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Federal Agents Raid Rep. Omar's D.C. Home; Director Alex Gibney is Interviewed about his Documentary on Musk; Barack Obama Backs Mississippi Democrat. Aired 6:30-7a ET
Aired October 13, 2026 - 06:30 ET
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AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: So, the president is trying to distance himself from a raid that happened on a Democratic congresswoman. So, Ilhan Omar's D.C. home was raided by the Department of Homeland Security on Monday. The reason remains unclear. President Trump says it doesn't involve him.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (October 12, 2026): Well, I understand they're looking at it very carefully. I've always found it to be totally crooked, personally, but that has nothing to do with me.
I think she's a terrible person, but that's really up to the DOJ. I have nothing to do with it.
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CORNISH: Omar immigrated to the U.S. from Somalia as a child. She's also been a frequent target of the president's, including just last night.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (October 12, 2026) Somebody was asking me questions. I don't know what they're doing with it. But I can tell you this, she's a disaster.
TRUMP (October 10, 2026): How about Ilhan Omar? She comes from Somalia.
What they've done to Minnesota should never be allowed. And let's see what happens. J.D. Vance and our people are looking at it very strongly.
TRUMP: (December 2, 2025): Ilhan Omar is garbage. She's garbage. Her friends are garbage.
They come from hell and they complain and do nothing but bitch.
TRUMP (September 22, 2020): She's telling us how to run our country.
CROWD (chanting) (July 17, 2019): Send her back! Send her back! Send her back!
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CORNISH: Group chat is back.
I want to repeat that this raid was conducted by the Department of Homeland Security. Not the FBI. Not the DOJ. We don't know any kind of charges, nor we know if she's committed literally any kind of crime. We just know that DHS went to her D.C. home.
She actually tweeted, "I'm OK. Make no mistake, this is an attempt to target political enemies and weaponize federal law enforcement." She goes on to say, "Trump has targeted me with baseless lies and smear campaigns. Latest escalation. I will not be silenced."
Now, I understand her as someone he dislikes, as we played. I don't understand whatever investigative agency doing this now.
ASHLEY DAVIS, FORMER WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL UNDER PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Well, first of all, she's been investigated since 2024, and Biden started it. So, this not -- this is not a new --.
CORNISH: And what was the circumstance? Because one of the things when you do something like this is, we all just say, investigate, investigate, investigate.
DAVIS: Immigration and fraud.
CORNISH: And no one actually knows if someone's committed a crime.
DAVIS: She was investigated in 2024, when it was originally opened up from the DOJ. And by the way, the DOJ and ICE, the investigative arm of ICE. It wasn't like it was just the people that you see out on the streets. This was the investigative arm, which they got a warrant from a judge. So, I mean, there's something there.
CORNISH: There's something. Yes.
DAVIS: We don't know who the judge is. We don't know -- I mean it's very common that you don't know what she's being looked at. But if there's something there, there's something there. Obviously, we had this discussion on --
CORNISH: But isn't that that weird thing of just being like, where there's smoke there's fire.
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DAVIS: Well --
CORNISH: And they're like, even if there's no fire --
DAVIS: I don't -- CORNISH: By the time the story passes --
DAVIS: I mean, I think the same discussion was, during Mar-a-Lago days, there was a judge that signed off on that as well. So, I mean, like there's something there that a judge signed off on.
CHUCK ROCHA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: As a political strategist, this just reeks of political because it's 20 days before an election. I know there's not a law that says you have to wait until a certain amount of time, but this seems like with that --
CORNISH: Yes, that, to me, would be informed of that law.
ROCHA: Right. Exactly right. And so, what you have here is, I think, a political ploy because you can't talk about -- we were talking about distractions. And that's what not only this president and Republicans at large are trying to do right now -- and, yes, there was a warrant. Yes, there was folks there in ICE blazers or whatever those windbreakers were. But I think this is all about weaponizing our government against our citizens.
CORNISH: Right now you've got joint Democratic --
DAVIS: Did you say that during Mar-a-Lago?
ROCHA: Probably.
DAVIS: Did you say that?
ROCHA: I probably did.
DAVIS: I'm going to go back and look at the clips.
