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Interview with Jose Manuel Barroso; E.U. Versus the Eurozone; earthquake in Turkey; Interview with King Abdullah; Flooding in Bangkok; Kiwis Celebrate Rugby World Cup Victory; Tunisia's First Post-Revolution Election; Libya Declares Itself Liberated; Calls Growing for Investigation Into Gadhafi Killing; Reports of Secret Burial for Gadhafi; Child Sex Trafficking in Cambodia; Anti-Slavery Hotline; St. Paul's Cathedral Closes Doors Due to Occupy Protests; Occupy Movement's Place in History; Parting Shots of Occupy Banners
Aired October 24, 2011 - 16:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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JOSE MANUEL BARROSO, PRESIDENT, EUROPEAN COMMISSION: Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
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ZANE VERJEE, HOST: As leaders hammer out a deal to save the Eurozone, EC president, Jose Manuel Barroso, tells us exclusively why closer integration is key.
Live from London, hi.
I'm Zane Verjee.
Also tonight...
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SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This seven foot by seven foot windowless room with just a bed in it was where little girls were forced to have sex. This was actually as part of a brothel. It specialized in pre- pubescent girls.
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VERJEE: How young girls in Cambodia are being helped to escape a life of sexual slavery.
And...
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ERIC FONER, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY HISTORIAN: These protests could very well help to take down President Obama. I wouldn't be at all surprised.
LAKE: You think that?
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VERJEE: We look at how the Occupy protests could change the course of history.
Forty-eight hours and counting after a weekend meeting in Brussels, the most powerful leaders in Europe say they are now close to finalizing a plan to solve the region's debt crunch. But we will not know the details until their next meeting on Wednesday.
Investors around the world are desperate for a solution to the crisis on the continent. And the task at hand is complex.
Leaders of the 27 European Union countries need to figure out a way to save Greece and boost the European bailout fund as soon as possible so other countries don't share its fate.
CNN's Nina Dos Santos has been monitoring all the developments in Brussels.
She sat down today for an exclusive interview with the president of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso.
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NINA DOS SANTOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Here in Brussels, it feels a bit like the lull before the storm, after this weekend, the 27 heads of government of the 27 nations that are part of the European Union met and largely went home empty-handed after a series of fraught (ph) discussions about how exactly to solve the Eurozone crisis.
Now, as they limp ever closer toward the finish line, their self- imposed deadline on Wednesday, they're discussing all sorts of complicated issues -- how to beef up the Eurozone bailout fund, for instance. Also, how to recapitalize the banks and how to impose a haircut or a write-down on investors in Greek bonds.
As if those issues weren't complex enough, well, they've added more to their plate and opened up a whole new can of worms by deciding to perhaps re-examine the both treaties that govern the European Union.
I sat down with Jose Manuel Barroso, who is the president of the European Commission.
And I started out by asking him whether this was Maastricht revisited.
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BARROSO: We are not suggesting that a treaty change is the answer to the current difficulties. No. We are not saying that.
We are agreeing on a very important, comprehensive plan for the current crisis.
But, yes, we are drawing the lessons from this crisis. And one of the conclusions is that we need a stronger governance in the Euro area. It means more integration, more discipline, more convergence. It means completing the monetary union with a true economic union.
And for that, we may need a treaty change.
DOS SANTOS: Won't this just take more time that we don't have at the moment?
BARROSO: Our idea is to have a limited treaty change. In fact, we are going to present a report, the president of the European Council, myself and the president of the Euro Group, in December. So it may take not so long.
But once again, this limited treaty change is not the answer for the current crisis. For that, we are taking other measures. And I hope on Wednesday, the summit will, in fact, agree on a very comprehensive response.
But the treaty change will enable us to have a much more integrated Euro area. And this is good.
DOS SANTOS: Now, will you have something in place -- a deal in place by Wednesday?
BARROSO: I -- I am confident we are going to have this agreement, yes. There was progress in the summit. I am very happy that now the most important points are in place. But, yes, we still need to meet on Wednesday to agree on the final package. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. And we have to decide on Greece. We have to decide on the firewalls or the European Financial Stability Facility, how to leverage its capacity. We have to decide on the recapitalization of banks and also the main lines for increased governance in the Euro area, integration in the Euro area.
And some of these measures can be taken even without a treaty change.
DOS SANTOS: How integrated would you like to see the European Union and the Eurozone?
BARROSO: Well, as integrated as possible to achieve its goals of sustaining a common currency. When we designed the common currency, we made very important decisions, namely in terms of monetary union, with an independent central bank, for instance.
But the reality is that we are not yet an economic union. We need to advance in a more integrated way of coordinating our policies, addressing some imbalances, having, for instance, more convergence between our economies.
This can be done, also, if there are more competencies by the European institutions in terms of assuring this kind of discipline and convergence so that we can have a real economic union for the Euro area countries.
