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Harvey Scolnick is Interviewed about the NTSB Hearing; Hawley Sides with Democrats on Insider Trading Bill; South Korea Agrees to 15 percent Tariff; Ghaith al-Omari is Interviewed about Gaza; Harris Won't Run for Governor. Aired 6:30-7a ET
Aired July 31, 2025 - 06:30 ET
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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: It comes after President Trump's split with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, saying that Palestinians are facing real starvation.
And in just a few hours from now, the NTSB begins day two of its hearing into the deadly midair crash near Reagan National Airport. Now, back in January, 67 people died when a Black Hawk Army helicopter and passenger plane collided.
On day one of the hearing, we learned the Black Hawk helicopter was flying higher than it should have been, and its altitude readings were inaccurate. Investigators listened to the audio of air traffic controllers who tried to warn the pilot of the incoming plane.
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TOWER: PAT 25, do you have the CRJ in sight?
TOWER: PAT 25, pass behind the CRJ.
HELICOPTER PILOT: PAT 25 has aircraft in sight. Request visual separation.
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CORNISH: The controller told the helicopter to go behind the plane, but the chopper crew had its microphone on at the same time, so they never heard it. And then the crash happened seconds later.
The head of the NTSB blasted the FAA for not taking ownership.
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JENNIFER HOMENDY, NTSB CHAIR: I don't get it. Every sign was there that there was a safety risk. And the tower was telling you that.
What you did is you transferred people out instead of taking ownership over the fact that everybody in FAA in the tower was saying there was a problem.
Are you kidding me? Sixty-seven people are dead. How do you explain that?
Fix it. Do better.
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CORNISH: Joining me now, Harvey Scolnick, a retired FAA air traffic controller.
I have to say, that was like a fiery response, right, from the head of the NTSB. Usually, these hearings can be kind of sleepy. Can you talk about what it is she is upset about? What is she seeing in this moment that the rest of us maybe don't fully understand?
HARVEY SCOLNICK, RETIRED FAA AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER: Well, the one thing she pointed out was that it -- it -- she thought it was an operation whereas an accident looking for a time to happen.
What we didn't hear there was an earlier call that I saw in the transcript where, when the pilot initially, of the helicopter, came over and asked for visual separation and the controller approved it, that immediately put the onus on the helicopter pilot. Whatever it had to do. Whether it had to go behind, whether it had to go in front of, whatever it had to do, it was the responsibility of that pilot to make sure it stayed -- it stayed in video -- in video view of the -- of the RJ and missed it in any way it could. Somehow it lost that focus. If it ever saw the -- saw the RJ to begin with.
CORNISH: So just to put it in plain speak, at the end of this hearing day, do we know who is at fault, so to speak?
SCOLNICK: Well, look, I don't think there's any question that the onus is on the -- the PAT 25, the helicopter, to maintain visual separation. Ordinarily, in -- a controller, once he gives that traffic information and clearance to one aircraft, the controller will usually give it to the other aircraft involved, as if to say, American 5342, traffic at 1:00 and five miles southbound is a military helicopter maintaining visual separation, has you in sight. I didn't hear that in the transcript. It might have helped.
Although with the American lined up for runway one, circling to the right, saw all the -- all the lights of the city, then circling back to the left to land on 33, seeing all the lights of the city, I'm not sure it would have been able to do anything about what ultimately happened.
CORNISH: Another thing that's come up in this conversation is the FAA's aging equipment. I want you to hear Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, who is saying this is something he's been working on.
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Sean DUFFY, TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY: Congress gave us 250 -- I'm $12.5 billion to start the process. We are in the works of developing the network for laying all new fiber cable. You saw the problem at Newark. That was a -- a telecommunication problem.
We're using kind of Windows 95 version of software for -- for your computer. We need to get to today's version of technology.
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CORNISH: When you think about this crash, based on what we're hearing, are we talking about a technology issue, an infrastructure issue, or a staffing issue, right, in terms of the air traffic controllers?
