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Trump Says U.S. Talking To China On Tariffs; Gunman Identified as Deputy's Son, 2 Confirmed Dead; Israel In Damage Control Over Reservist Calls To End Gaza War; Luigi Mangione Indicted In Federal Court In CEO Killing; France Touts Excellent Us Europe Talks On Ukraine; At Least 38 Killed, 102 Injured In U.S. Air Strikes On Yemen; Trump: Fed Chair's Termination Can't come Fast Enough; Mexican Cafe Rebrands "Cafe Americano" as "Cafe Mexicano"; Judge Rules Google is an Online Advertising Monopoly; Vatican Prepares to Mark Good Friday Amid Pontiff's Recovery; Animal Advocates Warn against Gifting Live Animals; A Historian's Quest to Save Luxurious Ocean Liners. Aired 1- 2a ET

Aired April 18, 2025 - 01:00   ET

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JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: You could almost set your watch to the timing ahead on CNN Newsroom.

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DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: If I want him out, he'll be out of there real fast, believe me.

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VAUSE: Cue the outrage and insults. 24 hours after the chair of the Federal Reserve warned Trump's tariffs will cause harm to the U.S. economy.

The son of a sheriff's deputy, the latest alleged killer on campus in the US.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cops running, students running. It was just like complete chaos.

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VAUSE: The alleged gunman shot by police but still alive. And according to investigators, his handgun belonged to his mother.

Growing dissent within the ranks of Israel's military.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gaza is demolished, but Hamas killed rules the place. So where are we heading?

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VAUSE: Reservists, fighter pilots, former spies and others all calling for an end to what they say is a politicized war in Gaza.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Live from Atlanta. This is CNN Newsroom with John Vause.

VAUSE: An upbeat and optimistic sounding U.S. president is predicting new trade agreements with many countries can be hammered out within four weeks.

That would be light speed compared with every other U.S. free trade agreement. President Trump also confirmed indirect talks are underway with Beijing, raising hopes of a possible breakthrough in a trade war which continues to rattle financial markets. But the president would not say if he has personally spoken with his very good friend, Chinese President Xi Jinping.

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TRUMP: I think we're going to make a deal with China. We're going to make a deal with everybody. And if we don't make a deal, we'll just set a target and that will live with that and it'll be fine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How much time?

TRUMP: I would think over the next three or four weeks. I think maybe the whole thing could be concluded.

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VAUSE: And during a White House meeting with at least prime minister, President Trump made this prediction about negotiations with the EU.

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TRUMP: Oh, there'll be a trade deal, 100 percent. Why you think there won't be? Of course there'll be a trade deal. Very much. They want to make one very much. And we're going to make a trade deal. I fully expect it, but it'll be a fair deal.

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VAUSE: CNS Jeff Zeleny has more now reporting in from the White House.

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JEFF ZELENY, CNN CHIEF U.S. NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: After upending financial markets and rearranging the global trading economy, President Trump signaled again on Thursday that he's open for business and wants to renegotiate some of this sweeping tariff policy that caused so much chaos in the financial markets.

Another world leader visited the White House on Thursday, this time the Italian prime minister, Giorgia Meloni. She was representing the European Union, but it was clear President Trump had China and other nations on his mind.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They've reached out since the 145 percent tariffs?

TRUMP: Oh, yes, sure.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you believe that?

TRUMP: A lot. A lot. All the time we're talking. I think that we will make a deal with China. I think we've had some very good talks.

ZELENY: Now, the president repeatedly talking about how China would like to make a deal. There is very little indication that President Xi Jinping has blinked at all. In fact, there is more evidence that the Trump administration has given concessions and exemptions along the way.

The idea of reaching a deal with all of these countries in three to four weeks is something that strikes officials as very optimistic, to say the least. But it is clear that the president said he did believe he could reach some type of a negotiation with the European Union. That's why Meloni was here in Washington.

She was trying to avoid that 20 percent tariff that was initially scheduled to go into effect two weeks ago. That was put on pause until July 9th or so.

But again, all of this tariff policy coming as the president is continuing to lash out at the Federal Reserve chair, Jerome Powell, giving the markets even more uncertainty. Jeff Zeleny, CNN, the White House.

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VAUSE: Live now to Seoul, CNN's Mike Valerio there for us. So, you know, we've got a situation where the president certainly is sounding very upbeat and optimistic about everything that could happen, but there's still confusion from the White House.

