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U.S.-Ukraine Talks Underway In Geneva; AAA Predicts Record Number Of Road Travelers For Thanksgiving Period; Marjorie Taylor Greene Announces She Will Resign From Congress; RFK Jr. Directs Change In CDC Vaccine Guidance, Experts Say It Contradicts Established Science; Brazil Court: Ex-President Jair Bolsonaro Detained To Stop Possible "Attempted Escape" From House Arrest; Tatiana Schlossberg, JFK's Granddaughter, Reveals Terminal Cancer Diagnosis; ICE Mistakenly Detain High School Intern Outside Courthouse. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene Will Resign In January; Football Player Accused Of Stabbing 2 Teammates Before Game. Aired 7-8a ET

Aired November 23, 2025 - 07:00   ET

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VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN HOST: It's a brand new week. Thank you for starting with me. It's Sunday, November 23rd. Welcome to CNN This Morning. I'm Victor Blackwell.

Here's what's happening today. U.S. and European officials are meeting now to discuss how to end the war in Ukraine. Now these talks come as President Trump's peace plan hits a major pushback.

80 million people across the U.S. expected to travel for Thanksgiving. And we've got a look at where you could run into some slowdowns on the roads, some rain potentially, and delays at the airports. Also, the CDC has changed its website now, contradicting longtime guidance that vaccines do not cause autism.

We know now it was HHS Secretary RFK Jr. who ordered the change himself. A former CDC official is here to respond.

And is the DOJ's case against former FBI Director James Comey in major trouble? The paperwork mistake that could spell trouble for prosecutors.

Plus, the Transportation Department has a message for everyone. Comfortable flyers, put on some real clothes. That's coming up in the morning roundup.

All right, we're starting this morning with the top officials from the U.S., Europe, Ukraine. They've started talks in Geneva to bring an end to Russia's war. Ukraine's allies are also working on a response to President Trump's widely condemned 28-point peace plan at the G20 summit in South Africa. President Trump now insists that it's not his final offer, but he does appear to be growing impatient.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Now I would like to get the peace. It should have been -- it should happened a long time ago. The Ukraine war with Russia should have never happened. If I were President, it never would have happened. We're trying to get it ended. One way or the other, we have to get it ended, so --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: President Zelenskyy doesn't agree to this deal by Thursday. Will you cut off military aid? Will you cut off the intelligence?

TRUMP: Then he can continue to fight his little heart out.

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BLACKWELL: CNN Chief Global Affairs Correspondent Matthew Chance joins us live from Geneva. So the talks have now begun with the latest.

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CHIEF GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's right, Victor. The first round of talks has just concluded, according to the Ukrainian delegation. And we're talking about talks between the Ukrainians and the various, you know, Western leaders. I mean, European leaders predominantly, but also the Canadians as well that have been underway, I think, in this venue right behind me, which is a hotel in the center of Geneva.

We're not getting a lot of information as to where and when the talks are taking place. But I've been speaking to Western diplomats inside the lobby of that hotel, and they're telling me they're here to essentially, you know, kind of support the Ukrainians, you know, in trying to formulate a proper response to this 28-point proposal that was put out by the United States, obviously with the -- with incorporation with Russian officials as well.

Those Western diplomats are very concerned that there's not going to be a meeting between all three of the parties. The Ukrainians are now saying they're going to have their first round of meetings with the Americans to -- I expect to properly communicate what their response is to this 28-point plan. But the -- again, those Western diplomats telling us that they're concerned that they're not going to be in the same room altogether, all three of those sides to really hammer out a sort of proper response.

Because, you know, and there's a lot of confusion as well about what exactly is being asked of Ukraine and asked of the Europeans in this day of negotiations here in Geneva. You know, it's not clear, for instance, whether this document that was presented and has been made public now is a final offer or whether it's the basis for negotiation.

President Trump has changed his opinion on that or what he said about that repeatedly over the past couple of days. I think the hope is that it is, in fact, the basis for negotiation. And that's a polite way of saying, according to one diplomat, that in its current format, it is not acceptable either to the Ukrainians or to the Europeans. But they're having to find a diplomatic way of saying that.

Of course, there are big implications for the Ukrainians as well, because if they say no to this peace plan, there is a chance, a risk that the United States could turn its back on Ukraine. It could withdraw to an even greater extent than it already has military and intelligence support for Ukraine.

So that's obviously, you know, potentially very negative for its performance on the battlefield. Although there are Western countries, European allies that say they are prepared to step up, although it's not clear to what extent they'd be able to fill the void left by a departing United States.

