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Pakistan Retaliates against "Indian Aggression"; Putin and Xi Meet in Moscow; Trump Pressures Russia for 30-Day Cease-fire; Pope Leo XIV Faces Packed Schedule, Comparisons to Francis; Trump's Trade War; Pope Leo's Brother Shares Memories. Aired 3-3:45a ET
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ISABEL ROSALES, CNN ANCHOR AND CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Hello and welcome to all of our viewers watching from around the world. I'm Isabel Rosales in Atlanta.
Ahead on CNN NEWSROOM, Pakistan's foreign minister says, if India stops, Pakistan will, too. We'll go live to Delhi for an update.
A coalition of the willing: the leaders of Germany, France and the U.K. arrive in Kyiv to meet with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy. They plan to work on a cease-fire proposal with Russia.
And the new pope is off to a busy start. We'll take a look at what Pope Leo XIV has on his packed schedule.
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ROSALES: Hours after an escalation in the conflict between Pakistan and India, Pakistan's foreign minister now says that, if India stops its military actions, then so will Pakistan.
His comments came after Pakistan launched strikes against what it says are military targets in India and Indian-administered Kashmir. Pakistan's military said those strikes were in retaliation for what it calls Indian aggression.
India, for its part, said it responded effectively to Pakistan's military operation early Saturday. Both sides accused each other of taking actions that boiled over those tensions. For more on all of this, I am joined by journalist Vedika Sud in Delhi.
Vedika, what else was said?
VEDIKA SUD, JOURNALIST: Well, that was a very detailed press conference that took place until some time back. And what we have for you is that India, for the first time has acknowledged that it did target some military sites in Pakistan overnight and in the early hours of the morning.
However, in that press briefing, it also refuted many claims made by Pakistan on the military offensive conducted by them overnight. What India is also saying is that it was Pakistan that first provoked, after which they retaliated in the last couple of hours through the night and early morning.
Let me also tell you that India has gone ahead and said there was limited damage to four air force stations. They used the word "limited" damage to equipment and personnel is what they said.
But they also went on and said that there was a lot of misinformation coming in from the Pakistan government on a lot of claims they've made, including destroying some S-400s on the Indian side of the line of control.
I also want to let you know at this point that the Indian foreign minister has just tweeted some time back, saying that the U.S. secretary of state has spoken with him. And he goes on to say that India's approach has always been measured and responsible and will remain so.
The U.S. secretary of state has also spoken with the chief of the Pakistan army, the main man in Pakistan. And the U.S. has come out and said they're hoping that tensions between the two countries de- escalate.
I put that question to Michael Kugelman, who is a columnist with the "Foreign Policy" magazine and here's his assessment of what really can help in terms of mediation at this point. Listen, in.
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MICHAEL KUGELMAN, "FOREIGN POLICY": The state of play on the battlefield, given how much anger there is in both capitals, given how uncompromising leaders from both countries sound, my sense is that, in the immediate term, it's quite unlikely that there would be bilateral efforts toward de-escalation.
Suggesting that the need for international mediation has grown more important.
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SUD: Many voices coming out from the international community to dial down the tensions between the two countries, including G7 ministers and the European Union as well. Back to you.
ROSALES: Vedika Sud, live in Delhi. Thank you.
Well, a number of European leaders are in Kyiv to meet with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy. They're members of the so-called coalition of the willing, helping Ukraine stand up to Russia.
Leaders of the U.K., France and Germany arrived in Kyiv by train a short time ago. Then they took part in a candle ceremony with President Zelenskyy. They're planning to discuss a proposed 30-day ceasefire with Russia. Vladimir Putin's spokesman says Russia has always supported the 30-day
ceasefire proposal. But he says certain nuances must be addressed but did not say what those nuances might be.
Putin met with a number of world leaders on Friday, including China's Xi Jinping. They helped to mark Russia's victory day. CNN's Fred Pleitgen has more from Moscow.
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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice- over): As Russia puts on a massive parade to mark 80 years since the defeat of Nazi Germany.
