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Trump Says Russia And Ukraine Agreed To Energy Ceasefire; Pope Leo: Lung Nodule Detected Very Early, Is Well Contained; Democrat Challenger, Troy Jackson Slams Susan Collins' Claims Of Independence; Interview With Rep. Cleo Fields (D-LA). Aired 3-4p ET

Aired October 11, 2026 - 15:00   ET

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN HOST: Hello again, everyone. Thank you so much for joining me this Sunday. I am Fredricka Whitfield.

We've got this breaking news.

President Trump announcing this morning on social media, "Effective immediately, there is an energy ceasefire in the war between Russia and Ukraine. Both parties have agreed. Do not break it."

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy replied on social media that a ceasefire is a good idea, but added, "... we are awaiting clear details of the dialogue between America and Russia." Just yesterday, Trump called for a new president in Ukraine who would agree to end the conflict.

CNN chief global affairs correspondent, Matthew Chance is in Moscow, and he is joining us right now.

Matthew, are we likely to get buy-in from both sides on this limited ceasefire?

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CHIEF GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Fredricka! Look, I mean, I think it is -- I think it is unlikely that either side is going to want to directly contradict or confront President Trump on this issue. I think they know pretty well how volatile he is.

I have spoken -- I have tried to speak to the Kremlin. I am looking at my social media messaging with them now, asking them about this issue. There has been no public announcement and they haven't even read my messages, frankly, so, we will wait to see what comes out tomorrow. But they are not responding at the moment.

You mentioned the Ukrainian response, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the president of Ukraine, has responded basically saying that it is important that a ceasefire becomes a reality, so not actually confirming that a ceasefire has been agreed.

In fact, a Ukrainian official told CNN in Ukraine that the Truth Social post that President Trump made was the first they ever heard of it. So, it seems that once again, President Trump is, I mean, out in front of the other parties when it comes to announcing these deals. There have been ceasefires like this in the past. There were two in 2025, which didn't result in much. There was one earlier this year in I think it was in January this year, which lasted for a couple of days. It may -- it is not clear whether it will be different this time, but I think what is different this time is that Trump -- President Trump has so much more at stake.

He is facing midterms, as you all know over there. He has got really high prices at the pump. Diesel prices -- gasoline prices as well, and he needs to show the American electorate that he is doing everything he can, or at least something to try and alleviate that painful price and cost that they are paying before those elections take place.

I think that may be what is at play here, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And then how much of a blow is the Trump-Putin diesel deal to the Ukrainian war effort?

CHANCE: I think it is quite blow -- that diesel deal remember came just 24 hours ago just before this energy cease fire was announced, very controversial, basically lifting sanctions or energy sanctions on Russia to allow it to legitimately export its diesel products and other energy products from Russia, which would earn it billions of dollars.

Yes, of course, in revenue. The really important thing about it, though, is it basically is a huge blow for Ukraine because Ukraine has been targeting Russia's energy infrastructure as a way of making it feel the pain for its full scale invasion of Ukraine, and it is also a big blow to the Western Alliance for several years now, for the last four or more years. There has been a sort of joint Western effort to try and isolate Russia, to try and punish it for its full scale invasion. This very much puts Washington on the other side of that divide, and so that's a big blow for Western unity -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Okay, Matthew Chance in Moscow. Thanks so much.

All right, let's continue the conversation now. This is Jill Dougherty. She is a CNN contributor and affiliated scholar at Georgetown University. She is also the author of the book "My Russia" about her time as CNN's Moscow Bureau Chief.

Jill, great to see you.

I mean, listen to what Zelenskyy said about Trump's announced deal last week to get diesel fuel from Russia. I mean, listen to how Zelenskyy was elaborating on this being in his view, a gift to Russia.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT: It gives Putin money and he spends money only on this war. Kill us! Kill our children!

I was, this week in one small city. They killed -- they just attacked a building. No military goals! No -- not even something close to this building. Attacked. Killed 22 people. Around 60 have been wounded and five children -- five children -- small children were killed and he has a lot of money, much money for this war.