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But of course, you also have to remember that if Ukraine says yes to this, it would effectively be a capitulation. And that may have consequences for President Zelenskyy at home domestically. Victor?

BLACKWELL: Matthew Chace for us there in Geneva outside these talks. Thanks so much.

So a record number of people are expected to travel for Thanksgiving this year. And while that will lead to some jammed interstates, there's some good news here. CNN's Jenn Sullivan has more on what you should expect.

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JENN SULLIVAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Air travel is beginning to return to normal just in time for the busy Thanksgiving travel week. A welcome relief for many passengers whose travel plans were uprooted by delays and cancellations during the government shutdown.

KATIE FISH, TRAVELING TO HONOLULU FROM CHICAGO O'HARE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT: Thank goodness it happened before the holidays because we all deserve good getaways.

SULLIVAN (voice-over): As the government shutdown dragged on, the FAA reduced air traffic by 4 percent at 40 major airports across the country. It caused mass flight delays and cancellations. But transportation authorities gave airlines the green light to resume normal operations Monday. And the disruptions from the government shutdown appear to be over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think we're going to have a smooth, hopefully, Thanksgiving travel.

SULLIVAN (voice-over): But travelers should still brace for long lines at airports and plenty of cars on the roads. AAA is projecting nearly 82 million people will travel 50 miles or more between Tuesday, November 25th and Monday, December 1st. That's a new record. At least 73 million of those travelers are expected to drive.

AIXA DIAZ, AAA SPOKESPERSON: We're going to have more traffic and more congestion on the roads.

SULLIVAN (voice-over): AAA spokesperson Aixa Diaz says those numbers could be even higher if people decide to drive instead of fly because they're worried about flight disruptions.

DIAZ: A lot of people are going to make that call, though, at the last minute.

SULLIVAN (voice-over): If you are driving, AAA says the worst times to travel are Tuesday between noon and 9:00 p.m. and Wednesday between 11:00 a.m. and 8:00 p.m. The worst time to return home is Sunday between 11:00 a.m. and 8:00 p.m.

Here's the good news for drivers. The national average for a gallon of regular gas is around $3.11 as of Wednesday, according to GasBuddy.com. I'm Jenn Sullivan reporting.

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BLACKWELL: Thank you, Jenn.

We could be seeing a big cool down in some parts of the country heading into Thanksgiving. Meteorologist Chris Warren joins me now. And I'm good with it.

CHRIS WARREN, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes.

BLACKWELL: Right around Thanksgiving, drop the temperature a bit. There's football, there's parades.

WARREN: Sweaters, all sorts of stuff.

BLACKWELL: Sweaters.

WARREN: Sweaters, right? So I think the main thing here, Victor, when we look at the weather this week, could be worse. So I think that's going to be the headline here, right?

So it's not going to be perfect, but, you know, November, it's going to be tough to get that. Here's what we're dealing with today. It's going to be a flood threat developing later on tonight with some heavy rain this afternoon and evening for parts of Texas.

And you see those storms in the system that's ultimately going to cause that with some snow in the higher elevations in New Mexico. That's going to move over here into Texas when it's all said and done over the next day or two. You're going to see possibly several inches of rain. That's where the flood threat will be.

Now, as far as travel goes, we're going to watch a couple of systems. So there's that one right there. Then another one moving into the Pacific Northwest. This is Monday, Monday afternoon from Dallas up to St. Louis. That's where the rain is going to be.

Another system on the northern tier, you can see some snow associated with that, the purple colors. That's the snow. It's also going to have some wind with it. So the wind, the snow could be what ultimately leads to some of the travel delays here in the northern tier.

Otherwise, rain. Be careful on the roadways when you're driving. Take your time. Of course, you guys pay attention to everything, even with the sun. That could be difficult, too, depending on the time of day and what direction you're going.

Temperature is relatively mild from Oklahoma City to Atlanta on Monday and Tuesday. But it's going to be here on Wednesday when that system is cranking across the Great Lakes. Could see some delays in Minneapolis, Chicago, also possibly in the northeast as well. That cold front pushes through and a winter air will be felt across most of the country, Victor, with temperatures staying below the freezing mark in the Twin Cities.

BLACKWELL: All right. Thank you, Chris.

President Trump says that he is now open to reconciling with Marjorie Taylor Greene. You know, last week she announced that she'll step down from office in January. The Republican congresswoman dropped the news days after her very public fallout with the President.

Here's what the President had to say about her resignation.