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Russian Leader Vladimir Putin and his guest of honor, China's Xi Jinping, closer than ever, side by side, wearing patriotic Russian ribbons.
As Putin vows Russia will win in Ukraine as well.
VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): Our whole country, society and people support the participants of the special military operation. We are proud of their courage, determination and power of spirit that has always only brought us victory.
PLEITGEN: And the Russians flashing the top weapons in their arsenal, from jet fighters to drones heavily used in the battles in Ukraine to intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of carrying some of the most deadly nuclear warheads.
While this parade is there to commemorate 80 years since the defeat of Nazi Germany in World War II, it's also a show of force by the Kremlin saying that its forces are inching closer to victory in Ukraine.
Moscow, buoyed by recent battlefield successes, all but completely ousting Ukrainian troops from Russia's Kursk region with a lot of help from North Korean soldiers.
Putin, showing his gratitude, embracing a senior member of Kim Jong U.N.'s general staff.
PUTIN: Congratulations and all the best wishes to all your warriors.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We're putting a lot of pressure on Russia.
PLEITGEN: While President Trump has once again called for a 30-day ceasefire and threatened more sanctions if its broken, a senior Russian senator making clear to me it's the Kremlin that's calling the shots.
Do you believe that President Trump can still broker a peace deal?
KONSTANTIN KOSACHEV, RUSSIAN SENATOR: He is most welcome. He is most welcome to do what he can do. But, of course, we have our basic interests in this crisis and we will not give up these interests just for the reason somebody in Washington or elsewhere sees this or that about the crisis.
PLEITGEN: And Putin and Xi have made clear nobody will get between them. Laying flowers at the tomb of the unknown soldier, vowing to stand together, facing down threats from the Trump administration -- Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Moscow.
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ROSALES: Mick Ryan is a retired major general with the Australian army and a senior fellow for military studies at the Lowy Institute. He is also the author of "The War for Ukraine: Strategy and Adaptation under Fire." He joins us from Brisbane, Australia.
General Ryan, so good to see you and thank you for your time and for being on the show.
Just days ago, the U.S. secretary of state, Marco Rubio, threatened that the U.S. would walk away from talks if there was no progress. And now the U.S. is actually leading the push to put more pressure on Russia.
Given Russia's repeated rejections, is there any hope that Putin would actually agree to this longer, unconditional 30-day ceasefire?
MAJ. GEN. MICK RYAN (RET.), AUSTRALIAN ARMY: Well. he may.
But I think what he's going to try and do over the next couple of months is gain as much territory as he possibly can in the east and the northeast of Ukraine. At the end of the day, Putin still believes he can win this war, that he can outlast European and American patience.
So he will probably be less inclined to accept this 30-day deal than many believe he might be.
ROSALES: And now we saw over Easter the surprise move by Putin, where he ordered his troops to stop all military activity for some 30 hours. Ukraine accused Russia of violating the truce and vice versa. The short-lived ceasefire was seen by some as a way for Putin to buy time, rearm and regroup.
What do you make of it?
RYAN: Yes, I don't think he needed time to regroup because he just continued operations on the eastern front. There was no ceasefire there and Russian troops conducted dozens of attacks as well as bombing attacks in the Sumy region.
What he really was doing was messaging the American administration that he remained engaged in the peace process -- or at least pretended to remain engaged because he doesn't want Trump and his administration to walk away, at least just not yet.
ROSALES: Western leaders keep threatening more sanctions.
But haven't we maxed that out already?
What's left that would actually hurt Putin?
RYAN: Well, it's difficult to imagine what more we could do to Russia from an economic sense. It would have to be secondary sanctions on those who are supporting Russia, such as China and other countries. And that would be far more difficult to gain a consensus on.
So there may be more sanctions on individuals and these kinds of things but the deep cuts would have to be in sanctioning other countries like China that are supporting Russia. And that's hard to imagine.
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ROSALES: And what does Russia gain by rejecting even a temporary ceasefire?
Is this a negotiating tactic or a signal that they just plan to escalate further?
How do you see it?
RYAN: Well, I think what it's doing is testing just how committed Trump and his administration are to achieving peace. I think Putin would be happy if the American administration walked away and stopped assistance. That would be a great outcome for Putin.
