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Jimmy Kimmel Taken Off Air Over Charlie Kirk Comments; King Charles Rolls Out Royal Red Carpet For Trump And Melania Trump On U.K. State Visit; Markets Mixed After Fed First Rate Cut Since December; E.U. Commission Proposes Curbs On Trade With Israel Over Gaza War; Satellite Images Show Israeli Tanks on Edge of Gaza City; Navalny Widow: Lab Tests Show Russian Opposition Leader Was Poisoned; Brazil's Ex-President Bolsonaro Diagnosed with Skin Cancer; Study: New A.I. Tool Predicts Your Risk of 1,000 Diseases; Meta Unveils New A.I.- Powered Smart Glasses; Ben & Jerry's Co-Founder Quits in Dispute with Unilever. Aired 1-2a ET

Aired September 18, 2025 - 01:00   ET

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LYNDA KINKADE, CNN ANCHOR: Hello and welcome. I'm Lynda Kinkade. Ahead here on CNN Newsroom, another late night host canceled Disney yanks Jimmy Kimmel show off air indefinitely with the comments the comedian made about the suspect in the Charlie Kirk murder.

U.S. President Trump says his second U.K. state visit has been one of the highest honors of his life as the Jeffrey Epstein scandal looms large on the streets of London and researchers have developed an AI tool that can predict your future health, just like the weather.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Live from Atlanta. This is CNN Newsroom with Lynda Kinkade.

KINKADE: We're following a developing story about the increasing influence of political power on the U.S. media. ABC has canceled late night show Jimmy Kimmel Live indefinitely following pressure from the Trump administration. It comes after comments from the comedian Monday about the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. CNN entertainment correspondent Elizabeth Wagmeister reports.

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ELIZABETH WAGMEISTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Shock waves are being sent through Hollywood after Jimmy Kimmel's late night show was suddenly yanked off the air. A spokesperson for ABC telling me, quote, Jimmy Kimmel live preempted indefinitely, end quote.

Now Kimmel's show being taken off the air comes after the late night host made comments on his show about Charlie Kirk's suspected murderer. Take a look.

JIMMY KIMMEL, HOST, "JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE": We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.

WAGMEISTER: Kimmel's comments prompted FCC chair Brendan Carr to speak about that on a podcast Wednesday, just hours before ABC made the decision to preempt the show.

BRENDAN CARR, CHAIRMAN, FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION: You know, when you look at the conduct that has taken place by Jimmy Kimmel, it appears to be some of the sickest conduct possible. Obviously, there's calls for Kimmel be fired. I think, you know, you could certainly see a path forward for suspension over this. And again, you know, the FCC is going to have remedies that we could look at.

WAGMEISTER: Sources I've spoken to in the entertainment industry said that the decision came so suddenly that celebrity guests who were booked on Kimmel's Wednesday night show were actually on their way to the studio in Hollywood where Jimmy Kimmel Live tapes. That's when their publicists started receiving news alerts that the show had been pulled off of the air.

Now, the White House has commented on this, with President Donald Trump posting, quote, congratulations to ABC for finally having the courage to do what had to be done. That leaves Jimmy Fallon and Seth, two total losers on fake news NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do it. NBC.

Of course, what the president is referring to there is Stephen Colbert show being canceled over on CBS, leaving the future of late night really in question.

Now, I have reached out to a representative for Kimmel and have not heard back yet. Back to you.

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KINKADE: Thanks to Elizabeth Wagmeister. Well, the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel came at the urging of the Trump appointee running the Federal Communications Commission, which has the power to revoke broadcasting licenses. Anna Gomez is the only Democratic member of that commission. She spoke to CNN earlier.

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ANNA GOMEZ, FCC COMMISSIONER: An inexcusable act of political violence by one disturbed individual must never be exploited as justification for broader censorship or control. And what you're seeing here is this administration is increasingly using the weight of government power to suppress lawful expression, not because it glorifies violence or breaks the law, but because it challenges those in power and reflects views they oppose.