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TRUMP: I just disagreed with her philosophy. She started backing, perhaps the worst Republican congressman in our history with this, you know, stupid person, named Massie. And I said, go your own way. And once I left her, she resigned because she would have -- she would never have survived a primary. But I think she's a nice person.

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BLACKWELL: CNN's Camila DeChalus says more now on how Marjorie Taylor Greene went from one of President Trump's closest allies to now his top antagonists.

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CAMILA DECHALUS, CNN REPORTER: Well, Marjorie Taylor Greene's resignation announcement definitely came as a shock to everyone, not just members of Congress, but also to the entire Republican landscape. Now, early on in her tenure, she made clear that she was a strong supporter of President Trump and said she would do whatever it takes to really push his legislative agenda forward.

But in the recent months, she's become increasingly critical of the President, often accusing him of focusing too heavily on foreign policy issues and not enough on the issues that are impacting Americans here in this country. And she also did not shy away from criticizing members of her own party, especially during the government shutdown. She openly criticized the House Speaker Mike Johnson, saying that he needed to do more to address the growing health care crisis.

Now, even though Marjorie Taylor Greene is considered to be a polarizing figure on Capitol Hill during these last few weeks, she also took part in a big bipartisan push to release all the Jeffrey Epstein files. And that did not go well with President Trump. On his end, he did not hold back his criticism of her, and he even went as far as calling her a traitor.

Now, earlier today, when reporters asked him about her, he called her a nice person, but ultimately said that he would openly support another person if they try to challenge her in the primaries. Now, Marjorie Taylor Greene did not announce what she plans to do after leaving office, but her departure does beg an even bigger question. And that is, will we see more Republican lawmakers leave office if they begin to openly criticize the Republican Party or even President Trump during his time in the Oval Office?

Camila DeChalus, Washington, CNN.

BLACKWELL: All right, we're learning more details about the new guidance on autism and vaccines on the CDC's website. In an interview with The New York Times, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says that he personally directed the CDC to update its website to contradict its longtime guidance that vaccines do not cause autism. The website now says that statement is not based on evidence, but public health researchers strongly disagree with the update, saying it misleads the public.

Here to discuss, former CDC official Dr. Demetre Daskalakis. Thank you for coming in.

DR. DEMETRE DASKALAKIS, FORMER CDC OFFICIAL: Thank you so much.

BLACKWELL: OK, so let's first put up what is now on the website. The new bullet point, vaccines do not cause autism is not an evidence- based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism. Can you start with, first, the scientific findings, but also there's just the scientific method about ruling out something like that?

DASKALAKIS: That's right. So, I mean, bottom line, vaccines do not cause autism. There are over 40 very high quality studies with very strong methodology conducted in seven countries. Almost 6 million people in those studies, all of which say vaccines do not cause autism.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

DASKALAKIS: The problem is there is no scientific process here. This is a rehashing of a very old anti-vaccine strategies to really discredit vaccines and to, you know, confuse people and frankly, create a circumstance for litigation where RFK Jr.'s friends and family could potentially make a lot of money. And so it's it's really -- I think there's some nefarious things going on.

BLACKWELL: You think this is a personal interest for me as much as it is the vaccine skepticism we've seen over years?

DASKALAKIS: This is a conflict of interest, like bottom line, in my opinion. You know, if you have support organizations that are really pushing for litigation that will destabilize the vaccine endeavor in the United States and that's ultimately, you know, your close colleagues and family may profit off of that, to me, that's a conflict of interest.

So, I mean, as you said, this is not scientific process. Like one human should not be making a decision for the entire country in terms of vaccine policy.

BLACKWELL: Yes. Paul Offit, Dr. Paul Offit also said in his Substack that you could also put up there that it's not proven that chicken nuggets don't create autism because (INAUDIBLE) disproved it.

DASKALAKIS: I like that umbrellas don't cause kittens.

BLACKWELL: Right.

DASKALAKIS: But it's like that's --

BLACKWELL: Yes.

DASKALAKIS: -- pretty much what it's like. I think that it's -- you know, the bottom line is there's -- if you demonstrate that there's no link to something, you know, like vaccines do not cause autism, you're done.

BLACKWELL: OK, so there's also on the website now that this page will be updated with gold standard science results from the HHS comprehensive assessment of the causes of autism. Under this Secretary, what's that worth? What's that mean?

DASKALAKIS: It's worth about as much as the paper is written on, which is nothing. I mean, bottom line, the Secretary talks about gold standard science, we've not seen any of that. Let's go back a couple of weeks and think about Tylenol and autism.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

DASKALAKIS: Same story. There's no new information. There's no new data. Frankly, he doesn't even have to create new data, which, by the way, is what he's trying to do, because all he has to do is put up something on the webpage, give it a CDC stamp of approval. And now he's created a document that he can refer to and say, this is the policy of the land. This is the perspective of the country.

