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GOP Pushing Restrictions on Naturalized Citizens; Jurors Deliberate in Clancy Case; Utah Governor Claims Biden Considered Trump Pardon; Jelly Roll Poking Fun at Trump. Aired 6:30-7a ET
Aired August 28, 2026 - 06:30 ET
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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: The Trump administration is pushing an America first agenda. Now, some Republicans think that that should go as far as who can and cannot run for office. "The Atlantic" is reporting that several states are now targeting citizens that they deem not American enough. The proposals in Alabama, Kentucky and Tennessee would restrict naturalized and dual citizens from running for office, including sheriff, governor, even the school board. Now, some of those bills have already died in committee. Meanwhile, Congresswoman Nancy Mace says she's looking to take it a bit further. She's put forth a bill that would require members of Congress, federal judges and cabinet members to be natural born citizens.
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REP. NANCY MACE (R-SC): We want to make sure that America is run by American patriots. And if the president has to be natural born, so too should members of Congress, so too should our judges. That's what my legislation was about. But we shouldn't stop there in Congress. Every single state across the country should ban foreigners or foreign born individuals from being governor, from being lieutenant governor, from serving in state legislatures.
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CORNISH: Group chat is back.
I want to ask, when will I be American? I'm a naturalized citizen.
JASON RANTZ, HOST, "THE JASON RANTZ SHOW: You are an American. You should ask Nancy Mace that question. I mean she does not represent --
CORNISH: Like, when is it enough?
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RANTZ: She does not represent the mainstream of Republicans or Americans on this particular topic at all. This is being pursued by a small group of folks who are very loud. And to your point, a lot of the bills are already dead. So, this is one of those issues that I think is a bad look when you're able to push it upon all Republicans. But all Republicans clearly do not hold this view.
CORNISH: Is this about Mamdani?
RANTZ: There is a point on the dual citizenship part, but beyond that, I don't think that -- look, if you're an American citizen, that is enduring, and I love the fact that there are people who are coming here.
CORNISH: But not a naturalized one. What they're saying is you weren't born here and therefore --
RANTZ: A naturalized -- you are a citizen. You deserve rights. You deserve respect for agreeing with our culture, our values, our principles, and everything we stand for in this country. And this is a disgraceful bill by a disgraceful Nancy Mace, who's been rejected by Republicans. Go away.
CORNISH: Oh, can't -- OK.
I want to mention Mayor Mamdani because people have actually asked him about his presidential ambitions.
NOEL KING, CO-HOST AND EDITORIAL DIRECTOR, "TODAY, EXPLAINED" PODCAST: Yes. And --
CORNISH: So, I think that's worth noting here.
Let's play his answer and then, Noel, you kick us off.
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JONATHAN KARL, ABC NEWS: OK. So, we're just about out of time. I got to ask you. I noticed that you're turning 35 soon, right?
MAYOR ZOHRAN MAMDANI (D), NEW YORK CITY: In a few months, yes.
KARL: So, you now hit one of the constitutional requirements to run for president. But there's another one that says you have to be a natural born citizen. You were not born here.
MAMDANI: Yes.
KARL: But do you think that's a -- that's a -- something that should be changed in the Constitution? It would take an amendment. But do you think that that's -- we should change that?
MAMDANI: No.
KARL: No?
MAMDANI: I think the Constitution looks good the way it is.
KARL: Just the way it is?
MAMDANI: Just the way it is.
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CORNISH: Open laughter. Appreciate it.
KING: Yes. I mean he can't be clearer than that. No, don't change the Constitution. I sort of wish people would stop asking him about this. I mean he has said, he has given his answer, and it just feels weirdly distracting. So --
CORNISH: No, no, no. Here's Shane Baker, Kentucky state house. This was in January. I want to play it for you.
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SHANE BAKER (R), KENTUCKY STATE HOUSE: If we truly care about the people, the future for the people, we want to make sure that we have a good, safe environment and people who are committed to western values and western society.
And you can see the direction that Mamdani's trying to take some things in New York City, and, you know, he's come up with a number of different proposals that are very questionable.
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KING: So, win elections. Like, this is the thing. Yes, the reporting suggests that this is about Mamdani winning in New York and some segment of Republicans, though certainly not all, are very concerned. And it's like, well, he wasn't born here, so let's make this a thing. Win the election. If you don't like the squad, win the election. Like, this is not that hard. Do better.