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WHITFIELD: So that was Zelenskyy this morning, and then here midday, we are hearing of a deal that the President is putting on social media that they have agreed to this energy deal, you know, a ceasefire of sorts.

I mean, how are you putting all of this together?

JILL DOUGHERTY, CNN RUSSIAN AFFAIRS CONTRIBUTOR: You know, it is complex in a way that its unfolded. But I think the message, you know, what is actually happening is very clear. I think that Zelenskyy feels that he has been sold down the river by the Trump administration, and specifically President Trump.

I mean, if you look at some of the things that Zelenskyy has said, you know, he said they're negotiating team was used as a smokescreen and that that's not fair, and that's not how partners should deal with each other.

Essentially, what is happening is, you know, there is no question that energy prices are spiking around the world and the war in Ukraine, Russia's war against Ukraine does play some role, but the bigger role actually is what is happening with the Strait of Hormuz and the Iran War that President Trump launched.

So I think Zelenskyy feels at this point that he is being used as a whipping boy for these prices that are not being caused specifically by what is happening in Ukraine, and this is continuing.

I mean, as we speak in the last 24 hours, the U.S. has upped the ante. They are talking now about stopping intelligence for Ukraine or stopping the procurement for weapons that are provided to Ukraine. So, this is not over, and I think the punishment for Zelenskyy is continuing.

WHITFIELD: And Zelenskyy was quite bold in his interview today, where he even said, you know, everybody knows that the rising fuel prices has a lot more to do with the war in the Middle East. It seems as though he was trying to be both diplomatic and strategic about putting the President of the United States in check, kind of politely, but at the same time, you know, also saying, you know, we don t want to play games and no one should play games.

I mean, Zelenskyy then, you know, underscoring that, you know, people's lives are at stake. You know, children are dying. He very much wants the war over, and then he also kind of replied to the President's comments -- Trump's comments yesterday that, okay, the Ukrainian people, if they want a new leader, they can have an election and let them choose. But he is essentially saying, you know, the President of the United States should not be making that determination. DOUGHERTY: Right. And I think that is what a lot of Ukrainians are feeling right now. I mean, Zelenskyy does have some political problems. But this I think will probably unite a lot of Ukrainians behind him because they are saying they could say, why does the President of the United States get to decide who our president is?

I mean, this is a very difficult - this is probably the worst situation so far for Zelenskyy in this war. Now, the Europeans have his back. But there are certain things the United States provides that are extremely important, and one of them is intelligence. So Zelenskyy really is under the gun and the things that Mr. Trump is saying echo what Vladimir Putin says.

I mean, Vladimir Putin has been saying you know, he should step down. He shouldn't be the president. They should be holding new elections, et cetera. So this -- I do think the situation is quite dire and it is very delicate for Zelenskyy to be, you know, diplomatic and yet stand up for his own country. It's very, very difficult right now.

WHITFIELD: Yes, it looks like he is trying really hard to do that, and then I wonder when you hear the President of the United States now on Truth Social, you know, now talking about this energy ceasefire, to whose advantage is it for that declaration to be made? And we have yet to hear any real affirmation coming from the other two parties that would be involved in that agreement.

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DOUGHERTY: You know, Fred, I would chalk it up to American domestic politics. I mean, it sounds good to say there is an energy ceasefire because it sounds as if Mr. Trump is making progress in getting some type of settlement of this war. But you have to say, I mean, neither side is confirming. In fact, neither side seems to understand where did this come from? Is Mr. Trump simply saying that, and to what purpose?

So again, I think remember Mr. Trump years ago at the beginning said, I will solve this in 24 hours. And so now, it's been a very long time. He hasn't solved it, and he has to begin to show that there is some progress.

But right now, those talks that have been taking place the last time just a couple of days ago in Miami, seem truly dead in the water.

And so to say, yes, there is a ceasefire, you know, maybe that sounds good domestically, but nobody seems to be taking it at all as the truth.