MIKE VALERIO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Still confusing, certainly from the White House and also from Beijing. You know, John, I wish were talking in an hour to an hour and a half, you and I, because we're going to have a briefing from Beijing, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. It's scheduled for Friday at 3:00 pm. So you bet we're going to be asking more questions to the press secretary and the spokesperson who is standing in front of that lectern to ask them, OK, so we have President Trump behind the Resolute Desk saying that talks are happening between Beijing, but just how high level are those talks?

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And it seems as though the optimism, according to our latest reporting from Beijing and the region, is not shared, it's not mirrored between D.C. and Beijing, people who are familiar with Beijing's point of view. One source who is the crux of our main reporting is saying that there's still a respect problem. That what we heard from the Oval Office with President Trump saying, oh, yes, there's going to be a trade deal three to four weeks, that we have a great relationship with Xi Jinping.

There's that song that the president is singing, but it's not mirrored by his other officials like Vice President J.D. Vance, like Secretary of State Marco Rubio. There's still hawkish language and according to our reporting from Beijing, Trump's refusal to disavow that kind of language, like Vice President Vance calling people in China peasants and saying that the United States borrows from peasants, buy peasants stuff things that peasants manufacture. That's not helpful. That is putting negotiations in certainly the opposite direction that they want to go.

But you know what, when we look at the markets here in Seoul and in Tokyo, that is the opposite story. They're both in the green right now, relatively solid gains both in Seoul and Tokyo on this last day of trading in the week because they seem to think these key American allies, the negotiations for them are going in the right direction.

So the White House certainly wants to convey to the world that for these two key Asia trading partners, Japan and South Korea, it can bring them to the negotiating table pretty early and come out with a trade deal that is notable because we have huge car exporters here between Japan and South Korea. Think Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia. So he is keen to make a deal. China, though, still, John, remains elusive.

VAUSE: Mike, thank you. Mike Valerio in Seoul. Appreciate the report.

VALERIO: No problem.

VAUSE: Well, the leaders of Canada's main political parties met for their last debate of the election on Thursday, each trying to prove they have what it takes to stand up to Donald Trump. They sparred over housing policy, the cost of living, energy proposals. But the U.S. president's tariffs and his threats to annex Canada have dominated the campaign. They've upended the polls with Liberal Party leader and current Prime Minister Mark Carney now leading.

His main competition, the Conservatives hope to regain that lead. A French language debate was held on Wednesday. Canada's general election takes place April 28th.

Well, U.S. Senator Chris Van Hollen appears to be the first U.S. official who's actually had a conversation directly meeting with a Maryland man who was wrongly deported to El Salvador. Van Holland said he met with Kilmar Abrego Garcia in San Salvador on Thursday.

The Salvadorian president, Nayib Bukele, posted pictures of the meeting on social media, writing Abrego Garcia gets the, quote, honor of staying in El Salvador's custody. The Trump administration initially said in court documents, but Abrego Garcia was deported because of a clerical error. But in the past few days, U.S. officials have denied his deportation was a mistake. Also Thursday, U.S. Appeals Court rejected a new Trump administration

request to block a judge's order directing it to facilitate Abrego Garcia's return. The court says the administration's assertions in the case should be shocking not only to the judge, but to the sense of liberty Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.

The court also criticized Trump administration efforts to undo rulings in the case, saying a conflict between the judiciary and the White House promises to diminish both branches of government.

The latest mass shooting on a school campus in the U.S. has left two people dead, five others wounded, and the son of a local sheriff's deputy in hospital and accused of being the shooter. He's also a student at Florida State University in Tallahassee, where police allege just before midday he opened fire with his mother's handgun.

The 20-year-old was shot by police after refusing to comply with their demands. His injuries are described as serious but not life threatening. Staff and students were sent running for cover as the gunman began shooting, triggering a campus wide lockdown. This is the sixth mass shooting this year in just the state of Florida alone. CNN's Nick Valencia reports now from Tallahassee.

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NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A heartbreaking tragedy on the campus of FSU here in Tallahassee that has shattered the safety and security of so many here on campus. And a big question remains here is the motive of this alleged gunman and authorities are asking themselves that question. They say that the gunman has invoked his Fifth Amendment right and is not cooperating with investigators.