SCOLNICK: Well, I don't think it was staffing in this case. The controller was only working a couple of airplanes. There was no reason that a -- any supervisor wouldn't have combined the positions. The FAA has always had a -- had its shortcomings when it comes to staffing, because it always staffed up to the bare minimum. It needs to staff well above the minimum to get all the things done it needs to do with regard to training of new people and training -- and recurrent training of current controllers.
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So, as far as the equipment is concerned, it is older, but it's still pretty darn good. And I don't think that had anything to do with the incident that happened at Reagan. And, you know, it -- but the -- as far as taking care of the infrastructure, I'm not sure if the shortage of technical people, who maybe had the responsibility to check those connections every day, and then, because of the shortage of people, that changed to every week. Don't know if that happens. But that is a kind of thing that happens. The schedule maintenance usually slips and widens when -- it needs to be checked every day.
CORNISH: Harvey Scolnick, thanks so much for talking with us.
SCOLNICK: Thanks for having me.
CORNISH: Now, President Trump has a new irritant. It's Josh Hawley, the Republican congressman from Missouri, who's suddenly teaming up with Democrats. A Senate committee just advanced Hawley's bill that would ban members of Congress, and their spouses, as well as presidents and vice presidents, from trading stocks. If it becomes law, politicians would have to gradually divest their holdings. Every Republican on the panel opposed it, except Hawley.
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SEN. JOSH HAWLEY (R-MO): The information that members of Congress are privy to is technically not covered by the insider trading laws, but nobody really believes that the information that we get isn't valuable. It is quite valuable. Quite frankly, members of this body are privy to information that the normal person just is not.
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CORNISH: Now, the rule wouldn't really kick in until after Trump's term, but the president is still not happy with Hawley, calling him a pawn and a second tier senator.
Group chat is back. There's sort of two stories here, which is about the rule itself, but
also about Hawley and how he is positioning himself against the White House. He -- obviously, he opposed the big, beautiful bill's Medicaid -- Medicare cuts. He was critical of the DOJ's failure to release the Epstein files.
Who wants to take this up? What is he up to?
MICHAEL WARREN, SENIOR EDITOR, "THE DISPATCH": I think he's going full populist. I think he's got an eye toward post-2028, post-Trump era and sort of trying to take that mantle.
I don't know if it's the winning mantle. I don't know if it's the winning strategy, but it's probably the best strategy for Josh Hawley, what he's been sort of laying out here as his strategy and his realm or -- or kind of wing of MAGA. It might turn out to be, I don't know if he's going to run for president, but imagine him on a debate stage, him being able to say, I -- yes, I even got the ire of President Trump when I had this simple solution to say every politician should stop trading stocks while they're in office. It's the kind of thing I could see working well for him, even if Donald Trump is yelling at him right now.
JASMINE WRIGHT, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, "NOTUS": Yes, so much of what he's been putting out there, I mean, yes, he did oppose the Medicaid parts of the bill, but he eventually then caved and voted for the bill.
CORNISH: Yes.
WRIGHT: Then he introduced a bill trying to walk back those Medicaid cuts. Obviously, now we're talking about this stock deal. He's put out other bills that all are more messaging bills, not necessarily bills that he thinks --
CORNISH: I was about to say, meant to get clips of yourself saying you don't like something.
WRIGHT: Yes, bills that could actually get the majority of senators.
CORNISH: Yes.
WRIGHT: And it's really, like you said, to stake out his position.
Now, I think that Donald Trump is somebody who sees senators when they do this, and he tries to stop them from moving in a way that feels too political against him, even though he won't be on the ballot, he says, in 2028. And so, I think that this is going to be a conversation that we're going to continue to have because Hawley is just going to continue to do more and more of these messaging bills.
BETSY KLEIN, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, and the interesting thing about this bill is that Trump and J.D. Vance would both be exempt under it if it passes now, but it would go into effect in 2028. So, it could potentially impact J.D. Vance. CORNISH: It's interesting because Trump has been calling for an
investigation into the former house speaker, Nancy Pelosi, on this topic. I want to play that for you.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Nancy Pelosi became rich by having inside information. She made a fortune with her husband. And I -- I think that's disgraceful.
Nancy Pelosi should be investigated because what -- she has the highest return of anybody practically in the history of Wall Street, save a few.