WHITFIELD: Oh, interesting. Now, just over 20 days before midterm elections. Jill Dougherty, great points! Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Good to see you.

All right, straight ahead, concern at the Vatican as Pope Leo prepares for surgery to remove a lung nodule. What we know about the procedure.

And later, the A.I. boom is bringing data centers to communities nationwide. But at what cost? How one suburb is fighting back.

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WHITFIELD: Pope Leo will undergo surgery in the coming days. This morning, the 71 -year-old pontiff told a crowd gathered at St. Peter's Square that he will have an operation to remove a small mass of dense tissue from his lung.

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POPE LEO XIV, BISHOP OF ROME, HEAD OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SOVEREIGN OF THE VATICAN CITY STATE (through translator): Dearest, recently, during some medical examinations, doctors found a localized nodule in my lung. It was detected at a very early stage and is well- contained.

The doctors believe it is advisable to intervene. So, following their advice, I've decided to undergo surgery to remove it. The operation is already scheduled for the next few days.

I thank you for your spiritual support and entrust myself to your prayers.

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WHITFIELD: All right, joining me right now with more perspective on this operation is Dr. Sam Kim, a thoracic surgeon at the Northwestern Medicine Canning Thoracic Institute. Dr. Kim, great to see you.

DR. SAM KIM, THORACIC SURGEON NORTHWESTERN CANNING THORACIC INSTITUTE: Great! Thank you for having me.

WHITFIELD: So during recent checkups, doctors found a well-contained nodule in a very early stage on his lung. What does that mean to you?

KIM: Well, we don t have a lot of information on what the lung nodule is. Lung nodule is a piece of tissue that you typically find on the CT scan or chest x-ray. Majority of these lung nodules are benign. However, about five to 10 percent of the time, these may represent a cancerous process.

The fact that, you know, the Vatican used the term "early stage" and "localized." I have a feeling that they're describing maybe this is an early cancerous process.

WHITFIELD: So what would the surgery entail? I read that a recovery could be a week. What do you expect here?

KIM: Yes, so for this small lung nodule, typically we use minimally- invasive technique to remove these. So for instance we make a very small -- about a centimeter incision, about two or three small holes on the side. Typically, we use a robotic instruments or robotic camera or video assist surgery to perform this operation, and typically remove a fairly small portion of the lung to not only diagnose it, but to cure this kind of a lung nodule for cancerous process.

Prognosis tend to be fairly good for early cancerous process and recovery is very good as well. This is even on patients who are elderly or those with comorbidities.

Typically in United States and especially in our institution, majority, if not all the patients are able to tolerate these minimally-invasive operation using a robotic technique, and they tend to go home probably within first 24 hours after the surgery.

Now for about 80 percent of the time, about 20 percent of the time patient will stay day two or day three, it depends on how fast their lung heals up.

And then the recovery, yes, recovery is pretty good as well. They're able to go home and do daily activity for majority of part. And then pain will probably persist for about a week or two, and then they will slowly wean their pain medications off.

WHITFIELD: Okay. Now, you know, he is not your patient, and as far as we know, you know, publicly, I mean, he is in relatively good health at 71 years old, somebody who plays tennis.

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And I wonder, you know, when you learned of this diagnosis for him and the idea that he would be having surgery this week, is it your feeling that this is very early stage? You mentioned the word, you know, cancer in association with something like this, but do you feel like this is likely caught very early in the stages of things?

KIM: Yes, just deciphering the Vatican-released statement, they mentioned early stage, small and localized. So those are all positive aspects of information we are getting. Typically, you know, for cancer, if you're able to detect early and they are able to treat early, the prognosis is very good in terms of complete cure.

WHITFIELD: Wonderful. All right, Dr. Sam Kim, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

KIM: Thank you. Bye-bye.

WHITFIELD: All right, still to come: Could redistricting reshape the political power of minority voters? How the midterms could alter representation and community priorities for years to come.