CORNISH: You know who said it a lot, the president. It was said.
DAVIS: I want to go back and say, did Chuck say we're weaponizing the political system?
ROCHA: Every time I pay my taxes.
CORNISH: I think one thing I've learned from that experience and that, the Trump administration has learned from the experience about weaponizing government is, turnabout is fair play, not, we need to right the ship. The energy you get from them with all of their host of investigations is, it's your turn.
DAVIS: Well, it's -- and what the concern is, I think, long term is that the new normal. Like, are we going to have --
CORNISH: It is --
DAVIS: On both sides.
CORNISH: It goes --
DAVIS: Like, it goes -- yes, when it -- CORNISH: Yes.
DAVIS: If Democrats win in 2028, it's probably going to happen -- you know, the same thing will happen.
CORNISH: Meanwhile, in Minnesota, y'all are already voting. One hundred thousand people have voted already.
ADAM HARRIS, CO-HOST, "RADIO ATLANTIC": Yes. I think one of the things we have to keep in mind here is the level to which these politicized investigations have happened over the last two years. I think viewing it outside of that context sort of does create this veneer of equality. And this side is investigating. And this side is also investigating.
But we've seen judges, quite literally, go back after the investigations and say that these claims were baseless, that these were politically charged investigations. And so, if it were an isolated incident, I think that there is a separate thing that could be said, as opposed to the president has gone after his political enemies through agencies that we've seen over the last year.
CORNISH: Or just the sheer volume gives the appearance of --
HARRIS: Yes.
DAVIS: Maybe. I mean, I don't think it just started two years ago. I mean how many -- let's like -- we -- I'm not going to sit here and name off everything that the president was -- I mean, how about the fact that they were told that banks couldn't -- they all -- they were debanked.
HARRIS: Yes.
DAVIS: I mean, the family was debanked. I mean, come on, this is -- this started before two years ago.
And listen, you know I'm pretty like even minded on a lot of this stuff, but I think this started -- this never would have happened under Obama.
CORNISH: I know when it started. I just don't know when it ends.
DAVIS: This never would have happened -- I don't think it does end.
CORNISH: I think we're all exhausted.
DAVIS: Yes, I think I agree.
CORNISH: Yes, justice (ph).
DAVIS: Unless we have candidates that's truly a middle of the road candidate.
CORNISH: Next on CNN, we're going to talk about the former president, Barack Obama. He's now the closer in chief for Democrats, maybe. He's running in deep red Mississippi. Do they see an opening for an upset?
Plus, the movie Elon Musk calls a hit piece. We're going to talk to a filmmaker who's just profiled the world's richest man. What he uncovered.
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CORNISH: It's looking like the top Republican donor this cycle could be Elon Musk. He's poured at least $276 million into the midterms since July. Much of that going towards the key Senate race in Texas, a state crucial to both Republican control and Musk's business empire. The world's richest person is also the subject of a new documentary by filmmaker Alex Gibney. The nearly four-hour film dives deep into Musk's rise, and his influence.
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ASHLEY ST. CLAIR, ELON MUSK'S EX: If you were to ask someone on the right what they think of Elon, he's a free speech god, and someone on the left, he's just someone who sends hateful tweets and he's lost his mind. Both are very comforting, but both are completely insufficient to the immense amount of power and influence he has.
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CORNISH: Joining me now, award winning filmmaker Alex Gibney.
Good morning. Thank you for being here.
I think the person we just saw was --
ALEX GIBNEY, DIRECTOR, "MUSK": Good morning, Audie.
CORNISH: Thank you.
Ashley St. Clair. She's one of Musk's many ex's. One of his 14 children, I think at last count, she's had one of his 14 children. And she, I remember, has talked online about not signing an NDA. What was it like getting like everybody else to try and talk for this? What reasons did they give you for not talking?
GIBNEY: It was very hard. I mean, I talked to hundreds of people, but mostly on background or off the record. They were terrified of appearing, both because they thought Musk might sue them if they were critical of him. His friends, Musk didn't permit to talk. And then there were others, even some immigrants, who, because of Musk's relationship with the president of the United States, were afraid of talking because they might be deported.
