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Aired March 02, 2025 - 03:00   ET

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LYNDA KINKADE, CNN ANCHOR: Hello and welcome to all our viewers watching from around the world. I'm Lynda Kinkade.

Ahead on CNN Newsroom, British Prime Minister Keir Starmer welcomes Ukraine's president to Downing Street with a hug, a stark contrast to the finger pointing and shouting at the White House on Friday.

Israel says it will stop all humanitarian aid from entering Gaza as phase one of the ceasefire with Hamas is scheduled to end. So what comes next?

And aiming for the moon, the Blue Ghost lunar lander is set to touch down this hour. We're expecting live pictures as it approaches.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is expected to receive a massive show of support today from more than a dozen European leaders. They're scheduled to attend a Ukraine summit in London. President Zelenskyy met Saturday with British Prime Minister Keir Starmer. The pair finalized loans from the U.K. for more than $2 billion.

Mr. Zelenskyy received a reception that was quite different from his experience in Washington on Friday. He said the meeting in London was significant and warm. The prime minister's comments were a big change from President Trump's.

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KEIR STARMER, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: You're very, very welcome here in Downing Street. And as you heard from the cheers on the street outside, you have full backing across the United Kingdom.

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KINKADE: Well, compare that to this chaotic scene Friday with President Trump shouting at President Zelenskyy. That meeting ended with White House officials asking the Ukrainian president to leave.

CNN's Clare Sebastian joins us now from chilly London. Good to have you with us, Clare. So, the U.K. Prime Minister not only offering full support to Ukraine, but also a multibillion dollar accelerated loan for weapons production. How soon could Ukraine access that?

CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, look, Lynda, I think this is part of the messaging that we're going to get from Keir Starmer today. He wants not just these warm words of solidarity as Europe tries to essentially pick up the pieces from what happens on Friday, but he also wants action. So, we got that announcement on Saturday from the U.K. that they are sort of accelerating this $2.8 billion loan.

This is part of a G7 initiative where this is essentially a loan, but Ukraine won't have to repay this. This will be repaid using the windfall profits of those Russian frozen assets, these sovereign assets that were frozen at the beginning of the war. So, that will be given to Ukraine in three annual installments. We don't know exactly when they'll be dispersed, but it will be used, Ukraine says, for procuring weapons, essentially defense procurement.

So, that's, you know, part of the sort of fanfare around this visit, this call to action. But I think the symbolism really matters as well. As you said, we saw this sort of arrival, the hug on Downing Street, Keir Starmer came out to greet President Zelenskyy himself. He really wants to show that the U.K. and, of course, the rest of Europe, over a dozen European leaders here today are with Zelenskyy.

And there was a moment in front of the cameras in Downing Street right behind me here on Saturday, which I think sharply contrasted, as you noted, to what we saw in the Oval Office. Take a listen.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT: I want to thank you people of the United Kingdom, such big support from the very beginning of this war. Thank you, your team. And I'm very happy that his majesty the king accepted my meeting tomorrow. And I'm thankful that you organized such a great summit for tomorrow. And we are very happy in Ukraine that we have such strategic partners.

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SEBASTIAN: So, this has been somewhat of a pattern since the events that went down on Friday in Washington, these expressions of gratitude from President Zelenskyy. Obviously, he was berated by President Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance for his alleged lack of gratitude.

I think the meeting with the king is also highly symbolic. Obviously, that comes after the fanfare that we saw when Keir Starmer on Thursday in Washington presented President Trump with an invitation from the King for a second state visit. He called it unprecedented. He said it would be really special. I think the fact that President Zelenskyy will have that same audience with the king today is sort of a way of leveling the playing field here, a real sign of the U.K.'s solidarity with Ukraine.

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But the banner event, of course, will be just half a mile or so from here at Lancaster House, this meeting that has been pretty hastily convened. This is the kind of diplomacy that we're seeing at the moment with over a dozen European leaders. There'll also be the secretary general of NATO, E.U. top officials, the foreign minister of Turkey, lots of different officials coming together here today.

