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Musk Blames Trump for Slow Military Satellites; Katie Zacharia's Law Degree Debate; Voters Who Backed Trump are Upset. Aired 6:30-7a ET
Aired October 15, 2026 - 06:30 ET
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PAULINA VERA, DIRECTOR, GW LAW IMMIGRATION CLINIC: Charges haven't even been brought, right? So, we don't even know --
AUDIE CORNISH, CNN ANCHOR: Sorry, what?
VERA: Charge -- yes, exactly. We're just in the investigation space. Charges have actually not been brought. Again, a lot of this is very speculative and we're working with imperfect information because we actually don't know what evidence it is that the government has. It seems that --
CORNISH: Yes. But we all get to talk about it.
VERA: Yes, but it seems that they're still looking for something because they have this idea, right, in their mind that it seems that that's the track that they want to go towards, denaturalization.
CORNISH: OK, I hope to have you back. This is fascinating.
VERA: Yes.
CORNISH: No, I really appreciate that.
That's Paulina Vera. Thank you.
And straight ahead on CNN THIS MORNING, we're going to talk about Ukraine. Zelenskyy says they have been betrayed by the U.S. after they lost access to Elon Musk's SpaceX's Starlink. So, Musk is blaming President Trump. What's really going on? We're going to have more.
And it's being dubbed the mother of all bombs, but will the U.S. drop it on Iran before the midterms?
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CORNISH: The tension between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is growing deeper this morning. And who is in the middle but Elon Musk. Wednesday, Musk's military grade internet satellite system known as Starlink suddenly restricted service to Ukraine, limiting its ability to fight back against Russia's attacks. Service now partially restored, but there's a lot of finger pointing going on.
Frustration has built since Trump announced a surprise energy ceasefire and controversial U.S. deal to buy Russian diesel. Zelenskyy telling "The Financial Times" today, Ukraine will resume strikes on Russian oil refineries. Quote, "the block is out. We're done."
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PIERS MORGAN, HOST, "PIERS MORGAN UNCENSORED": Do you feel betrayed by what has been happening?
VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT: Really, yes. Really, between us. But it's a little bit more complicated than just my emotions or my feelings. Yes, it depends, not on my -- not on me. I mean this -- our country has to survive. And we count on our real partners, strategic partners, United States.
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CORNISH: Joel Rubin's here. He's the former deputy assistant secretary of state for the Obama administration.
Thank you for being here.
JOEL RUBIN, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR OBAMA ADMINISTRATION: Of course.
CORNISH: This has been a wild couple of days.
RUBIN: Yes.
CORNISH: First, dropping the sort of sanctions against Russia after going to the U.N. and saying we're doing these sanctions. But this Starlink thing is quite the wrinkle because it reveals just how important Elon Musk is, and Starlink is, in geopolitics and geo warfare.
RUBIN: Yes. A couple of things there. First and foremost, its putting Ukrainian civilians at risk. So, right now, Ukrainian civilians are being hit by Russian drones, for example. That would -- it would have not been hit earlier if the Starlink had been up and the intel that Ukraine gets from it would still be coming into Ukraine's military. So, that's dangerous.
But the big question, the defense contractor, Elon Musk, also a major campaign contributor, is now --
CORNISH: Yes, at this point I think clocking in at $276 million (ph). Is that right?
RUBIN: Over $200 million to $300 million. So, he's got a $4 billion plus contract with DOD. He's helping to guide their future defense investments. He's now cutting off the intelligence sharing. There's only one way that this happened, and that's because the White House told them to do so, and that's very dangerous.
CORNISH: Well, here's the thing. I mean Zelenskyy has gotten crosswise with Trump in so many ways.
RUBIN: Yes.
CORNISH: I want to play for you some sound of them back to back over the last couple days.
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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT: President Trump, they wanted us not to attack diesel. My opinion was, it's not fair.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And we told them, do whatever you want, but don't hit the diesel fuel because there's a big problem, a big shortage. And what does he do? He goes and hits the diesel fuel.
I think it's time for Ukraine to get a new president.
