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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN HOST: And you can vote at cnn.com/heroes to help decide who will be the next CNN hero of the year. Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. The "CNN Newsroom" continues with Jessica Dean right now.

JESSICA DEAN, CNN HOST: You're in the "CNN Newsroom." Hi, everyone. I'm Jessica Dean here in New York. It is now day 33 of the government shutdown. Flights are delayed across the country. Millions of people, including children, are without food benefits. More than one million federal employees are going without pay, some while continuing to work.

And this morning, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent was unclear on whether President Trump would comply with two judges' rulings (TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES) those benefits available.

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SCOTT BESSENT, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY: There's -- there's a process that has to be followed. So, we got to figure out what the process is. President Trump wants to make sure that people get their food benefits.

UNKNOWN (voice-over): So, it could -- it could be done by Wednesday?

BESSENT: Could be.

UNKNOWN (voice-over): Okay.

BESSENT: Could be. And five Democratic senators could cross the aisle and open the government by Wednesday.

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DEAN: We are also just two days away now from Election Day in America with key races in New York City, Virginia, and New Jersey. Plus, on the ballot in California, proposition that could give Democrats more seats in the House. That's a direct response to what happened in Texas after it redrew its congressional districts to give Republicans more seats in the House. What this could mean for midterm elections now a year away, we're going to talk a little bit more about that. Also, tonight, President Trump is due to head back to the White House after celebrating the Halloween weekend in Florida and golfing -- by golfing and hosting a party with a Great Gatsby theme.

Let's bring in CNN's Julia Benbrook, who is there in Florida. Julia, the president went on with his weekend. We are just days away now from the longest government shutdown in the country's history. I think a lot of Americans are wondering, are there any negotiations happening, what's going on, and what's the potential that this ends soon?

JULIA BENBROOK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, day 33 of this government shutdown and the longest on record is 35 days. That was during Trump's first term at the end of 2018 going into 2019.

So, we have been hearing that some rank-and-file members have been having conversations behind the scenes. But at the top level, the arguments remain the same here. Republicans continue to push for essentially an extension of current funding levels on a short-term basis. And Democrats, they are focusing in on health care. They want to address an extension of enhanced Obamacare subsidies set to expire at the end of the year right now.

And, in fact, on his way here to Florida this weekend, Trump was pressed by reporters, will you sit down with Democrats and talk about health care? He did say yes, but said, only after they vote to reopen the government. And that, of course, is a non-starter as Democrats want to discuss this now while their votes are needed to get this across the finish line.

DEAN: Trump is also urging Senate Republicans in the interim to kill the filibuster. You have to get to 60 votes in the Senate. That is -- that is to encourage bipartisan working together and legislation so they can pass this bill with a simple majority. Now, the leader of the Senate and many other Senate Republicans have said they're not doing that. But he's still pushing for it.

BENBROOK: He sees this as a possible solution. He's calling on congressional Republicans to unilaterally in the government shutdown by voting to eliminate the filibuster.

That 60-vote threshold, though, is important to members of both parties as they see it as a safeguard from the party that's in power. Several top Republican leaders have said that, you know, this is something that they need when Democrats are in the majority. And the proponents of the filibuster also argue that this promotes more compromise in the chamber.

Trump, though, he says that Democrats are going to get rid of this, anyway. That's the claim that he's making, and that Republicans should just go ahead and do it now. That is an argument that was repeated by White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt when she spoke on Fox News earlier today. Take a listen.

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KAROLINE LEAVITT, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: These are radical left lunatics in charge of the Democrat Party today. And they will nuke the filibuster. They want to make Washington, D.C. and Puerto Rico states. They want to pack the Supreme Court. They don't care about our sacred institutions in our country. And so, Republicans need to play tough and they need to play smart, and that's what President Trump thinks.

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BENBROOK: As you pointed out, Jessica, the top Republican in the Senate, John Thune, earlier in the shutdown, he said that they're not going to change Senate rules in order to bring this lapse in funding to an end.

