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Trump Says He'll Speak To Putin In The Next Couple Of Days; The 80th Session Of The U.N. General Assembly Begins This Week; New ICE Operation Targeting Massachusetts; Detained South Korean Workers To Be Sent Back Home; Trump Arrives At Men's Final With Mixed Reaction From Crowd; 15-Year-Old Who Loved Video Games Canonized; Australian Woman Convicted Of Poisoning Relatives, Gets Life In Prison; "It Doesn't Have To Hurt" Airs Next. Aired 8-9p ET

Aired September 07, 2025 - 20:00   ET

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JESSICA DEAN, CNN ANCHOR: You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Jessica Dean here in New York.

And we do begin with some breaking news. Just moments ago we heard from President Trump saying he plans to speak with Russia's Vladimir Putin in the next couple of days.

I want to go to CNN White House reporter Alayna Treene, who is monitoring all those comments as the president came back to D.C. from New York.

Alayna, what else did he say?

ALAYNA TREENE, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, I mean, look, Jessica, asked directly about the war between Ukraine and Russia, something, of course, I'd remind you, that he was moving just a couple of weeks ago very swiftly to see if he could find a resolution to, saying that he's disappointed not only with Vladimir Putin himself, but the war overall. Listen.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's such a horrible waste of humanity. So, no, I am not thrilled with what's happening there, I will tell you. I think it's going to get settled. So I settled seven wars. This, I would have said would have been maybe the easiest one to settle of all. But with war, you never know what you're getting. But we're going to get it -- I believe we're going to get it settled, but I am not happy with them. I'm not happy with anything having to do with that war. It's just such a waste of great humanity.

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TREENE: So a few notable things from that, Jessica, as you mentioned, he also said that he plans to speak with the Russian president in the next couple of days. He said he would be talking to him very soon. He also mentioned that he's expecting some European leaders to visit the White House individually in the coming days. I would remind you that just a little over a week ago, we saw seven

European leaders come to the White House, as well as the Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. The big focus of that meeting was, one, trying to work on security guarantees should a ceasefire deal be reached, but then also trying to arrange some sort of bilateral meeting between both Zelenskyy and Putin. We know that the president had taken a phone call with Putin during that meeting as well.

But I think the big thing here is to focus on his disappointment with him. One of the bigger news lines from this morning is when the president told reporters that because we have not seen any action from the Russian side to move forward with trying to find an end to this war and specifically trying to set up a bilateral meeting with Zelenskyy that the president was going to move forward with sanctions.

It's very much unclear at this point what that could look like. We know he has said in the past that he would put sanctions on Russia if they did not move forward with negotiations, but then never saw that kind of materialize. So, look, I think what is clear and I know this from my conversations with several people throughout the Trump administration, is that the president is very frustrated.

And he did think he had what it took, particularly earlier on in this administration, a good enough relationship with Putin to sit down and be able to hash this out. Clearly, that hasn't happened. And it's something that continues to kind of dog the president here as he's trying to, you know, not only deal with this war, but many other wars around the world.

DEAN: Well, and on that note, Alayna, there is the war in Gaza he's also trying to deal with. And Israeli officials have told CNN that the U.S. has put forward these new principles toward a ceasefire and hostage deal between Israel and Hamas. Hamas confirming just a short time ago it did receive that information from the United States through mediators.

What more are you learning on that front?

TREENE: Yes. So this proposal, which we heard the president say earlier today that the Israelis have accepted it, essentially calls for Hamas to release the 48 remaining hostages that are still being held in Gaza. And if they do so, essentially that on day one, you know, we would see Israel cease its attacks on Gaza and essentially that the ceasefire would be held in place as negotiations on this continue.

Now, the reason this is such a big development is because this is the first U.S. proposal since the United States kind of dropped out of ceasefire negotiations back in July. And so we're seeing them move forward with this new proposal. The president is arguing that Israel has accepted it. And, of course, as you mentioned, Hamas says they have received the details as well. A lot still needs to happen for that to actually go into place, but this is a major step in what has kind of been a stagnant, at least in the United States involvement, discussion over recent months.

DEAN: All right, Alayna Treene, thank you so much for that reporting.

This week, the 80th session of the United Nations General Assembly will get underway here in New York City, with events ramping up for when heads of state and government descend on New York later this month.