But at a press conference earlier, here are the details that they gave. They say that alleged gunman came on campus here through this entrance just behind me and at about 11:50 on Thursday opened fire. The witnesses that we spoke to said they heard sporadic gunfire in rapid succession. And one of those witnesses is the chaplain at the church here. Just off camera, it was a church that ended up being a shelter for hundreds of students as they rushed to safety. And it was that chaplain who said he saw the look of fear on those students that he had never seen before.

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FATHER LUKE FARABAUGH, WITNESS: People were coming with faces of terror and it was fear that I had not seen before. And it was very, I mean, it really shakes you up. And so as they were coming in, we secured the building and we only had one entrance available so we could see who's coming in. And I was personally concerned about stray bullets because I knew that was coming from very close by. But were able to help people and there was a lot of shock.

VALENCIA: While investigators say the threat to the community is over, as of Thursday night, it was still somewhat of an active scene. We spotted investigators on the scene, a biologics team still cleaning up the aftermath of that incident, and a shoe that was just sort of left at random on the sidewalk of the campus, an eerie symbol of what went down here on Thursday morning. That Catholic Church I mentioned had a mass as well on Thursday where hundreds of people showed up. No standing room only.

There was no room in any of those pews and they covered those victims in prayer. Not much is known about the victims, only that the two that were killed were not students at FSU. And as of Thursday night, those injured were listed in stable condition. Nick Valencia, CNN, Tallahassee, Florida.

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VAUSE: The only suspect in the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO has now been indicted on federal charges, which includes stalking, there's a firearms offence as well as murder. The federal murder charge means the suspect, Luigi Mangione, could be sentenced to death if found guilty.

And the U.S. Attorney General has said the Justice Department will seek the death penalty. Mangione has previously pleaded not guilty to New York state charges.

The Menendez brothers will have to wait until next month for their next chance at freedom. Lyle and Erik Menendez were sentenced to life in prison for the 1989 murder of their parents. On Thursday, their long awaited resentencing hearing was delayed for three weeks. The reason was a disagreement over the court's access to the parole board's risk assessments. The board's report concerns the risk the brothers would pose to the public if they were released.

California's Attorney General opposes new sentencing or a new trial for the brothers. An attorney for the family wants him removed from the case.

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MARK GERAGOS, ATTORNEY FOR THE MENENDEZ FAMILY: This particular DA has decided that he's got some other interest to vindicate that has nothing to do with the victims. Why at the last minute, he does a Hail Mary filing of a motion to continue and does notify any of the victims or the victim's lawyer. Why? What is going on? Whose interest is he vindicating.

NATHAN HOCHMAN, LOS ANGELES DISTRICT ATTORNEY: With respect to defense attorneys? There's an old adage, if you don't have the facts, pound the law. And if you don't have the law, pound the facts. And if you don't have the law or the facts, pound the prosecutor. And that's exactly what the defense strategy has been because we don't fear the facts. All the facts. The facts that are favor to a Menendez resentencing, the facts that are not favorable to a Menendez resentencing. Bring on the facts.

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VAUSE: The brothers claim that they were sexually abused by their father and they killed their parents in self-defense. But a lot of that evidence was never heard by the jury because it was barred by the trial judge.

U.S. and European officials try to find common ground on a potential cease fire in Ukraine. In a moment, a high profile meeting in Paris as the White House waits for word from Moscow about a ceasefire.

Also ahead, Google faces another huge loss in court how the latest ruling could change the way Google does business.

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VAUSE: A deal on rare minerals between the U.S. and Ukraine is now a little closer with the signing of a memorandum of intent on Thursday. U.S. President Donald Trump believes a deal could be signed as early as next week.

The president says he's expecting to hear from the Kremlin this week about a 30 day cease fire with Ukraine. The Kremlin has made a laundry list of conditions before any ceasefire can go into effect, leading to accusations that Russia is dragging its heels on any agreement. While Ukraine accepted the ceasefire proposal weeks ago. And U.S. and European officials held high level talks in Paris Thursday, which French officials described as excellent. Here's CNN's Nic Robertson.

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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: So these were important meetings, big meetings, because it was the first time Since February senior U.S. officials, senior European officials, leaders even had met to discuss the ceasefire arrangements that the United States has been calling for President Trump has been calling for since February. Of course, Ukraine has already signed up a long time ago.