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And he, though -- as we've seen this pressure in recent days, a spokesperson for Thune said that his support of the filibuster and this process is unchanged. Several other GOP lawmakers have repeated that sentiment as well.

So, does not seem like this is something that's at risk here. They would need a majority of votes in order to do this. And assuming that all Democrats would oppose it, they would need a few Republican votes, and this just does not seem likely, yeah.

DEAN: It certainly does not. All right, Julia Benbrook from Florida, thank you so much. Also happening now, major airports all across the country are coping with flight delays during this government shutdown. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy says those delays are going to get worse in the weeks ahead of Thanksgiving.

CNN's Rafael Romo is joining us now. Rafael, what can we expect as we head into this very busy, oftentimes the busiest, travel season of the year?

RAFAEL ROMO, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, well, if today's delays and ground stops are any indication, it can turn chaotic, Jessica, especially if the government stays shut down.

Air traffic controllers have gone more than a month without a full paycheck, and they missed their whole paycheck at the end of last week, a situation that is apparently causing staffing shortages and even ground stops at some airports. Staffing shortages have caused ground stop in at least two airports over the weekend, including Nashville and Austin-Bergstrom International Airport. There were also widespread delays at airports like Newark and San Francisco.

Earlier today, staffing shortages caused an average delay of more than three and half hours at Newark Liberty International Airport, a delay of a little more than an hour at San Francisco International, and a delay of 38 minutes at Austin-Bergstrom International.

U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy announced Saturday that more than 64% of Friday's flight delays were due to staffing in air traffic control towers, adding that this percentage is a record for this shutdown. In an interview with ABC earlier today, Duffy reiterated that when it comes to air travel, safety comes first and the FAA may be forced to take drastic action.

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SEAN DUFFY, U.S. SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION: We will delay, we will cancel, uh, any kind of flight across the national airspace to make sure people are safe. But there is a level of risk that gets injected into the system when we have a controller that's doing two jobs instead of one. We manage that, we look out for it, and safety is the priority.

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ROMO: And also, earlier today, Jessica, Duffy told CBS that the -- even before the shutdown, the FAA was already down between 2,000 and 3,000 controllers. Although the number of trainees at the Academy has increased by 20% so far this year, the FAA currently has about 14,000 air traffic controllers on staff.

In September, before the government shutdown, the Department of Transportation said it met its hiring goals for the year by recruiting more than 2,000 people to combat the shortage, but the current crisis may force trainees to reconsider career choices and pursue jobs with more financial stability. Jessica?

DEAN: All right. Rafael Romo with the latest, thanks for that. We are joined now by Republican Representative Carlos Gimenez from Florida. He serves on the House Armed Services and Homeland Security committees. Congressman, thank you for being here with us on this Sunday night. We really appreciate it.

I know that Politico has reported you're one of 10 House Republicans putting forth new legislation that would extend these Obamacare subsidies that, of course, just to remind everybody, are at the heart of this shutdown fight. Do you have support for this? What conversations are you having around that legislation?

REP. CARLOS GIMENEZ (R-FL): Well, look, I know that there are a number of Republicans that would want to have that happen and want to vote on the House floor if and when we reopen the government. So, please, I'm asking the Democrats, reopen the government.

Look, the current C.R. that we have, Continuing Resolution, it expires on the 21st of November. And so, the Democrats have another bite at this apple. So, for them to continue to have this government shutdown for no reason at all while they say, well, this are our only -- this is the only time that we can get our say, that's not true. Ah, there is -- this thing ends on the 21st of November. We're going to need their votes again. Open the government, and then we can talk about extending these Obamacare subsidies.

Now, look, those Obamacare subsidies can't go on forever. They were put in place by the Democrats with an expiration date put in by the Democrats because they knew that they could not be sustained. They were done for, uh, the COVID area -- COVID era, and we knew that people were suffering and that's why those subsidies were put in place. But it was the Democrats themselves that put the expiration date in.