BLACKWELL: I want you to listen to Senator Bill Cassidy. He was the senator who cast the crucial vote in committee for confirmation for Secretary Kennedy.

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Secretary Kennedy has broken several promises that he made to him personally to get that confidence. I want to listen to a recent interview with Punchbowl.

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SEN. BILL CASSIDY (R), LOUISIANA: Life is live forward. And so what I have to do is do my best to reassure the American people that vaccines are safe. We have to work against unfortunate attempts to undermine faith.

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BLACKWELL: The question was if he regretted his vote to confirm him, what do you think about what you're seeing from Capitol Hill?

DASKALAKIS: Yes, I mean, I have faith in our democracy. That's where I have to start. And I've spoken to Senator Cassidy before. I briefed him actually on bird flu. And he's very insightful, a very smart doctor, really understands all the issues. And so, you know, I think that the people that we vote for need to respect and reflect the feelings and beliefs of the people that voted for them.

And I actually have faith in the process. I am excited that he's done some oversight. I hope that there will be more oversight. This isn't normal. You should not have a secretary of HHS that is debunking truth and replacing it with conspiracy.

BLACKWELL: Speaking of vaccines, we're now the flu season. I need to get my flu shot.

DASKALAKIS: Oh, get your flu shot. That's (INAUDIBLE).

BLACKWELL: I need to get my flu shot. Yes. But what do we know about potentially a new strain and how that matches or does not the vaccine or the shot that's approved?

DASKALAKIS: Yes, there's a new strain of one of the, you know, commonly circulated flu viruses, H3N2, that is a little bit different than the flu vaccine. And in some parts of the world has really looked as the cause of a more severe flu season. We can't predict what's going to happen in the U.S. It happens as it happens.

But what I can tell you is get your flu shot now.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

DASKALAKIS: Because if you get your flu shot now, there is evidence, there's some early evidence from the U.K. that the current vaccine does protect against that strain. And so if you hear confusing things, the answer is not don't get your vaccine, it's run to get your vaccine, especially as you're about to do all that Thanksgiving travel that we heard about.

BLACKWELL: I will do it.

DASKALAKIS: Great. I love it.

BLACKWELL: Thank you very much for coming in, Demetre Daskalakis.

DASKALAKIS: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: All right, Brazil's disgraced former president is now off house arrest and in jail this morning after he admitted to burning his ankle monitor. And now police are calling him a flight risk. And President Trump is weighing in. Also, a teenager is pulled from a car and detained by ICE agents in Rhode Island. Now, ICE says this was all a mistake.

And two college football players were stabbed hours before the game yesterday. The suspect is one of their teammates. That story is coming up in sports.

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BLACKWELL: Brazil's Supreme Court says Jair Bolsonaro is a flight risk and he must be held in a cell instead of house arrest. And the former president was arrested yesterday just days before starting his 27-year prison sentence. He was convicted of plotting a coup after he lost the 2022 election.

Now, police requested the arrest ahead of a planned vigil outside of Bolsonaro's home. You see, they were concerned that he would use the visual as a distraction to run. Brazil's Supreme Court also released a video which it says shows Bolsonaro admitting to tampering with his ankle monitor while soldering -- with a soldering iron.

Bolsonaro said that he did it out of curiosity. His legal team insists he was not plotting an escape. The U.S. Deputy Secretary of State says the Trump administration is gravely concerned about Bolsonaro's arrest. Here's how President Trump responded.

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TRUMP: What?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any comment about the former Brazilian president being arrested today?

TRUMP: No, I don't know anything about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, are you willing to hear the story?

TRUMP: I haven't heard anything about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, are you willing --

TRUMP: I didn't hear -- is that what happened?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. There's a (INAUDIBLE).

TRUMP: That's too bad. That's too bad. No, I just think it's too bad.

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BLACKWELL: New this morning, President John F. Kennedy's granddaughter has revealed that she has terminal cancer. 35-year-old Tatiana Schlossberg wrote an essay in The New Yorker detailing her battle. In that piece, she said that she was diagnosed last year with acute myeloid leukemia. She got the diagnosis soon after she gave birth. Schlossberg says that doctors have told her she has less than a year to live.

Federal prosecutors are asking a judge to reject an effort to rule out capital punishment in the Luigi Mangione case. Mangione is accused of shooting and killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson last year. His attorneys are asking the judge to rule out capital punishment over Attorney General Pam Bondi's statements, suggesting that he deserves execution. Mangione has pleaded not guilty to all federal and state murder charges.

