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Trial Attorney Kelly Hyman is Interviewed about the Tate Brothers Case; Possibility of Mark Kelly Running for President; Rep. Jonathan Jackson (D-IL) is Interviewed about Iran, Israel and Cuba. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired July 21, 2026 - 06:30   ET

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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everybody. I'm Audie Cornish. Thank you for joining me on CNN THIS MORNING.

It's half past the hour. And here's what's happening right now.

Defense secretary Pete Hegseth is set to testify before the Senate today alongside the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Dan Caine. And they're set to face questions about the White House's ask of an additional $87 billion to fund the U.S. war against Iran.

And the president of Lebanon set to meet with President Trump at the White House today. Now, this is part of a four-day trip to Washington, pushing to get Israeli troops out of Lebanon. The two leaders are expected to discuss security and a possible diplomatic path forward.

President Trump announced a 50 percent tariff on most Canadian goods, including electrical equipment and machinery. It's the steepest tariff the administration has imposed on any country. The White House citing a law that allows such tariffs when a country discriminates against American goods. The law has not been applied in this way before. In the meantime, these tariffs go into effect in 30 days.

And social media influencers Andrew and Tristan Tate are looking to President Trump for help as they fight their possible extradition to the U.K. The brothers appeared in federal court in Florida Monday after being arrested over the weekend on a slew of sex crimes that they're facing in the U.K. Now, in court yesterday, their attorney appealed to the Trump administration, calling out Secretary of State Marco Rubio by name to help keep them in the states. A senior State Department official said Monday they have not spoken to the Tates, and they have no plans to get involved. The Tate's attorney is saying Trump needs to help because he can relate.

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JOSEPH MCBRIDE, TATE BROTHERS' ATTORNEY: The man that I voted for office, who's currently in office, had millions of charges slandered against him all over the place. Some of them he beat. Some of them he didn't beat. Most people who understand the process know that that was a load of crap. Most people who see this for what it is know that it is the same exact thing.

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CORNISH: Joining me now, trial attorney Kelly Hyman.

So, Kelly, first, help me understand the extradition process. These are charges that come from the U.K. And how could Marco Rubio step in?

KELLY HYMAN, TRIAL ATTORNEY: So, there is a treaty between the U.S. and the U.K. And so, what that treaty means is the U.K. is asking for them to be brought back to the U.K. for charges. Now, there's a judge that hears the case. And there's two key elements that the judge looks at. One is in regards to the charges. Now, are the charges something that they could be charged in the U.S. And so such as sex trafficking, rape, assault, those are charges in the U.S. and so that requirement, that element is met.

The second one is probable cause. And what that means is, based on the evidence presented by the prosecutor, is there a reasonable basis that the defendants committed these charges and they are the ones that committed these charges as well. And so, once that happens, if in fact the judge believes there's probable cause, then they can be extradited, but it can go through the appeals process. But before they're extradited, the secretary of state, Marco Rubio, needs to sign off on the warrant. So, if he doesn't sign off on the warrant, then they're not extradited to the U.K.

CORNISH: I want to play for you and for the audience just a sense of how they talk publicly because they are best known as commentators. And here's a sample.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's about the fact that she belongs to him. And the intimate parts of her body belong to him because they're in a relationship. And if she wants to sell those, he has a stake in those parts of her body.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't slander me, because I will state right now that I am absolutely sexist and I'm absolutely a misogynist.

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CORNISH: I think that there's a world of people who support Tate, who say he's being gone after for his views and his political views, and that that, in particular, can be harsher in the U.K. How do you see these charges? What do they reflect about actual U.K. questions of crimes?

HYMAN: So, when we look at the legal requirements in the U.K., what exactly they're being charged with, they are being charged with rape. They are being charged with sex trafficking. They are being charged with assault. We have to remember that these are serious charges. As someone that represents victims of sex trafficking and human trafficking, these are very graphic detail that they go through and they tell. And according to what has been reported, that these women assert that they have been choked, that they have been raped, that they have been beaten.

Now, from the defense standpoint, they are innocent until proven guilty. And they're saying that they are being prosecuted because of their political speech. And that's definitely one of the arguments that defense is going to make in regards to the extradition, that it's totally politically motivated, that it's a political job, and try and convince the judge that they should not be extradited.