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DOS SANTOS: So, the deadline is getting ever closer. We're now just about just over a day away from Wednesday, when those final decisions should be taken.
But what we do know is that if a decision doesn't come before the G20, which will take place early next month in France, well, the language is likely to get quite a bit stronger.
Nina dos Santos, CNN, Brussels.
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VERJEE: Ahead of Wednesday's crucial meeting, cracks are beginning to appear in some of the most stable relationships in the EU.
First up, the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, and the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, are both really hesitant to put more of their countries' money into the European Stability Fund. But they can't seem to agree on what to do instead.
The British parliament, David Cameron, and Mr. Sarkozy, also had a little bit of a disagreement, too. Mr. Cameron has been criticizing the work of the Eurozone, even though his country in a part of it. And Mr. Sarkozy did not like it. He reportedly said to Cameron this: "We are sick of you criticizing us and telling us what to do. You say you hate the euro. Now you want to interfere."
Let's just remind you what that's all about. There are 27 countries in the European Union. They can all be asked to contribute to the bailout fund. But only 17 countries actually use the euro. So that means 10 countries, including Britain, may have to get involved even though they don't use the euro currency themselves.
The only way Britain could escape responsibility to the Eurozone would be if it actually left the European Union. Now, it may sound like an unbelievable idea, but it is actually being debated in the British parliament right now.
CNN's Phil Black is there -- Phil, what's the likely result going to be?
PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Zain, dozens of members of parliament, from Prime Minister David Cameron's own Conservative Party, are preparing right now to serve up a major political embarrassment to Mr. Cameron. It is expected that they're going to vote in favor of a motion calling for a referendum questioning on whether or not Britain should remain part of the European Union.
David Cameron has made it very clear he does not want this vote to take place, he does not want Conservative MPs to vote that way. He has tried to implement the party's strongest rules to stop them. He has been trying to pressure them behind the scenes. And today, he told parliament why he believes this is a bad idea being considered at a terrible time.
Take a listen.
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DAVID CAMERON, BRITAIN PRIME MINISTER: It is not the right time, at this moment of economic crisis, to launch legislation that includes an in/out referendum. When your neighbor's house is on fire, your first impulse should be to help them to put out the flames, not least to stop the flames reaching your own house.
This is not the time...
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CAMERON: -- this is not the time to argue about walking away, not just for their sakes, but for ours.
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BLACK: Now, these rebel MPs will not win the vote. They simply do not have the numbers. But this matters, because they are issuing a direct challenge to the prime minister's authorities. Members of his own party defying his wish, regardless of what he has been saying.
And in so doing, they are showing the rest of Britain and the rest of Europe that the Conservative Party still remains bitterly divided over the issue of just what Britain's relationship should be with Europe after decades of bitter debate on this very issue -- Zain.
VERJEE: CNN's Phil Black reporting.
Opinions on the whole concept of the European Union can really vary from one country to the next.
Earlier today, we asked several young people from different EU countries for their thoughts, beginning right here in London.
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HECTOR MEZA: I actually believe it would be a mistake for the U.K. to leave the -- to leave the EU. Right now, there's a lot of young entrepreneurs, a lot of -- you know, in a lot of different fields, whether it's technology, fashion, crafts, etc. You know, these are very talented young people that they couldn't make a living if they didn't have access to the single market.
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RASTISLAV MOLNAR: I think the current public opinion on the EU is that people in Slovakia support EU. And that's my personal view, as well, that we belong to the EU both from the economic point of the view and from the cultural point of view.
But we are not happy with some decisions of The European Commission.
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PHILIP FABIAN: When I'm somewhere in between, I used to be very much in favor of the European Union and I am now becoming increasingly skeptical of the European Union because obviously our politicians are putting our -- are putting ideology over economics. And I think economics is the most important thing for our citizens to be happy with the European Union.
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VERJEE: Recapping our top story for you now, European leaders say they are close to a deal to solve the continent's debt crisis once and for all. The details, though, haven't been finalized, but they may be announced on Wednesday. It's a real complicated plan and the timing is crucial because the crisis is putting a strain on the global economy and the G-20 summit starts next week.
We're going to bring you the latest developments each night here on CNN.
You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD.
When we come back, we are going to take you live to Eastern Turkey, where rescue workers are combing the rubble for survivors of a devastating and deadly earthquake.
Then, it's the hot line helping to fight modern-day slavery. CNN's Freedom Project takes you behind the scenes of a human trafficking call center.
And games won and lost with the blow of the whistle -- we're going to take a look at some controversial calls from rugby's World Cup referees.
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VERJEE: I'm Zain Verjee in London.
You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD.
Let's take a look at some of the other stories we're following.
At least one person is reported dead in an explosion at a bus station in the Kenyan capital of Nairobi. Several more are wounded. This blats comes after a grenade explosion at a Nairobi bar that injured several people. Two days ago, the U.S. Embassy in Kenya warned that an attack could be imminent following threats from Al Shabab militants in Somalia.
