIEDMAN: Well, you know, unfortunately, you have this thing called the first amendment. There has been so much information disseminated. I think Judge Debra Nelson would make a very serious mistake in granting a gag at this point.

There is so much out there. I mean, it's already prejudicial, but the fact that you would gag now at this point, I think is completely inconsistent with the public's right to know,

SAVIDGE: All right, well, let me move on --

HERMAN: I'm sorry. One last thing, what's very telling here, Marty, is that the prosecution is taking their sweet time and turning over discovery. And the defense is ranting and raving that the district attorney is not releasing material, that they have an obligation to release.

FRIEDMAN: There is a hearing coming up on that, too, by the way.

SAVIDGE: Yes, there is. Let's move on to guns and God. This has to do with a Georgia pro gun advocacy group that is saying it should be OK, it should be legal for you to carry a gun into church.

And there have been several rulings. Some have supported that. Some have gone against that. Now they're asking the Supreme Court to take up the case. Is this -- let me ask you, Richard, a violation of the first amendment or the second amendment?

HERMAN: They're saying it's not a second amendment case, Marty. They're saying it's a case of the government intruding on someone's right to worship the way they want to.

And by not being able to bring their guns into church, that hampers the way they worship. I mean, this couldn't be any better for Bill Mahr, I have to tell you. So eventually, I don't know, it may end up at the Supreme Court, incredibly so.

SAVIDGE: Packing heat in the pew, what do you think of that, Avery?

FRIEDMAN: It's not going to happen. I mean, this is the most constitutionally unhinged argument of the year so far. The argument is that somehow under the freedom of religion provision of the first amendment, you've got a right to carry a gun?

My goodness, you have two Supreme Court decisions, Marty. One Heller, one McDonald written by, by the way, one of the most conservative justices, Scalia saying government does have the right to say you can't bring guns into churches or airports.

It makes all the sense in the world. There is no chance -- no chance the Supreme Court will ever, ever take this case.

SAVIDGE: Richard, is that true? Certainly you can't take a gun into an airport. We understand the security concerns but church? I mean, is there really a security concern there?

HERMAN: There have been shootings in churches we've seen. We've covered cases.

FRIEDMAN: That's right. Sure.

HERMAN: But no -- everywhere. Right, so whether or not this case is something strong enough where the Supreme Court says there's a split in the circuits and we need to make a ruling on it, I think it's ridiculous, but, look, I don't know. Time will tell. Avery, don't be so certain.

FRIEDMAN: I'm certain of it, pal. Certain of it. Not going.

SAVIDGE: Nice to hear such confidence. All right, both of you are going to be back in about 20 minutes to talk another case, which I find fascinating.

A Zumba fitness instructor accused of running a prostitution ring out of her studio in a small town in Maine. Some of the names on the client list are revealed.

Moving on, each week we're shining a spotlight on the top ten "CNN Heroes" of 2012 as you vote for the one who inspires you the most at cnnheroes.com.

This week's honoree is a single mother from Haiti who became a target of sexual violence, but turned her personal trauma into a fight for justice. Today she gives support and a voice to the thousands of rape survivors in her homeland.

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MALYA VILLARD-APPOLON, PROTECTING THE POWERLESS (through translator): Two years after the earthquake, the situation is still the same. The people are still under the tents. They don't have electricity. There is no security where they sleep. They are getting raped. In Haiti, things are very difficult. Before the earthquake, there were rapes happening. Now I can say it is total disorder.

Adults are not spared, mothers are not spared. Even babies are not spared. My name is Malya Villard Appolon. I am a victim of sexual violence. I am on a mission to eradicate this issue so that other Haitian women do not fall victim.

We do awareness in the camps. We were working in 22 camps after the earthquake. Now we are trying to work in others. We tell people to come out of silence, do not be afraid to say that you have been victimized.

We offer psychological and legal support. We have a support center. We accompany the victim to the hospital and we have a safe house program. For me, the first thing is justice that I want.

I was a victim and I did not find justice, but I know I will get it for other women that are victims. We have to fight so we can save what was save what was the past, Haiti. This is a great nation. There will be a change.