Now it feels to this unconditional ceasefire, the pressure has been on President Putin and it was the U.S. envoy, Steve Witkoff, who's been meeting face to face with President Putin. And the sense has been in Europe that Witkoff is being spun and played by Putin, that Putin isn't serious about getting into a cease fire right now.

So Witkoff, Marco Rubio, secretary of state, meeting with Emmanuel Macron, the French president, the French foreign minister. That was the first sort of big meeting, a lunch, a working lunch for the day. But then there were lots of other meetings. Rubio, Witkoff meeting with European counterparts, British, French, German foreign ministers also those countries had their national security advisers or equivalents in the room.

And as well at these meetings, you had the Ukrainian defense minister and the Ukrainian foreign minister. So a lot of conversations, not a lot of detail coming out.

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But a French official has described the meetings in this way, saying they were very strong strategic opportunity and actually goes on in quite effusive language to say this. That was an excellent exchange, a high quality exchange, a substantive exchange that allowed us to converge on the essential goals for which for us is a solid piece for Ukraine, which means a solid piece for Ukraine and for the Europeans.

So the French playing this as a meeting that was successful, but we don't know who convinced which side of what we know clearly that Emmanuel Macron is someone who knows President Putin very well and he may well sat there and have listened to Steve Witkoff explaining the conversations he's had with President Putin. But Emmanuel Macron is the sort of leader who would want to give his input back to the U.S. side.

So the exchanges, the details unclear, but the narrative emerging is that this moves in the right direction, quite how and at what speed is absolutely unclear. What has been very clear, some of those national security advisers in those meeting with the U.S. officials very firmly believe that Putin absolutely not committed to getting into a ceasefire, believes in fact that he can still win on the battlefield. That's what we've been hearing over recent weeks.

So again, the substance of those meetings not clear, but the French playing it, you know, as a success, moving the ball in the right direction. Again, how much unclear? Nic Robinson, CNN, London.

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VAUSE: U.S. airstrike on an oil port in Western Yemen Thursday left at least 38 people dead, 102 others injured, according to Houthi run media. Houthi officials have warned the U.S. will be held responsible for the repercussions of its escalation. The strikes are the latest move in a months long effort to disrupt Houthi weapons smuggling and revenue streams and to try and end Houthi attacks on commercial shipping in the Red Sea.

An Israeli proposal for a Gaza ceasefire has been fully rejected by Hamas, which instead wants a comprehensive proposal to end the war. Hamas' outright rejection of the ceasefire has prompted calls by Israel's far right to escalate the war, urging the prime minister to unleash hell. The Israeli proposal had called for a 45-day truce for both sides to negotiate a permanent ceasefire.

Hamas would also be required to release all remaining hostages in various stages. But there was no guarantee of an end to the war.

Frustration and dissent is growing among those serving on the front lines of Israel's war. In Gaza, a growing number of reservists are publicly condemning the Israeli Prime Minister's decision to resume the war in Gaza. CNN's Jeremy Diamond has more.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you. Thank you so much.

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Dr. Or Goren spent months deploying to Gaza as a combat physician in the Israeli military, treating and evacuating wounded soldier. Now he's part of a growing number of reservists who believe the war is no longer serving its stated goals. Destroying Hamas and returning the hostages. DR. OR GOREN, IDF RESERVIST AND COMBAT PHYSICIAN: No, I don't believe

it anymore. And it's a year and a half Gaza is demolished, tens of thousands of people killed. The houses there are destructed, infrastructure is destructed, but Hamas still rules the place, still shoots rockets. And so where are we heading?

DIAMOND (voice-over) Goren is one of thousands of reservists who have signed public letters calling on the Israeli government to end the war and strike a hostage deal. The first letter from Air Force reservists and retirees quickly spawned others, from reserve combat physicians and paratroopers to sailors and military intelligence officers, all echoing this.

At this time, the war mainly serves political and personal interests and not security interests. The continuation of the war will lead to the death of abductees, IDF soldiers and innocent civilians, and to the attrition of reservists.

The Israeli military, which heavily depends on reservists to bolster its regular forces, moving swiftly to quash the dissent, firing dozens of reservists who sign the letters. The Israeli prime minister slamming the signatories as a small group of bad apples, accusing them of refusing to serve for political reasons.