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RUBIN: Well, look, the only --
CORNISH: He's making a specific point.
RUBIN: Yes.
CORNISH: He's saying, you are hurting some targets I said please don't go after.
RUBIN: First of all, the diesel fuel is a canard. Even the release by Ukraine -- by Russia of this diesel fuel is going to have a negligible impact on global markets and on the supply. What this is, is Donald Trump picking a side. The one side he has never pressured is Vladimir Putin's side. He was handed a sanctions bill -- I mean Lindsey Graham would be rolling around in his grave right now. He was handed the Lindsey Graham sanctions bill a little over a month ago to put more pressure on Russia. And now he's doing sanctions relief and he's calling for a new leader in Ukraine. So, he's doing Vladimir Putin's bidding. And I hate to say it like that, but that is exactly what's happening right now and it's not going to end this war.
CORNISH: Well, I do want to mention one thing. Just -- can I ask you, Doug, this, because he talked about Trump. And Elon Musk himself said, "Starshield systems are owned and controlled by the U.S. government. Any limits on speed or usage are decided by the U.S. military and ultimately the president. Starlink is a commercial service owned and controlled by SpaceX. Usage of Starlink is limited to civilian and defensive activities and cannot be used for offensive military action," saying it "would be inappropriate for commercial company."
So, he's trying to make the separation between the tool that he's effectively sold to the government and the civilian operation, probably because of things like what Joel was saying, right, that -- about him and his power.
DOUG HEYE, FORMER RNC COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR: Yes, it's Bart Simpson, I didn't do it, man. He knows -- he knows exactly what's going -- and he knows better than any of us, quite obviously. And part of that -- part of the challenge, I think, for Trump here is, there are so many people who cross the border from Poland, members of Congress, foreign dignitaries. There have been real near misses. Boris Johnson was on a train that got hit. And, fortunately, you know, fortunately was safe.
CORNISH: Oh, yes. Yes.
HEYE: If one of those people gets killed, it's going to be on Donald Trump's head and shoulders.
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And ultimately, that's going to explode this even more. It's very dangerous territory that Donald Trump has put us in with Ukraine. Why? Because he screwed up by going in Iran.
CORNISH: Thank you for making this point.
ALEX THOMPSON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well --
CORNISH: For one, really quick thing, I just -- and then I want you to go.
You have an official in Poland saying, "hey, Elon Musk," tagging him directly, "big man, are you playing politics with your products again? As your European customers, we are watching you."
THOMPSON: The leader of Poland.
CORNISH: The leader of Poland saying that.
RUBIN: Yes, look, I mean, Elon Musk clearly understands that he's doing some -- he's doing them dirty. He's doing something that is the opposite of what he's always proclaimed with is technology.
CORNISH: Or that these countries don't believe that he (INAUDIBLE). Yes.
RUBIN: And now he's undermining his entire business model. He's basically become an apparatus of the Defense Department and the whims of Donald Trump. And I think for Starlink, it's a reputational risk of the highest order and it's putting civilians in Europe at risk.
CORNISH: (INAUDIBLE).
HEYE: And, Audie, can I say real quick. I was at the Polish Economic Forum last week. I've gone every year for the past five years. This remains the number one topic that they talk about in every panel, regardless of what the topic actually is.
CORNISH: Trump as an ally or Musk as a threat?
HEYE: Where is -- where is America. Where is America, and why is what America is doing?
RUBIN: That's right.
HEYE: So, what we are sending to our allies. And if you walk around towns of Poland, you'll see a lot of businesses that sort of say, famous since 1946 because they were all reduced to rubble because of what we saw in World War II.
They're very scared. It's a palpable fear that this could happen again, because America is not just absent, but is malicious here.
CORNISH: Yes.
THOMPSON: So, you have to just also look at the broader political context here, which is, while the diesel deal with Putin is a canard, the price of diesel is driving some of this going on because the administration, you know, Treasury Secretary Bessent, has been very clear that it's not just the Strait of Hormuz. It is the continuation of the Ukraine-Russia War that is -- you have dual energy shocks that are really hurting the heartland of America, especially places like Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, where there also are Senate races.