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SAVIDGE: The latest just one of our top ten honorees, one of whom will become "CNN Hero of the Year" and receive $250,000. Who will it be? Well, you get to decide. Go to cnnheroes.com online and on your mobile device to vote up to 10 times a day, every day for the more inspirational hero.

Getting out the vote weeks before the election, both campaigns are doing it. Find out why early voting could have a dramatic impact in the battleground of Ohio.

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SAVIDGE: Both presidential campaigns are making a very big push for early voting. It could boost turnout and in turn have a dramatic impact in battleground states, particularly one key county in Ohio. CNN's John King has that.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need your support.

JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For the Obama campaign, priority one is reaching less reliable voters like college students and African-Americans.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm calling because it's time for early voting.

KING: Requests for early or absentee ballots in Hamilton County are running well ahead of the 2008 pace as both campaigns push to maximize turnout. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're just calling to see if you will be giving for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan your important vote this November election. Wonderful, wonderful. Are you going to be voting early or going to polls?

KING: More than half of the ballots requested today are by voters not registered with either party. Of the rest, Republican requests are running well ahead of Democrats.

(on camera): You don't get a sense who have is winning early voting?

AMY SEARCY, DIRECTOR, HAMILTON COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS: I don't. You have to find out. Let's wait until election night, 7:31 p.m. and find out the first results that come in.

KING (voice-over): The early ballot count is the first clue of whether Republicans get the win they need here to offset the big Democratic edge in Cleveland and Columbus.

(on camera): When did you know four years ago?

MAGGIE WUELLNER, FINANCE DIRECTOR, HAMILTON COUNTY GOP: We knew right away. It was -- we knew right when the absentee numbers came in four years ago. So it was not going to be a good night for us.

KING (voice-over): In 2008 was the first time since 1964 Hamilton County went blue for president. Hamilton county GOP's Maggie Wuellner says it's very different this year.

WUELLNER: Absentee is great. Actually it's better than four years ago. I've just seen the energy. We've had volunteers come in from 15 different states to work the grounds here and we didn't have that four years ago.

KING: Back then, Cincinnati's African-American neighborhoods bust with the chance to make history.

(on camera): It is harder this time?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it is.

KING (voice-over): Harder anyway says State Representative Alicia Reece. Then this, a blunt message or warning suddenly appeared on 30 billboards in and around Cincinnati p\Paid for by a private family foundation.

(on camera): Voter fraud is against the law. What is wrong with that?

ALICA REECE, OHIO STATE HOUSE: Well, what's wrong with it is, one, it's strategically placed to target a certain segment of people. Two, there's been voter confusion in Ohio. When they're going to be able to vote, who gets to vote?

KING (voice-over): Initially furious, Reece now sees a silver lining. REECE: Voter intimidation turned into motivation and people now see it not just about just the president, they see it now as an attack on them.

KING: Less worried now she says that turnout will be low to carry Hamilton County again.

REECE: It will be blue.

KING (on camera): Are you sure about that?

REECE: It will be blue.

KING: And if it's blue?

REECE: We win Ohio. We win the presidency.

KING (voice-over): If so, Reece says this anonymous warning may prove to be an anonymous gift.

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SAVIDGE: Voters will get to see the candidates face-to-face on stage one last time. President Obama and Mitt Romney's third and last debate happens Monday night in Florida. You can watch that showdown right here live on CNN at 7:00 p.m. Eastern Time.

It's wedding bells for one celebrity couple. Justin Timberlake and Jessica Biel tie the knot. Find out where it happened.

If you have to go out today, and I sure hope you don't, but if you do, just reminder, you can continue watching me and CNN from your mobile phone. You can also watch CNN live from your laptop, just go to cnn.com/tv.

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SAVIDGE: It's a done deal, actor and musician, Justin Timberlake, and actress, Jessica Biel, are married. "People" magazine reporting that they tied the knot at a private ceremony in Italy. It's been a long time coming.

Biel and Timberlake dated for five years. "People" magazine says that it will have wedding details and the pictures spread in next week's issue, which will be out if can you wait Wednesday.

After making history as the first openly guy boxer Orlando Cruz has retained his featherweight title. Friday night Cruz beat Jorge Pazos at a match at the Kissimmee Civic Center in Florida according to "USA Today." This is Cruz's first victory since coming out earlier this month.