GOREN: The pilot's letter did not say they will stop serving. There was nothing illegal about it. We are the backbone of this society. How can you silence us?

DIAMOND (voice-over): The outrage in Israel is mounting. Seven in 10 Israelis say they want a deal to end the war and get the hostages out, according to Israel's Channel 12.

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And now, between rising political opposition and the burden of multiple tours on reservists and their families, as many as 40 percent of reservists no longer showing up when called to duty. Even among those who support the war, like Maital Bernstein Hadary (ph), 18 months of war is taking its toll. Her husband has spent more than 300 days deployed, forcing her to scale back her speech therapy practice as she raises her four kids.

During this latest fifth deployment, my entire body hurt, she says. For 300 days, he wasn't home, and I needed to carry on my small shoulders what we usually hold together. But while others say enough is enough, Maital (ph) wants Israel to keep fighting. The limit, she says, is when we win. Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Tel Aviv.

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VAUSE: Up next on CNN, the independence of the chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve appears to be under threat with angry Donald Trump who wants him gone.

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VAUSE: Welcome back everyone. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM. I'm John Vause.

On Wednesday, fed chair Jerome Powell warned of the much larger economic impact from Trump's tariffs, which he said was because they were much bigger than he expected. On Thursday, Donald Trump wanted him gone, describing the man he appointed to the job in 2017 as a terrible person, playing politics and someone he really didn't like.

Then the president was asked about Powell's economic forecast during an Oval Office meeting with Italy's prime minister.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Oh, he'll leave if I ask him to. He'll be out of there. But I don't think he's -- I don't think he's --

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TRUMP: -- doing the job. He's too late. Always too late. A little slow, and I'm not happy with him.

I Let him know it. And, oh, if I want him out, he'll be out of there real fast, believe me.

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VAUSE: Well, the pattern here is clear, be it a fed chair, judges, inspectors general, heads of independent agencies -- the list just goes on. This president is intent on reining in their independence and authority to increase the power of the presidency.

And I asked CNN's senior political analyst Ron Brownstein about the long-term consequences.

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RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: What we're watching, I think, is an attempt to reorder the American constitutional system and drive big holes in it. That exceeds, in many ways, even the worst expectations of people who are worried about what Trump would mean for democracy.

I mean, both inside the government and outside the government in civil society, he is systematically moving in a way that I think has been planned over the last four years, probably mostly by Stephen Miller and Russell Vought to disable all the potential sources of resistance to kind of, you know, untrammeled presidential power.

And as many people who have studied these issues around the world have pointed out, this is the playbook of, you know, figures who try to transform societies from democracies into authoritarian states.

You just, you eliminate the sources of resistance, you weaken all the independent power centers, and then you move forward to impose your designs on the entire society.

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VAUSE: After Donald Trump renamed the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America, now comes retaliation it seems, from Mexico.

CNN's Valeria Leon has details.

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VALERIA LEON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A simple coffee order in Mexican cafes now an act of rebellion against U.S. policies. The traditional Americano, a shot of espresso with added hot water is getting a rebrand, swapping the name to Cafe Mexicano.

SCARLETT LINDERMAN, OWNER OF CAFE CICATRIZ: If my staff wants to rename the Americano Mexicano, then we can do that.

LEON: Scarlett is the owner of Cafe Cicatriz in Mexico City. She opened the spot eight years ago after moving here from her native New York.

LINDERMAN: If you know Spanish, that's the language of the kitchen, because it's mostly undocumented Mexican immigrants.

LEON: A culinary studies graduate inspired by her interest in how migration influences the kitchen, she soon became a supporter of the movement to rename the Americano.

LINDERMAN: Because words really carry power like they carry meaning and they're powerful. So if someone symbolically wants to shift the name as a form of resistance, then all power to them.

I think it's really cool.

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LEON: The trend is part of a long tradition of renaming products to protest unpopular government policies. Just like in 2003 when some American companies decided to rename French fries, "Freedom fries" with France refusing to join the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Mexico's rebranding movement is meant to rally behind national industries to protest the Trump administration's tariffs on Mexican exports.

These local initiatives, kicked off last month by the Pannela Coffee Shop in the Mexican state of Oaxaca when the owner, Ivan Cevero, posted an Instagram call to action to oppose U.S. tariffs on Pannela.