CORNISH: Well, that's why I wanted to talk about this, because at the end of the day, if you prolong one of those wars with these kinds of moves, because Zelenskyy (INAUDIBLE).
THOMPSON: Well, in his -- in Trump's mind, he's trying to drive an end to it.
CORNISH: OK.
RUBIN: That's right.
THOMPSON: Now, maybe on Putin's side, but he is trying to drive an end to it in order to remove one of those two.
RUBIN: He's trying to force Ukraine to capitulate. They're not going to capitulate. It's not going to end the war. He has the logic backwards on how to get out of this war.
CORNISH: And in the meantime, changing opinions on the war in the U.S.
Joel, thank you so much for being here.
RUBIN: Thanks, Audie.
CORNISH: We're going to talk about the president's new press secretary in a moment. She has presented herself as an attorney. So, we're going to talk about her credentials. Can she actually use that title?
And then in Mississippi, a senator roasted over her hot take on beef. Why is meat such a prime midterm issue?
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[06:46:56] CORNISH: So, the new White House press secretary, Katie Zacharia, has presented herself as a lawyer. CNN has learned she doesn't meet the requirements to use that title, even in her home state.
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REPORTER: What state did she pass the bar exam in? You said she's an attorney, where did she pass the bar exam? Which state?
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Which state?
REPORTER: What did she tell us (ph)?
KATIE ZACHARIA, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: When I moved to China.
REPORTER: Where did you pass the bar exam?
ZACHARIA: When I moved to China.
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CORNISH: At least one watchdog group has asked the California state board to investigate.
So, I got to be honest. As soon as I heard that clip, where people were like, where'd you -- what are your credentials? And she was like, oh, I got them in China. I was like, OK, this is the next day's story. People are going to start asking questions about this.
THOMPSON: Yes, I mean, as someone that knows a lot of lawyers, if you claim to -- if you claim to be a lawyer --
CORNISH: Not the flex you think it is, Alex. But, yes. OK.
THOMPSON: I do not mean it in a flex. I am -- I am just boring (ph).
CORNISH: Yes.
THOMPSON: And -- but if you claim to be a lawyer and you have not passed the bar, it is a -- it is a no, no. She did go to law school. She went to Pepperdine Law School. But she has since, and she did do some legal work as an associate in China when she moved there for her husband. But she has since identified on television as a lawyer. She has identified repeatedly in public as a lawyer. And the people that are going to have the biggest problem with this are lawyers.
Also, it's a bit hypocritical for Republicans to now defend her as they are simultaneously going after Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan for claiming he is a doctor when he has never been a practicing physician.
CORNISH: He's not practicing. Yes. So, he, at least, passed the requirements to get the credential of doctor, which is why journalists, House-style, is to call him that. She does not have this credential, is that what people are learning, or they're still investigating this?
THOMPSON: I mean, again, it's sort of like an honor system. No, no, no, she did not pass the -- she did not pass the bar.
CORNISH: OK. So, how is this different from the Abdul El-Sayed? Do you think this is something Republicans have spent a lot of time on?
HEYE: Well, politically, it's money. But, you know, unfortunately with this administration, and I say this as a conservative Republican, at least once a week I have to tweet -- Alex sees it. It drives him crazy, probably. You never go wrong hiring professionals. So, whether we're talking about the new White House press secretary, whether we're talking about the ambassador to Greece. Trump hires people who are just not qualified for the job that they're in. And ultimately, it hurts Republicans who are running for office.
CORNISH: Not so, Doug. The White House said October 13th, "today, Katie delivered a commanding inaugural press briefing as the 37th White House press secretary."
HEYE: That's the official statement. We know what the unofficial statements were.
CORNISH: "The briefing generated wall-to-wall coverage" --
HEYE: Yes, it did.
CORNISH: "And served as a strong introduction to her tenure and highlighted the president's record of delivering historic successes" -- what a day -- "for the American people."