And then before that, we're going to also see another bilateral meeting. The prime minister of Italy, Giorgia Meloni will arrive, we expect, here at Downing Street just before that major meeting. This is an interesting choice for a bilateral meeting. She is a close ally of Trump. She also supports Ukraine. So, she will be walking this tightrope while at the same time, I think, trying to position herself as someone who can help build this bridge now between Europe and the U.S., Ukraine and the U.S., something that obviously now is in very serious damage control mode.

KINKADE: Yes, exactly right. Clare Sebastian for us outside 10 Downing Street, great to have you there for us. Stay warm, and thanks very much.

Well, the White House is calling Friday's diplomatic disaster a win for Donald Trump. CNN's Betsy Klein explains.

BETSY KLEIN, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE PRODUCER: Well, despite that united front in Europe, the White House really views this moment and President Trump's handling of this meeting with President Zelenskyy as a win. And to that point, we have seen the White House really amplify messages of support from top Republican lawmakers, as well as members of Trump's cabinet and other top White House officials, really amping up those messages and rave reviews for how Trump handled all of this.

Now, Vice President J.D. Vance is in a remote Vermont ski town this weekend, where protesters lined the streets, including one protester who held up a sign that said, quote, go ski in Russia, traitor.

Now, remember that back on the campaign trail in 2024, President Trump was very critical of U.S. support for Ukraine, and more broadly, American support for the war has waned over the past three years. Of course, President Trump really used this from an economic standpoint. He believes he can make a deal, broker peace between Russia and Ukraine, and he unilaterally spoke with Putin toward those ends. And this meeting with the Zelenskyy was ostensibly aimed at securing a deal on critical minerals. Zelenskyy also for his part expected to press Trump on security guarantees for his country.

But, of course, all of that devolved into this diplomatic breakdown on Friday, Trump and Vance berating Zelenskyy for not expressing enough gratitude to the U.S. for its support. And after the press departed, both sides retreated to different rooms in the West Wing, where Trump's advisers encouraged him to end the talks all together.

Now, then Trump dispatched Mike Waltz, his national security adviser, to tell the Ukrainians they were no longer welcome at the White House. Waltz's harsh words for Ukraine continued.

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MIKE WALTZ, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: He's clearly solely focused on believing he needs to fact check and correct every nuance. You know, it's like, you know, an ex girlfriend that wants to argue, you know, everything that you said nine years ago, rather than moving the relationships forward.

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KLEIN: Trump now claims that Zelenskyy doesn't want to make peace. Of course, that is something Zelenskyy himself refutes. But all of this as Trump is dramatically reimagining the role of the U.S. in the world and the role of those key alliances.

Now, diplomats say that tough talks and tense tension between world leaders happens all the time. What is not normal this time, of course, is that all of this happened in full view of the White House press corps.

Now, Trump, for his part, very aware of stagecraft. He said that he thought it would make, quote, great television. Of course, so many questions about the future of this relationship and whether they can salvage it.

Betsy Klein, CNN, traveling with the president in West Palm Beach, Florida.

KINKADE: Well, the spat at the White House was music to Russian officials' ears. There is no reaction yet from the Kremlin, but some officials echo the message from the Trump administration that Mr. Zelenskyy was disrespectful. One senior official said it was brilliant that the Ukrainian leader was kicked out of the White House. A Russian diplomatic envoy called the clash historic.

CNN Contributor Jill Dougherty says the Russian propaganda machine is seizing on it.

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JILL DOUGHERTY, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: I was looking at a tweet, you know, on X, and it was a Russian propaganda outlet that said, full video, how Trump and Vance destroyed Zelenskyy. So, that's -- you know, they're jubilant.

And I think, you know, seriously, why they are jubilant is because Zelenskyy is the person that they have wanted to, at the very least, depose, if not kill. They tried to kill him. He is a problem for them.

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He is actually one of the core objectives that Putin has talked about de-Nazification, and that's what they mean by de-Nazification, calling Zelenskyy, who is Jewish, a Nazi.