Robert Nagila from affiliate NTV spoke to us a short while ago.
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ROBERT NAGLIA, JOURNALIST: If it is Al Shabab, that would mean a change of tactics, according to a lot of experts on the ground here, because a lot of people were expecting then to target high profile installations.
This would then mean that Al Shabab has been unable to penetrate into the major areas because of the heavy security presence and it's now targeting so-called soft targets.
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VERJEE: Rescue crews in Southeastern Turkey are desperately hunting for survivors in the wake of Sunday's powerful earthquake. They're searching the rubble of collapsed buildings, hoping to find people still alive after the deadly magnitude 7.2 quake. Medical aid and food are being trucked into Van. That's the largest city in the area devastated by the quake. But some villages are still unreachable.
Diana Magnay is following the rescue efforts.
She joins us now live from Van -- Diana, give us an idea of the latest on the rescue and recovery.
DIANA MAGNAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Zain.
Well, I'm at a site in Van, where rescue workers believe that they do have two people still alive in the rubble down there, not because they actually heard their voice, but that they have other indications, apparently.
So they are busily digging. You can see up there, they have some very heavy machinery they brought in the job a little earlier. And obviously this whole process starts with that moment where everybody just keeps very quiet and listens to see if there's any knocking or any cries or anything like that.
And then they use these instruments to detect sound waves. They're bringing in the dogs. And here, they believe that they do have two people, so they're continuing to dig.
And this is a scene which is kind of replicated in Van and in the other city of Ercis, which was badly affected by this earthquake and where I spent most the day today -- Zain.
VERJEE: Diana Magnay reporting.
Syria has now recalled its U.S. ambassador for consultations after the U.S. pulled its ambassador out of Syria. American officials say that there are credible threats against Robert Ford's safety. Ford was attacked by what's described as a pro-government armed mob in Damascus last month. He's been a really outspoken critic of the Syrian government's crackdown on anti-regime protests.
The man accused of plotting to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the U.S. has pleaded not guilty. Manssor Arbabsiar is accused of trying to hire hit men from a Mexican drug cartel to kill Ambassador Adel al-Jubeir in Washington. Prosecutors say the plot has ties to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Arbabsiar is a naturalized U.S. citizen.
Jordan's King Abdullah swore in a new cabinet Monday, as the nation looks to speed up the pace of reforms in the wake of the Arab spring. In an exclusive interview with CNN, the king repeated his commitment to political reform. He told CNN's John Defterios that he wants to hold national elections next year.
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KING ABDULLAH, JORDAN: -- if we're going from the Arab Spring to the Arab Summer. In other words, we need to roll up our -- our sleeves. And we have to get -- to get to national elections in 2012, we have to ratify 30 laws and amendments. So there's going to be tremendous work between the government and the parliament so that we can get ourselves in position for elections in 2012.
JOHN DEFTERIOS, HOST, "MARKETPLACE MIDDLE EAST": But some would say this is a knee-jerk reaction to the street. It's almost desperate, if you're going to change governments that quickly, that you're not letting a government settle in to get a -- a mandate to change laws.
ABDULLAH: I don't think it was a knee-jerk reaction. It's just if we're sincere about getting Jordan to national elections and a new phase of political life, you've got to get the right players. So this prime minister is coming in for a specific reason, so that we can achieve those ends.
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VERJEE: Thailand's flood crisis is getting worse. That message from Thai authorities, who ordered evacuations in five more parts of Bangkok and say it's going to be weeks before waters recede. The Finance Ministry says the overall damage could top $6 billion. The disaster has already killed 356 people, with 113,000 living in shelters.
Paula Hancocks has more from Bangkok.
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PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Water is inching ever closer to Central Bangkok. This Monday, we've seen some buildings in the central business district start to put up sandbags around their entrances just in case. Authorities, though, do tell CNN that they're still confident that the central part of Bangkok can remain dry.
That is little comfort, though, for those in the suburbs. We are seeing more suburbs in the north being submerged in water and more neighborhoods are having to be evacuated.
Also, the Don Mueang domestic airport in Bangkok is starting to be surrounded by water, a meter of water in some areas there. Now, we have about 3,500 people that we've seen in tiny tents within the domestic airport, in the departures and the arrivals area. Authorities say that they won't be moving those evacuees anywhere, they are safe on the higher levels.
But, ironically, this airport is also where the flood relief operations command is headquartered. They're considering whether or not they have to move out to try and keep the headquarters dry.
Now, while water further north, we're being told by authorities, is actually starting to recede from the northern parts of Thailand, within Bangkok itself, the waters are still rising. The Chao Phraya River, which runs through the capital, is still rising. The next focus for authorities is next weekend and into early next week, when the high tides come back once again. Obviously, that will hamper some of the water flowing through the canals and through the rivers into the sea.
As for time lines, we have been told by authorities they believe that it will be at least two weeks before we can see the situation start to improve. Some said it could be up to six weeks before the waters recede.