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CORNISH: And then Pelosi's actually responded to this. She's denying any wrongdoing.
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REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): I very much support the stop the -- the trading of members of Congress. Not that I think anybody's doing anything wrong.
The president has his own exposure. So, he's always projecting.
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CORNISH: It occurs to me Hawley is also robbing Trump of a talking point in a moment when he's reaching for all the Democratic bogeymen to be -- to, like, not talk about things he doesn't want to talk about.
WRIGHT: Yes.
WARREN: I mean, this is, again, where Trump's political incentives are, are diverging from where a lot of the different Republican wannabes who want to run in 2028, or just want to set the agenda for the party, it's already happening now.
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Donald Trump is already basically a lame duck president. So, I think Republicans, like Josh Hawley, are just positioning themselves and -- and -- and trying to see where is this movement going.
CORNISH: All right, you guys, stick around. We're not done yet. We got a lot to cover here.
Coming up, will she or wont she? Speaking of 2028. Former VP Kamala Harris gives a clear answer on one path of her political future.
Plus, looking for answers into what caused $100 million F-35 fighter jet to crash in California. And we want to know what's in your group chat. So, you can send it to
us now on X. I'm @audiecornish. We're going to talk about ours after this.
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CORNISH: It's now 44 minutes past the hour. Here is your morning roundup.
The U.S. Navy wants to know what caused a fighter jet crash in California Wednesday. The F-35 went down in farmland, not far from Naval Station Lemoore. The pilot was able to safely eject before the crash.
And Texas Republicans put out new House congressional maps designed to take away five Democratic seats ahead of next year's midterms. It's part of President Trump's strategy to hold the House in 2026. Democrats are threatening legal challenges and warning that they're going to take similar actions in blue states if necessary.
And a judge dismissed Alec Baldwin's lawsuit for malicious prosecution and defamation in that fatal "Rust" movie set shooting. Charges of involuntary manslaughter against Baldwin were thrown out last year over allegations that police and prosecutors withheld evidence from the defense. Baldwin's attorneys say they will refile the lawsuit.
And we might be looking at the largest sports memorabilia heist in U.S. history. An NBA insider alleges authenticated collectibles from the Miami Heat were stolen and sold.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Perhaps the -- one of the largest heists of this kind. Game worn stuff that's been stolen and sold for at least 18 months.
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CORNISH: Our local affiliate in Miami reached out to the team. They say they can't comment on an ongoing investigation.
And we are less than 24 hours from Donald Trump's August 1st tariff deadline, which he says this time it's not going to be extended. He slapped a 50 percent tariff on Brazil for refusing to end its trial against his ally, ex-President Jair Bolsonaro. Trump also threatened India with a 25 percent tariff and an additional penalty for its reliance on Russian oil. Some countries have managed to work out deals with the U.S. South Korea agreed to a 15 percent tariff on its exports. And there's a trade framework in place with Pakistan. And there may be some new agreements with Canada and Thailand, although no further details have been provided.
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HOWARD LUTNICK, COMMERCE SECRETARY: Donald Trump solved the war between Thailand and Cambodia. All weekend long calling these guys.
SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: Look -- well, by the way, he solved the conflict worldwide, one a month, since he's been president. That's a pretty good track record.
LUTNICK: It's unbelievable. Because he uses trade. He gets to invite me on the phone and I listened all day Saturday while he's calling Cambodia, Thailand, Cambodia, Thailand. And what happens on Monday? They announce a truce. And you know what we did today? We made trade deals with Cambodia and Thailand.
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CORNISH: And my correction there, we are talking about Cambodia, not Canada, which actually might be hitting some snags.
In Beijing, CNN correspondent Marc Stewart is with us.
Marc, help us get under the hood of the South Korea deal, what it means for us who do a lot of shopping, maybe you're into KBeauty. What's going on?
MARC STEWART, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, let's first talk about South Korea. It is not the worlds -- or it's not the U.S.' largest trading partner. It's number six, I believe. But yes, we do get a lot of products there. And that's why this is going to be of interest to Americans, because the tariffs, now across the board, are going to be 15 percent. So, this includes things like cars, car parts, semiconductors, electronics, all key products that Americans use in their everyday lives.