IVAN CEVERO, OWNER, PANNELA PANADERIA DE BARRIO (through translator): In Pannela, it's no longer called Cafe Americano. It's now called Cafe Mexicano.

LEON: Many of those supporting the name change are frustrated with the United States' crackdown on immigration and the criminalization of undocumented migrants.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're not happy with what's happening on our northern border as a country, and at least as the state of Oaxaca, with them imposing tariffs on us. This is an act of protest.

LEON: Mexican coffee consumers now preferring to fuel their day with a Mexicano rather than the unwelcome reminder of U.S. tariffs and the Americano.

Valeria Leon, CNN -- Mexico City.

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VAUSE: A U.S. court has found Google violated antitrust laws with a monopoly over online advertising. The judge ruled in favor of the Justice Department which brought this lawsuit, a landmark decision which could see a sell off of parts of Google.

The company's vice president of regulatory affairs says they disagree with the judge's decision, writing, quote, "Publishers have many options and they choose Google because our ad tech tools are simple, affordable and effective."

Google could face sweeping penalties, but the appeals process will likely take years to play out.

A research analyst at Wedbush Securities says many tech giants are dealing with a pushback from the U.S. government.

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DON IVES, GLOBAL HEAD OF TECHNOLOGY RESEARCH, WEDBUSH SECURITIES: I think what Google is going to have to figure out how ultimately they adjust their business model.

I don't view it as a heavy lift. It's definitely a blow, but we look at what's happened with Meta in terms of their FTC trial. You look at Apple, Amazon. I mean, you know, what we're in right now is a very, very regulatory environment for big tech.

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VAUSE: And joining us now is CNN chief media analyst Brian Stelter. It's good to see you. It's been a while.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN CHIEF MEDIA ANALYST: Good to see you. Thanks.

VAUSE: Ok. So here's how "The New York Times" described this lawsuit against Google. "It focuses on programs that sell ad space around the web, like on a news site or a recipe page. The suite of software, which includes Google Ad Manager, conducts split second auctions to place ads each time, or ads, rather, each time a user loads a page. That generated $31 billion in revenue for Google in 2023.

But for news organizations especially, it's a horrible business model, to say the least. So on that front, what happens now? STELTER: Yes. What you just described is the financial foundation of

the Internet advertising world, those transactions that happen in the blink of an eye.

They have made Google enormously, ridiculously profitable. And you've heard for years from news outlets, from media companies that say they are suffering as a result.

That's why some of the biggest, loudest voices celebrating this ruling are coming from the media industry.

For example, the news media Alliance, a trade group, saying this has starved content creators of the revenues they deserve and need to sustain quality journalism. Today is a big day for our industry.

So those are the sorts of folks that are celebrating this. You know, the argument I've heard from the news industry for years is that this causes harm to publishers, and that harm trickles down to consumers.

At least in part this federal judge agrees.

And now comes the hard part, John, how to actually remedy it? What the actual solution is.

VAUSE: Well, the U.S. Justice Department is now 2 and 0, against Google in less than a year. And here's what some investors are actually expecting next. Listen to this.

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MICHAEL ASHLEY SCHULMAN, CHIEF INVESTMENT OFFICER, RUNNING POINT CAPITAL: There's been talk of a breakup of Alphabet itself. But now we're diving deeper into Alphabet, into Google's ad business and signals that U.S. courts are now open to structural remedies, not just fines.

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VAUSE: So the Justice Department already wants parts of Google sold off. So explain the impact that will have. And could parent company Alphabet also be broken up?

STELTER: Right. We've heard from the Trump administration on this. They are celebrating this, even though this has been in the works for years. One of these cases started during Trumps first term.

So this is a long gestating issue. There is no sign, no evidence that President Trump is going to try to intervene and help out these tech companies.

You know, remember at the inauguration, all of those tech CEOs were lined up. They were all giving millions of dollars. But there's no sign here that Google is a -- is considered a friend or an ally inside the Trump administration.

[01:39:51] STELTER: To the contrary, what we're seeing is the Justice Department coming up with big, big remedies in these two cases, these two different cases now, Google has lost on the antitrust front.

What will probably happen is some sort of restructuring where Google will have to make changes to the search side of the company and the advertising tech side of the company. What that restructuring looks like, no one knows for sure. We heard Google say they are going to appeal some of the ruling that came down Thursday.