CORNISH: I swear I didn't --
SAWYER HACKETT, CONTENT CREATOR: Yes, I mean --
CORNISH: Go away. Do better. What's your take?
HACKETT: My entire life I've heard conservatives just say, you know, I wish people would come here legally. I wish they would do this the legal way. Like, I support legal immigration, I just don't support illegal immigration.
And, you know, it's not just this pack of -- a small group of lawmakers that are trying to ban, you know, naturalized citizens. Donald Trump has de-documented more people than he's deported since he's taken office.
CORNISH: De-documented?
HACKETT: He has taken away visas or denaturalized hundreds of thousands of people who were on TPS, who were -- who had certain parole programs or visa programs. He has -- he has taken away a path to citizenship that they were already on. He has taken that away from more people than he has actually deported. So, this assault on citizenship, on American, you know, identity is broader than just this small group of people. CORNISH: Yes.
HACKETT: And it reminds me of that quote from Ronald Reagan when he left office saying, you can go live in France but you can't become a Frenchman, but anybody can come to live in the United States and become American. And that is just not true in the Republican Party.
CORNISH: But that was their -- but that's what they say is a problem --
RANTZ: But the difference between Temporary Protected Status does not --
CORNISH: Yes.
RANTZ: I mean that is a completely separate issue from this.
CORNISH: But -- no, I'm glad you're bringing that up, because it's also, to me, there's this talk a lot about western values and western culture and the idea that by definition you coming from another country are a person who's bringing other values that dilute or poison whatever community they're in.
HACKETT: The blood and soil of America.
CORNISH: That is how Haitians are talked about.
RANTZ: So --
CORNISH: That is how Somalis in Minnesota were talked about. That the mere presence of them brought a different value system. And I feel like that is what is reflected in this movement finding some kind of bill.
RANTZ: I think part of this movement is responding to folks who don't seem to like this country and want to change some of the basic positions --
CORNISH: But some of those are Americans already. Some of those are white Americans.
RANTZ: And people push -- I mean are we arguing conservatives don't push back against that as well? We clearly do.
CORNISH: But you're not arguing to strip them of citizenship.
RANTZ: Well, you can't strip a citizen that already --
CORNISH: They might try. I mean --
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HACKETT: That really (ph) is not going to happen.
CORNISH: I mean there is -- birthright citizenship was an executive order. KING: Right. How far can he go there?
HACKETT: Donald Trump has de-naturalized tens of thousands of people. That's a fact.
RANTZ: Who are some of the people who he has de-naturalized?
HACKETT: College students who have spoken out about Charlie Kirk.
RANTZ: People -- yes, college students who have -- no, college students who have supported Hamas coming into this country and doing --
HACKETT: Oh, come on.
RANTZ: I mean, we can have an argument about whether or not that's an appropriate response.
HACKETT: Or legal, yes.
RANTZ: But the idea that it's just coming out of nowhere because they're other is very clearly not true. There are plenty of people, many people in this country right now who are, quote/unquote, other who are not being de-naturalized or stripped of any kind of citizenship.
HACKETT: But they want to.
CORNISH: But under this kind of legislation they would be.
RANTZ: That is unpopular. That no one supports outside of like ten people. Let's ask Trump. Let's ask Trump about this.
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CORNISH: OK. I hope so, Jason.
RANTZ: It's true. It's true.
CORNISH: What if I want to run for office? I'm going to come back and find you.
RANTZ: Have at it.
CORNISH: All right, next on CNN THIS MORNING, we're turning to this, Jelly Roll. He made Trump the punch line. MAGA's not happy.
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JELLY ROLL, MUSICIAN: Look, y'all, I get it that some people are mad at me for goofing on Trump. But if you wanted me to make jokes about Kamala Harris, you should have voted for her.
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CORNISH: And we're going to talk about more on the message he has for the people coming for him.
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CORNISH: We are now at the point where we are watching for a verdict in the Lindsay Clancy case. Jury deliberations will continue in a few hours. And this is, of course, of the Massachusetts mom who is accused of killing her three children.
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Defense attorneys argue that she was in the grip of postpartum psychosis.
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KEVIN REDDINGTON, LINDSAY CLANCY'S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: My God, what does she have to do? She was reaching out for help, and she was not getting it.
This young lady is not guilty of the killing of her children because she was suffering from a disease and defect.
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CORNISH: Prosecutors argue the murders were intentional.
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JENNIFER SPRAGUE, ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY: You know that she knew the difference between right and wrong during that time.