And a daredevil feat with a political twist, two skydivers wearing masks of Mitt Romney and President Obama leaped out of the plane. There they go, holding hands at 12,000 feet in the air upside down. They staged a mock debate as they plummeted. The jump is organized to promote an upcoming parachute competition in Arizona.

A New Orleans Saints fan is suing the NFL because, get this, he says season ticket holders aren't getting what they paid for since the bounty suspensions. Our legal guys will let us know if this case is a touchdown or a major fumble.

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SAVIDGE: A sex scandal rocks a small town in Maine, a Zumba fitness instructor and her business partner are charged with running a prostitution business out of her studio. Apparently, a lot more than dancing is going on.

And that's not all. Some of the names from Alexis Wright's client list are now public. Let's bring back the legal guys, Avery Friedman in Washington and Richard Herman in Las Vegas.

You can tell I've been chomping at the bit on this one. What I find interesting in this case is names. OK, she kept apparently meticulous records, about 150 names on this client list.

It's a relatively small town and it's Maine, for goodness sakes and the names are coming out. They're coming out slowly. First and foremost, Avery, your thoughts on just naming the clients here, they're accused, they're not convicted.

FRIEDMAN: Well, that's exactly right. That's the delicate balance we have in a free society. The freedom of the press, even the government says we respectfully request that you don't dole out the people's homes and knock on their doors.

The fact is, though, that's the balance. And Judge Tom Warren, who's the judge presiding over this, has to make the balance. A hockey coach resigned, a former mayor's name is on the list. Believe it or not, Marty, a television personality is on that list, too.

SAVIDGE: Yes.

FRIEDMAN: So it's the balance. It's the balance of a free society, freedom of the press and personal privacy. These individuals have tempted to get protective relief from the judge who up to this point has denied it. I think it all goes public.

SAVIDGE: OK, Richard, I was curious about the way they're releasing it. In other words, all 150 did in the come out at once. It's being done in sort of waves. And I'm wondering, does that make it worse?

HERMAN: I think it might, Marty. It's torturous, actually, right? I think you do know if you're on that list.

SAVIDGE: If you're on that list, you know it.

FRIEDMAN: Sure, you do.

HERMAN: Right. You know you're on the list. Listen, they're going full steam ahead. They're dumping a ton of money into this prosecution because this is like the big thing. Forget about drugs and murders, homicides, this is the big thing up in Kennebunkport, Maine.

Go after this woman and her fitness studio. And go after everybody. So that's what they're doing. The names are coming out. They're innocent until proven guilty. Solicitation of a prostitute is a crime. I don't know if they'll be afforded protection for that and everything.

FRIEDMAN: Wait a minute. Wasn't this --

HERMAN: It's a crime. It's allowed to be reported. Whether or not you're guilty is another story, but it's all coming out. And it's a scandal.

SAVIDGE: Wait a minute. Avery, before you jump in. Wait a minute. I want to point out that also she apparently videotaped a lot of these twists.

FRIEDMAN: Right.

SAVIDGE: I'm wondering, does that make it an issue where the johns could somehow be -- or say, I was victimized here. I was videotaped?

FRIEDMAN: Yes, they're going to bring a right of privacy case, Marty. That's not going to happen -- it's criminal activity. That's not a defense to it. Wasn't Zumba what was done or -- no that was Bunga- Bunga. That is entirely different, right.

SAVIDGE: Nice of you to point that out, Avery. Thank you very much for bringing that up.

FRIEDMAN: That's why I'm here.

SAVIDGE: All right, let's move on to the other issue we want to talk about here. That has to do with the Saints. That's right, football. OK, I got so caught up in Zumba.

HERMAN: Take it easy, Marty.

SAVIDGE: Here you have a season ticket holder of the New Orleans Saints. He's claiming because of the punishment that is needed as a result of the bounty scandal. That his team is no longer going to be any good.

And that violates his ticket. This was somehow a break -- a breach of a contract. He is suing, I think, for $5 million in damages. It's a class action suit. Richard, does he have a point?

HERMAN: He has a point, Marty, whether or not it's a valid point is another issue here. You know, there are good restaurants. He may spend his time over there may be better spent. Look, this team used to be called the ain'ts, not the Saints.