So, if this conversation in the Oval Office hurt Zelenskyy, undermined Zelenskyy, or made it really difficult for Zelenskyy going forward to even deal with the United States, score one for Russia. And then also, think of the other things that it helps Russia on. It divides Europe and the United States, because you can see, you were just talking about the reaction in Europe right now, it potentially could stop military aid from the United States to Ukraine, and then also, I think, on another level it kind of gets President Trump to look at the world the way Putin does.

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KINKADE: Well, for more analysis, we're joined by John Lough, the head of foreign policy at the New Eurasian Strategies Centre. He joins us from London. Good to have you with us.

JOHN LOUGH, HEAD OF FOREIGN POLICY, NEW EURASIAN STRATEGIES CENTRE: Good morning.

KINKADE: So, Donald Trump accused Zelenskyy of gambling with World War III. President Zelenskyy now says support from the U.S. is crucial. Can relations be salvaged? And if so, what needs to happen?

LOUGH: Very difficult to say. It's possible that the two sides can get back into dialogue, and I think an effort will be made to do that, certainly by the Ukrainians. The meeting today in London, this European summit, chaired by the British prime minister, Keir Starmer, could be an important part in that process.

Everybody realizes that to make a peace deal stick, the United States has to be involved beyond the signing of that peace deal. And the argument really is over to what extent President Trump can trust President Putin. He, Trump, believes that he's the one who knows Putin, he's the one who has the relationship and Putin's not going to let him down.

But Zelenskyy, of course, President Zelenskyy, for his part, has correctly argued that Putin has a very bad record when it comes to supporting or enforcing ceasefires, and therefore, if the U.S. is not is not involved, then this process is simply going to unravel.

Now, it would seem to me that President Trump wants the process to succeed. He can't domestically sell his diplomacy as a great success unless Putin sticks to his word or can be persuaded to stick to his word. So, I think this is very much up in the air at the moment, but I think there is a still a good chance that the dialogue between the Ukraine and the United States will continue.

KINKADE: So, you don't think there's any likelihood that the U.S. will pull its support?

LOUGH: There is, of course, a possibility, and it depends on how the Ukrainians now play their cards. But I think we can see that, first of all, President Trump has left things open. He hasn't said, I'm breaking off contact with Zelenskyy, I'll never speak to him again. He said he can come back to the White House when he's -- I think in President Trump's words, you know, he's committed to peace and the, you know, signaling from President Zelenskyy himself immediately after this dreadful scene in the White House. When he gave his Fox News interview, you know, he made it, he made it clear that you know, he wants to continue to talk and to clearly find a solution because he understands the importance of the United States still being involved. So, I think, yes, it is going to be extremely difficult. But here, somebody such as Keir Starmer, who has a seemingly a good relationship with both sides, he's going to have to walk a tightrope to try to persuade the U.S. to continue talking to Zelenskyy. And I think what is alarming is the effort. We just had a clip there from the national security adviser, Mike Waltz, it's almost as though the U.S. side wants some somehow to delegitimize Zelenskyy. They talked some weeks ago about the need for elections in Ukraine because of martial law. At the moment, Ukraine can't hold elections. Normally, they would have taken place. And it's almost as though the U.S. is singing from the same hymn sheet as Putin, saying that, you know, Zelenskyy isn't a legitimate leader. How do we negotiate with somebody like that?

So, here, I think there's going to be a need for Ukraine to rely on its European allies to bring the message to Washington that Zelenskyy is the man they have to deal with

KINKADE: And speaking off those European allies, we know 19 leaders throughout Europe, a meeting in London today to discuss how they can support Ukraine, the U.K. P.M. has already promised to accelerate $2.8 billion loan to Ukraine with funds coming from profits of frozen Russian assets.

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Why is it a loan? If it's coming from Russian assets, who would Ukraine need to repay that loan?

LOUGH: I think this is all a question of when those Russian assets will, in fact, be confiscated and can be used then to fund Ukraine. So, the money that the U.K. has committed to give Ukraine would be borrowed against those frozen assets. So, it's on the assumption at some point that they can be confiscated. That's my understanding.

KINKADE: While we could witness a major space milestone later this hour, the Blue Ghost lunar lander will attempt to descend to the moon's surface. The lander is privately owned by a U.S. company, Firefly Aerospace. It carries ten NASA science and technology instruments on board. And if the landing is successful, those instruments will be used to collect data, primarily on the moon's subsurface.