Paula Hancocks, CNN, Bangkok.
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VERJEE: You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD live here on CNN.
Coming up, it's the party every Kiwi has been waiting for. New Zealand's Rugby World Cup heroes share their victory with the nation. Look at them cheer.
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VERJEE: Joy on the streets of Auckland on Monday. New Zealand Captain Richie McCaw and his team were met by tens of thousands of cheering fans after the All Blacks beat France to win the Rugby World Cup.
Around 200,000 kiwis turned up to give their side a hero's welcome. The team paraded the city's streets in open top vehicles with McCaw and the head coach, Graham Henry, showing off the trophy.
Welcome back to CONNECT THE WORLD. fans around New Zealand will have the chance to celebrate with their heroes in parades that will be happening in Christchurch on Tuesday and Wellington on Wednesday.
CNN's Alex Thomas was on the packed streets of Auckland as all the excitement in the capital reached fever pitch.
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ALEX THOMAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is a once in a lifetime experience for New Zealanders cheering on their famous team of All Blacks as they parade through Auckland as rugby's new world champions.
We've seen people on top of phone boxes, on top of bus shelters, leaning out of office windows, getting any vantage point they can to see Captain Richie McCaw and his boys with that famous Webb Ellis Trophy. it was so much closer than they expected against France in the final, just a one point margin of victory. But maybe that makes the success all the sweeter.
This won't be the only parade that the All Blacks team does. They're going to go on to other cities, too, most notably Christchurch, and that's very poignant. That town suffered a devastating earthquake earlier in the year. It damaged the stadium there and meant they couldn't host any World Cup games.
As the trophy is lifted again, every time it is, the crowd cheers. They are relishing this moment.
And why shouldn't they?
World Cup organizers say this tournament will be played out in a stadium of four million, the population of this country. And by common consent, they delivered that.
The All Blacks victory is just the icing on the cake.
Alex Thomas, CNN, Auckland, New Zealand.
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VERJEE: Fantastic scenes as New Zealanders see their team lift the World Cup for the first time in 24 years.
For more on this story, I'm joined by "WORLD SPORT'S" Candy Reid from CNN Center -- Candy, you watched, right?
How much does winning this World Cup mean to the people of New Zealand?
CANDY REID, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, I watched, Zain.
Thank you very much.
It means a huge amount. You could just see it on the players' faces as soon as the final whistle blew, that 8-7 victory so close over France. The players just didn't -- they didn't really know what to do with themselves. They were so tired and exhausted. It was such a close final. and this means everything to the people of New Zealand. As you said, it's been 24 years in the making. New Zealand won that 1987 inaugural World Cup by beating France in the final at Eden Park in Auckland. So now it's happened again.
Since then, Zain, New Zealand have really been the favorites to win every World Cup, but they haven't managed it. Now, they finally have their second one. And after the Christchurch earthquake and the mining disaster, well, this is just what the people in that country needed -- Zain.
VERJEE: Will this World Cup, though, will be remembered for some of the questionable refereeing that was out there?
REID: You know, I don't think so. Maybe the welsh and South African rugby fans will disagree with me. And, of course, there was that big moment, wasn't there, in the game between wales and France.
You know, was it -- should the captain have been sent off?
Well, by the letter of the law, yes, he should. But some argued it was too early, Sanwell Burton (ph) was harshly treated and Wales' chances went down with that.
But, no, I don't think so. I think this tournament will be remembered for New Zealand winning it on home turf after what's happened to them in the past year-and-a-half or so. This will be remembered as New Zealand's tournament -- Zain.
VERJEE: Candy, thanks.
And Candy is going to have much more ahead on "WORLD SPORT".
You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD here on CNN.
Just ahead, a step forward for Tunisia, where the votes have been counted from the country's first free elections. In just a moment, we're going to tell you who's claiming to be in the lead.
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FONER: On the one hand, democracy is growing in places like Egypt and other -- they've had democratic revolutions. On the other hand, in Europe and the United States, there's a feeling among many, many people that democracy is not really functioning properly.
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VERJEE: Democracy may be growing in some country's but a top historian warns there is a dangerous deficit elsewhere. Why the Occupy movement should be taken seriously.
That's next right here on CONNECT THE WORLD.
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ZAIN VERJEE, HOST: You're back with CONNECT THE WORLD on CNN, the world's news leader. Let's get a quick check of the headlines this hour.
Top European leaders say they are getting very close to a solution for Europe's debt crisis once and for all. Heads of 27 EU countries were in Brussels over the weekend to hash out the details. A final agreement's expected to be announced at their next meeting on Wednesday.
An explosion at a bus station in Kenya's capital killed at least one person. It follows a grenade blast at a Nairobi bar just blocks away from the station. Several people were injured at that bar.
