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Federal Agents And Protesters Clash Near Illinois ICE Facility; Netanyahu Says He Hopes Hostages Will Be Released Within Days; Interview With Rep. Madeleine Dean (D-PA); Congress Leaves D.C. With No Funding Deal In Sight; Trump W.H. Threatening Thousands Of Govt. Layoffs, Freezes Billions In Funds For Democratic-Led Cities; Former NFL Q.B. And Current TV Analyst Mark Sanchez Arrested While Hospitalized From Apparent Stabbing In Indianapolis; Who Do Americans Blame For The Government Shutdown? Aired 6-7p ET

Aired October 04, 2025 - 18:00   ET

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JESSICA DEAN, CNN HOST: You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Jessica Dean here in New York. We are following three major stories tonight. Protesters and federal agents once again clashing. Law enforcement even using teargas at one point to clear crowds out demonstrating against the Trump administration's immigration enforcement in Chicago.

Plus, as day four of the Federal government shutdown wraps up, lawmakers are not there on Capitol Hill. No votes scheduled right now for the weekend. The Senate does return on Monday. No word yet on when the House will return.

And then our third story that we want to get to tonight. Israel's Prime Minister saying he is hopeful all of the Israeli hostages held by Hamas living and dead will be released in a matter of days as part of President Trump's plan in the war in Gaza.

Hamas kidnapped 251 people from Israel on October 7, 2023. More than 200 of them have been returned, 148 of them alive. That leaves 47 people still being held captive, 20 of them assumed to still be alive and Israel also wants the remains of the 27 others who are presumed dead.

Netanyahu says its -- the Israeli military will remain in Gaza in coordination with President Trump.

Let's go now to Jeremy Diamon who has more details from Tel Aviv -- Jeremy.

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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Tens of thousands of Israelis took to the streets of Tel Aviv on Saturday night in what has become a rare moment of hope and optimism in Israel and perhaps in the region at large.

Both Israel and Hamas seemingly willing to move forward with negotiations and perhaps even with this deal that could end the war in Gaza and secure the release of all 48 hostages still being held there. The Israeli Prime Minister addressing the Israeli public as those protests were taking place striking quite an optimistic tone.

The Israeli Prime Minister saying that he hopes that he will be able to come back to the Israeli public during the Jewish holiday of Sukkot, a week long holiday that begins on Monday and be able to announce the good news that all 48 hostages are being returned to Israel.

The Prime Minister said that he is dispatching a negotiating team led by his closest advisor, Strategic Affairs Minister, Ron Dermer, to Egypt in the coming days in order to try and close this deal. The Prime Minister said that his goal is going to be to try and limit these negotiations to a matter of days rather than weeks, saying that he will be trying to prevent any stalling tactics from Hamas.

We have heard Hamas, of course, express its willingness to release all 48 hostages right up front at the beginning of a ceasefire, according to the terms of President Trump's 20-point plan to end this war. They have said that they are willing to enter into immediate negotiations over this and we know that a Hamas delegation was indeed set to arrive in Cairo on Saturday night.

And so it seems like these negotiations are indeed going to move forward with President Trump saying that a ceasefire can take immediate effect once Hamas approves the Israeli withdrawal lines for the first phase of this agreement, but make no mistake, despite the momentum and the optimism that is certainly in the air, despite the fact that this moment really does feel different from any other, there are going to be some very tough sticking points to discuss in these negotiations, beginning with those withdrawal lines.

The map that President Trump has put forward on social media, these really seem to be the kind of deepest Israeli lines within Gaza for any potential withdrawal that have been discussed over the course of ceasefire negotiations, and so you can bet that Hamas is going to want to counter those.

Beyond that, of course, we also know that Hamas, in its statements has yet to actually say whether it is willing to disarm and disarming and Gaza being demilitarized are requirements for the United States and for Israel in order to see this war actually end.