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And so, now, they're crying and say, oh my God, you know, we -- we can't have this happen. Well, you shouldn't have put the expiration date to begin with. And the C.R., again, expires on the 21st of November. Open up the government. We can talk about it. You can have your -- you can have another bite at this apple if nothing happens between now and the 21st.

DEAN: Yeah. And I know, when we've talked previously, it's -- it's -- it's about people just not going off this cliff because as of yesterday, if you're -- if you get these subsidies and you are part of the exchange and you logged on for your open enrollment to enroll for next year, you could have seen anything from a 20 to 30 percent increase and sometimes, it doubled. It runs -- it runs the gamut.

But -- but you're talking about, too, just going from, you know, 100% of all the subsidy to 0% is quite -- quite a cliff to go off. But now --

GIMENEZ: Yeah.

DEAN: -- that -- now that this -- this has happened and people are seeing it, do you think that the fact we've now gone past November 1, do you think that has any impact on when this shutdown might end?

GIMENEZ: I would hope that the Democrats come to their senses, open the government. It makes no sense. Look, I voted 13 times for a C.R. to extend government funding. I -- I hated to see a government shutdown. And I did that during the Biden era, during the Biden years, where they had passed some, for me, really outrageous legislation. But I didn't use that as well. Hey, I can -- I can shut down this government. And now, I can leverage that. We didn't do it. I didn't do -- we didn't do it 13 times. All right?

And so, now, the Democrats are shutting down the government. Actually, it's a Biden era budget that we're extending and saying, oh no, what we -- this is the hill we're going to die on. Well, first of all, you know, you've got another bite at this apple because this thing is only to the 21st. You have Republicans that are willing to talk about this, that are on both sides, both in the House and in the Senate. And I'm pretty sure that the president may be open to this.

And so, look, open the government. Uh, we have three weeks to figure it out. And then if something doesn't happen on the 21st, you can shut down the government again.

But hey, we need to pay our troops, we need to pay TSA agents, we need to pay, you know, Customs and Border Protection, we need to pay our folks, and we also need to stop the suffering of millions of Americans that are looking at their SNAP benefits going away, and -- and yes, at this -- at this increase in -- in the Obamacare -- in the Obamacare as a whole, and then the Obamacare subsidy is going away.

And so, they need to open up the government. That's all -- that's all I got to say. Open up the government, please. Uh, it's the right thing to do.

DEAN: And if you were to go forward with your legislation, my understanding is it would extend these subsidies for a year. What -- what happens after that? Do Republicans need to bring their own health care plan to this conversation?

GIMENEZ: Well, we need to look at Obamacare as a whole. I mean, I'm -- I'm getting -- my constituents are telling me that it's not just the subsidies that are going away, it's that the rates are shooting up astronomically. So, what's causing this?

We need to bring health care under control. And I'm not just talking about Obamacare, I'm talking about everything. We need to bring health care under control. It's running amok. It is draining our coffers. It's something which is unsustainable, and we need to get serious about it. And so, yeah, it gives us a year to work it out.

And then, you know, look, like I said, these subsidies can't last forever. They were meant to go as an emergency measure during COVID. COVID is over. So, instead of having a cliff, maybe we just should have, you know, a nice, smooth glide path to a landing. That's what I'd like to see. But at least give us a year to take a look at the whole thing as a whole and see where we can find some savings and -- and, you know, and lower the cost of this health insurance for these 22 million Americans.

DEAN: Yeah. I do want to ask you about another topic. Overnight, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said the U.S. Military struck another boat in the Caribbean, allegedly carrying drugs that killed three people. Some military analysts I've spoken with said instead of -- of killing everyone, that these boats should be intercepted, these people could potentially have useful intel. Why -- why not do that? What do you think about that?

GIMENEZ: Well, I think -- look, when you can intercept, you could. But -- but you're talking about parts of the Pacific Ocean and then the Caribbean. These are really big areas. And so, they may not be any -- any -- any assets in the area to intercept them.