So I think we really need to make very clear that the First Amendment does not allow us, the FCC, to tell broadcasters what they can broadcast. Personally, I'd rather not speak ill of the dead, but I understand Jimmy Kimmel is a satirist and a comedian. [01:05:02]

I saw the clip. He did not make any unfounded claims, but he did make a joke, one that others may even find crude. But that is neither illegal nor grounds for companies to capitulate to this administration in ways that violate the First Amendment. And we must be careful not to allow the government to punish critics simply because of content. This sets a dangerous new precedent, and companies must stand firm against any efforts to trade away First Amendment freedoms.

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KINKADE: One week after Charlie Kirk was killed at the Utah University, classes are now back in session. Two students who were just feet away from Kirk when he was shot told CNN they keep reliving the horrific moments. They say they can't get the shooting out of their heads. The school is providing counseling and other support services for the shaking community. Utah Valley is the largest university in the state with about 45,000 students.

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ASTRID TUMINEZ, PRESIDENT, UTAH VALLEY UNIVERSITY: I said to them, take your grief, your anger, your fear, you know, cradle it like a baby. You have to feel it. And then after that, then you have to decide what is the pathway that we as human beings connected to one another actually deal with tragedies like this because you do have decisions to make when you wake up every morning.

As Governor Spencer Cox of the state has said, we can wake up in the morning and decide, will we better people today? Will we listen to others who disagree with us? Will we be willing to understand and extend a hand as citizens of one great country?

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KINKADE: The suspect accused of killing Charlie Kirk appeared in court Tuesday. 22-year-old Tyler Robertson is charged with aggravated murder and obstruction of justice as well as other offenses. Prosecutors say they will pursue the death penalty.

Well, now to the British royal family rolling out the red carpet for the U.S. President during his unprecedented second state visit to the UK. Glowing tributes were shared on Wednesday against the grandeur of a state banquet at Windsor Castle.

While standing next to King Charles iii, Donald Trump paid his utmost respects, calling the visit truly one of the highest honors of his life, adding that the special relationship between the two countries does not begin to do it justice.

The king, for his part, said, the ocean may divide us, but in so many other ways, we are now the closest of Kim.

(BEGIN VIDEO CIP) KING CHARLES III, ENGLAND: Our countries are working together in support of crucial diplomatic efforts, not least of which, Mr. President, is your own personal commitment to finding solutions to some of the world's most intractable conflicts in order to secure peace.

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KINKADE: Before the big banquet, there was plenty of pomp and ceremony and symbolism. King Charles and President Trump set off in a carriage ride through the Windsor Estate. This is the same coach Queen Elizabeth II generally used to travel to the annual state opening of Parliament.

The British and American national anthems were played as the procession got underway. The King and president were accompanied by 80 soldiers who underwent a ceremonial inspection.

And then there was the Royal Air Force flyover trails of red, white and blue streaming through the skies. Wednesday's festivities were held in Windsor, a good distance from the protesters in London, and that helped keep many, but not all, of the activists away. CNN's Nic Robertson explains.

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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: The Epstein scandal following President Trump nearly 4,000 miles away from the White House, protesters going to creative lengths to make sure that no one misses their message. Trump cannot hide from questions about Epstein even in London.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's the exact reason we're bringing it up here, so he doesn't escape it. He tweets out, stop talking about it. So if he tells you to stop talking about it, you know you should talk about it. He can't escape his past.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): Brits coming out on the streets against Trump, using his association with the convicted pedophile to send him a message.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think we have to keep the focus firmly on what Trump's been up to. And of course, the one thing he fears most is the Epstein files. And they have to come out.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): And get a message about Trump to their own leaders, too.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are aware of who he is, despite our government laying out red carpets and gold coaches and whatever.

ROBERTSON: Are you angry the government's doing that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, yeah. Disgusted, revolted. Any other adjectives you'd like. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a leader of the free world that can talk

about women the way he talks about women, that can consort with people like Epstein. What's that saying to men? What does that say to young men? And what does that mean for women like my children?