CORNISH: So, just to be clear, this extradition conversation really matters. This is not some pro forma thing, as in, if they are successful in preventing this extradition, then that means the U.K. can't go after them ever again. I mean could a U.S. court go after them?

HYMAN: They are being investigated on so many fronts. They are being investigated in the -- in the U.S., in Florida. They have charges in Romania and the U.K. So, now what's key is you talk about, in regards to the extradition, they -- when they sign off on the warrant, they are specific charges. And only those charges that -- signed off and whether that's sex trafficking or that's rape are going to be tried in the U.K. So, if they're not extradited on specific charges, then the U.K. defense will argue that they cannot charge them of those charges.

CORNISH: OK. Kelly Hyman, I know it's complicated. I really appreciate you explaining to us. Hope to have you back.

So, next I want to turn to 2028. Arizona Senator Mark Kelly is being talked about at least in a new article from "The Atlantic." It talks about him as, quote, "a wing man." The article points to his resume and the goodwill he has accrued as the spouse of Gabby Giffords. Kelly is a retired Navy pilot, as well as a former astronaut. He's an outspoken critic of President Trump and the administration.

The group chat is back.

He's got a solid resume, right? Can you talk about -- but he was vetted at one point for vice president. What happened there because he didn't get that one?

EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE, CNN SENIOR REPORTER: Well, that was 2024, that very rush process. And he was one of the three finalists. He had an interview with Kamala Harris. But, obviously, he was not the one picked.

The -- one of the questions that Kelly faces is, obviously, there -- as you went through, there's a lot of biography to him that could be appealing to people. But as I've spent time with him and reported about him, what is brought up is, is he going to be able to just distinguish himself as a political player, as a government player? He doesn't have much of a legislative record of things that have gotten done, but he does have this fight with Pete Hegseth that has distinguished him, that came from --

CORNISH: Yes. And just reminding people that it's a high-profile feud because Kelly and other lawmakers basically were advising service members in a kind of public service video saying do not -- you don't have to follow unlawful orders.

DOVERE: They did a video that -- right.

CORNISH: And ever since then, he has been embroiled in this fight over maintaining his pension, et cetera. With Hegseth.

DOVERE: Right. And so he and these other members just read the military code. But Hegseth has targeted him in a lot of ways. He's tried to get his pension, tried to get his rank stripped. And, look, I spent time with Kelly a couple of months ago when he was talking about how this fight had really made him rethink whether he could run for president and be that person himself. And when you look at what Democrats are going to be thinking about going into 2028, a big piece of it is, how have you fought Donald Trump, and what do you have to show for it?

CORNISH: Let me bring in these guys. Does he have money to show for it?

CHUCK ROCHA, FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO BERNIE SANDERS' 2016 AND 2020 CAMPAIGNS: He's raised a lot of money off of that.

CORNISH: Yes.

ROCHA: Almost that singularly. But also I will say that most folks who run for president, I don't remember anybody ever getting elected president because of their policy portfolio, or we would have a president Elizabeth Warren.

CORNISH: Right.

ROCHA: Remember, I have a policy for that. Presidents are elected on different things. And this is about being a fighter. Think about a Barack Obama, inspirational. Think about Donald Trump, listen to the Democrat here, because he would inspire new people to show up. That's the part in the political operative mind that Kelly's missing. He has maybe the most perfect resume ever, but is he inspirational on the stump?

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CORNISH: Yes. So, a perfect resume --

ASHLEY DAVIS, FORMER HOMELAND SECURITY OFFICIAL: That's -- yes.

CORNISH: Plus $25 million.

DAVIS: Yes. And $25 million these days for a political campaign is nothing for president.

But I also think that you're exactly right. I don't know if he has that umph. I mean like, obviously, people like AOC brings people out to the stump and listens to it.

But here's my thing. I'm not convinced, Isaac, that people running in 2028 run against Trump and that's going to be enough. Like, Trump's gone.

DOVERE: No, I don't think it will be enough. I think but -- it will be part of the calculation for Democrats. And -- but part of it is also going to be, who can inspire them, who can make them feel like there is a page to turn.

And, look, Mark Kelly is not the most dynamic speaker.

DAVIS: Right, that's the bigger issue.

DOVERE: To Chuck's point.

DAVIS: Yes.

DOVERE: And can he become that person? Part of it is that he's a Navy guy, an astronaut.

CORNISH: Yes.