But, look, these are narco-terrorists. Uh, these cartels have killed well over half a million Americans in last five years. Uh, I view them, uh, just as bad as al-Qaeda. And so, for me, you know, imagine if that was a boat -- boatload full of al-Qaeda, you know, terrorists with bombs and bullets, etcetera in those boats, would anybody have a problem with us thinking that? Well, these folks are carrying poison -- poison that have killed far more Americans than al-Qaeda ever did.

And so, you know, I'm fine with what the America -- what, uh, the president, uh, is doing.

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Can they interdict some and get some greater intelligence? Sure, when they have the assets in the area. But I trust our military is going to do what's the most effective and -- and carry out the most effective plan against these narco-terrorists. DEAN: And you're comfortable with -- with the legality around this and what the administration has shared with you as a member of Congress?

GIMENEZ: Yeah. Yeah, I am. Look, actually, you know, about four years ago, I asked Christopher Wray when he was in front of my subcommittee. I said, hey, why aren't we labeling these folks terrorists? They're killing many more Americans than al-Qaeda ever did. And he said, well, maybe -- you know, he hummed -- hummed and all that.

But -- but, you know, right across the border in Mexico, those cartels, you know, were lacing all these drugs with fentanyl and -- and killing 300 Americans a day. A day. All right? And so, people say, well, you know, it's not a bomb, it's not a bullet. You're still dead. And you're still killing Americans.

And the number one job, the number one job of any president or government is a protection of its citizens. And for far too long, we've been woefully inadequate in protecting our people and our -- and our citizens and residents from those narco-terrorists that have been killing us for years. And I'm glad that the president is taking this decisive action.

DEAN: All right. Congressman Carlos Gimenez, thanks for your time. We appreciate it.

GIMENEZ: Thank you.

DEAN: Still ahead, it is down to the wire as millions of Americans prepare to vote in key races this week, the first election of President Trump's second term. And we'll take you to New York City, where the race for mayor is being framed as a major moment for the Democratic Party. Plus, a case before the Supreme Court this week could determine the future of the president's tariffs, one of the cornerstones of his time in office so far. We'll have a preview of the case. That's next in the "CNN Newsroom."

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DEAN: Across New York City, just in the last few minutes, polls have closed for in-person early voting. New Yorkers who want to help choose the city's next mayor will now have to wait until Election Day, Tuesday, to cast their ballots. The Board of Elections says more than a half a million New Yorkers have voted so far. CNN spoke with a few of them earlier.

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ANDY DUONG, CUOMO VOTER: I'm most concerned about getting the right leaders in place. So, in particular, the mayor, I already (INAUDIBLE) to pass my vote.

UNKNOWN (voice-over): Can you tell me who you're voting for? DUONG: I'm voting for Cuomo.

UNKNOWN (voice-over): Why?

DUONG: I think he's just a proven juggernaut in terms (INAUDIBLE) gets things done. He's not the perfect candidate but, you know, my goal isn't to find Jesus or anything to run for office, it's to find somebody who gets the job done. He does it for me.

JOHN ORIORDAN, MAMDANI VOTER: The rhetoric towards Mamdani was being like -- just being like a lot of racism and all that. It is just really disgusting, especially from the other two candidates, like the big candidates, Cuomo. And yeah, it's just really makes it even like -- makes me want to root for Mamdani even more.

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DEAN: Polls show Democratic socialist and Democratic nominee Zohran Mamdani holding a solid lead against his biggest rival, former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who's running as an independent, in what could be a history-making race.

Gloria Pazmino was out in the city today. She did speak with Mamdani. She joins us now. Gloria, we are in the closing days of what has been a fascinating race, both in the primary and now in the general election here in New York City. What did you find when you were out today?

GLORIA PAZMINO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, Jessica, you know, we've been speaking to so many voters in the last several months covering this race and the same issues keep coming up over and over: Affordability, public safety, how New York City responds to potential threats from the Trump administration. Those are the top issues that we hear about over and over when we talk to New Yorkers, to voters here in New York City.

There is so much attention on this race for mayor, not just here at home, but really across the country. And the question is, what will this election mean on the national level? What will it mean for the Democratic Party at the national level and how they respond to Trump? That's certainly been a big part of the conversation throughout this race.