And we're joined now by the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, who served during the Biden administration.

You also served during -- under President Trump during his first term, and a number of our presidents going back.

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Thank you so much for your time tonight. We're really happy to have you here. I want to start where Alayna just left off with Israel and Gaza, which is expected to be a focal point of this year's UNGA, with several countries planning to announce recognition of a Palestinian state.

Start us first with how you are seeing things play out. One person described they thought it might be kind of a flashpoint when everybody gets here in a few weeks. How do you think this is going to go?

LINDA THOMAS-GREENFIELD, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS: It certainly will be a flashpoint, Jessica. It's been a flashpoint every year since the war started. I think it is a good sign that negotiations seem to be going forward. This has happened before, and didn't succeed. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying. And seeing that there are efforts toward a ceasefire now is a positive -- is something positive. And I think we're all looking to see how this goes over the next couple of weeks.

DEAN: And the Biden administration's position was for a negotiated two-state solution with countries moving to recognize a Palestinian state. Again, some of our key allies here, the U.K., Canada, others. How do you see that? Do you think that could lead to any sort of change or shake anything loose here?

THOMAS-GREENFIELD: Well, it certainly is a change. And again, we'll see the extent to which it develops over the course of the next few weeks as we lead up to the -- to the general assembly, high level week as we normally refer to it in September. I think the hope is that it will lead to the end of this horrific war. It will lead to ending the misery that the Palestinian people are suffering. It will lead to the release of the 40 some hostages that are being held including those who are deceased.

And again, I think that's a positive sign if it happens. We've been there before. So, again, I think we will have to wait and see how this develops over the course of the next few weeks.

DEAN: I also want to ask you about Ukraine. We just heard from the president just a few moments ago, saying that he plans to speak with Vladimir Putin in the next couple of days. I know you've been to Ukraine a number of times, that you have also sat on the Security Council, of course, of which Russia is a part.

The president said he thought this would be the easiest one for him to help bring it into because he thought his relationship with President Putin would help him get there. That has not turned out to be the case. And then today we see for the first time Russia hitting the government buildings in Kyiv, which is a real escalation.

Do you see an end to this anytime soon?

THOMAS-GREENFIELD: Let me just say, I hope we get to an end sometime soon. But I think what Putin has shown us over and over and over again is that he can't be trusted. On the day this war started in 2022, we were sitting in the Security Council discussing the possibility and what I heard from my Russian colleague is that they had no intention of invading Ukraine. And while we were sitting there, the invasion started.

So Putin can't be trusted. Russia can't be trusted on any of this, but we have to continue all diplomatic efforts to find a solution. It is important for the many Ukrainian families who have lost their family members in this war, for the Ukrainian children who have been taken by the Russians, and for Russian soldiers who are dying in huge numbers in a war that can't be, can't be won on the battlefield.

DEAN: And look, when you take these two wars and other things that are happening, other conflicts that are happening around the world, there are questions over the relevance of the U.N. in this moment in time, and what should be done, or what could be done to evolve with the times. I know there were similar questions about the U.N.'s role during the Cold War. That's when it responded by expanding its approach to peacekeeping, changing up the Security Council.

What do you think about where the U.N. is today and where you'd like to see it go?

THOMAS-GREENFIELD: You know, the U.N. has been around for 80 years, and what we see today is not what was happening 80 years ago. It's a new environment. There are more countries and there are more wars. When the Security Council was established and the U.N. charter was written, it was written with the concept that it would end the scourge of war.

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What we're seeing are small wars popping up all over the world, and people are asking about the relevance of the U.N. and in this environment, what I say is that we still need the U.N. We have to work on reforming the U.N. to make it more responsive to what is happening in the world today. But Madeleine Albright said it right when she said, and I give her credit for that, if we didn't have the U.N., we would create it today.

It would be a different U.N. than what's created 80 years ago. But we need to have an organization where the entire world comes together to try to find solutions to the world's problems.

DEAN: And so practically speaking, what do you think those changes might be to adapt to this moment in time that you're describing?

THOMAS-GREENFIELD: You know, one, you know, we talked about during my tenure at the U.N. reforming the Security Council. The Security Council does not represent the environment of the world today. We need a Security Council that is much more inclusive. We need to look at how we bring in more African voices. Most African countries were not members of the U.N. when the U.N. was created. I think there were only two, Liberia and Ethiopia.