She killed them. And she left them there, on the floor, with the bands around their necks. She didn't bring them up to their beds and put them with their favorite stuffed animal, and cover them up gently and lovingly, leaving them peacefully there. No, she left them discarded on the basement floor like broken toys because she was done playing the game.
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CORNISH: Joining the group chat, we're bringing in Alyse Adamson, former federal prosecutor, host of the "At-lyse You Heard it Here" podcast.
I'm really glad you're here.
These jurors, I think it is nine women, three men, what are being asked to do by the prosecution?
ALYSE ADAMSON, HOST, "AT-LYSE YOU HEARD IT HERE" PODCAST: Well, by the prosecution, they're being asked to find that Lindsay Clancy knew the difference between right and wrong when she committed the murders and thus convict her of first-degree murder. And, of course, the defense is asking them to find her not guilty by a lack of criminal responsibility because she -- CORNISH: Lack of criminal responsibility. OK. And the judge actually gave some instructions. If the jury were, for instance, to find Clancy not guilty, this is what he said the next steps would be.
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JUDGE WILLIAM SULLIVAN, PLYMOUTH COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT: If the defendant is found not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility, the district attorney, or another appropriate authority, may, and generally does, petition the court to commit the defendant to a mental health facility or to Bridgewater State Hospital.
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CORNISH: So, not just walking out of the building.
ADAMSON: That's right, Audie. That's what is very different about this case versus other cases. Usually when you get a not guilty or acquitted, you walk out the door. Here, by lack of criminal responsibility, it means that she was temporarily insane. And so, the state will then go to commitment proceedings to demonstrate that she still poses a danger to herself and to society. So, if she was found not guilty by lack of criminal responsibility, there'd be an immediate 40 day evaluation period to see how long she would have to remain committed to a state hospital. So, she's not going to be walking out the door, regardless of the outcome.
CORNISH: This is not a legal question, but we often talk about the -- how the atmosphere changes when it comes to legal issues. We've talked about the MeToo movement. We talked about the Didi trial.
In this case I was thinking of Andrea Yates. Twenty-five years ago she killed her five children. And the public reaction was very, very different and different circumstances. But what did you see in the way people reacted to this trial? Because there are some who say that you could see it in how the prosecution behaved in the closing, that sort of acknowledging that there was some kind of sympathy there.
ADAMSON: Yes, I think we've come a long way when it comes to mental health since the Andrea Yates trial. I think it was very clear that Clancy was suffering.
But that being said, the crime was horrific. And I think that's why we're seeing a split. Some people are saying, well, we need more maternal health care because postpartum psychosis is real. But most sufferers do not do what Lindsay Clancy did. And so, I think that's why we're seeing kind of polarized opinions. But I do think that the discourse has shifted because we do recognize that mental health is a real issue and that we do need to come further with treatments.
CORNISH: OK, thank you so much.
I want you to stick around. We're going to turn to some other things. This is vaguely legal. It's about pardoning. What if Joe Biden actually pardoned President Trump instead of
prosecuting him? So, according to this new book, this time from Utah Governor Spencer Cox, that was almost closer to reality than you might think. Now, Cox says he pitched the idea to President Biden during a presidential visit to Utah in 2023. And then the governor at the time said he argued that it could help unify the country. And "to Cox's surprise, Biden perked up at the suggestion. You know, I've actually considered this for a while, Biden said. In fact, just this week as we were lying in bed, Jill and I had a long conversation about it. Biden said that although people were, quote, demanding justice for Trump, he would seriously consider a pardon."
The group chat is back.
I don't love what if, but this one's pretty specific and has implications for sort of how we could have gone forward differently out of the Biden era.
Sawyer, what do you think of Cox's story?
HACKETT: Yes, I mean, first, we don't know if this is indeed a true story, a true account --
CORNISH: You're casting doubt on the Utah governor's story. OK.
HACKETT: But honestly, I don't -- I don't deny it. It sounds like Joe Biden.
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It sounds like a conversation that Joe Biden would have. And honestly, I think it kind of fits right within the frame that Joe Biden had about Donald Trump, which was kind of incredibly naive about, you know, the dangers that he posed to the country. He thought that Republicans would have this epiphany about Trump at a certain point that has obviously never taken place.
And you know, what if happens, I'm not really sure, maybe Donald Trump doesn't decide to kind of head down this like maximalist, prosecute all of your enemies path if he's handed a pardon. I have my doubts about that given how we've seen he's acted in office so far.