The death toll is climbing in eastern Turkey from Sunday's 7.2 magnitude earthquake. Turkey's semi-official Anatolia news agency says at least 279 people were killed. That number's expected to rise.
A not-guilty plea from the man accused of plotting to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the US. Manssor Arbabsiar is accused of trying to hire hit men from a Mexican drug cartel to kill the ambassador.
Official results aren't due until Tuesday, but Islamists are reportedly claiming the lead in Tunisia's first democratic election.
CNN's Ivan Watson's following the vote count from Tunis. Ivan, what would an Islamist victory mean for Tunisia?
IVAN WATSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's a question that's already been debated. There was a fair amount of controversy running up to the election on Sunday about this.
The party in question, Ennahdha Party, was calling this a fear- mongering campaign, because a series of commercials came out over YouTube and over Tunisian TV that presented a possible Islamist-ruled Tunisia where women would be prevented from wearing head scarves or prevented from being able to go outside.
And that party said no, we're not going to change people's secular lifestyles here at all. Islam and democracy can work hand-in-hand.
The leaders of this party, which looks like it is the first place winner, although the official results aren't out yet, they are insisting that Islam and democracy can work hand-in-hand and that they will not infringe on people's rights here, that they are an inclusive party for all Tunisians.
And the fact that it doesn't look so far as if any one party has gotten a clear majority means that this Ennahdha Party would have to work in some kind of coalition with other --
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VERJEE: Ivan, how does what happens in Tunis, when the results come out, set the tone for the rest of region and many who really value modern, liberal values?
WATSON: Well, that's a good point. Tunisia is the first country this year of the Arab world to have overthrown its long-serving dictator -- long-ruling dictator. And now, it's the first country to hold a successful election in the Arab Spring, that diplomats and election monitors are applauding. Take a listen to what one of these men had to say today.
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RICHARD WILLIAMSON, INTERNATIONAL REPUBLICAN INSTITUTE: Yesterday, they showed an Arab country can administer an election that's well-run, that gives people an opportunity to choose their own destiny. That an Arab country can create a new reality for their people and give an example for others.
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WATSON: Now, look at what happened since Tunisia had its historic revolution. That triggered a movement, a pro-democracy movement that continues to ripple across the Middle East. It is transforming -- helping transform this region.
And now, they've had a successful free, fair, transparent, and peaceful election that is surely being watched by the Arab world. Egypt is scheduled to have its own election within about six weeks. Next-door, Libya has gone through this bloody and brutal civil war..
All of these countries have been led, in fact, and inspired by Tunisia and probably are watching at how the election unfolded and how this appointment of a new constituent assembly, which will be charged with writing a constitution, how it will function. I'm sure it could be a model or some kind of inspiration for other Arab countries going through transition, Zain.
VERJEE: Ivan Watson reporting from Tunis.
The latest country hoping to follow in Tunisia's footsteps toward democracy is Libya. The nation declared itself liberated in a joyful ceremony on Sunday. The interim leader, Mustafa Abdel Jalil, told the crowd legislation would be based on Islamic Sharia law.
Meantime, we're learning more about the brutal final moments of the former leader, Moammar Gadhafi. I just want to warn you, you may find this next video disturbing. It shows a bloody Gadhafi being pulled and beaten in the chaos that followed his capture at Sirte. An autopsy found that he died of a gunshot to the head.
The new government says Moammar Gadhafi was killed in crossfire after his capture, but calls are growing today for an investigation into the killing, including from the United Nations.
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BAN KI-MOON, SECRETARY GENERAL, UNITED NATIONS: My High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay, has made it quite clear that there needs to be an investigation to the circumstances where and how Colonel Gadhafi was killed. That is important.
Of course, we are relieved that Libyan people have finally been able to regain and get the legitimate right to live in peace and security.
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VERJEE: And human rights advocates are calling for the interim government to investigate these deaths. Fifty-three bodies have been discovered in Sirte. That's where Gadhafi was found in one of his last strongholds. Human Rights Watch says the victims appeared to have been supporters of the former leader held prisoner before they were killed.
Now, Reuters is reporting that Gadhafi's body will be buried tomorrow in a secret location in the desert. Our Senior International Correspondent Dan Rivers joins us now from Tripoli with the latest. Dan, what more can you tell us about that secret burial?
DAN RIVERS, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Well, we were in Misrata, where the body is behind held, a few hours ago, and they were attempting to stop more people coming in to view the body.
They weren't being very successful in their endeavors because every time they tried to stop -- close the gates, effectively, more people would turn up, and there'd be a big argument, and they'd be let in.
But you got the impression they were trying to wrap up this bizarre public showing of the body, I assume because that means they were about to do something with the body, i.e. move it, and that would chime in with that Reuters reports suggesting he's going to be buried tomorrow at a secret location.
But certainly the questions about how he he died are not going away as more video has emerged of people claiming to have pulled the trigger. I spoke to one young many today at the site where the body's being displayed who claimed to have seen both Mutassim and Moammar Gadhafi being executed, and I said, "Well, why did they do that?"