But this deal goes beyond just a tariff negotiation. As part of it, South Korea has agreed to invest billions of dollars in the United States. And a big part of it is investment in shipbuilding. It's an industry that South Korea is well known for. If you go to the south of south -- if you go to the southern part of the country, you will see these massive shipyards. It's something that South Korea really has made a big industry of. And the hope is that, at least from the U.S. side, that this South Korean investment will also prompt -- will prompt investment and -- and flourishing relationships and industry in the United States.
So, this is one of the last-minute deals, in many ways similar to Japan. As far as these big ticket items, though, like cars, Audie, it is a 15 percent flat tariff. That is a relief, I think, to South Korean carmakers. It certainly was a relief to Japanese carmakers.
As far as, though, as how it's being received, I just was checking. Markets in South Korea actually closed a bit downward today, but this is one of the many agreements that the White House, Audie, is celebrating.
CORNISH: That's Marc Stewart in Beijing.
Now, I want to talk about the tariff deadline coming as basically there's this growing list of countries who are vowing to recognize a Palestinian state. First it was France, then U.K., and now Canada.
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MARK CARNEY, PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA: Canada intends to recognize the state of Palestine at the 80th session of the United Nations General Assembly in September 2025. This intention is predicated on the Palestinian Authority's commitment to much needed reforms, including commitments by the Palestinian Authority's president, Abbas, to fundamentally reform its government, to hold general elections in 2026 in which Hamas can play no part.
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CORNISH: So, here's how those stories come together. President Trump responded on social media saying, "wow! Canada has just announced that it is backing statehood for Palestine. That will make it very hard for us to make a trade deal with them. Oh Canada!!!"
It's a reminder that the crisis in Gaza is having ripple effects in global politics. In a never-before-seen move, the member stations of the Arab League announced a call for Hamas to disarm and give up its power over Gaza.
Ghaith al-Omari was a former adviser to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. He's now a senior fellow at The Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
Welcome back to CNN THIS MORNING.
GHAITH AL-OMARI, SENIOR FELLOW, THE WASHINGTON INSTITUTE FOR NEAR EAST POLICY: Thank you.
CORNISH: So, what's significant about the Arab League in particular, not just saying that it needs -- that Hamas needs to disarm and -- and go away, but even kind of going a step further?
AL-OMARI: Actually, it's a major, I think, political hit that Hamas is taking right now. It shows Hamas' isolation in the Arab world.
What the statement did was three things. First of all, Arab countries condemned the terror attack of October 7th that Hamas committed a year and a half ago. This is a first for many of those countries. This undermined Hamas' narrative.
Two, as you mentioned, they called for Hamas to disarm and step down from power. The message is Hamas has no future in Gaza after the war.
And three, they called for what we call a two-state solution, creating a Palestinian state next to Israel. This hits at Hamas' most fundamental ideology. Hamas does not believe in Israel's right to exist. The Arab countries, they're like, no, we will recognize Israel next to a Palestinian state. It's a major, major political hit.
CORNISH: So far, people have talked so much, especially with the starvation crisis, about the pressure on Israel. And then you do have France and the U.K. and people coming out. I know Israel actually rebuked Canada. They made an announcement saying, "Israel rejects the statement by the prime minister of Canada," a position -- they say, "the change in position at this time is a reward for Hamas and harms the efforts to achieve a ceasefire in Gaza and a framework for the release of the hostages."
What pressure is Israel feeling?
AL-OMARI: First of all, I think Israel is feeling isolated. I think, you know, this comes after many, many statements in previous weeks, mainly from Europe, about the situation in Gaza, starvation, humanitarian, et cetera. I think the recognition of Palestinian states also are is a challenge to this government. This Israeli government is not willing to accept a two-state solution.
But this pressure, especially from the Arabs, comes with a set of incentives, which makes it more credible. The Arab countries are saying, if Israel accepts the idea of a two-state solution, not tomorrow, not next week, but in the long term, then the Arab states said, we are willing to come to Gaza after the war, work on reconstruction, governance, even security. So, I think they're putting Israel in front of basically a decision moment.