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ROBERTSON: All of this in the center of London, dozens of miles, where President Trump is out at Windsor with the royals, enjoying the best of the pomp and circumstance Brits can lay on. But even out there, the specter of Epstein is haunting him.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): Images of Trump and Jeffrey Epstein and the King's brother, Prince Andrew, projected onto the walls of Windsor Castle. The police moving quickly to arrest four people on suspicion of malicious communications.

A stinging reminder for Trump's host, the King, a member of his own family, has become part of the Epstein scandal. Andrew denied the allegations, but was removed from royal duties more than three years ago. UK PM Starmer too, struggling with Epstein related scandal.

Last week he fired his ambassador to Washington, Peter Mandelson, for reportedly telling Epstein, I think the world of you after his conviction. Last week, Mandelson saying he regretted the comments.

In Windsor, anti-Trump protesters took more shots at getting the Trump-Epstein image out, rolling out a massive photo of the pair and splashing it around town on a mobile billboard. And one prankster inserting Trump-Epstein mugs at the Royal's Windsor gift shop, posing as merch for the Trump visit.

Prior to this state visit, Trump has dismissed interest in Epstein as boring stuff, claiming it's a Democrat hoax.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): It's not just because the Jeffrey Epstein scandal has touched the Royal family and touched the Prime Minister. There seem to be quite a number of people here in the U.K. who track, actively track what's happening in the United States, and they want to put it right back in President Trump's face. There's a clear message from them, it seems. They don't want any part of it and they don't want him here either. Nic Robertson, CNN, London.

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KINKADE: Joining us now is Clive Irving, a Vanity Fair contributor and the author of the Last Queen, a biography of Queen Elizabeth the Second. Great to have you on the program.

CLIVE IRVING, VANITY FAIR CONTRIBUTOR: Thanks for having me.

KINKADE, : So no other U.S. President has had the honor of two full state visits to the U.K. with all the royal fanfare and of course, a banquet fit for kings. The U.K. usually limits these state dinners to just two per year, globally. So why now and why Trump? IRVING: Well, I think it's been a -- an astonishing test for a system

which has so far been unique to the U.K. and in terms of the statecraft involved. This is the only country in the world where the monarch can be engaged as an agent of the interests of the country. There's not.

So if you just think for a moment if there were not a monarch or a monarchy in Britain, and this was a combination -- this is a discussion going on between the Prime Minister and Trump. It would be a much weaker discussion because we have here a president who is vainglorious and loves nothing more than the reflected glory of kingship and monarchy.

KINKADE: The red carpet reception by the royals was happening. We saw thousands of people protesting in London, and even we saw that protest outside Windsor Castle. Some signs at the various protests read, dump Trump. Others said, Trump for President. Others said, no to racism. No to Trump.

What do U.K. opinion polls say about Trump's popularity? And is the lavish welcome out of step with public sentiment?

IRVING: It's completely out of step with public sentiment. But I don't know what the figures are. I think they're about 80 percent disapproval rate for Trump, but the disapproval rate for Trump in the U.S. is quite high, too. So I don't think that's something that they would take into account. It's not a question of gauging how much Trump has offended the British people. And he's offended the British people and the Scottish people, I should add, quite a bit, too when he was in Scotland.

You know, this is a very pragmatic and almost cynical operation in relationships. And at the banquet, Trump talked about the special relationship being much more than special, being very special. So in that sense, he was responding very positively to being wooed in a specific way.

And this was -- I want to repeat, this is the only country which can use this archaic device, which it is the assembly of all these feudal customs and the soldiers dressed as red coats and all that kind of stuff.

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This pageant is a quasi historical pageant was exactly on target to trigger Trump's emotions. But when you talk about Trump to the British people that much more concerned about his lack of empathy, his ability to turn nasty on people very quickly. The example of Brazil is cited where he inflicted 50 percent tariffs on Brazil simply because he didn't agree with the fact that they'd put the former president on trial for doing the very same thing that Trump attempted on January 6th, an insurrection.