HEYE: Can you sell me the Brooklyn Bridge too.
CORNISH: I --
HEYE: I mean --
CORNISH: Listen, I don't know.
HEYE: Because, I get it, there are official statements. But the reality is, and Alex's sources at the White House are probably saying the exact opposite and saying it a lot.
CORNISH: Once it reaches "The View," we know everybody is having their say, like in the internet land.
Here is an exchange that happened with our own Alyssa Farrah.
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ALYSSA FARRAH GRIFFIN, HOST, "THE VIEW": I don't know how this gal got through the door. You can find a lot of people who are -- who are prepared to do this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.
GRIFFIN: It's much harder than people knew (ph). UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can tell you how she got through the door. I mean --
WHOOPI GOLDBERG, HOST, "THE VIEW": Stop it. Stop it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can --
GOLDBERG: Stop it. Don't even think about it. Don't do it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh. Oh.
GOLDBERG: Don't do it.
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CORNISH: A little bit of a struggle there.
Say something nice challenge is what I'll call it.
YASMIN RADJY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SWING LEFT: I think that's a -- that's a big challenge. But, you know, Alex called this a no-no. It is illegal in California to say that you're a lawyer when you have not passed the bar, which she failed.
But I think this is -- it's a feature, not a bug, of the Trump administration to have people who break the law, people who are grifters, people who would make great reality TV stars, but who would be, you know, failed leaders in the meaningful work of informing the public of what this administration is up to. But, you know, I mean the -- this entire administration is a reality show and people are tired of that.
CORNISH: Yes, but once --
RADJY: But the reality is, people are -- but people are struggling. And this job, just like all the jobs of people like her in this administration, is to actually serve the public. And I think what we're going to see in these midterms are people are actually ready for a change and the reality TV show is done.
CORNISH: OK, Swing Left, you're always on message. I have one for you here. This is Joe Rogan. He, of podcasting. And he says one of the reasons he backed President Trump in 2024 is the reason he is criticizing Trump now.
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JOE ROGAN, HOST, "THE JOE ROGAN EXPERIENCE": I do not like this Iran War in any way, shape or form.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's --
ROGAN: It doesn't make any sense for us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
ROGAN: It seems like --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's getting really out of hand, you know.
ROGAN: They were trying to get every single president, including Trump, in his first term, to do this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
ROGAN: And now -- now we've done it and it's very clear. It's a giant quagmire. It's very clear. There's no -- no easy way out. Not good.
But I think the majority of the United States felt like one of the things that we were voting for when we voted for Trump is no more wars.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wars.
ROGAN: Stop the (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CORNISH: This isn't going away. And I pay attention to Rogan because I think when we talk about how Trump expanded his coalition, swing voter men, people who sometimes voted, sometimes didn't --
THOMPSON: Yes.
CORNISH: Fancy themselves independent, they are newish to the coalition, right?
THOMPSON: Absolutely.
CORNISH: He draws them, and they're mad.
THOMPSON: Absolutely. And, you know, one thing I noticed there was he said, quote/unquote, "they" wanted this war for several presidents. That "they" in that sentence is Israel. And also reflects a little bit of the disaffection against Israel in that coalition that is actually --
CORNISH: He's very vocal about it online.
THOMPSON: Yes. And, well, and "they" may -- as that's why you're seeing a split off. I mean, I'd say the two -- every pollster you talk to, they say the two biggest parts of the 2024 Trump coalition that seem to have split off are young men under 30 and Hispanic voters. And Joe Rogan speaks to many of those people.
RADJY: And speaking of those two demographics, we were just out in Temecula, California, California's 48th congressional district, key to the House battlefield. Talk to a Latino voter in his mid-30s who said, even though he usually was a Democrat, he had voted for Donald Trump in 2024 because he wanted an America first president and he was sick and tired of foreign wars that were wasting his hard-earned dollars. And he is so -- he just is crystal clear that he is not just pissed at Donald Trump, he blames him personally for having moved away from that. He feels betrayed. And voters like him are moving over.