They've had a horrible winning percentage over the years. However, they fill that stadium every year. I think his argument is this. Listen, if you were going to go to a Broadway show and they were saying these are the stars that are going to be performing and you go that night and the stars are taken off the stage, you would want your money back.

And what he is saying the NFL knew about their investigation. They knew they were going to come down and suspend players. But they waited until after the season ticket holders purchased all their tickets.

And then they unleashed their reign of terror on the Saints, suspending Vilma, getting rid of the coach, doing all that so he's saying basically they were defrauded or a breach of contract by the NFL upon the season ticket holders.

SAVIDGE: That sounds like a really good argument to make, Avery. What do you think of it?

FRIEDMAN: I think it's a terrible argument. The basis for jurisdiction is that there is diversity. I think it's awful. I don't think the case -- I mean jurisdiction has been asserted.

One of the arguments is the due process rights of players, not us, the due process rights of players and managers have been violated. In other words, 85,000 fans are asserting the rights of third persons.

There is no way this case may be able to go forward. It may be sanctionable in my opinion. But I understand the frustration New Orleans fans. The fact is they're 1-4. They used to be worse than that, but it is not the basis of a federal case at least on the merits. I don't think it prevails.

SAVIDGE: Richard, is a ticket a contract of sorts?

HERMAN: It is.

SAVIDGE: In other words, the NFL violated this contract.

HERMAN: Marty, it could arguably be some sort of a contract where you're purchasing a ticket and expectation of seeing an event and an event that has been publicized and basically lured you into purchasing because you want to see these particular participants and now you can't. What they're saying is the NFL intentionally -- intentionally did it. That may be the hard thing to prove.

FRIEDMAN: I agree. I agree.

HERMAN: We agree. We both agree.

HERMAN: I like that. Yes, all right. Well, we covered quite a bit there. We've gone from Zumba to Italy and now to the Saints. Thank you very much. We did put in a request to the NFL for their side on all of this and we did not get a response back.

FRIEDMAN: Nobody ever calls you back. I don't know why that is. They should be calling you back, don't you think?

SAVIDGE: They should. See you both later. Thanks very much.

FRIEDMAN: OK, take care, Marty.

SAVIDGE: As you know, the legal guys are here every Saturday at noon and 4:00 Eastern to give us their take on the most intriguing legal cases of the day. And we certainly did that.

A big victory for a Texas high school cheerleading squad, case closed for now because a judge has temporarily ruled they can continue to carry banners that display Christian bible verses at football games.

There will be a trial date that is set for next June. The local district banned the banners after someone complained. But the cheerleaders sued claiming their free speech rights were violated.

Wineries, they're not the typical get away. But for wine enthusiasts, it is a great way to taste different wines and to take in the beautiful landscape. Holly Firfer guids through the dos and don'ts in this "On The Go."

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HOLLY FIRFER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): With lush vineyards and grapes ripe for the picking, the wine harvest or crush season is in full swing.

MICHELE BIGLEY, TRAVEL WRITER: The best time to visit wineries if you want action is to go right in the peak of harvest. That would take place in late summer or early fall. During this time, there are festivals, there are people all around. You'll see wine makers crushing grapes and turning them into wine.

FIRFER: A winery is not just about the wine, but the wine experience. So at your very first stop, make sure you learn how to sample wine properly.

BIGLEY: It's called wine tasting not wine chugging. So you want to make sure you sample responsibly. You don't need to drink all the wine offered you to, especially if you don't like it.

FIRFER: You also may want to consider getting a designated driver or going on foot.

BIGLEY: You could visit one of the historic downtown areas that have four to five winery own tasting rooms within walking distance. That way can you pop in and out of tasting rooms without having to get in the car.

FIRFER: And don't forget a souvenir.

BIGLEY: If you happen to be at a winery and fall in love with a wine and want to take it home, check in advance that your state is one of the 39 states that allows you to ship wine back.

(END VIDEOTAPE) SAVIDGE: Social media isn't just an extra tool for small business anymore. It is now absolutely critical. What happens if you don't get it?

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SAVIDGE: This next story is essential for any small business owner. Your customers don't live around the block anymore you probably figured that out. They live around the world. Their language is social media.