What he doesn't want to occur is the Americans to walk away but to continue supporting Ukraine. So he has to carefully calibrate his responses to these overtures to the Americans.
ROSALES: So bottom line, are we actually any closer to peace?
Or are leaders here just managing headlines while this war drags on indefinitely?
What's the end game here?
RYAN: We are no closer to peace, unfortunately, and peace really will come through the Russians realizing they can't win and that they, you know, cease their designs and their aggression against other countries in Eastern Europe. We are no closer to that objective. So I think the fighting will continue for some time to come, unfortunately.
ROSALES: Yes. Well, on Friday, the whole world watched as Putin hosted a number of Kremlin-friendly world leaders, including Xi Jinping, during a World War II victory parade in Moscow.
What -- and the footage that you've seen has caught your interest.
And how does the military might that we saw on display there during that military parade compare to Russia's might on the battlefield?
RYAN: Yes, I think there's a couple of observations.
The first one is the number of foreign countries that were represented on the parade and in the observation stands. That's a message that Russia is sending the world, saying that they're no longer the isolated pariah that they were three years ago.
The military hardware on display, there was more armor this year than there has been the last couple of years and more drones and these kind of things, which represent how Russia has shifted, how it fights on the battlefield.
ROSALES: What are you looking for in these talks between the Western allies?
And what do you make of Trump's growing frustration with Putin, at least publicly?
RYAN: Well, I think the U.S. administration is starting to see that the Russians are unlikely to step back from their maximalist aims. We should recall this war is less about territory in Ukraine and more about ensuring Ukraine is not a sovereign country, that it can't be part of the E.U. or can't be part of NATO.
That hasn't figured largely in at least what we've seen publicly at the moment. But it's very unlikely that Putin will step away from these maximalist aims at this point in time.
ROSALES: All eyes on Kyiv. General Ryan, thank you so much for your time.
RYAN: Thank you.
ROSALES: Well, the U.S. is admitting that its joint plan with Israel to deliver aid to Gaza will initially feed only 60 percent of the population. No food has entered the enclave in more than two months because of Israel's total blockade.
And sources say any deliveries under the new plan are at least two weeks away. The plan calls for using a private foundation and military contractors to prevent food from falling into the hands of Hamas. But people across Gaza are already going hungry and local aid workers say the bad situation is only getting worse.
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HANI ABU AL-QASIM, HEAD, RAFAH COMMUNITY KITCHEN (through translator): Today we are living a bitter reality. Famine has become a fact, not just a fear. Gaza is on the edge of collapse. People are walking for miles to get this meal and, without it, they and their children have nothing to eat.
Today, the community kitchen itself is under threat of shutting due to the lack of food supplies caused by the occupation's policy of keeping the crossings closed for over 62 days. There are no food supplies. These families depend on us. As you can see, after distributing meals to hundreds of families, no
food is left yet people are still waiting, hoping, even though they know the food is gone. They can't go home without a meal.
Now Gaza is on the brink of mass death.
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ROSALES: The United Nations has rejected the U.S.-Israeli plan, saying it's unfeasible and fails to meet Israel's obligations under international law.
As Pope Leo XIV takes on leadership of the Catholic Church, many are looking to see if he will continue the reforms made by Pope Francis. Our report after the break.
Plus, we'll take you to a church in northwestern Peru where the new pope led masses and prayers when he served there as a bishop.
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ROSALES (voice-over): Newly elected Pope Leo XIV has a packed schedule in the coming days and weeks. He's set to meet with the cardinals who elected him to the papacy and, as the first American born pontiff for 1.4 billion Catholics around the world, many are wondering if Pope Leo will follow in the footsteps of his predecessor, Pope Francis.
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ROSALES: CNN's Ben Wedeman has more on how Pope Leo celebrated his first mass with the cardinals who elected him.
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BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After the bells and smoke confirmed what the world had been waiting for, comes the first order of business.
Less than 17 hours after he was chosen, Pope Leo XIV, as he's known, returned to this frescoed sanctuary. Dressed in white and gold vestments to celebrate his first mass as pope with the same cardinals who chose him.