The data collection initiative is part of NASA's wider aim to land astronauts on the moon for the first time in more than half a century. We're going to go live to our space and defense analyst as we get closer to the landing attempt.

Still to come, Israel is keeping aid from Gaza as phase one of its ceasefire deal with Hamas expires. We'll bring you the latest, next.

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KINKADE: Israel has stopped the entry of all humanitarian aid into Gaza. Now, Hamas is calling that move cheap blackmail and a war crime. The first phase of the ceasefire hit its official expiration date Saturday. Hamas is refusing a U.S.-backed extension of that phase that Israel supports and is insisting on advancing to the second phase.

An Israeli spokesperson says the fragile Gaza ceasefire will not continue without the release of Israeli hostages. Otherwise, the prime minister's office warns that there will be additional consequences. The proposal that Israel supports would carry the first phase of the ceasefire through the Islamic holy month of Ramadan and the Jewish Passover. An extended truce would start with the release of half of the remaining Israeli hostages in Gaza, living and deceased.

The proposal would not mean that Israel and Hamas are entering the next phase of the deal, which is what Hamas says should come next. Here's what one former U.S. Middle East negotiator is predicting.

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AARON DAVID MILLER, FORMER U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT, MIDDLE EAST NEGOTIATOR: I suspect there'll be a lot of toing and froing on this. There'll be more negotiating if I were to make a prediction. There may be even one additional hostage release if Hamas can be induced and pressured to do that. But I think there's a high likelihood that at some point the Israelis will resume their military campaign.

And by all accounts, once the new chief of staff takes his position first week in March, it's going to be a very aggressive military response.

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KINKADE: Well, Pope Francis had a peaceful night and is resting according to the Vatican. On Friday, the pontiff had suffered what was called an episode of respiratory difficulty. He required high flow oxygen therapy using noninvasive mechanical ventilation to treat his double pneumonia.

Healthcare workers from Gemelli Hospital, where the pope is undergoing treatment, made a pilgrimage to St. Peter's Basilica Saturday. They braved the rain and prayed for the pontiff's continued recovery.

Still to come, new details from the investigation into the death of Hollywood icon Gene Hackman and his wife. We'll have more next.

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KINKADE: Welcome back. Any moment now, the privately owned Blue Ghost lunar lander could touch down on the moon's near side. You're looking right now at pictures of the control room and a simulation of what that Lunar Lander looks like. Firefly Aerospace is a Texas-based company that developed the Blue Ghost, and it's just one of several private sector companies that has collaborated with NASA and its partner agencies.

And Blue Ghost is just one in a long line of lunar landers that are helping to pave the way for Astronauts to return to the moon later this decade. We're going to go live to our Space and Defense Analyst Kristin Fisher as we get closer to that landing attempt.

KINKADE: We are -- investigators to tell us exactly why a legendary actor Gene Hackman and his wife died, but there are new details emerging.

CNN's Julia Vargas Jones has more now from New Mexico.

JULIA VARGAS JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: New Mexico authorities releasing two new crucial pieces of information that are pushing this investigation forward. One of them is that Gene Hackman was likely dead for nine days before he and his wife were found in their Santa Fe home. And that's according to data from his family., So we're going to talk a little bit more about that in just a moment, but first, let's take a look at this pacemaker analyzed by forensic pathologists working with authorities here on this case. The last activity recorded on that pacemaker was on February 17th.

The other piece of information is that both Gene Hackman and Ms. Arakawa tested negative for carbon monoxide poisoning. That's notable because neither of them had any physical external signs of trauma on their bodies when they were found, and no foul play is suspected at this point, although the sheriff here did say that he hasn't been completely rolled out. It is an ongoing investigation that they are still in carrying out.