And so all of those issues are going to need to be discussed in what are set to be very intense negotiations set to begin in the Egyptian capital of Cairo. But I can tell you from speaking with some of the hostages families on Saturday night, there is a sense of hope and optimism, something that has been sorely missing now for much of the last two years.

Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Tel Aviv.

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DEAN: Jeremy, thank you. And he referenced the Israeli withdrawal line there.

A short time ago, President Trump said Israel agreed to his parameters for an initial pullout from Gaza, as outlined in his peace proposal. If Hamas agrees, and that's a big if, if Hamas agrees, Trump says a ceasefire would begin immediately, along with a hostage and prisoner exchange.

Let's bring in Julia Benbrook, who is following this from The White House angle.

Julia, there is certainly a lot of movement on this. The President and his team really trying to move quickly here. What are you hearing this evening?

JULIA BENBROOK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, in a post earlier today, Jessica trump said that Israel had agreed to stop the bombing in order to give the hostage release and the peace plan a chance. He also in that post warned Hamas to move quickly or essentially, or else, he said.

Now we have seen movement in recent days. It is important to note, though, and as Jeremy pointed out several times, it is unclear how or when we could see a lasting peace agreement with those withdrawal lines being a likely area of pushback for Hamas, but we have again seen momentum this last week.

On Monday, Trump hosted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu here at The White House, and the two sat down for a bilateral meeting. They then hosted a joint press conference where Netanyahu said he supported Trump's 20-point plan to end the war. That plan calls for the release of hostages held by Hamas within 72 hours of an agreement, and lays out a roadmap for Gaza following the end of the war.

After being given a deadline, Hamas did say that they would immediately enter negotiations for the release of hostages, but stopped short of fully endorsing Trump's 20-point proposal.

Trump, in remarks in the Oval Office, called this a "big day" but cautioned that this is not a done deal yet. Take a listen.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: This is a big day. We will see how it all turns out. We have to get the final word down in concrete. Very importantly, I look forward to having the hostages come home to their parents.

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BENBROOK: And I do want to pull up that post that I referenced earlier to read that to you in full. Trump said this: "I appreciate that Israel has temporarily stopped the bombing in order to give the hostage release and peace deal a chance to be completed. Hamas must move quickly or else all bets will be off. I will not tolerate delay, which many think will happen or any outcome where Gaza poses a threat again. Let's get this done fast. Everyone will be treated fairly." So emphasizing that he wants to move quickly on this. He does not want

to see this drag out any longer. It has been a long stated goal from Trump that he wants to help bring this conflict to an end.

DEAN: All right, Julia Benbrook, thank you so much from The White House. We appreciate that.

We are also four days now into the government shutdown and President Trump is threatening massive layoffs, charging Budget Chief Russ Vought with determining which federal agencies should be subject to those cuts.

Plus, the Trump administration is going after key projects in Democratic-led cities by freezing federal funding for those projects.

Meanwhile, Democrats are putting health care at the center of their fight, pushing for Congress to extend tax credits for health insurance plans that are covered under the Affordable Care Act. Those enhanced subsidies are set to expire at the end of this year and Republicans say that debate will only happen once Democrats agree to reopen the government.

Let's bring in Pennsylvania Democratic Congresswoman Madeleine Dean.

Congresswoman, thank you so much for being here on a Saturday night, we really do appreciate it. I want to start first by --

REP. MADELEINE DEAN (D-PA): Great to be with you, Jessica.

DEAN: It is good to be with you, too. I want to read you a post from the President. He said -- he was talking about making cuts to federal agencies in the workforce. And he said, "I can't believe the radical left Democrats gave me this unprecedented opportunity."

What do you say to that? Did Democrats give him an opportunity to wreak havoc on the federal government?

M. DEAN: Of course not. But if you don't mind, I want to go back to your earlier reporting. Thank you, thank you, thank you for reporting on the possibility of a ceasefire, return of hostages and humanitarian aid, an end to the suffering in Gaza.