KINKADE: Yes. And just finally, Clive, how is King Charles balancing tradition and politics? INVING: King Charles has views that are completely anti-personal views

that are completely antithetical to Trump's. He's been a longtime crusader for the environment. He has been made a point of inviting Volodymyr Zelenskyy to Sandringham to show his support, solidarity, both his solidarity for the Ukraine and his hostage -- hostility to Putin.

So you must say in the end, as a diplomat, by keeping a straight face at the banquet and keeping a straight face when he's talking to Trump, he sort of vacated his own personality and adapted to the moment.

KINKADE: He certainly has. All right, we'll leave it there for now. Clive Irving, great to have you on the program. Thanks so much.

IRVING: Thanks very much.

KINKADE: The U.S. Federal Reserve announced its first interest rate cut in months. How this could impact the wallet of everyday Americans. That story next.

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KINKADE: The U.S. stock market closed in mixed territory Wednesday after the Federal Reserve met its first interest rate cut since December. The central bank lowered its benchmark lending rate by a quarter point to support the job market. CNN's Richard Quest reports.

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RICAHRD QUEST, CNN BUSINESS EDITOR-AT-LARGE: The fact that the Federal Reserve cut interest rates was not a surprise. It was one of the worst kept secrets that they were planning to do this because they telegraphed it so much in recent weeks.

What is interesting is the way in which they have portrayed what the chairman of the Fed, Jerome Powell, called managing risk. On the one hand, higher inflation, on the other, higher unemployment and job creation difficulties. The Fed has to balance those two and give to priority to that which is important and more crucial at the moment. And so it's jobs and that got the attention. And interest rates were cut.

So far, so good. But then you get to the dissent. The arrival of Stephen Miran, the President Trump's former chief economic adviser, who's now a member of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. He was voted in on Monday and this was his first meeting.

Stephen Miran made it clear he would have cut rates by a half a percentage point. And that's now led to accusations that more politics has been introduced to the work of the Fed. The Fed has always liked to think of itself as being above politics, doing what is right for the U.S. economy.

The arrival of Mr. Miran and his latest vote suggests times are a changing. Richard Quest, CNN, New York.

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KINKADE: Well, the widow of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny never bought the official explanation of his death. And now she claims she has proof he was poisoned in prison. That story next.

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KINKADE: Welcome back. You're watching CNN Newsroom. I'm Lynda Kinkade. The European Union's foreign policy chief says the bloc is looking to send a strong message over the ongoing war in Gaza and is now proposing new trade sanctions on Israel as well as far-right Israeli ministers.

There would also be sanctions on members of Hamas. If the measures are approved, the EU's Free Trade Agreement with Israel will be partially suspended and Israel would lose its preferential access to the E.U. market.

The E.U .officials said the aim is not to punish Israel but to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza. Inside the enclave, hospitals say nearly 100 Palestinians were killed in less than 24 hours. Israeli tanks are said to be stationed on the edge of Gaza City. CNN's Jeremy Diamond reports.

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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Israeli tanks are surrounding Gaza City as the Israeli military says its offensive to conquer and ultimately occupy that city is very much underway. Two divisions of Israeli troops or some 20,000 troops have been mobilized for this operation. But we've yet to actually see those Israeli tanks moving into the heart of Gaza City, where hundreds of thousands of people are still living.

The military has been stepping up its aerial bombardment of the city in the meantime, though, striking some 150 targets over the last two days, according to the Israeli military. And we've seen that in Gaza on Wednesday. Dozens of people in Gaza City alone have been killed so far.

One of those Israeli bombardments actually struck a children's hospital. The Al Rantisi Hospital in Gaza City was bombed three times, actually, overnight while dozens of patients were inside.

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Hospital officials rushing to get those patients, including children, out of that facility very quickly.