But, you know, whether these appeals take years or not, it may be in Google's interest financially to get this over with. You know, investors might want to see some certainty after years of uncertainty from these cases.

VAUSE: And Google isn't the only tech giant facing legal action from the U.S. government. A lawsuit against Meta for trying to kill off its rivals is underway. Amazon and Apple have also been sued.

Listen to this.

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IVES: We're already in a very nervous environment for big tech. And when you look at what's happened on court cases in terms of Alphabet, you look what's happened in terms of Meta, you know, it's not what investors want to see in what's already a white-knuckle environment for big tech.

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VAUSE: Ok. So what is the government trying to achieve overall when it comes to the tech industry? And why is that a concern right now for investors?

STELTER: Yes. Right, when it comes to Meta --

VAUSE: Yes.

STELTER: Right. When it comes to Meta, this is an ongoing case. It's going to take many more weeks in court and then we'll see what the judge decides.

But this is an antitrust case as well. It's arguing that Meta has monopoly power thanks to Instagram and WhatsApp and Facebook. And the U.S. government wants those broken up.

We'll see if that ever comes to pass or not but as I was saying, when it comes to the Trump administration, there is no love lost here. There is no desire to try to intervene and help these big tech companies out.

Trump campaigned on a promise to restore free speech. Now, these cases are not about free speech, per se. They're about the business models of big tech. But there's clearly a desire in Washington to reframe the conversation around big tech and maybe take away some of the power so these companies aren't quite so big.

It is interesting to think about how assumptions are being blown up here, John, about how the Internet works and who has all the power.

On the one hand, billions of users love using Meta and Google products. People benefit from search and talking to their friends.

But there's also a growing understanding that when the product is free, that means you are the product. And maybe there needs to be a reassessment of the relationship.

We've seen that in Europe. We've seen that in E.U. countries passing laws to try to give users more rights against technology companies.

And now we're seeing in the United States some real dramatic legal maneuverings to try to change the balance of power between big tech and everyone else.

VAUSE: Good point to finish on. So good to have you with us, Brian. Brian Stelter there, thank you sir.

STELTER: Thanks.

VAUSE: Pope Francis out and about again, marking Holy Thursday with a visit to a prison.

In a moment, what the Holy Father has planned for Easter services.

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VAUSE: U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance is traveling to Italy and India, leaving with his family Thursday for meetings with leaders of both countries, as well as a meeting with the Vatican secretary of state.

And this Easter weekend at the Vatican will be very different compared to years past, as Pope Francis continues to recover from double pneumonia. His poor health means many of his usual services have been delegated to other clergy.

CNN's Christopher Lamb explains.

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CHRISTOPHER LAMB, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is going to be a different Holy Week and Easter for Pope Francis than previous years that he's had as Pope because of the complications caused by the double pneumonia that he is recovering from.

He, of course, was in hospital for 38 days. He almost lost his life on two occasions. But the Vatican says he has been making this slow recovery.

And we saw on Thursday, the Thursday before Easter, Francis going to a prison in Rome and meeting around 70 inmates. Now, this is what he had to say as he arrived at the prison.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your Holiness, how are you?

POPE FRANCIS, PONTIFF, ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH: I feel seasick (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How are you doing this Easter after your hospitalization?

POPE FRANICS: How can I? I live it how I can.

LAMB: Now, of course, Francis is unable to speak for long periods of time. That means he can't lead the long services of Holy Week and Easter that he would normally be doing. He has delegated cardinals to lead those in his place.

But that doesn't rule out the Pope making the surprise appearances sometimes at the end of the services, as he has done in recent days.

It's not clear, though, what the Pope will be doing. It depends a lot on his health, of course, and how he's feeling on each day.

It is expected, though, that he will make some kind of appearance on Easter Sunday, where the Pope would be expected to give the Urbi et Orbi blessing, the blessing to the city and to the world.

Of course, it hasn't been confirmed by the Vatican, but Francis has made some of these appearances for short periods of time in recent days.

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LAMB: Of course, Francis is continuing to recover. We are seeing some small improvements. He's been able to speak for a little bit longer we have seen. However, it is still a long road to recovery for the Pope.

And of course, this is Holy Week and Easter, the high point of the church's liturgical year, where the Pope would normally be very visible. Francis is showing a determination to at least have some presence during this time.

Christopher Lamb, CNN -- Rome.