And if you don't understand it or, well, let's face it, you could be out of business. Christine Romans explains in "Smart is the New Rich."

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CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There's Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Google Plus and Instagram, just to name a few. The tangled web of social networks leaves small business owners scratching their heads.

(on camera): Social media is the new word of mouth. This is how people are talking.

FLORA SHEPELSKY, OWNER, DESIGN BY FLORA: That's what I'm told. I'm embarrassed to say I haven't believed in it.

ROMANS (voice-over): Flora's business manufacturers and sells high end wigs, the cost, anywhere from $2,000 to $10,000. Every wig comes with Flora's personal touch and privacy.

SHEPELSKY: It's not an item that you walk by and say I'm going to buy me a wig.

ROMANS (on camera): So this is a very different kind of customer shop owner relationship. This is very personal. This is a very personal thing to buy.

SHEPELSKY: It's a marriage.

ROMANS (voice-over): Today though she's not giving a customer a makeover, she is getting one from social media expert Gary Vaynerchuk.

GARY VAYNERCHUK, SOCIAL MEDIA EXPERT: If you're not on Facebook and Twitter in 2012-13, you're not a relevant business in our society.

ROMANS: Fifty three percent of small businesses use social media, that's up from 44 percent last year. But Vaynerchuk says few use it effectively.

VAYNERCHUK: Everybody thinks about social media as promotions, as e- mail, as talking. Twitter, more than Facebook or anywhere else, is about listening, less pushing the PR that you got in or that you opened a store and more searching on Twitter to jump into the conversations. Facebook is different. If you were to jump into some of the conversation on Facebook, they'd be upset. Facebook is much more private. It's your profile. But you had 102 people like this page. They want to receive information.

ROMANS: The goal, to get people online to spread Flora's message. But to find the people, she needs to look beyond Facebook and Twitter.

VAYNERCHUK: If you're lucky enough to be on the women demo and story tell to women, Pinterest is becoming almost a must. And then if you are looking for the hipster, younger crowd, that's when you get into Tumblr.

By you taking pictures of Instagram and taking those pictures and putting it out, people will see it 15, 20, 30 people at a time. Not in one lump sum, but they'll share it. That's one platform. I think Instagram is a must for you as well.

ROMANS: It may take some time to master the social media web. But Flora mastered one crucial step, posting here her first Instagram picture. Christine Romans, CNN, New York.

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SAVIDGE: And we're working a developing story out of L.A., we'll bring that to you after the break. Could it be the work of a sniper a shooting spree in Michigan? It's got law enforcement and officials are on edge there. We'll have details coming up.

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SAVIDGE: More information is coming out about a shooting that took place in Englewood, California. Five people had been shot. There is also a fire and a manhunt under way. Art Barron of KCAL-KCBS joins us now on the telephone. Art, what do we know?

ART BARRON, KCAL-KCBS REPORTER (via telephone): Well, Martin, I mean, this is a really tragic situation unfolding out here in Englewood, California. Around 4:00 this morning, L.A. County fire received a call that shots were fired. So they responded.

Upon their arrival, they found two people shot in the street, one in an alleyway and two others inside a house and also a house in the back of the front house is a back house where it's rented out by some tenant there.

What they have are a bunch of children, they have three children and two adults all shot. The father, the 30-year-old father died of his injuries at UCLA Medical Center a couple hours ago. And tragically, sadly, a 4-year-old boy who was shot in the head died of his injuries as well.

SAVIDGE: I have to interrupt you. I'm just going to stop you because we're going to run out of time, but quickly manhunt under way. Still looking for the suspect, right?

BARRON: They're looking for the suspect right now.

SAVIDGE: OK, Art Barron, we'll continue to stay in touch for updates. Thank you.

Coming up this afternoon on CNN NEWSROOM, an insider from the world of competitive cycling, we'll have the very latest on what is happening within the Lance Armstrong camp and what we can expect from the disgraced champion as details from his doping scandal continue to unfold.

And we're taking you on the campaign trail as the president and Governor Romney head into the homestretch and prepare for their very last debate. Find out why this time around the entire world will be watching. "YOUR MONEY" with Ali Velshi starts right now.