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WHITFIELD: All right, one of the closely watched races in the upcoming midterm election is in Maine. Longtime Republican Senator Susan Collins is facing Democratic challenger, Troy Jackson. And like other Republicans, Collins is touting her independence from President Trump. Jackson says that's not what is happening.

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TROY JACKSON (D), MAINE SENATORIAL CANDIDATE: And now, magically, Senator Collins starts voting with Trump 96 percent of the time. Look, I'm sorry. I don t care who the president is. That is not independence, and that's not what political power is supposed to be for.

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WHITFIELD: Last night in Bangor, Maine, Jackson got some help from Senator Bernie Sanders.

Arlette Saenz was there.

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ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Senator Bernie Sanders held his first of three rallies here in Maine as he's trying to push the Democratic candidate, Troy Jackson, across the finish line.

Sanders was here in Maine for the first time since Democrats changed their candidate mid-campaign after the controversies facing Graham Platner, the original Democratic nominee had pushed him out of this race.

Now, Sanders was a strong supporter of Platner, but he had also endorsed Jackson when he was running for governor. And on the trail here in Bangor, Sanders tried to argue that Jackson is needed in the Senate to try to provide a check on President Trump. Take a listen.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT): There are people in Maine who like Susan Collins, that's fine. There are many people in Maine who may have a disagreement with Troy on this or that issue, that's fine.

But if you want to hold Donald Trump and his disastrous policies accountable, the only way we do that is by electing a Democratic Senate, and this election here in Maine could mean all of the difference.

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SAENZ: Sanders' two-day campaign swing through Maine comes as the contest between Democrat, Troy Jackson and Republican, Senator Susan Collins is incredibly close. The most recent polling here in the state showed that there was no clear leader in this contest.

But polling has repeatedly shown that this contest really hinges on disapproval of President Trump and Senator Collins.

Collins has tried to strike an independent brand, but you have repeatedly heard from Jackson and Democrats trying to further link her to the President. There is some recent polling that shows 58 percent of voters believe that Collins has supported President Trump's policies too often. So, that is one of the arguments the Democrats have really tried to make against her in this campaign.

Sanders was here on the trail trying to energize Democratic voters, but, of course, this is a campaign that also will need to attract moderate and Independents, and there's questions about whether Sanders will be able to help Jackson with these types of appearances in doing that.

Arlette Saenz, CNN, Bangor, Maine.

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WHITFIELD: All right, a controversial redistricting map in Louisiana that eliminated a majority Black district has prompted democratic Congressman Cleo Fields, longtime holder of this seat, to not seek re- election in November.

Earlier this year, the Supreme Court struck down Louisiana's congressional map, opening the way for state lawmakers to eliminate the majority Black sixth district, and the change gives Republicans a chance to win an additional seat now in Congress.

I am joined now by Congressman Cleo Fields. Congressman, great to see you.

REP. CLEO FIELDS (D-LA): Good to see you, Fredricka. Thanks for having me.

WHITFIELD: I know this was a very tough and very personal decision for you because you have represented this area for many years, starting in 1993, not consecutively, but Scotlandville in particular, a nearly all-Black community of 10,000, I understand that has now -- that area has now been swept into a majority White district after redistricting this year, undermining the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

How will this change people in Scotlandville in their way of life and representation? How do you see it?

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FIELDS: Well, you know, I say to people all over the state, and particularly in the old, I call it now the old 6th Congressional District, people who are in pockets of Black communities, I encourage them to actually participate in the process. There's too many people who have given too much for so long for us not to be energized and not to go to the polls and vote.

Though they eliminated the district, we still have, for example, a U.S. Senate candidate running for the U.S. Senate. I mean, Black voters need to get up. They need to get out, and they need to go and vote.

You know, John Lewis, who walked across the Edmund Pettus Bridge, almost had his brains beaten out because he was fighting for the right to vote. People like Martin Luther King, Sojourner Truth -- all of these people fought for the right to vote, and now those rights are being taken away. But at the end of the day, people need to exercise that right. People have fought so hard to give, you know, people of color an opportunity to elect a candidate of their choice.