We've got some concerning video out of Rhode Island. Officials there say that ICE agents detained a 16-year-old despite warnings that they had the wrong person. Officials say that agents actually began tracking the teenager inside the Superior Court where he interned. That prompted a justice to drive the intern to school.

But before they could leave, the agents surrounded the vehicle, demanded the justice and the teenager get out. The teen then -- they restrained the teen, I should say, and the teen -- and walked him across the street as onlookers shouted at them.

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A DHS spokesperson told CNN the agents had been searching for a child predator. The intern was eventually released after his identity was verified by federal agents.

Still ahead, Elon Musk announces that the 9:00 to 5:00 jobs, they might be over with in 10 to 20 years. Why the billionaire tech mogul says that work will be optional and money meaningless.

And the Department of Transportation wants to return to, they say, civility in class and air travel. That story and more in this morning's roundup.

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BLACKWELL: One of the more vocal members of the House GOP is leaving office. Marjorie Taylor Greene says that she's leaving in January, five years after she was elected.

Joining me now in the roundup, lawyer Cody Randall, race and culture reporter for "The Atlanta Journal Constitution", Ernie Suggs, and journalist JaQuitta Williams.

Welcome to you all.

JAQUITTA WILLIAMS, JOURNALIST: Thank you very much.

ERNIE SUGGS, RACE & CULTURE REPORTER, ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION: Glad to be here.

BLACKWELL: So, Marjorie Taylor Greene, 36 hours ago from Trump was Marjorie traitor brown. A little later in the day, he spoke with NBC, and he said this about her. It's not going to be easy for her to revive her career. Id love to see that. He also said that it will take a little time and asked if he could -- if he could overcome his differences with her. He said, I can patch up the differences with anyone.

What's happening here? I mean, the fortunes changed pretty quickly.

SUGGS: Well, Marjorie Taylor Greene is the gift that keeps on giving. For those of us in the media. And as you see, as you said, there's been a 36 or 72-hour rollercoaster for her. And I think that two things can be true. I think she's very hurt. She's been, you know, ride or die with President Trump for five years and for him to call her a wacky traitor hurt her, I think.

But I also think that she's reading the tea leaves, seeing that he's an incumbent, not -- seeing that he's a lame duck, lame duck, and she's kind of looking at what her future is. Does she want to continue to be attached to President Trump? You know, the 2026 elections are coming up. The 2028 elections are coming up. I don't think she'll run for Senate. But, you know, governor is in the possibilities. She may run for president.

And now, you know, Trump is saying, hey, I might forgive her. So I think that this is kind of I think were not going to see that this is not the end of Marjorie Taylor Greene for any by any means at all. She's going to be back.

WILLIAMS: You know, and I also think its interesting, too, that, you know, the relationship with President Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene was chummy, best of friends. But the slightest thing the Epstein files changed the trajectory of their entire relationship now. But, you know, with President Trump, you can go. From his best friend to his highest enemy just like that.

BLACKWELL: And, you know, the other thing she said, one thing she said in her video is that loyalty should be a two way street.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

BLACKWELL: And we've seen with the president that it often is not. But that can change overnight. And that takes us to Zohran Mamdani, right?

WILLIAMS: Yes.

BLACKWELL: Up until that meeting, that availability, the Republican narrative, including from the president, was this is a far left extremist, a communist. Afterward, we saw this. Let's play it.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think he's different. All right. I think he's different. And that can be a very positive way. But I think he's different than, you know, your typical guy runs wins, becomes mayor, maybe, and nothing exciting because he has a chance to really do something great for New York. We're going to help him. But I really think he has a chance to do a great job. I'll be cheering for him.

I think he is going to surprise some conservative people, actually, and some very liberal people. I met with -- I met with a man who's a very rational person.

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BLACKWELL: I could imagine the members of Congress who were running against Mamdani wherever they were looking at that and thinking, what now? Any short-term implications of this?

CODY RANDALL, LAWYER: I mean, not -- short term implications, not so much. I'm not surprised by it, though. You got to remember like for the first part of his career, Donald Trump was a Democrat until he became a Republican. And they're both New Yorkers.

And if there's one thing that Donald Trump loves more than anything else, its being popular. And right now, Mamdani is pretty popular with a lot of people in a very large city. So, it doesn't surprise me at all that Trump wants to show that he's on the same team as they can work together.

At the end of the day, they both have the same interests at heart, right? You want to have New York succeed. They're both New Yorkers, so it doesn't surprise me that much.