DOVERE: That's what he did. He was very careful about everything.

CORNISH: And can I point out, out of the 45 men who have been U.S. presidents, 31 have had a military record or has served. He is a decorated former veteran. I think it's interesting that right now Democrats are looking to all these dudes who have jobs that you say you want to have when you grow up when you're a six year old boy. It's like, I'm going to be an astronaut. I'm going to cut down trees. You know what I mean?

ROCHA: I'm going to be a (INAUDIBLE).

CORNISH: Yes, I'm going to be a fisherman. Like, it feels as though, in the hunt for manly men --

DAVIS: Yes.

CORNISH: Like there's anybody who, you know, has that energy is kind of an option.

DAVIS: Yes, I -- go ahead. I mean, I also just don't know --

ROCHA: There's one piece that we're missing.

DAVIS: Yes. What?

ROCHA: And it's the most important piece that we're all missing is --

DAVIS: What?

ROCHA: You have to win in a Democratic primary before you can win a general election.

CORNISH: You don't think he can win a --

DAVIS: No, I don't think so.

DOVERE: Well, and, look, what Kelly has, very importantly --

CORNISH: Yes.

DOVERE: Is he's won these two Senate races in Arizona.

CORNISH: Right.

DOVERE: Right, back to back races in a state that Democrats basically need to at least have on the table, if not win for 2028.

CORNISH: And where the biggest fights over --

ROCHA: But you have to win the primary before you can do that.

CORNISH: You don't think he can win the primary. You keep saying this.

ROCHA: I'm saying that anybody's got to win the primary, you've got to win amongst (ph) the Democrats.

CORNISH: You're saying -- you -- are you saying you don't think he is well positioned?

ROCHA: All of these folks come to me and they're like, this guy, and this person and this or the firefighter or the whatever. You've got to win to -- take it from the Bernie guy that got beat by Joe Biden. You've got to win the primary first.

DAVIS: Well, this is my point. If the Democratic establishment sees AOC or someone like that taking off, and they want someone boring because the country is tired of the, you know, Trump days --

CORNISH: Yes.

DAVIS: Kelly is that stable and a boring --

CORNISH: The standard for boring has changed so much.

DOVERE: I mean boring has got you in the space.

CORNISH: Yes.

DAVIS: No, I don't mean -- but, you know what, he's not like --

DOVERE: And his wife was almost assassinated.

CORNISH: That seems not that boring, actually.

ROCHA: Right. Absolutely.

CORNISH: But, yes, yes --

DAVIS: You know my point. CORNISH: Less chaos.

DAVIS: Yes, sure, less chaos.

CORNISH: For sure, less chaos.

DAVIS: I mean, serious.

ROCHA: If there's just two people running, that's the point. But if there are six, you can win this thing with 30 percent in a primary.

DAVIS: But does the establish get behind him because they don't want to lose (ph)?

DOVERE: And if there are 12?

ROCHA: You could win it with 18.

CORNISH: Oh, my goodness.

DAVIS: Or a Bernie.

CORNISH: Next on CNN THIS MORNING, we're going to talk about what's coming up on Capitol Hill. The defense secretary is going to be there. He's going to be defending the war in Iran. He is going to be asking for more money to continue the war in Iran. So, we're going to be talking with Congressman Jonathan Jackson, who joins the group next.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is a far bigger job that we're doing. We were doing a little job in stopping them from having a certain capability. Now we're just ending it.

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CORNISH: So, President Trump vowing revenge after the deaths of three more service members in the war with Iran. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth expected to be asked questions by senators in a hearing later this morning. He's also expected to ask for another $87 billion in emergency funding.

So, the Pentagon is also facing accusations of being slow to release casualty updates from the war. Last night the Pentagon confirmed nearly 100 injuries for U.S. service members in the past two weeks. It adds to the vast majority of those troops who have already returned to duty. Hegseth hasn't held a briefing on the war in months.

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REP. CARLOS GIMENEZ (R-FL): I think that the American people do have enough information. I certainly, in Congress, do not feel that, you know, I -- that I need any further information. I've been told what I, you know, I need to know. But, you know, if he hasn't had a news conference in two and a half months, it'd probably be a good idea to have one so that he can clarify these issues if, in fact, they are true.

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CORNISH: Joining us now in the group chat, Congressman Jonathan Jackson. He's a Democrat from Illinois, also on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

And the congressman, Gimenez, says he doesn't need more information. Do you?