CORNISH: Yes. I should say, when you look at the numbers, the Fox News polling, how concerned are you about the war in Iran? Definitely Democrats, 84 percent concerns. Republicans, it's only -- it's 33 percent who are not concerned. And there's still some like wiggle room there, you know what I mean? I think the base is the base. And they probably believe what Trump is saying when he said this yesterday.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm here whether we win this or not in terms of the Republicans in the Senate and in Congress. But I will tell you, I think there's a great thing happening. And that people will see what we've accomplished, where there's never been -- it's the golden age of America. And the Iran War will end very soon. It's going to end very soon. As soon as I want it to end, it'll end.
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HEYE: I just think of the character Otter in "Animal House," who's -- when I watched that clip and Joe Rogan, you f-ed up. You trusted us. That's the reality of where Republicans are, as they have to deal with this and so many other issues and the private conversations that they're having to earn --
CORNISH: But I have heard Republicans say, this is going to end soon. This is short term pain for long term gain. It could be worse if Iran got a nuclear weapon. Like, there is an argument that follows out from what he's saying.
HEYE: Yes, but that's the same argument that's been made for eight months now.
CORNISH: OK.
THOMPSON: Yes, we are -- we're eight months into what was supposed to be a four to six week war.
HEYE: This is no longer a -- it's no longer a blip.
CORNISH: OH.
RADJY: It's also costing --
THOMPSON: I mean that --
CORNISH: I hadn't noticed how many --
THOMPSON: I mean, that clip could have been from March.
CORNISH: Yes, let me --
RADJY: And it cost $2 billion a day. I mean in the moment where people are struggling economically, it is a massive waste of money. And deficit hawks on the Republican side should be freaking out. And instead, they're coming up with convoluted excuses for the war instead of proposing an actual solution to ending it.
CORNISH: All right, let me head up the group chat, because I've had to watch a lot of political ads, and one caught my eye.
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It is in Mississippi. Republican Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith was basically getting flamed, sorry, by her Democratic rival, Scott Colom, for past comments, right? She was asked about beef prices, and she kind of said, look, people may have to pick another protein. And then this ad came out.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On the price of beef continuing to go up.
CINDY HYDE-SMITH (R), MISSISSIPPI SENATE CANDIDATE: You know you have so many proteins to choose from.
Pick another protein? Shiiitt, I'd rather pick another senator instead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pick another protein? She done lost her damn mind.
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CORNISH: Yes, in the land of the meat and three, this is not an option, let me just say this. Mississippi in play?
THOMPSON: I mean, some Democrats think so. Kamala Harris is going there next week to campaign. Cory Booker has been down there.
CORNISH: Barack Obama cut an ad. Yes.
THOMPSON: Yes. Barack Obama cut -- and, you know, it is one of the -- in terms of the demographics, if you're thinking about the south, especially moving a little bit to the left, you're talking about, you know, Georgia has flipped. You know, North Carolina looks like it might flip. Like, Mississippi is one of those states that Democrats feel optimistic about in the future. I still think they're not totally sold on it being in play this year.
CORNISH: Yes. OK, but here's an ad in south Texas, lest you think that it's just Mississippi.
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REP. VINCENTE GONZALEZ (D-TX): Nothing brings south Texas together like a cookout. But have you seen the price of beef lately? Republican tariffs are driving up the cost of carne asada, produce and just about everything else. At this rate, carne asada are going to be --
(END VIDEO CLIP) CORNISH: There's more jokes there around carne asada.
HEYE: Yes.
CORNISH: What do you say? Again, it's like a policy thing, right? Like, this isn't an ad where it's like, we're not sure, supply chain. Like, it's just like the president did this.
HEYE: It hits at the number one issue that's a vulnerability for Republicans. That's not just beef prices. Its prices all across the board. And so, it speaks directly to those voters. Those are both good ads.
CORNISH: Yes. I wonder if it also speaks to voters because we do still think of meat and beef as a kind of luxury and a kind of symbol of, like, what can you afford as a middle class American, right? Can you put rich and rich tasting items on the table as many times of the week as you want?