In a search warrant released on Friday, we got some more details about the deputies that responded to this call, what they saw as they entered the home. One of the things that is noted is that the deputy believed that they might have both fallen in separate rooms of the house, Ms. Arakawa in a bathroom, where she was on the floor next to a space heater and with pills scattered on the counter near her, and Mr. Hackman was near the kitchen in a sort of mudroom of the house with a cane and sunglasses next to him. Some medication was recovered from the house, according to this warrant, some medication for thyroid issues, medication for blood pressure as well as Tylenol and some medical records as well.

The sheriff did say that in this investigation, timing has been a challenge. Piecing together a timeline has been really difficult because this was a couple that lived a very private life and lived in a secluded home here in Santa Fe with no recording devices in the home. They did recover both of their cell phones, which they will be analyzing for further clues. But he said that they're trying to piece together a reverse timeline from the time of their deaths into the days and hours up until they died.

This, of course, pointing to the toxicology report and the autopsy as the main sources of information, they should come in the next three to six weeks, although they did warn that it could take even longer.

Julia Vargas Jones, CNN, Santa Fe, New Mexico.

KINKADE: Well, we are waiting for the Blue Ghost spacecraft to touch down on the moon at any minute. We're going to go live to our Space and Defense Analyst Kristin Fisher when we come back.

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KINKADE: Welcome back. I'm Lynda Kinkade.

At any moment now, the Blue Ghost lunar lander will attempt a touchdown on the moon. The spacecraft was developed by Texas-based Firefly Aerospace and it's just one of a number of privately owned lunar landers that NASA hopes will lead to the return of astronauts to the moon later this decade.

Blue Ghost's mission is to land near an ancient volcanic feature on the far eastern edge of the moon's visible face.

Well, CNN contributor Kristin Fisher joins us live from Washington, D.C. An exciting morning, good to see you, Kristin.

So, this company is one of a number of private companies headed to the moon with this lunar lander. Just explain what's going to happen and what the chance of a successful landing is.

KRISTIN FISHER, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, statistically speaking, Lynda, only about 50 percent of lunar landers make it successfully, softly touch down on the surface of the moon. So, it really is a 50-50 shot, statistically speaking. But when you talk to the folks at Firefly Aerospace, Fireflies, as they're called who are in Austin's mission control room right now, they have so much confidence in their team and in this Blue Ghost lunar lander, which is now about 1 minute and 30 seconds to touching down on the surface of the moon.

Lynda, I don't need to tell you what a big moment this is. You know, up until about a year ago, it had been about 50 years, 51 years before an American-made spacecraft had landed on the surface of the moon. The last time this had happened was the end of the Apollo program in 1972. Then Intuitive Machines did it last February and now Firefly attempting to make their own history by landing successfully on the surface of the moon on its first attempt. Now, just about -- now, the countdown clock says about two minutes.

And so what's happening now is this spacecraft is equipped with cameras, which is different than a lot of the other lunar landers in the past. A lot of those lunar landers were equipped with LIDAR lasers to try to ping the surface of the moon to find a safe spot to land. That's proven to be a little hit or miss. That lander back a year ago from intuitive machines, when it landed, it tipped over a little bit.

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And so what Firefly is trying to do with these new visuals and these, this camera, vision, optical guidance, is use eyesight, essentially, to find a good place to land on the surface of the moon. That's really revolutionary. And it's the reason why, Lynda, we have seen so many amazing images already beamed back from this mission, Lynda. KINKADE: Yes. I want you to talk us through some of those images, because it's less than two minutes away from landing on the moon, but it's been traveling for 45 days, right? It's been snapping some incredible shots of both the Earth and moon.

FISHER: Yes. So, I can't quite see the images that are that you guys are showing right now, but, Lynda, you know, my favorite has been like this really close flyover of the moon where you can see just in 4K quality, the moon's really huge and deep craters. And it really gives you a good sense for just how tricky it is to land on the moon. I mean, Lynda, when the surface of the moon, you know, it's been -- it has no atmosphere. And so it's just been pelted by you know, asteroids, little micro meteorites, meteorites.

KINKADE: Kristin, it's just a few seconds left. We're just going to listen in and see if we can hear it landing.

FISHER: Okay, let's do it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) shut down now.

KINKADE: Now, this --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three contact sensors tripped (ph). Engine shutdown confirmed.