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VAUSE: And as we approach Easter Sunday, a reminder from animal rights groups. Live animals make terrible gifts.

Sure, the baby ducks and bunnies are cute now, but once the holiday has passed, the animals are often abandoned or dumped. Others end up in places like this duck sanctuary in California.

About 600 ducks, geese, roosters and one very pregnant pig are the current occupants. Caretakers suggest that stuffed animals, the toy ones, not the ones you eat, may be a better Easter gift.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HOWIE BERKOWITZ, THE DUCK SANCTUARY: Right around Easter time, the feed stores will start selling baby ducks, and then people will buy them and then they realize they're cute for a certain period of time.

Baby ducks grow very quickly. I have baby ducks that are about four weeks old and they've quadrupled in size since they were brought in.

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VAUSE: Luxury ocean liners of the past sent for scrap. But in a moment, one historian is trying to stop it.

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VAUSE: A 19-year-old British influencer is helping a prosthetics company redefine what it means to be an amputee. Tilly Lockey, who lost both hands as a toddler, has been working with the U.K.'s Open Bionics for nearly a decade.

Now, she's testing out their newest innovation, bionic arms, with independently controlled hands that actually work on their own.

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TILLY LOCKEY, INFLUENCER AND AMPUTEE: You can actually, like detach the hand, which is really weird. so I could just pull it out like that, but I can still operate it when it's not attached. So I can like move it around even when it's not attached to the arm.

And that's just the same with (INAUDIBLE) same way I'd move it as if it were attached, but it doesn't even need to be attached. It could just go on its own missions, which is kind of crazy.

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VAUSE: The device is controlled by wireless electrodes that read muscle signals to control finger movements. Tilly has built a following on social media and for her work with amputees and prosthetics. The company says her feedback has been crucial in developing this new technology.

They were once the kings and queens of the ocean -- luxury liners brimming with high end class and bling, all from an almost forgotten era. And now they're disappearing.

But one historian is on a quest to preserve that past by rescuing parts of these 20th century ships before they're sent to the scrapyard.

CNN's Jackson Lu has the story.

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PETER KNEGO, CRUISE SHIP HISTORIAN AND JOURNALIST: We're not preserving what little we have of the past, and especially in a maritime sense. JACKSON LU, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Peter Knego's house is a monument to

extinct 20th century ocean liners.

KNEGO: This is from 1952, the Augustus, one of the beautiful Italian liners I rescued things from the United States. These are lamps from her dining room. The United States is the fastest and biggest American liner ever.

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LU: He's a cruise ship historian and journalist who's dedicated his life to saving pieces of oceanic history from the scrapyard and documenting old passenger ships like The Aurora, a former German mid- century passenger liner whose tragic story found new fame on the Internet after one man spent his life savings to restore her.

KNEGO: As a kid, I made it my goal to document every cruise ship or ocean liner that came to Los Angeles with my lousy Kodak pocket Instamatic camera.

What makes Aurora so unique is if you just look at her lines, she has a beautiful long bow. She has the sheer, which is that curvature that goes up towards the bow and stern of ships that were meant to cut through seas back in the days before they were designed on computers with all those straight lines.

LU: Peter has not only followed the saga of the Aurora, he's helped restore it with fellow maritime fan Chris Wilson who acquired her on Craigslist in 2008.

Those efforts ended, and the city of Stockton in California recently took possession of the ship, turning her to scrap.

KNEGO: To just destroy yet another rare example of the surviving maritime architecture, it's just -- it's really disheartening. The Aurora was designed by people who wanted her to look beautiful when she was at sea.

And her history, she was the first German passenger ship built for Germany after World War II of a significant size. She was the Spectre yacht in "From Russia With Love".

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come in (INAUDIBLE). Sit down Number 3, while we listen to what Number 5 has devised for us.

KNEGO: We have the Queen Mary. We have the QE2 in Dubai, where nobody can see her, and we have the Rotterdam and Rotterdam, and the Hikawa Maru in Yokohama. And that's basically all that's left of the classic passenger ships of merit.

So all of this art of shipbuilding has long since been lost. And Aurora was one of the last ships left in the world that had that beauty to her.

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VAUSE: Great story.

Thank you for watching. I'm John Vause.

Please stay with us. CNN NEWSROOM continues after a short break with Kim Brunhuber.

I'll see you right back here next week.

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