It is something I have been paying attention to for two years now. I really thank you for making sure that was top of our headlines. So I support the President in his 20-point plan. And I pray for peace in the Middle East and the day after.

To your point on the budget and our failure to move forward, why the President would see this as an opportunity in that extraordinarily corrosive and negative way, I do not understand. I had the chance to speak with the Speaker of the House this week, and you'll remember, the budget shutdown was set for September 30th, Tuesday, and what did the Speaker of the House do?

[18:10:16] He told his people, stay home. Republican House members, just stay

home. Stay on vacation. Stay in your districts. Be wherever you want to be -- because we are not going to contribute to making sure we don't shut the government down and then what you saw now, it is shocking to me. The Speaker has said, don't come back next week.

That tells me that the Speaker is observant to a President who really wants this shutdown. And Mr. Vought has made it very clear, he has wanted this shutdown. He has no respect for federal employees and looks forward to firing hundreds and tens of thousands of them. It is a very unserious set of folks and a very unserious and very damaging shutdown for this country.

DEAN: Yes. And you were -- you mentioned this, but you were -- you had this conversation with the House Speaker that was caught on camera. It kind of went viral. It was kind of everywhere.

I am curious if you walked away from that interaction with any different thinking, any takeaways? How did you come away from that?

M. DEAN: Well, Jessica, I have to admit to you, I have had the chance to speak with the Speaker one-on-one in that way, and with courtesy both from him and from me, but with real seriousness and differences of opinion. And while the one piece that was caught on film, I stand by, I feel very urgently about it that the President has behaved and it reveals that he is unwell.

But much more, I spoke to the Speaker about leading about his obligation and opportunity as Speaker of the House to lead about health care and what the ramifications are to his constituents and to mine. And sadly, one of the things that he said to me when I said, many of your constituents will lose the ability to pay for health care, will lose health care altogether. And he said, good, good, able- bodied men not on the rolls.

I find that very sad. It is not true. It is an old chestnut that folks are just simply not working in order to take government benefits. The most important thing I tried to impress upon the Speaker was our obligation as public servants and elected officials to speak the truth. And so I have found that the Speaker has not been speaking the truth when he talks about the silly notion of what is a clean C.R. and what is a dirty C.R., my constituents in his don't care what a C.R. is, they know that we are not functioning, and they know that the Republicans are in charge of The White House, the House and the Senate, and they are failing to lead.

DEAN: And I do want to ask you about that. I had your colleague, Congressman Mike Lawler, a Republican from New York State on in the last hour and his take on all of this is that, this is Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries, the leaders of the Senate and the House, Democratic leaders, that this is about them trying to prove to the base that they will fight back. This is about Democrats trying to fight back and just show the base that they are willing to push back on the Trump administration, that Democrats have voted for C.R.s in the past.

Again, you know, to your point, a Continuing Resolution, that would just extend the current funding. What do you say to that?

M. DEAN: Well, I like Mike. He and I spar and get along and have some fun together, but he is just plain wrong. It is ridiculous.

I am an appropriator. I am on the Appropriations Committee and the Foreign Affairs Committee and he is just plain wrong.

This is not about talking to our base. This is about talking to our constituents and caring about health care. Take a look at the numbers. If you take a look at what happened in the big ugly bill, we spent more than what will be more than $4 trillion in deficit spending to get tax cuts, permanent tax cuts to the very wealthy. Do you know what the price tag is to make permanent the discounts for ACA insurance? Do you know what that number is?

DEAN: I do not know what that number is.

M. DEAN: $350 billion, less than one-tenth of what we dug ourselves into.

So Mr. Lawler knows these numbers. Mr. Lawler understands that this is deficit spending on behalf of the rich. This is taking away health care from working people.

DEAN: All right, Congresswoman Madeleine Dean, again, thanks for being here on a Saturday night. We do appreciate it.