WILLIAMS: But I'll say this I was expecting some fireworks just a little bit here and there. After all of the vibrato from both sides. But then to come and see, kind of like a bromance or a bro fest and even the optics of it, I will say Mamdani seems like he did stand firm in his beliefs, and when they tried to, when the questioning tried to go left, they would bring it back to center. But Mamdani did stand on the things that he mentioned before.

So, you know, this -- this was interesting. But here again with this president, we want to see how long this love fest lasts.

BLACKWELL: The wind can change pretty quickly.

WILLIAMS: Quickly, quickly.

BLACKWELL: Yeah.

Cody, your story of the week is the revelations out of the Comey indictment. What we've learned about what potentially the grand jury did and did not see.

RANDALL: So, the grand jury didn't see the indictment. That's the problem we have here, right? There isn't a valid indictment. In order for you to bring a case, you have to present all of your facts towards the grand jury and give them a charging document, and then they vote, true or false on those items.

The original document had three items listed. That's what they presented to the grand jury. They voted true on two of those. Rather than take that document and represent the information with just the two charges, she just edited the document, striked one out, and then had the foreperson sign it and then took it to the judge.

And at that point, it's not a true bill because the grand jury didn't return that indictment.

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That foreperson's just a random person at this point in time.

BLACKWELL: Yeah.

RANDALL: So without an indictment, you can't bring a case. And the statute of limitations in this case has now expired. So if the judge determines that the indictment wasn't valid, then the case is over with.

BLACKWELL: Yeah. And this is the acting U.S. Attorney Lindsey Halligan there, who admitted that she didn't show it to the final indictment to the grand jury. They then came back and said, actually, they did see it. But Comey's attorneys say that it should be dismissed because of the vacillation on this. Do you expect it to survive?

RANDALL: No, I don't expect it to survive. I expect it to be dismissed because her original testimony wasn't once, wasn't twice, but three times in the court she had been called before the bench and told the judge how it transpired. Showing it to one member of the grand jury or to the foreperson does not an indictment make. The charging document isn't valid.

BLACKWELL: All right. Let's talk about Elon Musk. We haven't talked about him in a while. He has a prediction for the next 10 to 20 years that work. We probably won't need it.

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ELON MUSK, TESLA CEO: My prediction is that work will be optional.

MODERATOR: Optional?

MUSK: Optional.

MODERATOR: So, we'll take that.

MUSK: Yeah. I mean, it'll be like playing sports or video game or something like that. If you want to work. You know, in the same way, like you can, you can go to the store and just buy some vegetables, or you could grow vegetables in your backyard. It's much harder to grow vegetables in your backyard, but some people still do it because they like growing, growing vegetables. That will be what work is like, optional.

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BLACKWELL: Ernie, sounds great.

SUGGS: It sounds great. But, you know, I'm just waiting for that, for that to happen. Because I got to go to work tomorrow, right? Right, right. But I think we listen to Elon Musk because he has $467 billion.

But I think that a lot of times that things that he says are very aspirational, very future, he's a futurist, obviously, I'm just waiting for that time when we're not going to need money and were not going to have to work. But it seems so far off. It seems it doesn't seem reasonable.

BLACKWELL: Yeah, I mean, it sounds great, but also he's been promising, fully autonomous cars for a decade, and so we haven't seen those yet. In the next decade, he says we won't need to work. So, grain of salt.

All right, everybody, stay with us. We'll come right back.

Heinz wants to help you step up your leftover game this year. Squeeze bottle gravy.

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BLACKWELL: All right. Welcome back to the morning roundup. I'm here with Cody Randall, Ernie Suggs, and JaQuitta Williams.

So we've been talking during the break about this one. The Department of Transportation has launched a new campaign called "The Golden Age of Travel Starts with You".

Here's Secretary Duffy.

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SEAN DUFFY, U.S. TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY: Ask yourself, are you helping a pregnant woman put her bag in the overhead bin? Are you dressing with respect? Are you keeping control of your children? Are you saying thank you to your flight attendants and your pilots? Are you saying please and thank you? In general, the golden age of travel begins with you.

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BLACKWELL: Jaquitta, this stands out to you this week.

WILLIAMS: Yes, I absolutely agree with him. You know, there was a time when you would see people in the airport who were dressed all like us. You know, you don't have to be dressed to the nines, but you put some effort into your look. Now, you've got people in pajamas, you know, bonnets, slippers, taking their shoes off, resting in on the person.

I think it is just -- that's a problem.