So Africa needs a voice in the U.N. There are other parts of the world that were not part of the United Nations. So we need to expand the Security Council, and we need to look at some of the U.N. mandates. Maybe we've gone a bit too far, and I know that the Trump administration is doing a review, but also the secretary general has started a review as well to look at how to make the U.N. more fit for purpose, to deal with the crises that the globe is facing today.

DEAN: What are some of those mandates that they're looking at?

THOMAS-GREENFIELD: You know, we're looking at peacekeeping mandates and how those mandates can be brought to an end. What we find with peacekeeping is that it lasts forever. So we need to look at how we actually implement peacekeeping mandates and bring them to -- bring them to a close. We need to look at how the U.N. addresses development issues and whether all of those issues need to be dealt with, with all of the various U.N. agencies that are involved in that.

And we need to make sure the U.N. is much more efficient. We've seen these problems. These are problems we've all identified, but we've not found solutions to them. And hopefully during this 80th session, there will be efforts to find solutions.

DEAN: All right. Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield, really great to have you. Thank you for your time.

THOMAS-GREENFIELD: Thank you, Jessica. It's great being here with you.

DEAN: Thank you.

Boston is a new focus of the Trump administration as ICE agents are descending upon the city. Why immigration enforcement agents say they are targeting Massachusetts now. And the woman convicted of killing three relatives with poisonous mushrooms is about to learn her fate. What punishment she could face.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: New tonight President Trump says he'll decide soon which city will see a surge of federal troops in a crime crackdown, like in Washington. He has hinted Chicago could be next.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: Chicago is a very dangerous place and we have a governor that doesn't care about crime. I guess we could solve Chicago very quickly, but we're going to make a decision as to where we go over the next day or two.

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DEAN: Homeland Security says it already has its next target. That's Massachusetts. It says it's looking closely at so-called sanctuary cities.

Leigh Waldman joining us now with details on this.

Leigh, take us inside what's happening in Boston?

LEIGH WALDMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jessica, this move to have this immigration crackdown in Massachusetts and really targeting Boston comes just a few weeks after the Trump administration hinted at a major operation happening in Boston itself. We heard from DHS today in a statement, they said, "ICE launched Patriot 2.0 to target the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens living in the state of Massachusetts. Following the success of Operation Patriot in May."

That statement went on to blame the mayor of Boston, Michelle Wu, for so-called sanctuary city policies that she has implemented. She also issued a statement today, and it said, "For months, ICE has refused to provide any information about their activities in Boston and refuses to issue warrants while we hear reports of ICE agents taking parents as they are dropping off their kids at school. That does not make our community safer."

She added that the Boston police and local resources will not be utilized to assist in this federal effort that's happening in her community. We also heard from the Massachusetts governor who said this isn't about public safety at all.

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GOV. MAURA HEALEY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: What we have seen from ICE and from the administration really isn't about public safety. It's about political theater. It's about a political power grab and an attempt to intimidate.

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WALDMAN: And all this is happening just days after the DOJ actually filed a lawsuit against the Boston Mayor Michelle Wu, against the Boston Police Department, and against the city itself -- Jessica.

DEAN: And Leigh, is the situation really as bad as the Trump administration says when it comes to all of this?

WALDMAN: Yes, that's a good question. When we looked into, so I looked into Massachusetts' crime statistics. And no, it doesn't fall in line with what the Trump administration is alleging that's happening here. From 2023 to 2024 overall crime was down, specifically violent crime was down. I looked into Boston specifically, and it's the same situation there. We looked at the homicide rates from 2023 to 2024. They dropped by 33 percent. So there's not a surge in violent crime that's happening in Boston or Massachusetts as a whole.

DEAN: All right. Leigh Waldman with the very latest on what's going on in Massachusetts tonight. Thank you so much for digging into that for us.

The 300 South Korean workers in ICE custody will soon be on their way back to their home countries. They are among the 475 people detained in Thursday's raid on a Hyundai LG plant in Georgia. The South Korean government says it's arranging a chartered flight to bring the workers back to their country, and it comes after negotiations between South Korean and U.S. officials.

Let's bring in Mike Valerio, who's joining us now from Seoul, South Korea.

Mike, what more are we learning about these detainees?