The Israeli military is trying to get more Palestinians to leave Gaza City at this moment. They've already estimated that some 350,000 have been displaced from Gaza City. But they're now opening a second temporary evacuation route, not the coastal one that we've already seen be opened, but this one coming from the center of the city, heading south, encouraging people over the next two days to use that route to get out of the city.

But it's important to note that even as the Israeli military says it wants to get civilians out of harm's way, it is facing accusations of ethnic cleansing and of carrying out the mass forced displacement of Palestinians in Gaza once again.

And so many Palestinians have seen that before, when evacuation routes have been outlined, those routes have also been struck by the Israeli military or gunfire has been directed at people along those routes.

For other Palestinians, they simply don't have the means to get out of Gaza City. Or they may be too ill, injured to actually get out of the city on foot, a multi-hour journey in order to get to southern Gaza.

And so the Israeli government is coming under growing international condemnation over this major new offensive in Gaza City. The latest news on that front is from the European Commission, which is proposing new trade sanctions targeting Israel and far-right Israeli ministers. This would need to be approved by E.U. member states, but it could lead to a partial suspension of the European Union's free trade agreement with Israel. And the E.U., it's important to note, is Israel's biggest trading partner, accounting for some 32 percent of Israel's total trade in goods. That could have an impact if it moves forward.

Jeremy Diamond, CNN -- Tel Aviv.

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LYNDA KINKADE, CNN ANCHOR: Well, more high-tech weapons made in the U.S. will be headed to Ukraine. President Zelenskyy says his military will be getting another batch of HIMARS rocket launchers and Patriot air defense systems.

Those will be among the first weapons supplied to Ukraine under a new financing program agreed to by the U.S. and NATO. President Trump has been critical of military aid to Ukraine, and this initiative offers a way for Europe to pay for the weapons that the U.S. sends.

Well, the widow of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny says she has evidence that he was murdered in a Russian prison last year. At the time, officials suggested his death was the result of a vague medical course.

Navalny's father -- family, was denied access to his remains for days. And now his widow says she knows the reason why.

CNN's Melissa Bell reports.\

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YULIA NAVALNAYA, ALEXEI NAVALNY'S WIDOW: Alexei was killed, more specifically, he was poisoned.

MELISSA BELL, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The allegation by Alexei Navalny's widow is not new. What is, says Yulia Navalnaya in a video released on her X account, is the proof.

NAVALNAYA: In February 2024, we were able to obtain samples of Alexei's biological material and securely smuggled them abroad. Labs in at least two countries examined the samples independently of each other.

BELL: How the samples were obtained and smuggled out of Russia is not explained. But Navalnaya does share images of her late husband's prison cell in Russia's arctic circle, with visible vomit on the floor.

Also suggesting in a video that the labs, located in two unnamed countries, would not provide the full toxicology reports for political reasons.

NALVANAYA: I demand that the labs that conducted the analysis publish their results. Stop pandering to Putin on account of so-called higher considerations. While you remain silent, he doesn't stop.

BELL: For nearly a decade, Navalny was Vladimir Putin's most persistent domestic critic. In 2020, he was poisoned with a nerve agent, Novichok, but recovered. Speaking with CNN shortly afterwards.

ALEXEI NAVALNY, RUSSIAN OPPOSITION LEADER: It's impossible to believe it. It's kind of stupid, the whole idea of poisoning with a chemical weapon, what the (EXPLETIVE DELETED)?

This is why this is so smart because even reasonable people, they refuse to believe, like what? Come on. Poisoned. Seriously.

BELL: Yet he returned to Moscow in 2021, where he was immediately arrested. After three years in a brutal Siberian jail, the 47-year-old died with Russian investigators blaming a sudden spike in blood pressure and chronic diseases.

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BELL: Thousands attended Navalny's funeral in Moscow despite the crackdown on public dissent that followed Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Now, his widow says she wants the truth despite the inconvenience it might represent to those countries now hoping for peace.