BLACKWELL: Sure.

WILLIAMS: I'm not saying you have to be in ball gown attire. However, I do think when you look better, there's a certain kind of, what is -- what's the word?

BLACKWELL: The decorum.

WILLIAMS: Decorum. And I think people treat you a little bit better when you do.

RANDALL: Yeah. I mean, I think people treat you better if you wear a nicer outfit. I think you act better if you wear nicer outfit, if you wear business casual or something like that. You're looking good, you're feeling good. You're in a professional setting.

Don't get me wrong, I think the airport could be improved. It is a nightmare these days, but this is a issue of our own making. The seats on airplanes have gotten smaller and smaller. People want to be comfortable. It's not comfortable sitting in a third class coach seat, wearing a full suit and tie.

WILLIAMS: But you're not at home.

RANDALL: Yeah, I understand that. But then you're talking about wearing a nice outfit. You used to wear nicer clothes to go somewhere. People used to have more professional jobs, business casual in the outfit that you wore in public was a different thing. But also --

WILLIAMS: Are you trying to say what you're wearing right now would be uncomfortable?

RANDALL: This would be extremely uncomfortable on an airplane for like a five hour flight. I'm getting on a flight tonight to go to Los Angeles. I will not be wearing a full suit to go out.

WILLIAMS: What are you going to be wearing?

RANDALL: I'll probably be wearing slacks and maybe a nice shirt.

WILLIAMS: But you'll still look nice.

RANDALL: T-shirt or something.

WILLIAMS: You won't have on pajamas.

RANDALL: But also, I also I've got TSA precheck. I don't have to take my shoes off. Right. Sorry about people wearing sneakers.

BLACKWELL: Speaking of wearing something comfortable, I love this next story. Grindr, the social networking app for gay, bi, trans and queer people, recently debuted a 36-piece fashion collection made of the wool of gay rams. Here's a look at the runway show. Gay rams I say? Yes.

Apparently, one in 12 rams are gay and rainbow farms in Germany rescues these rams that would otherwise be slaughtered, and they collab with Michael Schmidt for this runway show. What do you guys think?

SUGGS: I think it's a fascinating story. When you -- when you guys sent it to me last night, I was like, what is this?

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But I think it's fascinating. You mentioned that one in 12 sheep are gay.

BLACKWELL: Yeah.

SUGGS: Which is crazy, but they were being slaughtered. So, I think that, you know, for one, he's saving these rams, right?

And two, you're looking at your -- your viewers are looking at these fantastic fashions. Nothing that I would wear. I would rather wear a quarter --

BLACKWELL: Are you sure? Come on.

SUGGS: I would rather wear a quarter --

WILLIAMS: Would you wear at the airport?

RANDALL: But you can wear that.

SUGGS: I probably would.

RANDALL: I don't think any of these outfits are things that you would approve of --

WILLIAMS: They would be comfortable.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

WILLIAMS: I don't know how comfortable wool is.

RANDALL: I find it to be a little bit scratchy.

WILLIAMS: I would need a little bit more material to cover up my sweet bits, but I try it.

BLACKWELL: Sweet bits.

WILLIAMS: My sweet bits.

BLACKWELL: So the collection is called I will survive. Huh? And it is called the greatest hits of gay archetypes. The plumber, the pizza delivery driver, the sailor.

And so, it says that the wool from these rams isn't just material, it's a message spun from animals who live freely and are loved.

Last one here, Heinz has now introduced a new condiment that they call leftover gravy. And it's inspired by "Friends". Watch.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You see, my sister makes these amazing turkey sandwiches. Her secret is she puts an extra slice of gravy-soaked bread in the middle. I call it the moist maker.

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BLACKWELL: And so, that's what they call this the moist maker. I love that sandwich after Thanksgiving with everything on it. I don't know if I want the bottle from Heinz.

WILLIAMS: I'm going that's a pass for me. That's a pass.

SUGGS: I'm going to pass on that as well. I like my gravy nice and hot. Yeah, it's going to be cold. It's going to be coming out of a container. I don't know.

RANDALL: Okay. But in all fairness right. We're calling it a new condiment. Its not a new condiment. It's new packaging for the same thing we've always enjoyed.

I like turkey gravy. And actually, I'm a fan of the Heinz itself. So being able to just like put a little dollop on my sandwich, I mean, I'm kind of okay with that.

SUGGS: We enjoy it coming off our refrigerator.

RANDALL: Are you going to heat it up?

SUGGS: And coming out of our turkey bowl, not coming out of a container.