Not so much in the 6th District, now, it was a 53 percent majority Black district. Now, it is only a 25 percent majority Black district, but that's not a reason not to go to the polls and vote.

WHITFIELD: Redistricting -- it is something that's happened before, 1996, and then now again, impacting your district.

As a native son of Scotlandville, you are not going to run again for congressional office, but maybe state legislature. So, you know, what are your aspirations? What are your goals for your community? The road ahead?

I know, as you just underscored, you're encouraging people to vote and still be part of the process. But, tell me about this decision that you made.

FIELDS: Well, I decided to not run for re-election because the district has been pretty much eliminated. I mean, it lessens a Black person the opportunity to be elected, and it actually takes away the opportunity for Black people in that district to elect a candidate of their choice. But I am going to return to the State Senate. That's where, you know, the rubber meets the road. Those that have folk who draw districts in our country.

So I plan to go back to the State Senate and represent the people of Louisiana from the State Senate. But people of Louisiana and people all over the nation need to know that this too shall pass.

I mean, this is not the first time we've seen tragedies in Louisiana. I mean, Louisiana is the state that brought us Plessy v Ferguson, where the Supreme Court basically said it was legal -- segregation was legal. You know, we have to just keep fighting against these bad decisions of the Supreme Court, and we do it not by not voting, we do it by voting.

And then one day, there will be a change and I plan to go back to Louisiana and be a part of that change.

WHITFIELD: Okay. Your legacy continues and you have built a legacy. And, and as a congressman, I wonder in leading the community of Scotlandville and surrounding communities, describe this community for us, you know, help paint a picture of what you hope will be preserved even though the district, District 6 is now different from that you represented.

What have been the things that changed or in your view, were elevated during your leadership?

FIELDS: Well, one of the things I wanted to do was to bring Southern University, which is the only HBCU system in the country. I wanted to bring in more resources, as I did back in the 90s, and we were able to do that this past Congress; and hopefully, you know, the next Congress, it will be even better because we will have a Majority Democratic Congress. And we have to, you know represent people who have been marginalized over the years. The scholarly community is a community that's in need of financial help is needed -- in need of federal investments and I've tried to do that as a member of Congress, and I am going to continue to do it as a member of the State Senate.

But you know, they meant this for evil; God meant it for good. You know, President Trump, when the Supreme Court handed down his ruling in the Calley case, he said we -- which, meaning the Republicans, we can get 20, oh, about 22 more seats. They have not. And hopefully they won't.

They've gotten three for sure, but at the end of the day, you know, redistricting was never based on party; redistricting was based on population and we did it every 10 years. But under this President, you know, when he signed his first executive order on January 20th, doing away with diversity, equity and inclusion, you know, that sent a dog whistle across the country.

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It was all right to exclude people. It was all right not to have minorities in Congress or in the military, but at the end of the day, I mean, all of that is backfiring. You know, Democrats are going to take over the House. They're going to probably take over the Senate. And you know, as I said, they meant it for evil, but God meant it for good.

And people need to continue to vote. They need to be involved in the process.

WHITFIELD: All right, we will leave it there, Congressman Cleo Fields, thank you so much for being with us.

FIELDS: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: And all the best in your next endeavors as you return as well to the State Legislature.

Thank you so much.

FIELDS: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: All right, straight ahead, what's left of Tropical Storm Rachel brings a serious flood threat and damaging winds to millions in the Southwest U.S. We've got the latest forecast.

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WHITFIELD: All right, we are now watching the remnants of Tropical Storm Rachel continuing to impact Southern California. The system is pushing heavy rain and gusty winds into parts of the Desert Southwest.

In Long Beach, powerful waves have actually damaged oceanfront homes and battered sections of the boardwalk, which was already dealing with coastal erosion. Crews are racing to reinforce a vulnerable seawall as rough surf hammers the shoreline there.