MIKE VALERIO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we're getting a breakdown of where exactly they worked for which company. So we know that none of them worked for Hyundai, the huge car company. That's one of the major corporations here in South Korea. The exports, of course, around the world making this huge investment into Georgia.

Our latest reporting is around 50 of the people detained, Jessica, are from LG Energy Solutions. That's the battery side of this mega plant, which is for EVs and for EV batteries. And then the rest of the Korean -- South Korean nationals seem to be subcontractors. So the kind of story line that has been rolling throughout South Korea over the weekend is perhaps, were there visa irregularities and visa problems that, you know, these big corporations like Hyundai didn't know about?

But were there problems with the subcontractors that, you know, they didn't have a good understanding of the complexities of how to navigate through getting the right visas approved by the United States government? So we don't have an exact time frame on when these South Korean nationals will be back here on this side of the world. But it certainly is a plan that's in motion.

DEAN: And Mike, does South -- what kind of impact does South Korea's reaction have on its relationship with the United States?

VALERIO: I would say, Jessica, the people are astonished here, astounded, floored. When you turn on the news, when you go through your social media feed, if you live and work in South Korea, this is all you see. We have this, you know, line of thinking that South Korea is certainly committed to helping the United States reinvigorate American manufacturing, reinvigorate the American tech sector with huge projects like this.

So, you know, South Korean friends, certainly opinion columns throughout this country will say, you know, even if there were visa infractions, perhaps ICE could have come to this mega plant and said, you know, you might not have X, Y, Z in order, but people are stunned, Jessica, that their own citizens, allies of the United States, were handcuffed, chains wrapped around their waist, and then sent to ICE detention like major criminals. So the damage, certainly substantial, with members of the general public.

And it comes as President Trump is expected to come to South Korea in about 54, 53 days for the APEC summit. It's a major economic gathering for Asian Pacific economic powerhouses, where he could be meeting the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping. Crescendo of the trade negotiations between the United States and China. So certainly awkward understatement of the morning and evening where you are to think that this ICE situation could be hanging over the president.

He just posted on Truth a couple minutes ago, trying to sort of assuage concerns about this matter. But I think that the damage, just based on being in the ground, on the ground here, Jessica, certainly has been done.

DEAN: Very interesting. Yes, he'll be there likely at the end of October, beginning of November.

VALERIO: Yes, exactly.

DEAN: Mike Valerio in Seoul, thank you so much for that.

President Trump arriving to mixed reactions at the U.S. Open tennis championship in New York today but broadcasters asked not to show people booing. CNN media analyst Brian Stelter joins us next to talk about this rare request by the U.S. Tennis Association.

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DEAN: President Trump attended the U.S. Open Men's Final today at Arthur Ashe Stadium in New York. His arrival met by a mix of boos and cheers from the audience. But you might not have known it if you were watching on television. The USTA, the U.S. Tennis Association, asking broadcast outlets to not show booing or protests in the crowd during the president's arrival and during the match, saying it wanted to keep the focus on what was going on on the court.

Let's bring in CNN chief media analyst Brian Stelter.

Brian, what did you think about this request?

BRIAN STELTER, CNN CHIEF MEDIA ANALYST: Well, for the same reason that broadcast networks don't usually show streakers running across the field during football games, it is understandable the U.S. Tennis Association wanted to keep the focus on the court, on the tennis stars that were facing off this afternoon.

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That's a reasonable request. But in some of the news coverage about this over the weekend, it was described as an order to censor the broadcasters. And that's much more disturbing. That's much more disturbing. That's obviously much more chilling. There was no actual order, but the request was made and networks like ESPN, they did briefly show Trump a few times on camera. So it wasn't as if there was some sort of actual censorship in place.

But it is notable how Trump was received at the U.S. Open. Why? Because he's been to half a dozen major sporting events in the U.S. this year. Sometimes like when he goes to UFC fighting matches, he is celebrated by folks in the arena. And, you know, generally speaking, when you think about President Trump and his movements, he is rarely in situations where he might hear from critics. He is rarely booed by anybody out in public.

You know, just the other day he was asked about a peace vigil that's always been across the street from the White House for decades. He was told it had anti-Trump messages, so he ordered officials to take it down. He didn't want that outside the White House. So normally he is not in a situation where he is confronted by critics. That is why the booing was notable today, Jessica. There were a mix of cheers and boos for the president when he was shown on the jumbotron a couple of times, not on the TV coverage, but in the arena, in Arthur Ashe Stadium. He was very loudly booed on a couple of occasions.