RANDALL: Yeah. But when I take my Thanksgiving leftovers, I'm making a sandwich. Right. It's a cold cut sandwich. I'm going to get a to get a little bread. I'm going to put some turkey on there. I'm going to throw some stuffing on there.

I'm squirt a little bit of gravy on top. Maybe I heat it up. Maybe I don't like. It's different --

SUGGS: Just different.

RANDALL: -- the next day, right?

WILLIAMS: Very different.

BLACKWELL: What I do -- you've got to include the cranberry sauce though to the cranberry sauce. And I need the cheapest one. Just the jelly. No whole berry. That's what I need on my sandwich.

RANDALL: So, here's the thing. You'd be invited to my parents' house because you and my dad would get along great. He likes the type of cranberries that when you put them on the plate, you can see the rings of the cans on there.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

RANDALL: That's not for me.

BLACKWELL: The ribs. SUGGS: Where do they come to your house, have you got that gravy,

though?

RANDALL: I mean, there's going to be plenty of gravy. That's going to be leftovers. That's going to be for after Thanksgiving. You can come to Thanksgiving. I'm expecting you to be gone by the time we get to --

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BLACKWELL: Cody, Ernie, JaQuitta, thank you all. It's been a good conversation.

Sports is next.

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BLACKWELL: A college football player is facing attempted murder charges after a fight with teammates before the team's game yesterday.

Coy Wire joins us now with more on this.

Hey, Coy.

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Victor.

A University of Alabama at Birmingham football player stabbed two teammates Saturday morning just hours before the team's game against USF, according to the university. Interim head coach Alex Mortensen said after the game, that the two wounded players were in stable condition. Yes, the team still played the game.

The coach said the team decided to play to honor the graduating seniors who would be playing in the last home game of the season. Several players did not want to play. They opted to sit out due to the incident.

The university says the teammates suspected in the stabbing was in custody. While the school did not release the names of the players involved. Daniel Mincey, an offensive lineman who transferred to the school in May, was arrested and booked on charges of aggravated assault and attempted murder in the afternoon, according to Jefferson County jail records. He was in custody in Birmingham and appeared to be the only UAB player who was arrested Saturday. It was not immediately clear if Mincey had legal representation. Attempts to reach family members for comment were not immediately successful.

Now, let's get you your highlights. Top 15 showdown, number seven Oregon derailing number 15 USC's playoff hopes with a 42-27 beatdown. Dante Moore throwing for 257 yards, two touchdowns. Kenyon Sadiq catching both of them. The Ducks improved their chances of making the playoffs and hosting a game. USC hasn't won in Eugene since 2011, and the Trojans have lost four straight to the Ducks.

Number 17 Texas quarterback Arch Manning had four passing touchdowns, one rushing and one receiving as his Longhorns beat Arkansas 52-37. First Texas QB with passing, rushing, and receiving touchdowns in a game and is do it all day. Showed how far he has come from the beginning of the season, when Texas struggled to a three and two start. Now their playoff hopes are alive. Manning first SEC quarterback since Dak Prescott 11 years ago to record all three TDs in a single game.

Finally, Rose Lavelle's goal lifts Gotham FC over Washington Spirit for their second NWSL title in three years. It came in the 80th minute, longest wait for a goal in a title game. Heartbreak for the Spirit, though a second consecutive defeat in the final one-nil is the final. Rose Lavelle named NWSL championship MVP. She is a world cup winner, Olympic gold medalist, and now she snags the one major trophy that had eluded her.

Victor, that is sweet as gravy, apparently in a squeeze bottle these days.

BLACKWELL: Get your moist maker. All right, Coy, thanks so much.

WIRE: You got it.

BLACKWELL: So, Plymouth, Massachusetts kicked off the holiday week with their parade. It's billed as America's hometown Thanksgiving parade. There was a replica of the mayflower, a giant turkey, pilgrim reenactors.

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Make sure you join CNN's Thanksgiving morning for live coverage of the biggest parades across the country. There will be performances by the Four Tops, Brad Paisley, the Temptations, and more. Live coverage of Thanksgiving in America starts Thursday at 8:00 a.m. Eastern on CNN, and you can watch on the CNN app.

Last look at weather. You got 10 seconds.

CHRIS WARREN, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well, we got some storms moving into Texas. Chance for some flooding. Not too bad this week for travel.

BLACKWELL: Not too bad --

WARREN: Too bad --

BLACKWELL: -- is the market headline.

WARREN: Could be worse.

BLACKWELL: Could be worse.

Thanks for joining us this morning.

"INSIDE POLITICS SUNDAY" with Manu Raju is up next.