The first person from the U.S. elected pope, notably, did not speak English on Thursday's address. Friday was different. POPE LEO XIV, PONTIFF, ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH: I will sing a new song to the Lord because he has done marvelous.
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And indeed, not just with me but with all of us, my brother cardinals. As we celebrate this morning, I invite you to recognize the marvelous that the Lord has done.
WEDEMAN (voice-over): In a nod to his American roots, Leo opened in English before switching to Italian, urging the church to draw its strength from the holiness of its people, not the grandeur of its buildings.
He also spoke in Spanish, a language he used during his decades of work in Peru, a sign perhaps he will bring a global outlook to the papal scene.
WEDEMAN: Tourists and the faithful have been flocking to the area around the Vatican since the death of Pope Francis. And Thursday when they heard
the pronouncement, "Habemus Papam," Latin for "We have a pope," they exploded with joy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's -- our reputation is, you know, hit and miss with a lot of the world and maybe this will bring people to like America more.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's great. I also think that he's going to be very much like Pope Francis and he's going to be very modern, very open to
the people. And I think he's going to do the church a great deal.
WEDEMAN (voice-over): Pope Leo inherits his schedule packed with commitments, many of which were organized for his predecessor, Pope Francis. This weekend, he leads his first Sunday mass in what's known as a Holy Year for the Catholic Church. Many will be waiting to see how he begins to shape his legacy. Ben Wedeman, CNN, Rome.
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ROSALES: In the days leading up to the conclave, there was a lot of speculation about which cardinals were frontrunners for the top job. CNN's Erin Burnett spoke to the archbishop of New York, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, about when he first knew that Cardinal Robert Prevost would likely be the next pope. Take a listen.
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CARDINAL TIMOTHY DOLAN, ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK: So I was open to anybody but I didn't kind of really zero in on them until you asked me when. Yes, when I showed up at the congregation meetings, the Wednesday morning after the funeral of the pope.
They kind of thought, naturally, because he had been born in the United States, we would be familiar with him.
All I could say is, I sure know of them. And what I know is pretty stellar. But I don't know him. That continued, Erin. That continued until after two or three days. I said, Dolan, you better get to know this guy.
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ROSALES: Surprised, happy and proud, that is how some Peruvians describe their feelings about the new pope, who served as a missionary and a bishop in that country for many years. Stefano Pozzebon went to his former congregation in northwestern Peru.
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STEFANO POZZEBON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We are inside the basilica of Chiclayo. It's from that altar, just behind my back, that the new pope, Leo XIV, would officiate his mass across more than nine years as a bishop of this city.
And since coming here, we spoke with dozens of people who have actually met the new pope. They all share the sentiment of pride and joy, of course, but also the kindness of the man, the sense of inspiration that speaking with him or hearing his homily would elicit.
We spoke with one of them, Sr. Margarita, who worked hand with hand with the new pope for almost a year. Take a listen to what she told us.
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POZZEBON: One thing I've learned here is that he was very close to the social movements and workers' movements in Chiclayo and that's why he chose the name Leo, Leone.
SR. MARGARET FLORES, FRIEND OF POPE LEO XIV (through translator): In Chiclayo, he did a lot, a lot of pastoral work in collaboration with Caritas and they had an immense pastoral outreach for the people most in need.
When there were those torrential rains where we all got soaked up to our waists, he would go out in his plastic boots, those very basic ones that the people wear, and a little poncho over him so as not to get wet. But he would still end up drenched.
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POZZEBON: And that, I think, is what sums up the most, the way that this new pope sees his vocation. Most people here highlighted his role as a missionary. He came to Peru first in the 1980s to be a missionary in the Highlands in the Andes; came back here in 2015 and remained across most of his pastoral life as a leader of the Peruvian church.
And many hope that he will bring that sentiment of a missionary, that sentiment of a gospel in the streets, now that he is the leader of the Catholic Church -- for CNN, this is Stefano Pozzebon, Chiclayo, Peru. (END VIDEOTAPE)
ROSALES: The world's two largest economies are set to begin trade talks in Switzerland. When we return, what officials are expecting to get out of those discussions. Stay with us.