And he simply said, "Because they were worried that there would be more fighting if Gadhafi loyalists tried to rescue them as prisoners." That was the justification he gave. I have no idea if he's telling the truth or not.
But there certainly seems to be a lot of circumstantial evidence emerging that this was not as it was portrayed by the transitional government, that he was shot in the crossfire, that this may have been more of an execution, effectively.
VERJEE: Senior International Correspondent Dan Rivers reporting from Tripoli.
Just ahead on CONNECT THE WORLD, protecting young girls from the sex trade.
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DON BREWSTER, AGAPE INTERNATIONAL MISSIONS: On the surface, you would say that doesn't happen. But just yesterday we rescued a five-year-old girl here in Svay Pak.
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VERJEE: Our Freedom Project takes us to a village in Cambodia where one many makes it his mission to help end modern-day slavery.
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VERJEE: The CNN Freedom Project is helping keep the spotlight on human trafficking. A powerful documentary made its TV premier on CNN this weekend. "Not My Life" was filmed on five continents over four years. It really touches on all forms of modern-day slavery, from bonded labor to child soldiers.
But perhaps the most difficult to understand is child sex trafficking. Take a look.
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GLENN CLOSE, NARRATOR, "NOT MY LIFE": On the shores of the Mekong River outside Phnom Penh, live children whose lives are in daily danger.
To the homes of these poor families come sex traffickers looking for young girls to bring into the city, where travelers from abroad await them.
BREWSTER: Right behind me, you see the two-story yellow building, looks pretty nice compared to the other buildings back there. That's one of the brothels specifically for young girls. Westerners, foreigners from all over the world come to that brothel every day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what do you have down behind that little alleyway? What do you see when you go back there?
BREWSTER: You'll see row upon row, actually, of tiny little shacks. You'll see little boardwalks, and I mean little, narrow boards to walk in between those places. Those are holding pens for young girls.
And when a Westerner or, again, a foreigner comes to this village, they'll take him back there, they'll go house to house, or shack to shack, really, look at the girls, pick one out, and then have them delivered to their guest house or the hotel that you're staying at.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the guest house is also in the vicinity?
BREWSTER: Usually they take them back to Phnom Penh.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Out of their village?
BREWSTER: Yes. Depends on the deal they negotiate. Could be keep them for as little as overnight or a few hours to a week or a month. Oh, yes, yes. Guys will come and they'll take a girl for a month.
We have girls at our aftercare center who guys would come in once a quarter and have that -- pick up that same girl and have them with him for a month at a time. And I mean, just brutalize them for that month.
Westerners come into Svay Pak every day. I mean, there's not a single day Westerners don't come here, and there's no reason to come here except for that.
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VERJEE: Cambodia is one of many countries where foreign predators go looking for sex. CNN's Sara Sidner has this report from Svay Pak, where activists are really hoping to undo the damage done to former child slaves.
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SARA SIDNER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is Svay Pak, Cambodia, once a place known for openly selling little girls to foreign predators looking for sex. Polly was one of those girls.
"I was about five or six years old," she says. Before she could read, she was working in a brothel.
"The first man said to me, "I want to have sex with you." At the time, I didn't know what to do. No one could help me," she says. Dozens of girls have had the same experience here.
SIDNER (on camera): This seven-foot by seven-foot windowless room with just a bed in it was where little girls were forced to have sex. This was actually a part of a brothel that specialized in prepubescent girls.
SIDNER (voice-over): And this is where Polly once lived and suffered as a sex slave.
"At the beginning, they talked to me gently. But when the raped me, they also beat me up," she says.
Polly is now 18 and no longer trapped. She found a safe haven after Don Brewster and his wife moved into the neighborhood and began operating a rehabilitation center for child sex slaves.
BREWSTER: I really think it's an evil. I mean, there's no understanding it. There's no -- the girls, they're in such pain and suffer so greatly, and it's obvious to the man that's raping them.
SIDNER: Things have changed in Svay Pak. Girls no longer beckon openly from behind barred windows.
BREWSTER: On the surface, you would say that doesn't happen. But just yesterday we rescued a five-year-old girl here in Svay Pak.
SIDNER: But the sex trade is operating more discreetly and much less pervasive than it was before there was a place that provided a secure environment for children to just be children.
Sara Sidner, CNN, Svay Pak, Cambodia.
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VERJEE: The Polaris Project is a US-based group that combats all forms of human trafficking. CNN's Jim Clancy joins us now from the headquarters in Washington, where they run a 24-hour hotline. Jim, tell us a little bit about what they do and how they do it.
JIM CLANCY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is really a whole network that comes together with one single hotline. Someone who suspects human trafficking, a victim of human trafficking, can call into the national hotline and they will be connected with call specialists that are here working 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
They, then, link them up with local law enforcement, with legal assistance. They could help them on immigration issues, they can help them to get back a passport that's been taken away.