CORNISH: And how he believes he was treated.
RANTZ: Well, and progressives would have exploded. They would not have allowed this. I mean you -- they clearly -- they clearly would have gone crazy. They -- the whole message from that party was, we need to put him in jail so he doesn't run for president and then become president again. That was --
HACKETT: And look what happened.
RANTZ: Yes, look what's happened. I'm grateful that we didn't go ahead and put the guy who was going to be nominated and then going to be elected to the next president in jail simply because we disagreed with him politically. And that's exactly -- HACKETT: No, simply because he committed a lot of crimes.
RANTZ: But he didn't commit any crimes because if he did he would have actually --
HACKETT: He was convicted on 34 felony counts.
CORNISH: Wait. Hold on. We're on legal stuff. Did he commit any crimes?
ADAMSON: Well, we don't know because he never went to trial. But we know that there was probable cause because he was indicted. So, I think that there was evidence that --
RANTZ: It was an indictment.
ADAMSON: Hey, I'm just doing the legal part.
CORNISH: Yes.
RANTZ: Yes, but that's my point is that --
CORNISH: We'll fact check.
RANTZ: We make these claims that he's a fascist, he's a Nazi, he's committing crimes, he's going to -- he's an authoritarian. He's going to put people in internment camps. All of these things. You're ratcheting up the rhetoric that ends up leading to violence. And Joe Biden had an opportunity --
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CORNISH: Wasn't this Spencer's point, though? Yes.
KING: This point I will say -- this -- you guys, this is the thing here. Whether you agree with it or not, I think the conversation probably happened. Spencer Cox has never seemed like a liar.
RANTZ: He's not (INAUDIBLE).
KING: Everybody is trying to figure out a way to take the temperature down in this country. Like we are in need of ideas, frankly.
HACKETT: Except for Trump. Except for Trump.
RANTZ: Do you believe that? Do you think everyone is trying to do that? I think some are, no doubt, but I think everyone is --
KING: Everyone is an exaggeration.
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CORNISH: Do you hear the volume here. This is what we're talking about.
RANTZ: Well, but there's a lively conversation. CORNISH: It is. It is.
RANTZ: But we all respect each other and it's civil.
CORNISH: We have a lively conversation. But the point is, when Nixon left and he got the pardon, the idea is like somehow this open public act of forgiveness is a healing act.
RANTZ: Sure.
KING: Yes. There you go.
CORNISH: And I --
HATCHETT: It was a very --
CORNISH: What I think you're saying is, that would not have worked here.
HATCHETT: It was the beginning of a path that led to Donald Trump.
CORNISH: It would not have been healing.
HATCHETT: Who was committing crimes and then giving our blessing to them.
CORNISH: Well, let me turn your rage on someone else. Jelly Roll. He is feeling the anger of MAGA Republicans. It's not clear which way the artist leans politically. So, the right erupted this week, calling him a traitor for poking fun at President Trump while guest hosting for Jimmy Kimmel.
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JELLY ROLL, ARTIST: Think about this, y'all. In the last few years, I've lost 300 pounds. That means I've lost an entire Donald Trump. And let's be honest, based on his approval ratings, it seems like most of the country wants to do the same thing.
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CORNISH: Never mind this feels truly random. Fill in host gig. But I was today years old when I learned that back in the day people were very upset with Jelly Roll for his Grammy speech, which they thought was MAGA adjacent because he took a swipe at Bad Bunny. Jelly Roll fans saying, quote, they are "heartbroken" after he joins Kid Rock's controversial "Rock the Country" festival. He could have pulled a Sydney Sweeney. He did not.
KING: Jelly Roll fans. Just get one of them on. Sorry, sorry Jelly Roll.
CORNISH: This side of the table.
RANTZ: Jelly Roll to Sydney Sweeney.
CORNISH: No, no, the idea that people can come to you and say, you're a MAGA and you're hiding it.
RANTZ: Sure.
CORNISH: And then you somehow have to give an answer and behave as though this is an accountability moment when it's your personal --
RANTZ: Ironic.
CORNISH: OK. So, she didn't do this, right? She just went on with her lingerie line and he became Kimmel for a night. Like, that is a totally different energy.
ADAMSON: He's just an entertainer. I mean, I think that was his response. He says, I'm a former felon and a former drug dealer, and this is what you're stunned at? I mean, we need to be able to laugh at ourselves. And I think the problem is, political comedy in general is now being attacked, right? It's like, is it dead was one of the questions. And I said, you know, I think it's been on life support. Will this be what ultimately kills it?