NAVALNAYA: Alexei was my husband. He was my friend. He was a symbol of hope for our country. Putin killed that hope. We have the right to know how he did it.

BELL: Melissa Bell, CNN -- Paris.

(END VIDEOTAPE) KINKADE: Brazil's former president Jair Bolsonaro, who last week was convicted of plotting a coup and sentenced to 27 years in prison, has been diagnosed with a common type of skin cancer. Doctors say two lesions tested positive for squamous cell carcinoma.

CNN Brazil reporter Luciana Amaral has the details.

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LUCIANA AMARAL, CNN BRAZIL CORRESPONDENT: Former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro was diagnosed with early-stage skin cancer this Wednesday. The cancerous lesions were removed last Sunday and at this point no further treatment is needed. Only regular follow ups.

The diagnosis was released by Bolsonaro's medical team. He was discharged from hospital after spending the night under observation due to vomiting, hiccups and low blood pressure.

Bolsonaro has been under house arrest for over a month, wearing an ankle monitor. Last week, he was convicted of plotting a failed military coup d'etat and for other crimes.

Along with Bolsonaro, another seven members of his inner circle have been found guilty by a panel of Supreme Court justices.

They were found guilty of conspiring to cling on to power after losing his bid for reelection in 2022. That includes casting doubt over the Brazilian voting system and encouraging a riot.

Bolsonaro denies attempting to orchestrate a coup or planning to kill current President Luiz Inacio "Lula" Da Silva. He says the trial is a witch hunt, although he has said he did seek ways within the constitution to remain in power after his defeat.

Jair Bolsonaro's supporters now have been calling for an amnesty for the former president. They believe the judgment was actually a political persecution.

On the other hand, Bolsonaro's critics and Lula's government say that the trial was necessary to turn a page here in Brazil, as Brazilian politics have suffered years and years of division. They say it was also a major test of the nation's democracy.

From Brasilia, Luciana Amaral.

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KINKADE: Well, predicting the future of personal health care with artificial intelligence. Still to come, I'll speak with an expert whose team created a groundbreaking A.I. tool that can not only predict your risk of developing disease, it can do so 20 years in advance.

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A groundbreaking new artificial intelligence tool is gaining attention for its ability to predict how multiple diseases could evolve over time.

By analyzing your medical records, the system can forecast the risk of developing more than 1,000 different diseases, according to a new report published in the science journal "Nature".

Well, researchers call the tool Delphi-2M, and they trained it using health data from more than 400,000 people in the U.K. Those results were validated against records from nearly 2 million Danish individuals.

The A.I. tool can even be used to forecast health issues up to 20 years into the future. Experts believe modeling the potential for disease is critical for not only the future of healthcare, but for economic planning as well. They also say the new tool could help promote a more proactive health care system.

Well, joining me now is one of the authors of that paper, Dr. Tom Fitzgerald, a senior staff scientist and faculty member at the European Bioinformatics Institute. Great to have you with us, Doctor.

DR. TOM FITZGERALD, SENIOR STAFF SCIENTIST AND FACULTY MEMBER, EUROPEAN BIOINFORMATICS INSTITUTE: Wonderful to join you, Lynda.

KINKADE: So, this is a fascinating.

DR. FITZGERALD: Very, very --

KINKADE: This is a fascinating tool. It's been described as a major leap forward in disease prediction. Just in plain terms, just explain this gen transformer model. And what does it have in common with an A.I. bot like ChatGPT.

DR. FITZGERALD: Yes, it's a great question. So along with -- so our team at EBI, along with colleagues from DKFZ in Germany, have made some real innovations in generative transformer models which allows us to model health in a way where we can include the likely disease timing across large populations.

So that type of model is very similar to tools like ChatGPT. But some of the key differences is that we've been able to encode time in the form of age, which allows our model to learn both what's most likely to happen next in an individual's disease trajectory.

But also when risks of certain diseases likely to rise within somebody's life, which is obviously a very important, feature for modeling healthcare data and has many interesting applications.