REP. JONATHAN JACKSON (D-IL): Absolutely. What this administration has done is they've circumvented the normal process. So, we've got volunteers that are leading our foreign affairs, if you will. And Kushner and Witkoff, they're not coming before the United States House Foreign Affairs --

CORNISH: Meaning because they're not officially government employees.

JACKSON: They're not officially government. They're not in the State Department. They're also doing private business. So, they've not come before the Congress. And now they're asking for money. So, we don't even know who they're talking to.

So, I asked one of the diplomats from the Gulf states the other day, who is your point of contact? Is it Kushner? Is it Rubio? I've not seen Rubio over there. So, we've been in a bit of a void.

CORNISH: What did they say?

JACKSON: It was kind of hush.

CORNISH: Yes.

I want to ask you also about Hegseth wanting $87 billion for the war. Because we're in it now. And according to the late Colin Powell, that sort of -- what was it, Pottery Barn, Crate and Barrel, it was like, you break it, you bought it.

The U.S. has broken something. The Strait of Hormuz is fundamentally closed. This doesn't seem like the time to withhold money.

JACKSON: Well, we also have to talk about process. Are we in a war? Can the administration say we're in a war? If we're in a war, it has to go before the United States Congress. Therefore, we can budget it. We can discuss it. It's hard to come out right once you go in wrong. And so, they have circumvented the process. They put volunteers at the front. They've not gone before the Congress. They've not asked for any appropriations. There is no strategy. Therefore, there is no exit.

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So, they've gone in wrong and they're about to come out wrong. And so, they can't even say that it's a war. If it's a war, it has to go before the United States Congress. So, they end up going 60 days, whatever the ultimate time limit is. Then they say, oh, this is a ceasefire. It stopped. The war is over. Then they'll repackage it, relabel it, rebrand it, and then this thing continues to go on. So, their seepage is just all wrong.

CORNISH: One of the things that's interesting is, you're talking about Democrats not wanting to support this funding, right, until there's some kind of oversight. Also, House Democrats voted against aid to Israel, which is -- was our partner in entering into this war. You were among those. Can you talk about why? Because there's a lot of criticism of this vote.

JACKSON: Well, when you say they were our partner, are they still our partner? You can't start a fight and then stop it and then figure out who's not going to be on first base. It was a joint venture operation when they first went in to attack Iran, and now you don't see Israel at the front. We just want some clarification.

And so, the fighting has to stop sometime. We have to get peace back on the agenda. Where is the process for peace? Peace isn't even a discussion. You bring an interesting point on Hegseth asking for emergency funding for $84 billion.

I also serve on the Agriculture Committee. The SNAP cuts that's affecting 4.7 million people that have been cut off the rolls one year later after the one big ugly bill has passed. And 4.7 million people have lost their supplemental nutrition assistance program benefits. And now -- that was $19 billion a year. That would be five years -- almost five years of funding.

CORNISH: But what I hear is you, Jasmine Crocket, multiple people have made a version of this argument, which is, we have needs at home.

JACKSON: Yes.

CORNISH: We should be spending that money here at home. We are not. And therefore, that is why we are saying no, even in a symbolic way, to humanitarian and military aid for Israel.

Here is how Senator Fetterman saw this, and I bring it up because he's not the only one who talks this way.

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SEN. JOHN FETTERMAN (D-PA): If that becomes the Democratic platform that we will now ever vote for any aid and will turn our back on Israel, then that makes -- that makes me to make that decision as really what a Democrat should stand for, or being a part of my party.

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JACKSON: Well, I think there are two separate things you have to bifurcate. Support for Israel is one thing. Support for the Netanyahu government is separate. I do not support the leadership of Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu. CORNISH: Have Democrats done a good enough job making that

distinction, because I hear what people saying is, we're looking at anti-Semitism.

JACKSON: I don't think they've done a good enough job.

CORNISH: They're not looking and hearing a policy distinction that you are making.

JACKSON: I think blind allegiance to any government, any country, is a problem. I don't have support. I don't have the confidence in the leadership of Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu. I'm old enough to know, and I've been around long enough, having gone to Iraq with my father, Reverend Jesse Jackson, having gone into Syria, having gotten people back out of these war-torn countries, Mr. Netanyahu has been saying the same thing. He's pushed every president to try to go into Iran. And Mr. Trump is the first one to go in.