CORNISH: No, no it's not. Let me play for you a hilarious clip. This is from Jesse Watters on Fox News in response.
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JESSE WATTERS, FOX NEWS HOST: Next up to bat, Jelly Roll. They should put a warning label on Ozempic, side effects can include increased risk of TDS. If you notice signs like irritability, depression, and trouble sleeping, please see a doctor.
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CORNISH: Dun, dun, dun, chhh (ph).
RANTZ: That was also -- I just find it ironic because on the one hand all the liberals hated him early on, and now some of the conservatives are hating him for the opposite reasons. Everyone kind of -- when you like someone, especially on the conservative side, we don't have that many a-list celebrities who are open about their conservative nature, and people thought he was a conservative.
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So, they kind of was like, yes, we finally got one. And then to see him turn, that's where the traitor thing is coming from. I really don't care about what Jelly Roll has to say about literally anything. No one watches Jimmy Kimmel.
CORNISH: That sentence you just said was fascinating that they're --
RANTZ: It's true.
CORNISH: That you feel like there aren't as many.
RANTZ: Yes.
CORNISH: And so then you get attacked (ph).
RANTZ: For open about it.
HACKETT: I thought we were legalizing comedy. I thought that's what Donald Trump was headed back into the White House to do. I thought we were not going to be triggered like snowflakes anymore by comments by comedians in punchlines.
RANTZ: It would help if he was a little bit funnier, is all I'm saying.
HACKETT: I think once you put on that red MAGA hat, you're welcome to the camp no matter what you've said in the past. You can have trashed Donald Trump your entire life. If you put on the hat, you're welcome to the team. The second you take it off, you're dead to them.
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CORNISH: What about progressives? Are they going to be, like, welcome?
HACKETT: I think we welcome anybody who wants to be part of our coalition.
RANTZ: Which is the worst (ph) response. I love you, but that's the worst response (ph).
CORNISH: I feel like Republicans would give that response. It's the same response.
RANTZ: Well, Graham Platner, maybe pushing him out (INAUDIBLE) maybe push him out of the tent. That's all I'm saying.
CORNISH: Oh, never mind. Never mind. I'm like, they too would be magnanimous. He's like, no, they would not.
HACKETT: Hey, I don't think anyone's pushing Jelly Roll to run for office.
CORNISH: OK. Well then let's talk about what's in our group chat. Clearly mine was Jelly Roll's transition to being not MAGA. What about you?
KING: The robot Olympics. You guys have seen the videos.
CORNISH: Obsessed.
KING: All my group chats are like robots falling down, robots tripping.
CORNISH: Mine are too because my group chats are Jamaican. Don't deport me. And this beating, the Usain Bolt's record.
KING: It's a big deal. Whoa, look at him. Look at him. Look at him go.
CORNISH: Right. I mean, it's not going that well. It's not going that well, but -- KING: No. No, it's not, but it's funny.
CORNISH: Give it time. Give it time. We're ready. No, listen, we're laughing now. But when we're running from it, totally, this would be a different news show.
RANTZ: Yes. None of us can outrun any of those robots. So, we'd better hope it crashes.
CORNISH: OK. What's in your group chat?
RANTZ: So, actually, a lot of it was initially that. But overnight we learned about this sort of Chinese farming that's going on with bots pushing a lot of the data center propaganda that is --
CORNISH: Digital farming. For a minute I thought you actually meant agriculture.
RANTZ: Digital farming. Yes, not literal farming but digital.
CORNISH: Yes.
RANTZ: And, you know, I come from Seattle. This is a big issue for a lot of people. But, obviously, we're a tech sector heavy city. We put on a moratorium. And there's been a lot of concern that we are falling into a trap from the Chinese propagandists who will benefit directly if we don't build here and they're built in China.
CORNISH: Meaning the backlash.
RANTZ: The data centers, yes.
CORNISH: I've heard this, the backlash of data centers is in part somehow --
RANTZ: There's some really good points that I think like, prepare for it. You got to plan for it. You're got to do it the right way. But this initial reaction of like, we can't have these ever. And we've got to push them completely, that is a national security --
CORNISH: I think that's a (INAUDIBLE) reaction --
RANTZ: From a lot of people that are just completely against it.
CORNISH: Yes, yes, but they (INAUDIBLE). So, obviously, the initial reaction was, come on, here's some money.