CORNISH: I have to ask, people are talking about the two-state solution. But then when I like read it a little deeper, no one who's an expert seems to think that's possible.
AL-OMARI: It's not possible in the short term, for sure. I mean, in the short term, the Israeli politics does not allowing it. The Palestinians politics does not allow it. Both countries are divided. There's a lot of anger and hatred that came after October 7th and the war.
However, if you look at it in the long term, there is no other option. If you want to have permanent peace, the Jewish people deserve a state of their own. That's Israel. The Palestinian people deserve a state of their own. And that's going to be the future state of Palestine. It's still possible on the ground if you look at the map. The question is, how do you get the politics right, that we can get to that moment?
CORNISH: OK, Ghaith al-Omari, senior fellow at The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, thank you for explaining it.
AL-OMARI: Thank you.
CORNISH: All right, we want to move to domestic politics. Kamala Harris answering speculation about her future. Here's news. She is not running for California governor next year. In a statement released Wednesday she writes, in part, quote, "I look forward to getting back out and listening to the American people, helping elect Democrats across the nation and sharing more details in the months ahead about my own plans."
Democrats are questioning what those plans may be, especially when it comes to 2026 and 2028. One congressman from Texas reacted this way. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JAMES TALARICO (D), TEXAS STATE REPRESENTATIVE: Well, you know, a lot of people are saying that the Democratic Party is in the wilderness. And in my faith tradition, and actually in most major faith traditions, the wilderness is a place where new ideas and new leaders come forth. And so, I think we should embrace this time in the wilderness.
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CORNISH: Then I check the group chat, and Jasmine was just writing in the "NOTUS" newsletter that some of her sources were talking about this.
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What were they saying?
WRIGHT: Yes, well, the vice president took months basically to come to this decision. Last month, in Los Angeles, she convened basically a summit of advisers, and they presented her with three options that she run for governor, that she not run for governor and keep her options open for 2028 presidential election, or that she leave elected office altogether. She chose the middle, not running and keeping her options open.
Now, that does not mean that she's decided to run for 2028. Everybody that's telling me that I've talked to in the last 24 hours says that she has not come to that conclusion, but she does want to go out there and listen to people, listen to what they have to say.
Now, again, she has really avoided kind of doing this apology tour, like some of her other Democratic colleagues, including her former running mate, Tim Walz, these last six months. She hasn't been out there as much. She hasn't been talking to people about what went wrong.
CORNISH: Yes. Even Hunter Biden was out saying what went wrong.
WRIGHT: Exactly. We haven't heard that kind of, you know, case from her or explanation of what she thinks went wrong. And so, this is going to give her time to do it. She's also putting a political action committee together, a super PAC, a (c) (4). Not a super PAC, a PAC, a (c) (4).
CORNISH: Yes.
WRIGHT: And she'll try to help candidates also that way.
CORNISH: Let me bring in Betsy here. Is this in your group chat as well? Like, people -- whenever she does something, there's a little flurry of, like, OK, what does this mean? What does this mean?
WRIGHT: It's inevitable. Well, people are obsessed with her a little bit. CORNISH: Yes.
KLEIN: A little -- a little bit. But let's just remember, she is only 60 years old. She has a lot of time. I think this decision gives her the space, the distance to put 2024 and how bruising that was behind her. And also, like the role of a California governor is not one that is going to keep her on a national career path. And so this kind of --
CORNISH: Don't tell that to Gavin Newsom.
KLEIN: Well, I mean --
CORNISH: I think that's (INAUDIBLE).
Michael Warren.
WARREN: Look, I mean, I mean, there's a former vice president who followed this same path, right? He was a senator from California. Then he was vice president. And then he ran for governor in 1962, Richard Nixon, and lost. And he was able to come back even from that.
I think Kamala Harris' decision not to run for governor is probably a mistake in that regard, not because she has to follow the exact same path Richard Nixon took, but it does suggest that -- that she's not quite ready to get back in. And if you're not ready to get back in now, I think a lot of Democrats are going to be looking for someone who is -- is ready to fight now ahead to '28.