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ROSALES (voice-over): Welcome back to our viewers all around the world. I'm Isabel Rosales and you're watching CNN NEWSROOM. Let's check today's top stories.
Pakistan's foreign minister now says that, if India stops its military actions, then so will Pakistan. His comments came after Pakistan launched airstrikes against what it says are military targets in India and Indian-administered Kashmir in response to what it calls Indian aggression.
India, for its part, said it responded effectively.
Leaders of the U.K., France and Germany are in Kyiv to meet with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy. They're members of the so- called coalition of the willing, helping Ukraine stand up to Russia. The group is planning to discuss a proposed 30-day ceasefire with Russia.
Pope Leo XIV is expected to meet with the college of cardinals here in the coming hours. The meeting comes one day after the pontiff celebrated his first mass with the 132 cardinals who elected him. Leo is the first U.S.-born pope and the leader of more than 1 billion Catholics all over the world.
U.S. President Donald Trump appeared to soften his stance on Chinese tariffs ahead of trade talks between the two countries this weekend. He wrote on Truth Social that 80 percent, quote, "seems right."
But the White House says any tariff cuts will rely on China making some concessions. U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent is meeting with Chinese officials in Switzerland this weekend.
The president says business has been given a number indicating how low he is willing to go on those tariffs. But, of course, he did not share those numbers with reporters on Friday's watch.
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TRUMP: We lost $1 trillion last year with China, $1 trillion.
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ROSALES: CNN's Kristen Holmes has the details from the White House.
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KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: U.S. officials have landed in Switzerland ahead of those talks with their Chinese counterparts.
We were told by administration officials that we should lower our expectations, essentially tempering (sic) down expectations, saying that there wouldn't be a deal or was unlikely to be a deal. Instead, that this was more the beginning of de-escalation.
Of course, we are basically a standstill between China and the U.S. with those 145 percent tariffs on Chinese imports.
Now Donald Trump seemed to soften some of his rhetoric around those tariffs earlier on Friday, saying 80 percent tariff on China seems right;, up to Scott B., referring there, of course, to his Treasury Secretary, Scott Bessent.
Later, Karoline Leavitt clarified those remarks, saying that 80 percent was only on the table likely if China made some concessions. Here's what she said.
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KAROLINE LEAVITT, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president still remains with his position that he's not going to unilaterally bring down tariffs on China. We need to see concessions from them as well.
And again, that's part of the reason that Secretary Bessent is going to talk to his Chinese counterparts this weekend to start those discussions in person.
As for the 80 percent number, that was a number the president threw out there and we'll see what happens this weekend.
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HOLMES: And president Trump did tell me that he has given Scott Bessent a number of how low the U.S. is willing to go on those tariffs, although, of course, he would not share what that number is.
And while these administration officials have continued to try to play down what was going to come out of this meeting, of these conversations, Donald Trump said that he believed a fair deal would come out of this at the end of the day. Of course, that again raises the bar for Scott Bessent and that team
on the ground in Switzerland. We will be watching and waiting to see what, if anything, comes out of these talks, the first major talks between these two superpowers -- Kristen Holmes, CNN, the White House.
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ROSALES: Donald Trump's special envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, is expected to attend a fourth round of nuclear talks with Iran this weekend.
But he says if the talks are not productive, they won't continue and the U.S. will, quote, "have to take a different route."
The talks are scheduled to happen in Oman on Sunday. The U.S. says Iran cannot keep its uranium enrichment program. Steve Witkoff told Breitbart News that the program is a red line for the U.S. But Iran says its uranium enrichment program is not negotiable.
We're tracking a Soviet-era spacecraft that is expected to crash back down to Earth here in the coming hours. Cosmos 482, originally sent into space in 1972, was designed to land on Venus but it never made it there and instead ended up orbiting the Earth for decades.
Now the spacecraft could land anywhere within Africa, South America, Australia, the U.S. or parts of Canada, Europe or Asia or more likely in an ocean. So a lot there.