M. DEAN: Thank you.

DEAN: Still ahead, some tense moments in Illinois as protesters face off against federal law enforcement officers. We are tracking new details as the Secretary of Homeland Security plans to send what she calls more special operations to the scene near an ICE facility.

And a little bit later here on the show, we have some breaking news out of Indianapolis, where an NFL quarterback turned sportscaster has been hospitalized, and now arrested at the hospital. We will tell you what we are learning about that. That's next.

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DEAN: A judge has yet to decide on whether to block President Trump from sending National Guard troops into Portland, Oregon. The judge, who was nominated by Trump is slated to decide if the law sides with the President or with Oregon.

That state is seeking a temporary restraining order. Both sides giving starkly different accounts of the protests outside an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement facility there in Portland. The Trump administration is also looking to send federal law enforcement into other states and cities, many led by Democrats, including Chicago.

Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker saying the Trump administration gave him an ultimatum, "Call up your troops or we will." He says, "There is no need for military troops on the ground in the state of Illinois."

We are seeing heated exchanges between protesters and federal agents there in Chicago as people who live there demonstrate against the sudden jump in federal forces. The White House just announcing President Trump has authorized 300 members of the Illinois National Guard to protect federal officers and assets in Chicago.

Let's bring in Rafael Romo, who is following all of this.

Raphael, there has been an escalation over the last few hours, and certainly within the last couple of days. What can you tell us?

RAFAEL ROMO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, absolutely, Jessica. The situation has been growing more and more tense in some parts of Chicago over the last few hours. And in the last couple of hours, law enforcement officers have used teargas to disperse protesters. We are looking at those images there.

We are also getting images showing protesters throwing water bottles and other objects at a vehicle with federal agents. And this morning, Jessica, there was a shooting on Chicago's Southwest Side. The Department of Homeland Security announced there was a shooting Saturday morning in that part of the city.

In a statement, a top DHS official said that law enforcement officers were rammed by vehicles and boxed in by ten cars. Unable to move their vehicles, agents exited the car and they saw that one of the drivers had a semiautomatic weapon, which prompted the agents to fire what officials are calling defensive shots at the armed U.S. citizen.

Tensions boiled over Friday when protesters clashed with federal agents during a protest outside an Immigration and Customs Enforcement Detention Center for migrants just outside of Chicago, where the ICE facility is located, while Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Border Patrol Commander Greg Bovino were seen on the ICE facility's roof, at least 18 people were arrested, Jessica at the site where protesters have gathered for several weeks in a row to protest the Trump administration crackdown on immigration.

At a Democratic Party fundraiser here in Atlanta, Friday night, Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker denounced ICE actions in his state over the last few weeks.

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GOV. J.B. PRITZKER (D-IL): In the past few weeks in Chicago, ICE has detained multiple U.S. citizens because they were Black or Brown. They shot gas pellets into the car of a journalist who had done nothing except drive past an ICE facility to observe what was going on.

They raided an apartment complex in the middle of the night and perp walked a group of young children out of the building with their hands zip tied behind them, separating them from their parents.

(END VIDEO CLIP) ROMO: And finally, Jessica, according to DHS, more than 1,000

undocumented immigrants have been arrested since early September as part of what officials call Operation Midway Blitz.

Now back to you.

DEAN: Rafael Romo with the latest, thanks so much.

And we are joined now by former acting ICE Director during the Obama administration, John Sandweg. He also served as Acting General Counsel of DHS.

John, thanks for being here. We appreciate it.

JOHN SANDWEG, FORMER ACTING DIRECTOR, US IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT: Yes.

DEAN: I want to start there in Chicago where we are seeing these confrontations. The White House says Trump has now authorized National Guard troops to respond. How would you be approaching this situation if you were directing ICE today?

SANDWEG: Yes, something that concerns me a bit here, the number one rule in these situations is do no harm, right? Don't make matters worse. Unfortunately, we've seen with these deployments of the National Guard, they themselves become the target of the protests, right? That escalates the situation.