New Yorkers I've spoken to say that they are worried about how expensive the cost of living is, but they're also concerned with public safety, uh, and concerned with, like I said, threats from the Trump administration.

I caught up with Zohran Mamdani earlier today. It is the last day of early voting here in New York City. And all of the candidates, the Republican Curtis Sliwa, Andrew Cuomo, the independent, and the Democratic mayoral nominee, Zohran Mamdani, all out there campaigning throughout the day today. He stopped by the New York City marathon to cheer on runners and to talk to his supporters. Here's a bit of what he told me.

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PAZMINO: Hakeem Jeffries was asked this morning if you're the future of the Democratic Party. He said no.

ZOHRAN MAMDANI, NEW YORK CITY MAYORAL CANDIDATE: Good to know.

PAZMINO: But do you have a response?

MAMDANI: No, I'm focused on the next two days.

PAZMINO: Do you think you're the future of the Democratic Party?

MAMDANI: I don't dare predict the future. That's why I'm out here canvassing, to deal with my anxiety, to get through the tape of the future of 9 p.m. on Tuesday.

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PAZMINO: Now, Jessica, that conversation about whether or not he's the future of the Democratic Party is going to be, uh, what we're going to be talking about, uh, likely on Wednesday morning, depending on what the outcome of this election is.

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And that's because after Zohran Mamdani, you know, shocked the political establishment during the June primary by beating former governor, Andrew Cuomo, the question was whether or not Democrats were going to have to attack further to the left and run more in the style of Zohran Mamdani in order to be able to win back seats and fight the Trump administration.

And I think a similar conversation is going to be unfolding, uh, in the next, you know, few days. Hakeem Jeffries, the House minority leader, asked earlier today by our Jake Tapper if he believed that Zohran Mamdani was the future of the party, and he said, not really. We know how long it took him to endorse Zohran Mamdani. He endorsed him just a few days ago. And you hear the reaction there from Mamdani not really trying to engage with that question.

A lot of tension between those two sides of the party in the background but, as you heard it there, Mamdani focused on just getting to the finish line on Tuesday. Jessica?

DEAN: Yeah, and voters are going to let us know what they think. Gloria Pazmino, thank you so much for that reporting. The Supreme Court will this week hear arguments in two cases challenging President Trump's sweeping tariffs that he announced back in April.

In a Washington Post op-ed, Scott Lincicome writes -- quote -- "The Trump administration argues an adverse decision would devastate the U.S. economy and the president's ability to effectuate trade and foreign policy." He says the White House goal here seems to be pressuring the court into a favorable opinion.

And Scott joins us now. He's the vice president of general economics and trade at the Cato Institute. Scott, thanks so much for being here with us. You call the Trump administration's underlying policy claims about this ridiculous. So, lay out your argument here.

SCOTT LINCICOME, VICE PRESIDENT OF GENERAL ECONOMICS AND TRADE, CATO INSTITUTE: Well, it's ridiculous because you only would get back to a trade policy environment of 2024 if you got rid of these emergency tariffs. And if you look at the economic analysis, the fiscal trajectory of the United States debt and revenue, there's just no evidence that indicates there would be a huge problem if the Supreme Court did its job and ruled on the law.

Uh, the trade agreements and foreign policy arguments are similarly empty. The United States, before these emergency tariffs, had implemented more than a dozen free trade agreements, massive multilateral deals at the World Trade Organizations, more than 500 treaties since this emergency powers laws been in place, and never once had a president invoked emergency tariffs to get this stuff done.

So, what we want and the reason I wrote my piece is we want the court to decide these issues on the law, to look at whether this is a proper use of executive power, whether this is a proper delegation of congressional tariff powers. Those are the issues, not all of these crazy claims of another Great Depression or anything like that.

DEAN: Yeah. And so then, knowing all of that, what do you make about this argument from the administration, the government is bringing in more money from these tariffs?