CORNISH: One more very quick one for you, Jasmine.
WRIGHT: Yes.
CORNISH: The thing is, Republicans would love for her to run again.
WRIGHT: Yes.
CORNISH: And if you're on a listening tour, like you were on a listening tour, it was called the election.
WRIGHT: Yes.
CORNISH: And people said no.
WRIGHT: Yes. Yes. So, what is the motivation for staying in, for not choosing some other option?
CORNISH: Like, what would someone have to say to her? Yes.
WRIGHT: I mean, I think that that's a really personal problem. I mean, really personal question. When -- if you cover Vice President Harris, as I have, for years now, you know that she likes to take a lot of information in and then ultimately make her decision. I think this is what happened now.
Yes, but I think it's a fair question. I think a lot of people are asking what more does she have to contribute? And I think, honestly, she may not know that herself.
CORNISH: Yes.
WRIGHT: And she's hoping maybe to find that answer when she's on the road.
CORNISH: OK, what else is in your group chats? Betsy?
KLEIN: We are all talking about the Katy Perry-Justin Trudeau rumors.
WRIGHT: Yes.
KLEIN: They're at dinner. You see him at her concert. He looks the happiest he's ever been. I don't -- there's nothing has been confirmed, of course, but we are all wondering what is going on here.
CORNISH: Yes, that's your contribution to my Canadian politics news today. I talked about tariffs. OK.
And Jasmine, you?
WRIGHT: OK, so I was going to say tariffs, but I was told that was too boring. So, I looked through my texts. And the last one in my -- one of my favorite group chats was a photo of Lindsay Lohan saying that she needs to be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize and an Oscar because she's looking so good on her press tour for "Freaky Friday."
CORNISH: OK.
WRIGHT: And I agree.
CORNISH: Yes. OK.
But also a woman from the tabloid, rocky era who is in a comeback.
WRIGHT: Rising from the ashes.
CORNISH: Don't call it a comeback.
WRIGHT: A phoenix.
WARREN: Exactly.
I'm still obsessed, and my friends are obsessed, with this Celsius high noon screw up.
CORNISH: Yes.
WARREN: I do wonder --
CORNISH: Should I check your mug?
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WARREN: No, everything's fine. It's coffee. It's coffee. I don't drink Celsius, by the way, but a lot of people do in this town. And I would imagine that would make things very interesting in the White House or on Capitol Hill.
WRIGHT: I'm going to start drinking Celsius now.
CORNISH: I'm sorry, I need to underscore and say, a lot of people in this town are like into the --
WARREN: Are Celsius -- are Celsius drinkers. Yes, Celsius is everywhere on The Hill, in the White House.
KLEIN: Yes, on the hill.
WRIGHT: Oh, yes.
CORNISH: Yes.
WARREN: I mean, it is -- it is -- so, if they're drinking booze --
WRIGHT: Now it's going to be in my cup.
WARREN: Yes, exactly. The -- the --
WRIGHT: Just in case I get lucky.
CORNISH: Yes. This does explain some of the coverage. And I will be reevaluating the group chat shortly.
KLEIN: I'm just going with White Claw. So --
WARREN: White Claw. There you go.
CORNISH: White Claw. Oh, my gosh (INAUDIBLE). We're really taking it back.
WARREN: Coors Light. Coors Light.
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CORNISH: That's how you can reveal how old you are by like, what was the non-beer alcoholic thing that people --
WARREN: Zima (ph) (INAUDIBLE).
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CORNISH: Why does that bring up -- why you got to bring up Zima, Michael Warren.
WRIGHT: (INAUDIBLE) 40?
WRIGHT: Yes.
CORNISH: Wait, what is that?
OK, this is devolving very quickly for breakfast chat.
[07:00:01] WARREN: (INAUDIBLE) my Celsius.
CORNISH: But, you know, there's a lot going on today. You guys, you really handled it with a lot of class. Thank you so much for being on the show.
Thank you for being with us, for waking up with us. I'm Audie Cornish. And CNN NEWS CENTRAL starts in just a moment.