Preferably we'd be working in collaboration with our state and local partners, making sure that there are zones where protesters can express their rights and their exercise of free speech rights, but without getting in the way of the ICE officers and ensure, of course, that ICE officers are able to do their job safely.

Unfortunately, we are seeing, I think, you know, there are certainly protesters here who I think want to cause mischief, but also we are seeing increasingly aggressive tactics by the administration, which unfortunately, I do think exacerbates the situation.

DEAN: Yes, and in one instance this week, at that point, we saw agents swarm a Chicago apartment building, pulling adults and children from their apartments. They were screaming, crying. A helicopter was flying over that building. It was very, very intense.

Is that -- are those usual tactics?

SANDWEG: Jessica, I have never seen an operation like that. Now, we don't know the details yet. Right? We don't know whether or not they had a criminal search warrant and they are going to execute against some dangerous targets, but there are a couple of things that struck me as very unusual about that.

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The first is that that was a U.S. Border Patrol operation and one of the things that has really been at the center of this Trump operations has been the Border Patrol. That itself is unusual. A lot of these more aggressive tactics we are seeing are not actually ICE agents, but Border Patrol agents pulled up off the border now deployed to Downtown Chicago.

The challenge there, of course, is this is not the normal environment in which they operate or which they're trained. They are trained to operate in the southwest border, primarily in rural environments where you don't have those same kind of issues related to the Fourth Amendment. And, you know, identifying reasonable suspicion when you're looking at a group of smugglers coming through the desert in the middle of the night is easy, doing it in Chicago is much more difficult.

But what we've also seen is that they use incredibly aggressive tactics. I have a lot of questions about that apartment building operation. I haven't seen any confirmation that there was a search warrant, but if that was a routine immigration stop, where they just think there are a lot of immigrants in that building, boy, that is an incredibly aggressive and an incredibly unusual operation, something I haven't seen before.

DEAN: Yes, and additionally, there have been several instances where we've seen ICE agents in plain clothes, not necessarily identifying themselves. And a CNN investigation found a significant rise in instances of ICE impersonators this year, more than a dozen cases of ICE impersonators.

What does that do to an already really fraught situation?

SANDWEG: Well, it doesn't help matters, of course. I mean, ideally, we are doing work that you can be proud of and where you don't need to -- you don't feel any pressure to hide your face. I don't blame the men and women at ICE, Jessica. I think they are in a very difficult position, they have a very difficult job.

In my experience working with them, these are people who signed up to promote public safety in the United States, but they have to execute the administration's policy and that policy is very clear. They want to get, you know, execute a mass deportation. The challenge there, of course, Jessica, is when you're doing a mass deportation in a place like Chicago, you're arresting people who have lived in this country for a long time, people who have U.S. citizen children, U.S. citizen spouses. who go to church with other members of the community and you can understand why we are seeing these protests, because that is -- you know, people are very frustrated by what is going on and what they're seeing in the members of their community.

Look, as it relates to the ICE officers, I have sympathy, though. They have been the target. We've seen this escalation in assaults. We've seen what happened in Dallas. I understand why they want to anonymize themselves. But at the same time, if you're not wearing -- if you're not clearly identifying yourself as an agent, that is dangerous both for the agents themselves, but also the public in general.

DEAN: And look, I think this underscores everything we've been talking about, which is tensions are absolutely high. The temperature continues to get turned up. What can be done to de-escalate it at this point?

SANDWEG: What I would like to see -- you know, yesterday there was a protest, Jessica, at the Broadview facility. I've been to that Broadview facility. It is actually its --

DEAN: That's in Chicago.

SANDWEG: It is actually a very narrow street in Chicago, yes, excuse me. The field -- that's where the field office is, the headquarters of ICE in Chicago and that's where a lot of these protests have been happening. But it is on a very narrow street in an industrial area outside of O'Hare Airport. There is not a lot of space there for protesters and for ICE to do their job.