CORNISH: Might be deported. OK. The other thing is the way Trump has been spending, the way Elon has been spending for the president on these various campaigns. You get the sense he does have some kind of political ideology. But can you talk about what is the relationship that he gets out of -- what's the benefit he gets out of supporting Trump to this scale?
GIBNEY: Money. I mean, it's kind of twofold money. And an ability to escape any kind of criminal or civil reckoning for some of the stuff that his companies have done. I mean, I think that's the reason, the primary reason he supported Trump in the first place. He was facing -- his companies were facing a number of civil investigations, and he and Tesla were facing a criminal investigation by the Department of Justice relating to fraud surrounding claims about full self-driving at Tesla.
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So, once Trump became president, as far as we know, all of those investigations are gone. And to some extent, he eliminated them through his role at DOGE. Now I think he's terrified that if the Democrats were to take control of one or both houses of Congress, that investigations might resume. And I think this is the source of his, you know, attempts to try to, you know, put so much money into these elections, kind of unprecedented amounts.
CORNISH: But through DOGE, through his contracts with the Pentagon, through Starlink, hasn't he now truly amassed a massive amount of power?
GIBNEY: He has. I think that not only is it the connection with the president of the United States, but, I mean, I think you could say that Starlink, in a way, it has a connected purpose, but it also has a purpose of surveillance. So -- and it's also a collection purpose. It's collecting data for his A.I. systems. His A.I. systems have fully infiltrated the Pentagon per Pete Hegseth, and yet his frontier A.I. system is the worst. So, it's clearly a kind of a payoff.
And SpaceX is, you know, has kind of taken over the role of NASA in terms of launching stuff into space. So, I mean, his power is immense. And we haven't even spoken about the sort of propagandistic power he wields through the control of his platform X, formerly Twitter. So, yes, he has a fantastic amount of power.
CORNISH: One of the things -- the choices you made in this documentary that was super intriguing is you used actual audio of him speaking, but you have like an avatar visually. Talk about what are the surprising things that you heard, like out of his mouth, right, in these audio clips and why you thought you needed to put a face to them.
GIBNEY: Well, I -- we went in that direction. Obviously, there's a bunch of, you know, archival clips in the film as well. But he famously would not agree to be interviewed. And in place of saying, no, thank you, he insulted me directly. Something that's in the film.
But I then became interested in going over this tremendous database of clips that we had amassed with his obsession with the idea that we're living in some kind of simulation, the idea that aliens of the future, or an A.I. of the future had exfiltrated all knowledge from planet earth and now is playing a kind of existential video game. That's something he believes in. So, I thought, OK, how about a simulated interview then in which we
confected an image of him to speak or to mouth real audio clips as a way of integrating him into the film. And one of the reasons for that too is that, from a cinematic perspective, we're playing with these thematic issues of what is true, what is fake, which is, you know, one of the key themes of the film. He's a -- kind of like an Oz like figure, I think, in terms of his attempt to shape our reality.
CORNISH: It occurs to me that if you think nothing is real, if you think we're in a simulation, then all the rest of us are NPCs, right? We're non-player characters who don't matter. And like any video game where you're amassing treasure and power, it doesn't matter who gets in the way.
GIBNEY: That's right. And that's why we couched some of famous firing episodes, whether it be at Twitter or a DOGE, as kind of first person shooter games. In other words, if you think that we're living in a game, then you can engage in a kind of performative cruelty and think that it's funny to brandish a chainsaw or to say that, you know, the summary ending of USAID is that you're putting it into the woodchipper, when, in fact, you know, hundreds of thousands of children died as a result of him suddenly canceling USAID.
So -- so, I think, yes, it gives him kind of moral cover and makes -- and that's a trope for Elon Musk too. Everything is kind of a joke, but not a joke. It's serious -- deadly serious and a joke at the same time.
CORNISH: OK. Well, Alex Gibney's new film is called "Musk." It hits theaters nationwide this Friday. Yes, it's long. Yes, it's good. And Alex Gibney, thank you for being here.
GIBNEY: Thank you so much, Audie.
CORNISH: So, I want to turn to this.