LINCICOME: Well, they certainly are bringing in some money. Through, uh, September, you're looking at about $90 billion in revenue from these particular emergency tariffs. Now, $90 billion sounds like a lot until you realize that the federal government spends about $7 trillion a year. So, the tariff revenue is really just a drop in the bucket in the short term and in the long term.

Analyses show, for example, that with these tariffs, federal debt will be about 165% of GDP, which is a massive problem in the next 30 years, but it will be 170% without the tariffs. So, again, these are just not game-changing numbers.

And then, finally, the administration knows that there are other laws that it can use to apply tariffs, and if it wants to do that, well, it should use those laws. It shouldn't declare a national emergency and suddenly impose global tariffs almost on a whim, almost overnight.

DEAN: All right. Scott Lincicome, thanks so much. We appreciate it. Coming up, time to Party. Los Angeles isn't wasting any time celebrating back-to-back World Series titles with hundreds of thousands expected to flood the streets right in early tomorrow.

And as we take a break, a live picture now from New Jersey, where Jack Ciattarelli, the Republican nominee for governor there in New Jersey, is rallying voters as we get ever closer to election day on Tuesday. We'll have more on those races coming up.

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DEAN: The city of Los Angeles and Dodgers fans everywhere are still celebrating tonight after one of the most remarkable and memorable Game 7 in World Series history. A night filled with drama saw the game tied in the top of the 11th inning when Dodgers catcher Will Smith hit a home run to break the tie. That was the first extra inning home run ever in a Game 7 -- Game 7 in a World Series history.

The Blue Jays threatened in the bottom of the 11th but did not score. It all ended on a double play. It is very dramatic. The Dodgers won the game in the series, making them the first team to win back-to-back titles in 25 years. So, up next for L.A. and the Dodgers, that would be another parade.

Julia Vargas Jones joins us now from Los Angeles. And Julia, they are not wasting time here. That parade is tomorrow. What do we know?

JULIA VARGAS JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely not. Look, today, Los Angeles is just catching its breath after all of that celebration. People really flooded the streets, Jessica. Sunset Boulevard, in some parts, completely overflowing with people.

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And, of course, tomorrow, we have another parade, you know, about a year after last year's parade. And this will be throughout downtown Los Angeles with the team coming back victorious from Toronto. And what a game that was. Look, I don't usually watch baseball, but I was at the edge of my seat there for a long time during that -- during that last inning there, the 11th inning.

But not just a celebration for those fans of baseball, I think for the city of Los Angeles as well. We just heard in the past couple hours from the mayor, Karen Bass, who said that this is a shot in the arm after a very difficult year for L.A. Take a listen.

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MAYOR KAREN BASS, LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA: Our win last night, making history the first time in 25 years, back-to-back World Series, so go Dodgers!

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I will tell you, this has been a tough year for Los Angeles. But what happened last night in Toronto shows the grit and the spirit of our city. We stand together, we fight together, and we never give up.

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VARGAS JONES: And Jessica, what is she talking about? She's talking about those fires, wildfires that took over Los Angeles at the beginning of the year, the mudslides that followed that, and then the protests all through the summer after those immigration rates here. So, of course, a time for Los Angeles to come together and celebrate tomorrow bright and early throughout downtown Los Angeles.

DEAN: And Julia, Dodgers fans, as you would imagine, flooded the streets last night to celebrate. But I do know some of it got out of hand. What did they see on the streets?

VARGAS JONES: Yes, it did in true Los Angeles fashion, unfortunately, as well. Police did say that they arrested seven people overnight, including one woman who rode her bike to a Los Angeles police horse who, fortunately, was not injured. Then the LAPD briefly closed parts of downtown Los Angeles.

And today, when Mayor Bass spoke, we also heard from the chief of police, Jessica, who said there was -- quote -- "a small number of individuals who participated in vandalism and destruction of property." He said that behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated, especially tomorrow. He's asking all Angelinos to just bring their best foot forward and celebrate safely and responsibly.