This goes far beyond sex trafficking. This hotline is growing by leaps and bounds in the United States, and as Bradley Miles, one of the co- founders, told me today, there are some trends emerging. Listen.
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BRADLEY MILES, CEO AND DIRECTOR, POLARIS PROJECT: The trends that we're seeing, we're seeing a lot of calls about domestic servitude, about women held in homes in these forced labor situations. That's one of our most frequent call types on the labor trafficking side.
On the sex trafficking side, we're seeing so many calls about US citizen violent pimps. More than 1,000 calls specifically about that form of trafficking.
So, we're seeing that the issue is morphing. It's a fluid issue, and we're reminded as a -- at a daily basis, almost, that the traffickers are changing their game, and the movement needs to be as nimble and as fluid to be able to change that way, too.
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CLANCY: Now, it should be pointed out, this Polaris Project is a lot more than just the hotline. They do research on what's happening, how the traffickers are changing their modes of operation, as Miles was referring to, there. It is the way that they stay ahead of the game and they stay relevant.
But what's really important is the number of people that are calling in. Just a year ago, there was perhaps 1,000 people a month. Today, more than 2,000 people a month are calling in. There's extra people that are added, here.
And as I look over at some of the meters, you can see they're in the red. They're handling the maximum number of calls. Zain, that's good news. It's lifting people out of modern-day slavery. Back to you.
VERJEE: What are some of the main challenges, the difficulties they face every day?
CLANCY: The basic difficulty is a lack of awareness on the part of the public. That's changing right now. People are becoming more aware.
The other problem that they have is that law enforcement isn't geared up to handle these cases. Who do you call?
Now, they've been very successful in identifying a network where they can reach out to people that are interested in stopping cases of human trafficking. Police officers who give up their cell phone numbers, they're available 24 hours a day.
They can be there. They can actually put somebody out at a payphone booth on the streets of a city in the United States in literally a matter of minutes. That's what's really important, Zain.
VERJEE: CNN's Jim Clancy reporting from Washington, DC. Thanks a lot, Jim. Good to see you.
Be sure to join us right here on Wednesday where we're going to take a long look, an hour-long at some of the CNN Freedom Project's most powerful moments.
From actress Demi Moore's eye-opening expose on sex trafficking in Nepal to the horrific story of Shweyga Mullah, the domestic servant of Moammar Gadhafi's son who says she was brutally abused. That's Wednesday, right here on CONNECT THE WORLD.
Just ahead on this show, the historic doors of a British landmark are still shut.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Banks and politics are now completely inter- related, so the politics has actually ignored everyone, the vast majority of people in this country.
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VERJEE: Coming up, a look at why demonstrators are holding their ground as we are. Could this become a global social movement?
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VERJEE: London under siege. During the Blitz, St. Paul's Cathedral was so badly damaged, it was forced to close its doors. The famous church, the venue for Prince Charles and the late Princess Diana's wedding, has remained open ever since. Until now, that is.
You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD on CNN. There are now fears a famous British landmark could be closed even over Christmas. CNN's Erin McLaughlin explains.
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ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Over 200 tents fill the space outside of St. Paul's Cathedral here in London, pitched in protest for what many say are the inequities of the global financial crisis. The surrounding camp has forced this 400-year-old landmark to close its doors for what clergy say are health and safety issues.
MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): The last time its doors were forced to shutter, it was the Blitz, September 12th, 1940, after a bomb fell next to the southwest tower.
A spokesperson for Occupy London admitted that this space is at capacity. And so, they've expanded their operation. Over 100 protesters have pitched their tents here, at Finsbury Square, located on the edge of London's financial district. Many of them say that this is about joining a global movement.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Banks and politics are now completely inter- related, so the politics has actually ignored everyone, the vast majority of people in this country and, of course, across the world. So, I'm here to represent the people that feel that they have no voice. But also to effect a change.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone has different reasons for being here, but myself personally, I think there should be a greater degree of corporate accountability and responsibility, particularly with the banks.
They're supposed to be the most polarized ideal of what capitalism represents. By their own system, they've failed under laissez-faire system, they should have been allowed to fail, because the market should have decided their fate. However, it hasn't worked like that, and the government's bailed them out.
So, I think that there needs to be greater regulation of banks.
MCLAUGHLIN (on camera): And how long do you expect this process to take?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm here until we've got the 99 percent on board and everyone signed to think about it. However long that takes. Indefinitely.
MCLAUGHLIN: Protesters have been gathering at this park for two days, now, and already it looks pretty full. Volunteers say that further expansion to other sites in London is possible.
Erin McLaughlin, CNN, London.
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VERJEE: Occupy protests have spread to more than 900 cities around the world, but whether these demonstrations have enough power to create change really remains to be seen. Maggie Lake takes a look at this movement's place in history.
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CROWD (chanting): We are the 99 percent!