RANTZ: But it was -- it was --
CORNISH: Now it's a backlash to their existence.
RANTZ: Before the propaganda is all I'm saying.
CORNISH: They have existed and people had a chance to live with them, and now they have a response. But they have been built. Let's be clear, they have been built. RANTZ: Some have.
CORNISH: OK, new guy.
HACKETT: My group chats are obviously pretty --
CORNISH: I'm just kidding, it's Sawyer.
HACKETT: Pretty boring.
CORNISH: Yes, go on.
HACKETT: As far as these are concerned. But mine is about Trump's attacks -- or, sorry, Trump's tariffs on beef that he's taking (INAUDIBLE).
CORNISH: That is in your group chat. It's just emojis of a steak.
HACKETT: I'm a -- I'm a chef.
CORNISH: You're a chef?
HACKETT: I make -- I make cooking content on Instagram, if you can to go --
KING: Really?
CORNISH: You're an influencer chef.
ADAMSON: Give us your handle.
CORNISH: Right, what is your handle?
ADAMSON: And we'll follow.
HACKETT: At Sawyer Hackett. I spent a -- I spent a lot of money on --
CORNISH: Oh, I thought it was going to be like hawkeyebeefsteak.com.
HACKETT: No. I do make cooking videos where I pair politics and cooking. It's fun.
CORNISH: Yes.
HACKETT: But about this beef. You know, Donald Trump, for two years, has told us that his tariffs aren't inflationary, that they don't cause prices to rise. And now, as we're facing this massive beef shortage and crisis with prices --
CORNISH: Yes.
HACKETT: He's eliminating tariffs on beef to lower the prices.
CORNISH: We talked about this earlier this week.
HACKETT: No, it's not beef. CORNISH: The -- well, but the cattle ranchers are upset.
RANTZ: They are.
CORNISH: So, we -- I just want to acknowledge the industry, the American side of the industry has said not great for us. So, he's not totally crazy here.
RANTZ: It's lean trimmings going into ground beef specifically. That's what this is about.
CORNISH: OK, what's your chef handle?
RANTZ: I -- (INAUDIBLE) --
CORNISH: Lean trimmings.
RANTZ: No, I -- no, the reason -- the actual reason why this matters is because the president is trying to bring down the price of ground beef, specifically. And --
CORNISH: Yes, because tariffs are some --
HACKETT: By flooding the market with unregulated, untested beef that's already been recalled.
RANTZ: But it's not -- but it's -- but it's -- so, that's not true. That's not true.
HACKETT: Thirty thousand pounds of that has already been recalled.
RANTZ: Here? Because this is not beef. We're not talking about beef. We're talking about beef trimmings.
CORNISH: Lean trimmings.
RANTZ: The reason why we're doing that is because we don't actually have that supply. That's what's actually driving the cost up.
HACKETT: Yes.
CORNISH: OK.
RANTZ: Because our cattle is --
CORNISH: Well, I hope they can make that argument to the cattle ranchers. They ain't happy.
RANTZ: Yes, it's a boring argument, I grant you that.
CORNISH: Yes. Yes.
OK, last minute to you. What's in your group chat that's not depressing or sad. Not that your beat is depressing or sad.
ADAMSON: No, it is depressing and sad. Let's be clear. CORNISH: OK. Yes.
ADAMSON: No, but mine isn't as high brows witty. It is the Oreo-gate. Have you guys heard about this?
CORNISH: Oh, we have a minute left, girl. Get it.
ADAMSON: OK. Quickly. So, it's a -- it was a group chat from a classroom where allegedly a kindergarten mom had asked that all the other parents refrain from sending Oreos or any sweet treats in their children's lunchbox because her daughter got jealous because she only allowed healthy snacks. Now, the authenticity of the original chat is now being questioned. But listen, the parents -- the parent online community is going nuts.
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CORNISH: Oh, it's lit. I'm going to go check my phone right now.
ADAMSON: They're going nuts.
KING: Yes.
ADAMSON: Now, my legal take, like, it's a jurisdictional challenge. I don't think parents should have the authority to rule other people's lunch boxes, but a lot of parents disagree.
CORNISH: Oh, my God, "At-lyse You Heard it Here."
Alyse Adamson giving me the goss that I'm going to be seeing later today in my phone. Five Oreo cookies and an unhappy face.
Thank you for waking up with me. I'm Audie Cornish. Headlines are next.
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