But what struck me yesterday was there were relatively peaceful protests. There were a handful of arrests. I think you can always expect that. But there were a lot of people there, you know, exercising their free speech rights in a way that was peaceful and orderly. But the difference there was there was a very large state police presence, and I think that is the key, Jessica, is getting more state and local involvement instead of treating the state and locals as our enemy, or vilifying and pointing fingers at each other, work collaboratively with them, especially as it relates to the protests, because they are viewed as a neutral force.

I worry though that when we start deploying armed National Guardsmen or we keep deploying these Border Patrol Tactical Units that look very much like military units, they really only escalates things, makes matters worse, as opposed to what we saw yesterday with the State Police, where it was really a much more peaceful protest.

DEAN: John Sandweg, great to have some context around this. Thank you very much.

SANDWEG: Thanks, Jessica.

DEAN: Still ahead, some lawmakers now saying they are going to go without their paychecks as the government shutdown drags on for fourth day now. More on the strategy we are seeing from both parties and how this might end, next.

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DEAN: Right now, there's no end in sight for the government shutdown. Lawmakers have left Washington for the weekend. Speaker Mike Johnson says the House will stay out of session next week, putting pressure on the Senate to pass a short-term funding bill. But tonight, both sides are digging in their heels.

We're joined now by New York Times congressional correspondent, Annie Karni.

Annie, thanks for being here on a Saturday night. We appreciate it. I just want to get a sense first, your sense of where things stand tonight.

ANNIE KARNI, CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT, NEW YORK TIMES: Things stand exactly where they stood all week ...

DEAN: Yes.

KARNI: ... and there is just no progress. One thing we've learned, I think, this week, is that there does not seem to be a lot of appetite from anyone to land this plane anytime soon. Thune basically shrugged at reporters asking about the status of negotiations, which are non- existent. Johnson sent the House -- told them to stay home for another week. Trump is sending out memes about his budget director being the grim reaper. It just doesn't seem like anyone is -- no one's, like, negotiating. There aren't senators sitting in a room with a bipartisan group, like, hashing it out -- anything right now.

DEAN: Right.

KARNI: It is at a standstill.

DEAN: Yes. I mean, I think that's what's important for people who are watching to understand, is that, like, that's -- that's not happening right now. And there -- there's a long road between where we are now in getting a deal, and -- and they have to talk to each other. And at this point, it doesn't seem like much talking is being done.

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KARNI: Yes. And the reason that is, is because both sides right now seem pretty dug in, seem to think they're winning the blame game. The polls seem to be with Democrats. Most people are with Democrats and think that Republicans should extend the ACA tax credits, which is their ask. But Republicans seem pretty confident that they're winning the messaging game.

So, until someone feels like they're losing and have to move off their position, no one has any incentive to negotiate. So, that's where we are right now.

I was doing a little reporting on this yesterday. And people who have worked through shutdowns past said that the problem is that their -- that lawmakers themselves need to feel some pain before they move, and that will come from pressure from voters. And that hasn't happened yet. The first paycheck that will be missed by the troops is the 15th of October, so we have a lot of days before the pain will start to translate into action, is what I'm thinking ahead.

DEAN: Yes. Yes, and you have to think, too, that if this, at least right now, both Republicans and Democrats are playing right into their bases, who are, you know, cheering them on in a way, I guess -- you know, their reasoning behind what's going on.

KARNI: That's right. The only ...

DEAN: And there's not a lot of overlap. Yes. KARNI: Yes. The only pressure -- the only pressure at work right now

is, you know, from the progressive base on Chuck Schumer not to give his votes away for nothing. That's pressure that's real, and he's responding to.

And the pressure -- you know, Donald Trump seems to think it's kind of funny right now. He -- like he and -- and he oversaw the longest shut down in history in his first term. He doesn't seem to think he paid any political price for it in the long-term. So, it doesn't -- from what we're seeing from the White House, it doesn't seem like he's in a huge rush or very concerned about any backlash that he's going to suffer.