However, he did have a bunch of fans there as well. He was signing autographs for fans after the match, so like with all things Trump, it was a mix of jeers and cheers. But I think it's only noteworthy because he is rarely in a situation where he's ever going to hear boos from the public at all.

DEAN: Yes. Let's also talk about CBS and some changes there. They have some -- a policy, "Face the Nation," its Sunday show, is saying it's only going to be airing live interviews or unedited prerecorded interviews after the network received backlash from the Trump administration, there was the whole "60 Minutes" thing with Kamala Harris. But this is stemming from a complaint from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, in which she said her remarks were deceptively cut from an interview on "Face the Nation."

What do you think of all of that?

STELTER: Right. Now viewers are wondering if this is another example of capitulation by a major broadcaster, a major news outlet in the face of the Trump administration's pressure. I think on one level, you know, transparency is a good thing. So having these interviews be aired in their entirety either just be done live or be taped, but then have the entire interview air, that's a transparent action, and transparency is a good thing.

But CBS was already being transparent by publishing the full interviews that it taped on YouTube, and by publishing the full transcripts so people could see the words for themselves. In this case, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem complained about what was taken out of her interview last Sunday. Some of what was taken out were lies and distortions that she was making about some figures, and so CBS basically cleaned it up, taking out some of the false information, and then aired the rest on television.

She objected to that and accused the network of trying to bury her remarks. And it does seem that there was some corporate pressure at CBS to try to appease the Trump administration, to try to take the pressure, to lower the temperature, so to speak. I've been told by CBS News staffers they're quite concerned about this, and they're wondering how it's actually going to be implemented.

So it's another one of those data points where we watch for pressure from the administration, and we see how networks respond. But like I said, there is an argument here to go ahead and yes, show the entire interview, let people be heard and let the viewers see the entire answers.

DEAN: Yes. All right. Brian Stelter, thanks so much.

And for our viewers, don't forget, you can sign up for Brian's newsletter. It's excellent. I read it every day. "RELIABLE SOURCES." Go to CNN.com, slash, yes, ReliableSources.

Coming up, Pope Leo announces the first ever millennial saint. Why the pontiff decided to canonize a 15-year-old who loved video games.

Stay with us. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: Catholics from around the world traveled to Rome for a special ceremony. Today, Pope Leo XIV canonizing a 15-year-old boy who loved video games and computers and is credited with two miracles. Carlo Acutis, who passed away in 2006, has been called God's influencer.

And joining us now, Katie McGrady, who hosts her own show on the Catholic Channel on Sirius XM.

Katie, thanks for being here with us on a -- on a Sunday night. I think people hear this story and say, wait, what's happening? Were you surprised by this?

KATIE PREJEAN MCGRADY, HOST, THE CATHOLIC CHANNEL ON SIRIUS XM: I was more surprised at how quickly it happened. It's only been 19 years since Carlo passed away, but that just kind of goes to show how his popularity has grown so much and the efficaciousness of his miracles. There was a miracle in 2013. A miracle that was investigated in 2022. And they were proven to be beyond a reasonable doubt, these miraculous occurrences, as a result of his intercession. So I'm more surprised at how quickly Carlo got to work in heaven than I am at the Vatican saying, yes, we're going to give this guy the sainthood title.

DEAN: And so just give people some context. How often are people named saints? Is this a regular occurrence? This seems to me to be quite rare, but you're the expert. Well, give us some context around it.

MCGRADY: So the canonization process is never cookie cutter because every individual is so unique.

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Now, there are some standards in the process. There's the opening of a cause, there's this very intense investigation into a person's life, and that happens where the person was from or where they died. So the diocese opens that cause, and many years go by before you can declare a person a blessed. That requires at least one miracle. And then to be a saint, an additional miracle. And that investigation, there's everything from conversation with family.

In the case of Carlo, his classmates, his parents, his teachers, his nanny, all the way to people who have been impacted by his story and looking at their writings and looking at what they did, and all of that information gathered together is then kind of sifted through. It's explored. We heard the Holy Father say today, as a result of these testimonies, he is able to make the declaration, this person is in heaven.