DEAN: All right. Julia Vargas Jones from Los Angeles, thanks so much. What we expect tomorrow when a $40 million civil trial over a school shooting continues as the teacher who was shot sues the former assistant principal.

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DEAN: Testimony resumes tomorrow in the trial brought by a Virginia teacher who was shot by a first-grade student. Abby Zwerner filed a $40 million lawsuit against the former assistant principal, who she said ignored multiple warnings before the shooting that the boy had brought a gun to school. Zwerner gave emotional testimony on Thursday. And things are expected to change tomorrow. CNN's Jean Casarez has more now. Jean?

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JEAN CASAREZ, CNN NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Jessica, this civil case has now shifted to the defense. Their case starts on Monday. They will start presenting their witnesses. We do understand several expert witnesses are flying in from out of town to testify.

But all weekend, jurors are having the time to really think about the final witness for the plaintiffs in this civil action, and that would be the surviving victim herself, Abby Zwerner. She took the stand, reliving what had happened to her on that day in January of 2023.

She said that she was teaching her class, it was a normal day, but she heard from the teacher whose classroom was right next to her that several of her students were saying that a little boy in Abby's class had brought a gun to school. She said she kept thinking about that. Was it a real gun? Would it not be a real gun? But the teacher next to her said she would go tell the vice principal, who is actually now the defendant in this case, because, according to the testimony from the plaintiffs, it's the vice principal that would be in charge of a crisis if the school had a crisis. The duty of the teacher is to report. The vice principal needs to act.

Abby said that when she was shot, that she saw black. She thought she was dying. She actually testified she thought she was going to heaven, but then she realized that she was alive. People were trying to stop her bleeding. But she says that now, her life has really changed.

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ABBY ZWERNER, PLAINTIFF AND FORMER TEACHER SHOT BY 6-YEAR-OLD STUDENT: I thought I was dying. Um, I thought I had died. I thought I was either, um, on my way to heaven or in heaven. But then it all got black. And so, I then thought I wasn't going there. And then I -- my next memory is I see two coworkers around me.

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CASAREZ: We don't know how long the defense case will go. And, of course, the pivotal question is, will they put the former vice principal on the stand to testify in her own defense? The plaintiffs are alleging there was gross negligence on her part to not react and get any gun away from a student. But the defense is saying that Abby and the fellow teachers were right there. They should have done something. They were the ones that could have stopped this.

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That answer is for the jury to determine if the defendant is liable and if damages are warranted. Jessica?

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DEAN: All right. Jean, thank you so much. I'll pick that back up this week. A British man has been arrested over the mass stabbing attack on a train in the U.K. where 11 people were hurt, nine of them seriously. Tonight, one person is still fighting for life. British authorities say that incident happened shortly after a train that was bound for London left central England last night. Police quickly detained two suspects but have since released one, leaving a 32-year-old British man facing charges of suspicion of attempted murder. Authorities are still looking for a motive but say there's no evidence the attack was terror-related.

The fallout continues for Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, formerly Prince Andrew of the British royal family. He will lose his last remaining military rank as vice admiral of the Royal Navy at the request of his brother, King Charles. The former prince served in the Royal Navy for 22 years. And last week, the king began the process of stripping his brother of his royal title and honors in addition to evicting him from the royal estate at Windsor. It follows backlash over Andrew's ties to the late convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein. Well, we do it every year despite the negative feelings about it for so many Americans. Next, we are running the numbers on daylight saving time, why is it still a thing and whether there's a chance it could ever go away in the coming years.

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Did you enjoy that extra hour of sleep last night? But did you also notice the sun? If you're here on the East Coast, it's already down and maybe in the rest of the country as well. It is time for that annual debate on whether Daylight Saving Time is good or bad, if it should stay or go.

Here to run the numbers for us on that is CNN's chief data analyst Harry Enten. Hi, Harry.

HARRY ENTEN, CNN CHIEF DATA ANALYST: It is the end of Daylight Saving Time for 2025. But how do Americans feel about changing the clocks twice a year? Well, it turns out we're getting pretty gosh darn sick of it. What are we talking about here?