DEAN: And ...

KARNI: So that's why we're at a standstill.

DEAN: Yes, and to your point about the memes that the President's sending out about Russ Vought being the grim reaper, and the threats of these mass layoffs within the federal government beyond what's already been done by DOGE -- how serious of a threat do you think that is at this point? And -- and how are people in -- in -- in Washington metabolizing that?

KARNI: I mean, I think there's a lot of concern and fear. The messaging from the White House is these cuts -- that firings have to happen, and that's just not what has ever happened in the past. Like, workers get furloughed, not fired. But we'll see -- we'll see how serious they are and how deep those layoffs are that they are bragging about being able to -- to carry out now. I don't know yet.

We've -- the only thing I've heard from Republicans on the Hill is some of them have been expressing concern just mostly about the troops. They want to -- they've raised the question of, is there a way to pass a bill to get the troops paid. That's happened in the past, too, during shutdowns. So, that's the only real concern that I've heard from Republicans about paying the troops. I haven't heard much agita about the federal workers yet.

DEAN: Right. We shall see how long this will go.

Annie Karni, great to see you, thanks for being here.

KARNI: Thank you.

DEAN: Still to come, a former NFL quarterback, now sportscaster, about to work tomorrow's Colts game, is arrested at an Indianapolis hospital. What we're learning, that's next. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: We learned just moments ago, former NFL quarterback and current Fox Sports analyst, Mark Sanchez has been arrested while in the hospital after he was stabbed in downtown Indianapolis early this morning. Indianapolis Metropolitan Police releasing a statement saying they arrested the 38-year-old Sanchez for battery with injury, unlawful entry of a motor vehicle, and public intoxication. For now, he remains at the hospital in stable condition. He has not been booked into jail.

I want to bring in CNN's Don Riddell, who is following this for us.

Don, Sanchez was supposed to work tomorrow's Colts game. This is kind of a crazy story. What have you learned?

DON RIDDELL, CNN ANCHOR & CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it's an extraordinary story, Jessica. Dramatic developments within the last hour regarding the former Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez. As you say, arrested by the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department following an incident in the early hours of Saturday morning, which left him hospitalized.

Here's what we know.

He was in Indy as part of the Fox Sports broadcast team covering Sunday's NFL game between the Colts and the Las Vegas Raiders. An initial police statement said that two unnamed adult males had been involved in a disturbance at around 12:30 A.M. One suffered lacerations, and the other sustained injuries consistent with stab wounds. The statement added that the man with the stab wounds remained hospitalized in stable condition.

A Fox Sports statement said that Sanchez was stable and recovering in hospital.

Now, the police said it was an isolated incident between two men. They did not consider it to have been a random act of violence. They said they had been reviewing video evidence, adding that the case would be presented to the prosecutor's office for a charging decision.

Then, several hours later, they issued an updated statement saying that Sanchez had now been arrested for battery with injury, unlawful entry of a motor vehicle, and public intoxication, all of which are misdemeanors, according to IMPD.

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No further individuals are being sought.

As of this moment, we understand that Sanchez is still in the hospital and has not been booked into the adult detention center. The police statement makes clear that an arrest is merely an accusation, and Sanchez should be considered innocent until and unless proven guilty in a court of law.

After playing for the University of Southern California, Sanchez played in the NFL for 10 years, most notably as the Jets quarterback. He retired from the game in 2018 and began working as a TV game analyst in 2021. Fox Sports say that they are grateful to the medical team for their exceptional care and support. They have asked that everyone respect his and his family's privacy during this time. CNN is working to confirm whether Sanchez has legal representation,

and we do not know at this point if he is going to be involved in the coverage of that game on Sunday. Back to you.

DEAN: Okay. A lot of pieces here. Don Riddell, thank you for that. We really appreciate it.