Let's go live now to CNN's Julia Vargas Jones, who is in San Diego. And I mean, the waves are still out there. It's still pretty rough.

JULIA VARGAS JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, we're past the peak of high tide, Fred, but the waves are still quite impressive. There's someone going into the water right now, so that's probably against all the warnings from authorities around here. But we have seen, of course, a lot of folks on the beach -- coming back to the beach to enjoy a slightly cooler day after a slew of just extremely hot days in Southern California.

But the worst -- the worst is gone, it is past, but there could be still some hazards from this. Those images from Long Beach, that's something that could happen still here in San Diego, in this part of Southern California. That's because the ocean was already higher than it was supposed to be, about a foot-and-a-half higher than it was supposed to be, and add to that these winds and the rain that's coming from Rachel.

The wind has been picking up and letting out bit by bit, but you can see the palm trees around this area, it is picking up back again, and this entire beach has been kind of set up to withstand some of these conditions. Over here, these sand berms that the city has put up to keep the water from going past the beach, it has been actually quite helpful as we walked up and down this boardwalk, you see that they are working. They are keeping some of the water on the sand and keeping some of the damage from expanding into other areas.

Another big concern in these areas, Fred, is that this and across the entire Southwest, this is true not only in the coastal areas, but in these desert areas not far from San Diego, where you may see these quick and intense bursts of rain that then will not be absorbed by the soil in those areas, and that could lead to a heightened risk of flash flooding. That's what authorities are still warning against.

And again, this is not just here. It is across the Southwest, but something we just hadn't seen before, extremely unusual to see a storm of this nature here in Southern California -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right, Julia Vargas Jones in San Diego, thanks so much.

All right, still to come, what happens to climbers who die in Everest's deadliest heights? Inside a dangerous mission to bring one of them home and give a family closure.

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WHITFIELD: Data centers are being built nationwide to meet the growing demand for artificial intelligence, but some residents are pushing back over concerns about energy use, environmental effects and impacts on their communities. All this is now playing out over a project in a New York City suburb.

CNN's Michael Yoshida has the story.

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MICHAEL YOSHIDA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): A standoff is underway in Kenilworth, New Jersey, a small borough of around 8,600 people in the sprawling New York City suburbs.

Some community members are organizing against the construction of a $1.8 billion A.I. data center by CoreWeave, a cloud computing company. The project is already under construction at a former Merck Pharmaceuticals facility in the middle of a long-established suburban neighborhood.

Opposition to the project picked up steam after approval was granted and news spread.

KAREENA GANDHI, PROTESTING A.I. DATA CENTER: We don't want an A.I. data center in our backyard. We don't want the pollution it's going to create. We don't want the noise it's going to create.

YOSHIDA (voice over): Neighbors are worried about noise, the center's water and electricity usage, and its impact on the environment.

WANDA ESPANA, PROTESTING A.I. DATA CENTER: I'm worried about property values. There are tons of houses for sale now and people are having a hard time trying to sell them.

YOSHIDA (voice over): CoreWeave declined an interview for this story, but pointed to publicly available information addressing residents' concerns, including $150 million investment in a new electric substation, a closed loop cooling system designed to minimize water use, and an independent acoustic study that they say found that Kenilworth facility would operate below state noise limits.

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Some local business leaders are supportive of the project and say that concerns over the data center are being addressed by New Jersey's strict permitting process.

MICHELE SIEKERKA, NEW JERSEY BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION: Like any large project, you need to go through a rigorous permitting cycle, and when you meet the requirements, you should be able to conduct business. Data centers should be treated absolutely no differently.

I take people seriously, but I do believe that there's a lot of alarmism going on right now that I don't think is fair.

YOSHIDA (voice over): Strict permitting or not, some residents of Kenilworth and neighboring communities say they don't trust the information provided by CoreWeave.

JOSEPH CRYAN (D), NEW JERSEY STATE SENATOR: People have just literally become angry over the process and frightened over the results.