Well, let's take a look here. End Daylight Saving Time, a majority wanted to stop for the first time ever. What are we looking at? Well, we've got this historical trend back in '57. Get this, 40% of Americans wanted to end Daylight Saving Time. You can see in the 90s, 1990, 1999, an even lower percentage, 21% in 1990, 23% in 1999.

But then look at this. For the first time ever, a majority, 54% of Americans say that we should end Daylight Saving Time. That includes majority of both Democrats and Republicans. And that majority holds. This 54% holds across all age groups as well.

Now, of course, if we're going to end Daylight Saving Time, does that mean that we want to permanently fall back? That is have earlier sunrises or do we essentially want to fall forward, push forward? That is have later sunsets. Well, take a look at the data here. What do we see? What we see is if we stop the current time system, later sunsets be permanent, that wins the day at 56%. Earlier sunrises be permanent, not a bad showing at 42%.

But the clear majority of Americans do, in fact, want us to essentially stay an hour ahead which, of course, is legislation that has been pushed by Marco Rubio. It has been pushed by a number of states. They essentially want permanent, permanent Daylight Saving Time, we no longer want to flip the clock back and forth.

Now, I should note that so-called morning people are more split than this. I'm sort of a morning person. I guess it depends on whether or not I have to appear on air in the morning in which case I wish that that would be a little bit later on in the day. But what we see here is that later sunsets win the day with the majority of Americans saying 56% be permanent if we end this so-called flipping back and forward whether or not we are in the spring or the fall.

Now, here, though, is the key nugget. Why is it that we can't break through? Why can't we break through even though most people want to end Daylight Saving Time and most want those later sunsets to be permanent? Well, it's changing the time of disruption. That is changing the clocks of disruption.

We see 13% of Americans say, it's a major, it's huge, it's the greatest, biggest thing ever disruption. Then you get 28% who say, you know what, it's a disruption, but it's a minor one, I can sort of deal with it. And then what do we see here is 55%. The majority of Americans say, you know what, it's really not that big of a deal. Yeah, I might not like it, but at the end of the day, I'll be able to live on, it will be fine.

Now, for me, personally, I like falling back. I like gaining that extra hour of sleep. But don't ask me my opinions on Daylight Saving Time when, of course, we jump ahead come next March because then, I might be singing a different tune. Jessica?

DEAN: I know. That's always when you have to pay the piper. Harry Enten, thank you so much. You can check out Harry's new show on CNN All Access. It's "The Enten Scale." It unveils what's really going on beyond the numbers like why so many people are using subtitles. Have a look.

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ENTEN: Subtitles used to help you follow along a French movie. But today, less than two in five Americans who use subtitles are using them to follow along with a foreign language film. The rest of them are just reading English and English, for goodness sake. They're using them for friends reruns as if Joey Tribbiani is some sort of a biblical scholar. Sah vah.

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DEAN: Find out the real reason on CNN All Access where you can also stream "CNN Newsroom" right now. You can watch us anywhere you're going. It's CNN All Access, our new streaming capabilities.

Up next, we're going to take you live to New Jersey and Virginia, a pair of states that are days away from electing new governors and potentially giving both parties new insights heading into next year's midterm.

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But first, it was a tragic refuge during Hurricane Katrina and became a defying symbol of resurrection for the people of New Orleans. Two years later, CNN looks back at its long road to restoration and what it means to New Orleanians on the show, "New Orleans: Soul of a City," Sunday at 10 on CNN.

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UNKNOWN: When you talk about football in the south, that's the heart and the heartbeat of that land.

UNKNOWN: We could be enemies on one day, but on Sundays, we all rooting for one team.

UNKNOWN: There -- there's no way to talk about New Orleans without the Saints. The Superdome and the team are really right at the center of the city.

UNKNOWN (voice-over): After Katrina, football became this narrative of renewal.

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DEAN: Be sure to tune in "New Orleans; Soul of a City." "The Stadium" airs tonight at 10 p.m. Eastern Pacific only on CNN. We're back after this break.

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