KINKADE: -- yet to hear the reaction but it should have landed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Vehicle is charging.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: IMU reports lunar gravity and it is stable.

KINKADE: It says it's stable. They're saying it's stable. That it has --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Alcon (ph), chief engineer on ops, we have a successful landing. We're on the moon.

KINKADE: They're on the moon.

FISHER: Wow. So, you know, for something like this, you really have to rely on this commercial space company for its data and for its information. But, I mean, if you believe what Firefly Aerospace is saying right there, they have done it. They have achieved their dream, something that all of these Fireflies have been working on for so long.

And, Lynda, what this moment means, I mean, yes, it's a big deal for this Texas-based, Austin-based company, and they've got this really cool kind of Austin-style watch party that's happening right now.

But, I mean, this is really an opening up of the lunar economy. This is not NASA doing this. This is not the U.S. government that's doing this. This is part of NASA's CLPS program. But what CLPS has done is it's outsourcing all of these robotic lunar landers to the moon. So, NASA's essentially just one of many paying customers here. And that's been deliberate because NASA is really trying to see the beginnings of what it hopes will be a lunar economy to make sustained -- to make the future of lunar exploration a sustained thing and not just a one-off, like the Apollo program, where spacecraft just landed on the moon, astronauts walked around and then came back. With this new program, Artemis, all these robotic lunar landing attempts are the precursors for landing humans on the moon, Lynda.

And so this is really the fact that this CLPS program has had not one but two successes now really showing that NASA is heading in the right direction here.

KINKADE: Yes, it's certainly it's so exciting. Of course, there is so many challenges as you referenced earlier. Only 50 percent of these lunar landers make a successful touchdown. And we know that the lunar surface is full of craters, one of the many challenges that it had to navigate. Talk to us about the design of the Blue Ghost. You mentioned the videos, the filming technology that it's got on board, but what else have developers done to reduce the risk, to ensure that it could have a successful landing?

FISHER: Well, one of the biggest challenges for lunar landers, historically speaking, has been that they tend to tip over, right? Like it's just -- it's easy to get one of their legs caught in a crater or caught under a rock and then they tip over a bit. And that's what happened with Intuitive Machines last February, so about a year and one month ago. It successfully made a soft landing, but then it tipped over, which reduced the duration in which the spacecraft was able to operate.

So, what Firefly has done with its Blue Ghost lunar lander is instead of having a really tall lunar lander, they've lowered the center of gravity. So, it's a bit shorter, it's a bit wider, a little bit stockier. They're hoping that that will make it less prone to tipping over. And then, Lynda, one of the other things that they've done is they've made the legs a bit more pliable, maneuverable. They have a bit more cushion, like shocks and a car on a dirt bike, to kind of allow it to have a bit more give when it lands, so it's not as rigid in case it does get a leg caught under a rock or something like that, like what happened at Intuitive Machines about a year ago.

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And, you know, Lynda, I know the big question that everybody wants to know right now is when can we get these live images back, when can we start seeing images from Firefly from Firefly's Blue Ghost back here on Earth? And Firefly has said that we expect to see the first live images from this lander in about 30 minutes after touchdown. So, we shouldn't have too long of a wait.

KINKADE: Yes, it's very exciting. And as you say, multiple video cameras on board, and it's going to spend some 14 days on the moon. What other information will it gather in that time?

FISHER: So, the purpose of this lander, I mean, yes, Firefly is trying to prove to NASA and prove to the world that it can land this lander on the moon, right? That's the first goal. See if this thing even works. Once it's there, it is bringing along with it, or it has just brought along with it since it just allegedly touched down, ten scientific payloads. Some of these payloads are from NASA. Some of these are from other private companies or research institutions. And some have been working throughout the mission. Others are going to be deployed after touching down.

KINKADE: We will --

FISHER: And so some of the things that --

KINKADE: Kristin, we're going to have to interrupt. We're going to wrap it here, but we will check in with you next hour as those visuals come in from the Blue Ghost, a successful landing on the moon.

Thanks so much for joining us. I'm Lynda Kincaid in Atlanta. World Sport is next. Much more news with Kim Brunhuber next hour.

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