THOMPSON: Yes. And it just speaks to the larger just, you know, affordability crisis. And it's like a family can't, you know, afford to, you know, have burgers on the grill.
CORNISH: Yes. Yes.
THOMPSON: You know, it speaks to just, you know, people feeling the American dream is out of -- out of reach.
CORNISH: OK. Tell me what's in your group chat. Yasmin.
RADJY: It's Halloween season. I'm a mom of two. So, everybody's texting about Halloween logistics at school, costumes, et cetera.
CORNISH: Costume trading.
RADJY: Costume trading.
CORNISH: I -- yes.
RADJY: You know what everything's going to be. And what I keep telling them is, the scariest thing this Halloween season is the risk of Republicans winning really key battleground districts.
CORNISH: At first I was going to ask if these are your children, but I think these are stock images that we have here. I was like, where did we get these photos?
Doug, what are you thinking about?
HEYE: So, Kasie Hunt had an interview yesterday with a Democratic candidate who said that we should -- that we -- they should lock up her opponent. Now, one, I thought we were against that. That's something that we're not supposed to do. It was bad when Donald Trump said it. It should be bad when Democrats say it.
CORNISH: That's over now, just so you know. HEYE: I think -- I think principles still --
CORNISH: We can still say it now.
HEYE: I think principles still matter. Right should be right. Wrong should be wrong.
CORNISH: Woke is over. But let's play it. It's Angie Nixon. This is how it played out.
HEYE: And watch Chris Murphy.
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ANGIE NIXON (D), FLORIDA SENATE CANDIDATE: They are spreading like a lot of disinformation and lies on commercials about me saying things like, I want to abolish prisons and I want to defund the police. Why would I want to do that when I want her locked up and punished in jail for what she has done?
KASIE HUNT, CNN ANCHOR: You want your Republican opponent locked up?
NIXON: You know, she -- yes. Basically, yes, because of what she did. Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CORNISH: Going well?
HEYE: Not going well and not going well for Chris Murphy, who is looking like Mike Myers standing to Kanye West.
CORNISH: Yes, are you worried about her race?
HEYE: Not at all.
CORNISH: OK then.
HEYE: And not -- and not -- and because of that.
CORNISH: Oh, yes. Like it's already --
HEYE: Not ready for prime time.
CORNISH: OK.
In your group chat?
THOMPSON: All right, this story's got everything. It's got literary. Hey, you doubt me. It's got --
CORNISH: No, no, I don't. I don't. I'm ready.
THOMPSON: It's got literary drama. It's got free speech stakes. It's got Ireland versus the U.K. And it's got Israel versus Palestine. Sally Rooney, the Irish author, and her publisher, have basically decided to pull all of her books off the bookshelves in the U.K.
CORNISH: So, this is ordinary, normal people, litinary (ph) people.
THOMPSON: Yes, normal people. Yes, yes, yes, normal people.
CORNISH: Yes.
THOMPSON: In part because she was going to dedicate some of the funds to a pro-Palestine group that had been banned in the U.K. last year. And so now you have, like so many issues, you know, roiling, you know, over books. And it -- I just like books being in the center of the zeitgeist.
CORNISH: I know. So, wait, say that again, they want to yank them all together.
THOMPSON: No, so they -- her publisher has already yanked them because there was a law passed last year basically prohibiting this pro- Palestine group that had been -- had had vandalism.
CORNISH: Oh, so it's who she wants to give the money to.
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THOMPSON: Exactly.
CORNISH: Yes.
THOMPSON: And so they took the -- and it's also about, you know, is the U.K. overstepping with some of these --
CORNISH: And censorship --
THOMPSON: Exactly.
CORNISH: Which we've also heard from the vice president and others.
THOMPSON: Exactly. So, it's just -- there's like a fascinating conflict.
CORNISH: Intrigued. Yes, yes, thank you. I'm going to send that one around.
OK, thank you all for being here. Thank you for waking up with us. I'm Audie Cornish, and "CNN NEWS CENTRAL" is next.
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