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Former President Barack Obama getting involved in a Senate race in deep red Mississippi. Here is how. He actually cut an ad for a Democrat, Scott Colom, who's trying to unseat Republican Cindy Hyde- Smith.
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BARACK OBAMA, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: Scott made his community safer, prosecuting violent crimes as district attorney and fighting corruption in Columbus. Now he's running for Senate, to raise wages, lower costs, and save your health care and hospitals.
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CORNISH: Now, Democrats are spending big in a state that hasn't elected a Democrat to the Senate since 1982. And the American Bridge PAC has reportedly pumped more than $2 million into the case -- into the race. So, is this a real open for the left? A long shot worth taking?
The group chat is back.
The truth is, he's doing 24 ads for Senate and gubernatorial campaigns. And so, if you go and look one up, you're going to see him in that same chair because he's saying the different states.
But it's interesting to see him as closer in chief in a moment where, like, technically he's not leader of the party, right? Maybe?
ROCHA: But he is.
CORNISH: Maybe he is.
DAVIS: He is.
CORNISH: OK, everyone at the panel just said he is.
So, tell me, why Mississippi? Why is that even on the list?
ROCHA: When you have -- when you have a year -- when you have a --
DAVIS: Is it in play?
ROCHA: Everything's in play, but what is in play --
CORNISH: Is it?
ROCHA: Let me finish what I'm saying about being in play.
CORNISH: OK.
ROCHA: Is that you want to play everywhere, all the time, when you have the perfect conditions behind you. It don't mean you're going to win everywhere. It doesn't mean everything is in play. But you don't want to be left where you didn't do something when you could have won.
And in a wave election, what I just said in an earlier segment between me and Ashley, not knowing whether this wave is this big or if this wave is this big, is all depending on what happens. And you want to play everywhere, especially when you have somebody who's very popular. Barack Obama's still very popular. It costs nothing for him to sit in that chair and make 24 ads. And if the folks get enough money, put it on the air because he's still very popular, especially in a place like Mississippi where working class folks see him as a hero and there's not been a lot of work.
CORNISH: You know, we didn't play this part of the ad, but the part that I found the most fascinating is, in the back half of it, he talks about this candidate as leading with his faith. And I have been following this movement of, like, faith leader, faith students, seminarians that Democrats have recruited this cycle to run. And Obama, like, is, I think, part of pushing those people forward.
HARRIS: Yes, absolutely. I think if you think about the candidates in Texas, you think about the candidate in Kansas, right, these are all sort of faith leaders who are -- who are running on the Democratic ticket.
I think one of the reasons why they play in a place like Mississippi, and the south generally, I mean, from Jesse Jackson going down there in the '80s on through the '90s and the 2010s --
CORNISH: Yes.
HARRIS: It's not a play for a right now. It never is necessarily a play for right now unless you have the anomalous case like a Doug Jones running against somebody like a Roy Moore. But what -- the reason why they play down there is because of the base of the Democratic Party is still black voters an black lives. So, if you look at --
CORNISH: Well, certainly in the south. Yeah, for sure.
HARRIS: You look at Mississippi and its population generally, I mean it -- it is still talking to a base of your voters.
DAVIS: Why did you have to bring up the Roy Moore days? Remember the candidate in Delaware that she identified as a witch?
ROCHA: She was a witch.
DAVIS: Yes.
But going back, here's what I think. It takes Barack Obama five minutes to do that ad. And you know what it's doing. There's probably a little bit of money from the NRSC, or there's a little bit of money from MAGA Inc. Or there's a little bit of money from somewhere that's now going into Mississippi. So, do I think Mississippi's in play? No. However, you're spending -- you're making people spend money, which is where it is --
CORNISH: But isn't there some irony that this administration kicked off the year with a redistricting fight? It was specifically to make it kind of easier for them, you know what I mean? And instead, they're fighting over districts in Texas where it turns out the Latino voters may not be a permanent part of the coalition.
DAVIS: Well, that was always the risk.
CORNISH: They're going red states. Yes, but I'm just saying, they redistricted to be like, well, we -- we won these folks last time. We'll win them again. And now it's just defense, defense, defense, defense.
DAVIS: And you won those races based on Trump with the coalition of people that only he could have put together. I don't think that that's normal Republicans moving forward.