MAGGIE LAKE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As Occupy Wall Street enters its fifth week, some commentators are drawing parallels to everything from this year's Arab Spring to the Vietnam protests of the 1960s.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- that the FBI is closely watching all anti-war activity.
LAKE: Columbia University historian Eric Foner is an expert on US radicalism. The Nobel Laureate, once an anti-war activist himself, says the Occupy protests should be taken seriously.
ERIC FONER, HISTORIAN, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY: Well, many protests in American history have focused on the economy, especially as, today, in a period of economic depression or recession, in the early 1930s, during the Depression, there were vast social movements which, often like this, seemed very inchoate at the beginning.
There were people protesting evictions from their homes because they couldn't pay their mortgage or rent. There were farmers blocking roads out in the midwest, trying to prevent crops from going to market because they were getting paid so little for their crops.
The labor movement, really -- the modern labor movement comes out of the 1930s strikes.
LAKE (on camera): I think people think because the messages are sort of ambiguous or that there are not clear-cut demands --
FONER: Right.
LAKE: -- that they're not going to result in any kind of change. When we look back in the 30s, were those protests that started in a similar way, did they bring about change, or is that not so clear-cut?
FONER: Oh, they did, but not through specific demands. I think it is a big misconception -- you see this in the media, unfortunately, sometimes -- that what these protests ought to do is issue a set of ten demands. "Here's what we want, 22 percent tax on derivatives, or --"
No. That is completely the wrong -- that's what politicians do. The role of protest is to galvanize public opinion. It's to pose a moral question and make people discontented. Go back to the abolitionists in the 1930s. They had -- in the 1830s. They had this figured out. They didn't put forward a plan for getting rid of slavery. They said, our job is to convince people slavery is wrong.
LAKE: It seems to me that when people are protesting the morality or the wrongness of a social issue, of discrimination, of slavery, of human rights, you get an immediate, visceral reaction.
Economically, a little tougher, because some of the people who may be in that same boat as you think that they're part of the rich, or they would like to be rich.
FONER: Right.
LAKE: The message seems harder to connect to.
FONER: Absolutely. Well, there has never been in the United States the way there has been in other countries this sort of serious class politics. Partly because of exactly what you said, that most people in the United States think of themselves as middle class.
If you ask -- polls, 80 percent say "I'm middle class" even if in actual income, they're not. And we have this aspiration of the American dream, of people working hard and moving up in the social scale which, of course, happens in many cases.
But I think today, there is the sense that that road is blocked.
LAKE: Political response to this, tradition in the US. Again, abroad, we see this -- these kind of protests take down governments --
FONER: Absolutely.
LAKE: -- a lot. Are there coalition governments, different system, different culture when it comes to this sort of moving of treatment ---
FONER: All these protests could very well help to take down President Obama. I wouldn't be at all surprised.
LAKE: You think that?
FONER: In the -- they're not directed against Obama specifically, they're directed against a political and economic system of which he's a part. But if I were President Obama and his advisers, I would be very nervous.
I teach here at Columbia University. Four years ago, the kind of people who were out there in Occupy Wall Street were all working for Obama. Well, we haven't really had a heck of a lot of change, and I think now this shows a tremendous disillusionment with the Obama administration on the part of the young.
LAKE: What do you think the lesson from history is, as we look at this and try to figure it out?
FONER: Right now, there is what I would call a democracy deficit in many countries. On the one hand, democracy is growing in places like Egypt and other -- they've had democratic revolutions.
On the other hand, in Europe and the United States, there's a feeling among many, many people that democracy is not really functioning properly.
When governments continue to do things that are deeply unpopular, there's going to be a reckoning sometime. I don't know what form of reckoning. It could take many different directions, some of them very pernicious, some of them very forward-looking.
But I think this -- if politicians are going to learn a lesson from this, it is that there is a deep democracy deficit, and if we do claim to be a democracy, we better address that.
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VERJEE: Columbia University historian Eric Foner talking to Maggie Lake.
As Maggie was just saying there, the protesters demands are not clear- cut, there are a lot of issues getting people fired up. In tonight's Parting Shots, a look at the different banners in the demonstrations.
In New York, a mother camps out with her three children. "My mama ain't on welfare, but your bank is."
For these campaigners, police brutality is the hot-button issue, as they march through lower Manhattan.
To London, where protesters are camped outside St. Paul's Cathedral and, in this banner, they're quoting a famous prayer.
Soul power and the life of Mahatma Gandhi is the message for some campers in Washington.
A simple statement from one protester in Montreal, Canada. Your pet - - yes, your pet -- can send a powerful message, too. "We are 99 percent." That's a slogan, an economic claim which refers to the difference in wealth between the top 1 percent and all the remaining citizens in the United States.
And finally, if you've been camping for a long time and you fancy a new makeover, look no further.
I'm Zain Verjee, thanks so much for watching. The world news headlines and "BackStory" are up next here on CNN.
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