And so sometimes it's quite fast. John Paul II, for example, very fast. Carlo, less than 20 years. That's pretty fast. The other saint canonized today, Pier Giorgio Frassati, it's been a very long time. He was beatified in the early '90s. And so I think it's quite interesting how every case is a little unique. There's these obvious markers of the miracles and the investigation part, but it just goes to show that every saint is distinct.

DEAN: Yes. And look, because he was so young and he was sainted as you just laid out relatively quickly, do you think this could be the first time a parent has ever seen their child canonized?

MCGRADY: So that's a great question. In 1950, St. Maria Goretti was canonized and her mother was the first parent to ever be at a canonization. So today was only the second time that parents have been at a canonization as far as we know, in living memory of the church. And it was even more, I think, significant, too, Carlos' siblings were there and they were siblings that Carlo actually never got to meet.

Carlos' twin brother and sister were born four years to the day after Carlo died. His mother often says that that was really the first miracle that they were able to have more children. After Carlo passed away, she struggled with infertility. And so his younger brother read the first reading at this mass today. That has not happened in church history. That's pretty remarkable.

DEAN: Yes, that is quite a story. All right. Katie McGrady, thank you for shining some light on all of this, helping us understand a little bit better. We appreciate it.

MCGRADY: Thank you so much.

DEAN: And this just in, the Australian cook who killed three people with toxic mushrooms in a meal that she made just learned her fate. What a judge decided her punishment should be.

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DEAN: This just in. Dorian Johnson, who witnessed his friend Michael Brown being fatally shot by a police officer in 2014, in Ferguson, Missouri, was shot and killed earlier today. His death coming less than a mile away from where Brown was shot. Ferguson Police say a suspect is in custody.

Johnson and Brown were stopped by Ferguson Police in August of 2014 for walking in the middle of the street. Johnson later filed a suit alleging the officer illegally stopped the pair and used excessive force, but the suit was dismissed in 2019.

Brown's killing was followed by hundreds of days of demonstrations that helped galvanize the Black Lives Matter movement.

The Australian woman convicted of killing three family members with poison mushrooms will likely spend the rest of her life in prison.

Mike Valerio back with us now from Seoul, South Korea, he can do it all, folks, with more details on this.

And Mike, the judge just sentenced this woman a few moments ago. What was it?

VALERIO: Yes. Jessica, there's a lot going on in this side of the world. So three life sentences, 25 years for attempted murder, and it's going to be 33 years until this guilty Erin Patterson, newly sentenced just minutes ago, 50 years old, can apply for parole.

So if you're just new to this story, this is Australia's mushroom murder case. In the middle part of 2023, Erin Patterson organizes a lunch for her estranged husband, his mom, dad, aunt and uncle. There are some strange things that are going on with this family. No motive provided at trial. The estranged husband says, you know what? I feel kind of weird about going to this lunch. I'm not going to go. So it's his family, and the court finds that this 50-year-old woman from Victoria, the small community of Leongatha, poisons these family members deliberately with death cap mushrooms, the most lethal mushrooms on this planet, rolls them in to individually portioned beef wellington.

And three of them succumbed to horrible, excruciating deaths in the hospital days later. One person survives. It's the uncle, a pastor who notably the justice in this case, when he read the verdict from Melbourne a couple of minutes ago, gave her forgiveness. And this justice says you would do well to accept his forgiveness and to admit what you have done.

So one of the crazy things about this case, Jessica, a myriad crazy things, is that she has never accepted responsibility or apologized, even when multiple avenues of her story did not add up.

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For example, she serves toxic mushrooms to her extended family members, but shows up to the hospital for just five minutes, complains of diarrhea and stomach pain, and then leaves. And police interviews and lawyers have said, essentially highly paraphrasing here, hey, if you served poisonous mushrooms, you would do well to stay at the hospital for more than five minutes.

Also, computer records of her searching where to find poisonous mushrooms in Australia, cell phones, ping to those areas of where you could find poisonous mushrooms in Australia. So certainly this is the end of a highly, very compelling case with her sentenced. Again, three life terms, 25 years for attempted murder of that pastor who survived. Certainly dramatic developments in the court -- Jessica.

DEAN: Yes, indeed. Mike Valerio in Seoul, thanks again. We really appreciate it.

Here's a look at five stories we're tracking this week.