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KINKADE: Yes. Tell us a little bit more about those applications, because this tool quite interestingly can forecast not only the risk for developing about a thousand diseases, but 20 years into the future, right?

DR. FITZGERALD: Yes. So what's quite remarkable is that actually the model has really impressive predictive performance across a broad set of disease classes. Current model, as you say, includes more than a thousand diseases.

And if you if you compare that predictive performance to single disease risk models, some of which are implemented in the clinic already, the model shows similar, if not superior predictive performance.

And due to some of the modifications that we've made to the underlying architecture, those predictions can remain stable for up to a decade into the future for some conditions.

Of course, it's a bit variable in terms of which diseases the predictive performance maintains for that long into the future. But it is it is remarkable for us to see that, you know, that we can model a large section of disease in whole populations with robust predictions many years into the future.

KINKADE: Yes, it is remarkable. And speaking of those populations, you train this model on U.K. data, and then you tested it on Danish health records. Why did you use those sort of records and how can those findings be applied to other populations?

DR. FITZGERALD: Yes. So we trained our model in the U.K. biobank, which is a population research cohort which contains a lot of linked information, genetics, biomarker data, but also health records.

And that's close to half a million individuals with very well- maintained data sets, well-linked. So that was a really good cohort to use to test our model and to train our model.

But another really remarkable point, and I think a really key finding of this study is that we were able to transfer our model that was trained in the U.K. in patient or individual data health records from the U.K. population without any retraining or fine tuning of the model.

And evaluate, or validate our model in the Danish healthcare registry setting, using close to two million individuals within the Danish population.

And although we see a marginal loss in predictive performance overall, the model still stays really remarkably accurate, showing that it's been able to learn some patterns which are generalizable across different populations -- at least two different populations.

KINKADE: Wow.

DR. FITZGERALD: So that was really, really nice to see.

KINKADE: Yes. Because accuracy really is key here If you're giving people predictions on their health in the future. But I also want to ask about the questions regarding privacy

especially in places where you could potentially be denied health insurance because of a possible risk of a disease in the future. What safeguards are in place to ensure its ethical use?

DR. FITZGERALD: Yes, it's a great question. So I think the first point is to say that our model is not ready for clinical use, and that there needs to be a lot more testing and evaluation and policy review before such a model would be available within a clinical application.

I, we think probably within 5 to 10 years is the likely timeframe for when one might be able to use these types of models or models similar to it within a -- in a healthcare setting.

And the most obvious application would be a type of early warning system where clinicians and doctors could look at the competing risks on an individual level to help them make a more informed diagnosis and early diagnosis, which ultimately would lead to improvement in health provision on the individual level.

KINKADE: And just quickly, in terms of predicting future disease, which ones were most accurate in your study?

DR. FITZGERALD: Yes. So, so heart conditions are one, disease class where the model is pretty accurate and remains accurate for many years into the future.

There is obviously some variability and, another disease, if one could class it that is death. So the model is actually very, very good at predicting death in the short term. And that prediction actually tails off relatively quickly over time, which makes sense if you think about it.

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DR. FITZGERALD: So as you -- as people age or they become more closer to death, many factors start to add up within their health journey, which helps our model to understand that somebody is -- at more or less likely to approach death.

KINKADE: Wow. Tom -- Dr. Tom Fitzgerald, fascinating. Great to have you on the program. Thanks so much for your time.

DR. FITZGERALD: Thank you. It's a pleasure

KINKADE: Well, Meta is continuing to innovate using A.I., this time introducing a new set of smart glasses in a partnership with Ray-Ban. The model name display is a bid to ditch the smartphone and push users to interact more with their surroundings.

Our Clare Duffy tried it out.

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CLARE DUFFY, CNN TECH REPORTER: Whoa. That's crazy. These are the new Meta Ray-Ban display glasses, the next generation of

A.I.-powered wearables. Meta is making a bet that with these glasses, users won't need to spend so much time looking down at their phone.