No matter how this government shutdown ends, we are already seeing how Americans view the funding battle, and it is not good. Up next, Harry Enten joins us to run the numbers on that. Stay with us. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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DEAN: Democrats and Republicans are still pointing the finger at each other as this government shutdown continues. But who do Americans say is responsible? CNN's Chief Data Analyst Harry Enten runs those numbers.

Harry.

HARRY ENTEN, CNN CHIEF DATA ANALYST: Hey, Jessica, happy Saturday to you.

Look, we're only in the infancy of this government shutdown, but some of the polling data that we are getting in, I think, might be a little bit surprising to folks in terms of who the American people are blaming for the government shutdown.

Of course, I think there are a lot of folks out there who think that the Democrats are in a weak position, but that may actually work to their advantage in terms of who the American people are blaming for the shutdown.

Blame more for the 2025 shutdown, we've got a sweep across the board, and you see a lot of Republican red. And normally, when you see Republicans ahead, that's a good thing for them. But when it comes to the blame game, it's a bad thing. You see this by a seven-point margin, Republicans are more to blame, according to a recent New York Times/Siena poll.

How about Marist? We see Republicans more to blame by a 12-point margin.

And then, the biggest margin of them all -- look at this. According to a recent Washington Post poll -- get this -- Americans are blaming Republicans for the shutdown over Democrats by a 17-point margin. My goodness gracious.

On average, we're talking about a 12-point margin in which Americans are blaming Republicans more than Democrats for the government shutdown -- a clear plurality blaming Republicans more than Democrats.

Now, I want to put that into some historical perspective for you -- some perspective, at least, when looking through the history guide, the history eyes, the eyes of history.

Blame more at the start of shutdowns -- what you may notice is that in every single government shutdown in which we have polling over the last 30 years, Republicans have been more to blame than Democrats, according to the American public.

In 1995-'96, it was by a 16-point margin at the start of that shutdown.

How about in 2013? By a 10-point margin.

How about in 2018-'19? By a 14 margin.

This 12-point margin fits quite nicely with that. It matches what we've seen historically.

That is that the American people are more likely to blame the Republicans than the Democrats by a double-digit margin -- right below 16 -- 16 at their height, down to 10-12, fitting right into that historical average.

Of course, I think one of the key questions going forward is we're just at the start of this shutdown, right? I think a lot of Republicans would look at this polling data and say, hey, you know what? We're at the start of a shutdown, we're going to make our argument, and that people are actually going to blame the Democrats.

But historically speaking, I'm not sure that's necessarily going to work.

Why did shutdown blame hold? Essentially, was the party that was blamed at the start of the shutdown also the party that the American people blamed by the end of it? And the answer is yes.

In 1995-'96, it was GOP at the start, then GOP at the end. Then in 2013, it was GOP at the start, GOP at the end. And in 2018-'19, it was GOP at the start, GOP at the end.

The bottom line is this -- I think there are a lot of folks out there who may be counting the Democrats out in this shutdown battle, but according to the polling data, what we see is that more folks are blaming the Republicans than the Democrats at this point.

And history tells us the party that is blamed at the start of a shutdown is the party that's blamed at the end of a shutdown.

Of course, we'll wait and see whether or not Republicans can break history, because you see a lot of Republican red on here and that at this particular point is not a good sign, at least in terms of the government shutdown blame game.

Back to you, Jessica.

DEAN: All right, Harry, thank you so much.

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TONY SHALHOUB, CNN HOST, "TONY SHALHOUB BREAKING BREAD": Look at that beautiful thing.

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And then in the curry, there's also a bit of cayenne, so there's -- there's definitely layers of heat.

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DEAN: Be sure to tune in, the new CNN Original Series "Tony Shalhoub Breaking Bread" premieres tomorrow night at 9 P.M. Eastern and Pacific, only here on CNN. It's a very fun show.

Still ahead tonight, we're going to talk to a Chicago alderperson after video captures her getting handcuffed by immigration officials in a Chicago hospital. What federal officials are saying, and why she thinks they crossed the line.

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