And I think the president has been ill advised by some of his senior staff around him. And I think there's some people that may be profiting that are working for the president, that are volunteers, that aren't giving him the best information. So, I have a strong support for Israel. I do not have confidence in Mr. Netanyahu.

DOVERE: Do you think that it -- there's a reason, though, that aid to other countries has not been discussed in the same way, even of countries that have leaders that Democrats have problems with, like Viktor Orban? Why do you think that there's this specific focus on Israel aid?

JACKSON: Because it's more than half of the U.S. foreign aid. So, it's the largest recipient.

DOVERE: But not -- but the rest, even if it's more than half, the rest isn't part of the conversation at all?

JACKSON: Well, they're not currently engaged in the war. We don't have a joint venture operation going into Iran. So, I'm a supporter of the country. I want to see the people there live peacefully. I know they have the right to exist. I just have a problem. I do believe, with other members of my colleagues, with the leadership of Mr. Netanyahu.

DOVERE: Do you think their Israeli elections in the fall, if Netanyahu is no longer the prime minister, that Democrats will change their position on this?

JACKSON: I wouldn't speculate on that, but I would see that that would be a sign of hope.

CORNISH: Can I ask you something about another place money is going? Apparently, the U.S. is launching $100 million in aid flights to Havana. I know you have spent a good amount of time in Cuba as the U.S. has ramped up sanctions in an effort to oust the government there. Do you think this $100 million in humanitarian aid is enough? It sounds like a lot. It could be helpful. JACKSON: Well, I was in Cuba over the Easter period for Good Friday

from April 1st through April 4th. And I've been to Cuba almost 30 years ago, ten years ago. And what I've seen down there is absolutely devastating. Ten million people are now suffering.

As we try to open up the Strait of Hormuz, saying that the world needs free-flowing oil, at the same time we have put an embargo around the island of Cuba. That's an act of war. We have to ask ourselves, how many theaters of war are we going to engage in? People are dying.

When I go into a maternity ward in Cuba and see low birth weight babies not being able to get the oxygen and the materials that they need, that's an act of war.

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CORNISH: But you see this as opening up another front. You're saying an act of war. You're saying --

JACKSON: It's an -- it's an embargo. And by definition, if you do a naval blockade around a country, that's an act of war. And so, yes. And for the lives that are lost there, what are we expecting, 10 million people to die? Are we asking Cubans to come here? And so, I don't think we should be in the business of regime change, overthrowing governments. It doesn't work. It's not a happy ending. This is the same thing that they promised and, quote/unquote, a quick and decisive strike going into Iran. They said, we're going to kill the leaders. We're going to kill their second generation. We're going to tell the people to get to the streets. And what's happened? Absolutely nothing. We're on day 143 and it's getting worse.

CORNISH: I want to ask you about something that is not related to international relations, but it is something everybody asks me about.

JACKSON: Yes.

CORNISH: And it is the cyclospora outbreak with lettuce.

JACKSON: Very important.

CORNISH: I mean, it is a thing. We -- the latest news -- we've had the product recalls, but then also a false positive test from inspectors over the weekend. False positives happen, but people have also raised questions about the budget cuts to these departments and thing like that. So, as someone on House Agriculture Committee, what do you -- what have you been thinking about this?

JACKSON: Well, I think the budget cuts have been devastating. I do have confidence --

CORNISH: But are you eating lettuce? Like, where is your mind on that?

JACKSON: No. I -- well, I care for soup these days. I would stay away from the lettuce right now.

CORNISH: Does the U.S. owe Taylor Foods an apology? JACKSON: Sure they do. And what's happened is, the DOGE cuts, they

came in for 100 and some days, whatever the limit was on going into -- say they're going to have government efficiency. And it's been an absolute disaster. So, they've underfunded these agencies. There were processes in place. There was a great secretary of agriculture in Brooke Rollins. But their hands have been strapped. Mr. Trump let this, if you will, wild mongoose in Mr. Elon Musk go into a chicken coop and then just kill all the chickens and then say, you all run the agency. There are not enough people in there now. So --

CORNISH: Yes. I appreciate the metaphors because you did stay on the farm at least, you know.

Because you're here. We like to get in people's group chats. I'm going to start with Ashley and Chuck. What's going on?

DAVIS: You go first.