Experts predict Cosmos will reach Earth in one piece and it's unlikely to endanger anyone. But experts say anyone who does come across it should keep their distance just in case.
Pope Leo XIV now leads the Catholic Church.
But what kind of kid was the first American pontiff?
Coming up, the pope's brother shares childhood memories of the newest world leader. Stick around.
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ROSALES: A popular hot dog joint in Chicago is relishing its link to the new favorite son of the city, Pope Leo XIV.
The Wieners Circle restaurant proudly displayed the Latin phrase, "for he has eaten our dogs." The pontiff was born in the Windy City, known for its sassy service and late-night hours. The diner's longtime manager, Evelyn Morris, has faith that the pope-inspired shoutout will bring even more customers.
The Wieners Circle has been serving up laughs and dogs for more than 40 years and, boy, it looks like it's about to get a lot busier.
Well, decades before he was making history as the new leader of the Catholic Church, Pope Leo XIV was a young boy growing up with his family in Illinois. The brother of the first American pope is giving us a look back. CNN's Whitney Wild reports.
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WHITNEY WILD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So -- and this is your mother?
Wow. You guys really look like your mom?
JOHN PREVOST, POPE LEO XIV'S BROTHER: Yes.
WILD: Yes. He really takes after your mother.
PREVOST: Yes.
WILD (voice-over): John Prevost remembers the days when now Pope Leo XIV was known simply as Rob.
Did he teach you anything as a person, as a child?
PREVOST: Stand up for what you believe in.
WILD: He was the youngest of three boys spread just four years apart. Music filled their home. Pope Leo learned to play the organ, his brother did too.
PREVOST: He would take these lessons and come home and teach me. Our mom had almost an operatic voice and so she was very active in our church choir.
WILD: Prevost says his brother always knew he would one day become a priest and was guided to the papacy.
PREVOST: Not that he necessarily was looking for the job but if that's what God wants, then he will do it.
This is his ordination and his first blessing went to our mother. That's when he became a cardinal.
WILD: The pope's chosen path began early.
PREVOST: When the now pope graduated eighth grade, he was off to seminary already. It's bittersweet in a sense that when we dropped him off for freshman year of high school, the ride home was very sad.
Now it's even worse in the sense that will we ever get to see him unless we go over to Rome. You know what I mean?
WILD: How does that feel as a brother?
PREVOST: It's hard. Yes, it's hard.
WILD: How do you cope with that? PREVOST: You just have to. You know, there's no other option.
WILD: Did your mom or dad ever try to talk him out of it?
PREVOST: No, because he knew at such a young age that this is what he wanted. No one was going to talk him out of it.
WILD: Pope Leo assumes his position at a fraught political time around the world and in his home country.
PREVOST: I don't think he's really happy with what's going on in terms of immigration in this country. It's not really human to be treating other humans the way some of them are being treated and I think that will become an issue he'll talk about.
WILD: Prevost says he talks to his brother every day and deeply under, understands the weight of the pope's role as well.
How do you move through this life with this brother who means so much to the world?
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PREVOST: It's very awesome. You know, it's a very great honor. But with honor comes great responsibility.
WILD: Whitney Wild, CNN, New Lenox, Illinois.
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ROSALES: OK, listen to this. English researchers are judging one book by its cover and they're actually calling it a rare literary find. Two pages of this 13th century sequel to the legend of King Arthur were uncovered by specialists at the Cambridge University library in England.
The handwritten pages were hiding as the cover on another book and, of course, they were too brittle to remove from the book's binding, so researchers digitally scanned them to look at this, unfold them and read them virtually.
They say that the methodology developed for this project can be applied to other fragile manuscripts. And in fact, we saw that over near Pompeii with the Mount Vesuvius eruption. They did that to scrolls recovered from there as well.
Very cool. Technology can be cool.
Well, thanks for joining us. I'm Isabel Rosales in Atlanta. "WORLD SPORT" is next. And then there's more CNN NEWSROOM with Kim Brunhuber in Atlanta in about 15 minutes, I'll be back here with you tomorrow.