Jury selection begins Monday in a Florida federal courthouse for the man accused of trying to assassinate then candidate Donald Trump last year. Ryan Routh is accused of trying to kill Trump at his West Palm Beach Golf Course. Opening statements are expected to begin Thursday. Routh is representing himself in that trial.

In Missouri, the full statehouse will take up legislation on redistricting in order to try to erase a Democratic seat. The Missouri legislature began redrawing its congressional map last week, responding to demands by President Trump and his allies to help the GOP get more seats for next year's midterm elections. Republicans hold a supermajority in the Missouri legislature.

The orders for the D.C. National Guard troops mobilized in that city as part of President Trump's anti-crime efforts have been extended through November 30th. Those orders could also be extended through the end of the year to ensure benefits for Guard members.

Thursday marks the 24th anniversary of the September 11th attacks, and events are planned all across America to commemorate that day. The National September 11th Memorial and Museum in New York will hold its annual ceremony honoring the nearly 3,000 killed at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and on Flight 93.

Coming up on Tuesday, it will be Apple's big fall event where it shows off all its new gadgets ahead of the holiday shopping season. Apple is set to launch the iPhone 17. Some new watches, but the star of the event is expected to be this lighter, slimmer phone called the iPhone Air.

We'll be right back.

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DEAN: A 54-year-old was suffering from excruciating pain for years. He had tried nearly everything, surgeries, medications, nothing seemed to work until he joined a clinical trial of deep brain stimulation, implanting electrodes into his brain.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta saw firsthand how the man's life has changed in his new book "It Doesn't Have to Hurt," and in his new documentary, and here's a preview.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the fall of 2024, Ed had electrodes implanted deep into his brain.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're seeing here Ed's brain and all of these little colors represent probes.

GUPTA: And there are as many neurons in your brain, if not more, than there are stars in the sky.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, exactly.

GUPTA: It's like -- it's like throwing a telescope up at the sky and just seeing what you see or hearing what you hear.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, that's exactly it.

GUPTA: It's quite a daunting task.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're actually recording activity from each one of those 140 contacts to try to identify where to stimulate, but identify what is the signal, the biomarker that tracks his pain.

GUPTA (voice-over): And for the first time ever, they obtained a real time pain map. What you're looking at is Ed's brain in pain, and then they pass an electrical current into Ed's pain centers. And watch what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Both dropped to zero.

GUPTA: To zero.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

GUPTA: You don't feel pain right now?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't feel nothing. I feel my -- I feel my feet.

GUPTA: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like I can. But yes, the pain is gone. The pain stopped.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're not kidding me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not kidding.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can't believe you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not kidding. I can't get dropped. I mean, I mean, it's barely hooking at a one on both of them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's incredible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was like a veil lifting. It was like a ton of bricks falling off your shoulders. It was all at once. All of that. All at once. And it was euphoric.

GUPTA: But that was the first time in a long time, Ed, that you had not been in pain.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mm-hmm. Yes. It's like the best drug I ever did. And I didn't do any drugs.

GUPTA: Right.

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GUPTA (on-camera): I got to tell you, Jessica, that was one of the more extraordinary stories I think I've covered to just see what would happen in someone's brain who's in pain and what can be done about it.

Now, look, no one is suggesting that people should get brain surgery for a chronic pain. But I think what this trial really demonstrated was that you can find these areas in the brain where pain lives. You can see how significant the pain is. You can almost measure it in the brain. You can predict it in the brain. So there would be changes in the brain before someone actually started to experience pain themselves.

And perhaps most importantly, as you saw in Ed's case, they could interrupt that pain using a little bit of electrical discharge through those deep brain stimulators. It's pretty remarkable. I mean, what we're learning about pain, and I think we're going to look at other ways to sort of change the brain to decrease how severe pain is and how long it lasts, not through brain surgery, but other modalities over time.

So that's one of the points I really wanted to get across, Jessica. All pain lies in the brain. The brain decides if you have pain or you don't have pain. And I think that's an opportunity, and hopefully a source of inspiration for a lot of people -- Jessica.

DEAN: Indeed. Thanks so much, "DR. SANJAY GUPTA REPORTS: IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HURT," it airs next here on CNN.

And thank you for joining us tonight. I'm Jessica Dean. We'll see you right back here next weekend.