Unlike previous versions, which you could only interact with via voice and audio, these feature a tiny display inside the lens, and they come with what's called a neural wristband, so you can navigate simply with hand and finger gestures.

So what I'm seeing right now on this little display, it looks like, you know, the home page of Spotify for whatever song you're currently listening to.

So you've got the play button, the forward and backward button. You can shuffle. Yes. And then when I do the volume, I see the little volume button open up. Cool.

They're a bit bulkier than previous versions of the Meta Ray-Bans. They still look and feel more or less like regular glasses, just slightly thicker and heavier.

People around you won't be able to see what you're seeing on the glasses display. That's by design. So your messages or photos remain private.

It's probably going to take some getting used to for most people to interact with the world around you while seeing a little display in front of your eye. But I was surprised by how high quality the display was.

You're going to have to take my word for it on this one, because you can only see it if you're wearing them.

And I liked that you can turn the display on and off. So if you're doing focused work or walking around outside, you won't be distracted.

And I did find the neural wristband gestures intuitive to learn. You can capture and view photos and videos. There's live captioning, navigation, video calling. You can ask A.I. about your surroundings and also view and respond to messages, all of which I tried in a mostly successful brief demo.

You may remember when Google tried to do this back in 2013 with Google glass, but that product flopped because it was expensive, unfashionable, and had limited functionality.

This is another way for Meta to get its A.I. Technology to be a bigger part of our daily lives. and it'll test how ready the world is for more advanced wearables.

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KINKADE: We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back with much more.

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Ben & Jerry's co-founder, Jerry Greenfield is quitting over a dispute with the U.S. ice cream makers parent company. He accuses Unilever of curtailing their ability to speak out on social and political causes.

CNN's Vanessa Yurkevich reports.

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VANESSA YURKEVICH, CNN BUSINESS AND POLITICS CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Ben Cohen, one-half of Ben & Jerry's, told me that they're both really sad that it's come to this.

These are two guys who met in junior high school who started an ice cream shop out of an old gas station in Burlington, Vermont and did not have these kinds of ambitions.

But of course, Ben & Jerry's is synonymous with ice cream now. Ben telling me that Jerry felt like he had no choice but to resign and to quit the company.

And this really goes back a few years now over disputes between Ben & Jerry's and their parent company, Unilever. Ben & Jerry's actually sued Unilever because they said that the company was censoring their social media posts about social activism, which they say is at the core of the company and posts having to do with supporting Palestinians in Gaza.

I spoke to Ben and he told me a little bit more about Jerry's thought process and why he ultimately resigned. Take a listen.

Is there a Ben & Jerry's without Jerry?

BEN COHEN, CO-FOUNDER, BEN & JERRY'S: The spirit of Jerry will always be at Ben & Jerry's.

YURKEVICH: Have you spoken to him today or in the past few days?

COHEN: Yes, I have. You know, it's a -- it's a huge thing for him. I, you know, I think that -- you know, Jerry has a really big heart and this conflict with Unilever was really kind of tearing him apart.

So he felt like he had no choice to resign. I think that I can be most helpful, from the inside. And Jerry's going to try to be helpful from the outside.

YURKEVICH: Unilever did release a statement thanking Jerry for his service and support, and they went on to say, quote, "We disagree with his perspective and have sought to engage both co-founders in a constructive conversation on how to strengthen Ben & Jerry's powerful values-based position in the world."

They went on to say that they remain committed to Ben & Jerry's unique three-part mission, which includes product, economic and social missions.

Now, what is next for Ben & Jerry's? Well, they will still continue to make ice cream. Ben will still be a part of the company, and he says he's going to work from within while Jerry does more work on the outside. Ben & Jerry's still a classic in the ice cream space, just not having Jerry there anymore.

Back to you.

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KINKADE: Our thanks to Vanessa for that story.

Thanks also to you for joining us. I'm Lynda Kinkade.

Stay with us. CNN NEWSROOM continues with my colleague Kristie Lu Stout in just a moment.

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