YOSHIDA (voice over): New Jersey State Senator Joseph Cryan, who represents Kenilworth in the state capital, says approval of new data centers should be decided at the state level.

CRYAN: We need to make this what it should be -- a statewide issue, a statewide plan, and with statewide approvals.

YOSHIDA (voice over): Residents point to a recent moratorium on new hyperscale data centers in neighboring New York as an example of what they'd like to see their state leaders do.

Experts say communities now have more information and more leverage to demand projects that work for them.

ERIC MASANET, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, SANTA BARBARA: A lot of the pushback we've seen has really created a force for change with the industry. And now communities both have the knowledge but also the power to ask for the technologies and the data center characteristics that they can live with.

YOSHIDA (voice over): I'm Michael Yoshida, reporting.

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WHITFIELD: All right, a decades' long mystery atop Mount Everest has finally been solved. Generations of adventurers knew that a pair of lime green boots represented a person who may not have made it on that journey. But they never knew the whole story until a team of sherpas recently retrieved a DNA sample from those boots and were able to identify human remains.

Now, officials are working to bring the climber known as "Green Boots" back home.

CNN's Helen Regan has details.

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HELEN REGAN, CNN REPORTER (voice over): For decades, climbers knew they were near the summit of Mount Everest when they passed the body of a man known as "Green Boots." And yet, his identity was unknown to most climbers.

Now this mystery has finally been solved. India recently identified him as Dorje Morup, a soldier from its elite Himalayan Border Force.

This is the last known video of him in 1996.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So it is Dorje, he is checking his shoes, green boots.

REGAN (voice over): Harbhajan Singh was one of the last to see him alive. Singh led a team with the Indo-Tibetan Border Police, attempting the first Indian ascent of Everest from its northern route in Tibet. Morup was part of the group.

SINGH: Your brain stops working. You have only one aim: I have to climb Everest.

REGAN (voice over): On May 10th, 1996, Morup and two others pushed for the summit.

Singh had turned back.

SINGH: I had warned them time and again, but they were under a mountain fever sort of thing.

REGAN (voice over): Later that day, the group phoned base camp to say they had summited Everest.

SINGH: All of us were very happy. So, it was a matter of pride, but it was very short lived.

REGAN (voice over): They were hit by a snowstorm. The blizzard trapped the three as they were descending to the safety of camp.

SINGH: The next day morning when we know that we are -- they are unable to come back and we lost them. So they were trapped in that and they died.

REGAN (voice over): Five other climbers on the Nepal side also died in the storm.

DAVID ROESKE, U.S. HIGH-ALTITUDE CLIMBER: It felt like you were honoring him and his memory, best by pausing there and taking note. And so I think it, it sort of immortalized him as a part of the mountain.

REGAN (voice over): Thirty years later, India is trying to bring Morup home to his family so he can finally be put to rest.

SINGH: Especially for the family, it will be big honor. That's the biggest thing, and they will be happy.

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WHITFIELD: Chef David Chang goes on the road with actress, Gillian Jacobs to showcase Pennsylvania's best eats.

Our own, Sara Sidner sat down with David to get all the delicious details about some of Pittsburgh's best known sandwiches.

Here is a look at what they found.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is kind of the one that started it all, smoked chicken. The piri-piri sauce that has 10,000 peppers in it. This is very hot.

DAVID CHANG, CHEF: That is spicy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People don t believe us because we are white, but we warn them.

CHANG: Sorry, I am like hallucinating a little bit. That's really spicy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Bleep) I feel it!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What brought you to Pittsburgh?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did a little stint in Philly, and I traveled a little bit, but ultimately, I just wanted to kind of come home and, like, buy a house and try to, like, force my way through the ranks of the kitchens here. And like, always wanted to get to the point of having my own place. So it is doable here.

Like with no money and no pedigree, you can do something here.

CHANG: Pittsburgh was not on the radar for me at all. Right? But it is a community that wants to support new and a lot of crazy ideas that we need. We need new ideas.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WHITFIELD: Yes, oh! And new sandwiches all the time.

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