ROCHA: They re-drew 12 of these districts to give them a 12-seat margin. And at the end of the day, there's only about five of them that are going to end up being solidly red. The other ones were in play when they shouldn't be, to your point, because they knew what we knew, which is, you're fighting history, you're fighting an uphill battle. You're fighting an economy. You're fighting all the things against them. So, it wasn't -- even from a Democrat, it ain't smart strategy. It is smart strategy to try to get you a few extra seats because you're going to need them. And your point is just made in what we're saying of playing everywhere all the time. And you can't, girls and boys at home, gerrymander a state. That's why the Senate plays differently.
DAVIS: Yes, it is.
CORNISH: OK, I want to talk about something that is in my group chat, because all the political nerds noticed that a Republican group supporting Susan Collins and the race for Maine's Senate seat aired this ad going after Democrat Troy Jackson over the weekend. And the problem is, they ran the ad in Portland, Oregon, and not Portland, Maine.
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And group spent $25,000 doing it before realizing they made a mistake.
So, the PAC, which funded the ad, they, like, blamed a third party vendor. They tell CNN the money's been refunded. And a spokesman for Jackson seized on the error, telling "The New York Times," Susan "Collins and her allies are so out of touch with Maine, they apparently can't find it on a map."
Many political types sending this around. All the tweets. Portland, Oregon, versus Portland, Maine, ga, ga, ga, ga, ga.
HARRIS: I mean, yes, I mean it's --
CORNISH: Well. It's a well.
HARRIS: It's a -- it's a --
CORNISH: OK, we're -- that's why it's in the group chat. OK.
DAVIS: And no one can really say Susan Collins doesn't know her state.
HARRIS: Yes, Susan --
DAVIS: I mean that's one thing. But -- OK.
ROCHA: Chuck.
ROCHA: This is what I do for a living.
CORNISH: Is this in your group chat? Were you all just like, oh my God.
ROCHA: My God, this is -- y'all for at home, this is what I do. I make ads and we put them on TV. And I cannot tell you the number of times I have typed in, make sure it's Portland, Maine. Make sure it's Portland, Maine. Because mistakes can happen.
In my group chat this week is, everybody, over the last 24 hours, I work for James Talarico, full disclosure, has been this crazy nonsense online about him making his way to Ohio, but when he actually had the flu. Well, this morning --
CORNISH: Oh, we talked about this. The missing -- well, he was off the trail for a few weeks. He -- they couldn't give us any details.
ROCHA: He was. And he was really sick for eight days. It wasn't two weeks. It was eight days.
CORNISH: OK.
DAVIS: Twelve days.
ROCHA: And literally "The New York Times" had to go and verify security footage from his home, showing him coming in and out of his home to say that I was not in some mental hospital.
The ironic thing, if I'm using ironic right, is that this morning "The Wall Street Journal" reports that Ken Paxton, there's a video of him in Dubai with a bunch of crooks that stole money from Texas. That's not me. That's "The Wall Street Journal" reporting that this morning.
CORNISH: Can I say one thing for this season?
DAVIS: This is why this is crazy.
CORNISH: Isn't part of this election or an old election trick is you basically -- you just want people denying the thing.
DAVIS: Yes.
CORNISH: You know, you want the headline to say this thing that's down here.
ROCHA: Yes. Yes.
DAVIS: He's explaining, which is a problem -- which is the problem.
CORNISH: You don't actually -- it doesn't matter if it's true or not.
DAVIS: I don't it sticks. But, yes. Yes.
CORNISH: To say these people eat dogs and it doesn't matter it's just having it in the ether.
ROCHA: And they want something out there to be the October surprise, and they can't find anything on my Boy Scout candidate, so they're trying to make up stuff.
CORNISH: All right. You don't want to say that, because every time a Democratic candidate says some kind of Boy Scout, they --
DAVIS: Yes.
ROCHA: It's two weeks out. Two weeks.
DAVIS: OK. You find out something else.
DAVIS: Maybe he's eating dogs.
CORNISH: We're not going to milkshake Doug Talarico.
OK. Go ahead.
DAVIS: I have the best group chat ever. And your mom's going to be very disappointed in me, Audie.