ROCHA: Mine is going to these cuts you were talking about. Think about our national parks. If you've been watching the TV recently, there is a system in the national parks where you're supposed to get in line, when we keep so many people going to the national parks. Well, everybody knows I climbed Half Dome last year, and I was horrified over the weekend to see the lines going up single file steps up Half Dome that I climbed, because when I had to do it, I had to sign up a year in advance to get a ticket to make sure there wasn't too many people on the side of that mountain. Donald Trump's just said, all of you go.

CORNISH: Oh.

DAVIS: (INAUDIBLE). I thought you were talking about the bison.

ROCHA: And the bison. Now he's running wild. Same thing. National parks is national parks.

DAVIS: The bison is much funnier.

CORNISH: OK.

DAVIS: OK. I am trying something new tomorrow. I am going to a WNBA basketball game.

CORNISH: Hey.

DAVIS: And the Mystics in Indianapolis.

CORNISH: Look at you.

DAVIS: I have to go there for a meeting, and I'm going to see what's all this fuss is about.

CORNISH: Oh, just wait. And wait till the, like, little half time show and the like mascots. It's lit, as the kids say.

DAVIS: Well, I've got Sophie and I have Caitlin that both play for -- CORNISH: I love it. Are you bringing your teen boys? That like big --

DAVIS: I am bringing two of them because, you know, I think they all have a crush on Sophie.

CORNISH: Because -- take a photo. They need to know what's up.

OK, what's in your group chat, Congressman?

JACKSON: Well, listen, 30 miles just south of the city of Chicago, in the first congressional district, there are bison. There's 74 bison in the first congressional district.

CORNISH: Are you serious?

JACKSON: I'm very serious. And so, I'm very excited about that.

DAVIS: Are they privately owned.

CORNISH: I know. Are they roaming? Like --

JACKSON: Oh, no, it's federal lands. And so, it's the middle one. So, if people in the Chicagoland area, please go out there and see it. And you go a little further south to Kankakee, you can see eagles. So, the first district has eagles and we have bison in the city of Chicago.

CORNISH: I love it.

JACKSON: Well, just outside the city of Chicago.

Group chat, I'm very much -- we've been so thrilled about soccer. There's so many analogies. I want to come back and talk with you about it. We have to let more American children play. We should not make this an exclusive elite sport where it's costing $6,000, $10,000, $15,000. Children --

CORNISH: Oh, to join the clubs and do all the things. Yes, that's fair.

JACKSON: And we shouldn't because our best talent doesn't make the field. When you see children coming from abject poverty and getting into the highest level of their country representing them, that's what America is supposed to be. Let's make sure we open those doors.

And I also have a special prayer for our service members that are patrolling the streets of Washington, D.C. It is hot. And when I see men and women out there in full gear --

CORNISH: Right.

JACKSON: In 100 degrees, that's just cruel and mean. And somebody has to say, let those service men and women go home. They didn't sign up for this. And they don't have a summer outfit and a winter outfit.

CORNISH: No, no, but it's turned into a long term assignment, needless to say -- JACKSON: Yes.

CORNISH: Despite the lack of danger.

Also.

DOVERE: I'll keep it on the wildlife theme. Check out the videos of the beluga whales being lifted out of the -- there's a park in Canada that closed down and they've had to save 30 beluga whales. It's really -- it's quite a thing to see.

CORNISH: Oh. Wait, are they OK?

DOVERE: Yes, they're making them OK, but --

CORNISH: OK.

DOVERE: But it's -- there are people who spend their lives figuring out whale transport. And this is what it comes up to.

DAVIS: How do you lift a whale?

CORNISH: I don't know. Carefully.

ROCHA: With a crane (INAUDIBLE).

CORNISH: Carefully.

ROCHA: Probably. That's part of -- they got a redneck down there with a crane.

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DAVIS: Oh, my God.

ROCHA: Get this satchel and put it on. It's like when you move cows in a corral.

DAVIS: I -- maybe that's what you should do instead of political consulting.

ROCHA: Oh, I would love that a lot more. Absolutely.

CORNISH: Chuck, saving the whales. I like that.

You guys, thank you so much.

Congressman, thank you for being here, as always.

JACKSON: Thank you. Thank you, Audie.

CORNISH: You always play and have a good time.

We've got lots of serious headlines next, I promise. So, stick around. I'm Audie Cornish.