CORNISH: Oh.
DAVIS: So, sorry, mom.
So, I'm a fan -- I'm known to have a tattoo or two or three or four.
CORNISH: You are?
DAVIS: I know. It's shocking. I know.
CORNISH: OK.
DAVIS: But there's a new thing that came out yesterday -- or this week. This is that you can get a tattoo and it disappears over a year.
CORNISH: Oh, wow.
DAVIS: So, it's like a temporary tattoo.
CORNISH: And looks not as painful.
DAVIS: And it looks -- well, it doesn't (INAUDIBLE).
CORNISH: Oh, no, this is how it's applied.
DAVIS: But, you know, my tattoo from my 20s, I probably wouldn't want anymore.
CORNISH: Is it a butterfly?
ROCHA: It says I love Stan. Some guy named Stan.
DAVIS: No. But I think this is the best thing ever. This was my rebellion back in the day. I know my mother's cringing right now, and your mother's going to be very disappointed in me.
CORNISH: I'm just trying to picture it because I know we talked about --
DAVIS: Well, no one's ever going to see, though.
CORNISH: Wait, why are you doing this? Like, what are we -- what are we learning here right now?
No, it's more like, I remember you talking about your music taste and things like that. So, is this like a Tupac tattoo? Motley Crue? Or what are we --
DAVIS: No. My music taste is hard rock.
ROCHA: Hard rock.
CORNISH: OK.
DAVIS: Hard rock like Ozzy Osbourne and Motley Crue.
CORNISH: Got it.
DAVIS: I mean, no, I'm sort of like --
CORNISH: Does it say changes with just like --
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CORNISH: I'm going to do this all day now.
DAVIS: I am from small town Pittsburgh. I mean, this is how I grew up.
CORNISH: Oh. I love it.
ROCHA: There we go.
DAVIS: This is why I'm so relatable.
CORNISH: Chuck. OK.
HARRIS: I'm watching baseball. So, the ALCS --
CORNISH: You know you're the only dude here who's brought up baseball.
HARRIS: Really?
CORNISH: It's always football. Yes, go on.
HARRIS: Yes. So, I'm a -- I'm a Cleveland Guardians fan. The ALCS started last night. And we started off with a win. I think, you know, we're talking about an October surprise. And I feel like Cleveland is always a surprise to be in October for me. For the last couple of years I've had a lot of joy out of them. And so game two tomorrow.
ROCHA: How long has it been since Cleveland's won a World Series?
HARRIS: 1948.
ROCHA: '48.
CORNISH: Oh my goodness.
DAVIS: Listen, I'm a Steelers fan, and they beat -- I don't like the Browns these days either. They're doing well.
HARRIS: Oh, I think -- I think that's fair. It's kind of unfortunate for you guys (ph). ROCHA: For all of us political nerds who buy and place TV ads for --
DAVIS: No one cares about politics.
ROCHA: The only live TV that people are still watching are these baseball and football games.
CORNISH: Yes, and football games.
ROCHA: And right now there's a race going on for the L.A. mayor's race, and the Dodgers have made it to the playoffs. And it's some of the most expensive TV and radio you can buy because people in Los Angeles love the Dodgers. And it cuts across all Democratic and Republican, independent lines.
CORNISH: And you're saying we don't change during the ads? We sit through the ads through sports games.
ROCHA: Right. Because they're sitting at home and you're with your friends. And so like, these ads really work. So, for all you ad buyers out there trying to buy in Portland, Maine, look for the Boston Red Sox.
CORNISH: Oh, thanks for that shout out as a Boston person. I appreciate that.
ROCHA: Absolutely.
CORNISH: OK, I want to thank you guys for being here. Love having you in the chat.
I want to thank you for waking up with us. We talked about a lot of things today.
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I do want to shout out that film by Alex Gibney about Elon Musk, a new documentary you're going to be hearing a lot about.
The other thing that's happening today, there is a new press secretary. So, we're going to be seeing who's at the podium and what they have to say.
And lastly, of interest, an archbishop in the military, a Catholic bishop, saying there should not be a live execution. You're going to be hearing more about this in the headlines next.
