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Egypt In Danger Of Becoming Another Pakistan; Queen Elizabeth Set To Shake Hands With Former IRA Leader Martin McGuinness

Aired June 22, 2012 - 16:00   ET

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MAX FOSTER, HOST: Tonight on Connect the World, protesting against what they see as a military power grab. Tens of thousands of Egyptians right now are packed into Cairo's Tahrir Square.

ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World.

FOSTER: Just ahead, a former member of a radical Islamic group tells us why he's worried Egypt is going down the same path as Pakistan.

Also tonight, an historic handshake is set between Britain's Queen Elizabeth and Northern Ireland's deputy first minister. Why it will be a truly momentous moment.

And the EuroZone's bailout battle moves to the pitch. We'll bring you live Euro 2012 score update throughout the hour.

We begin with reports that Egypt's first ever democratic president will be a figure from the old regime. A semi-official news agency says former prime minister Ahmed Shafik will be declared the winner of runoff elections on Sunday. If true, that would not go over well with many of the protesters in Tahrir Square.

The Muslim Brotherhood has been spearheading demonstrations there and supporters own presidential candidate and against military interference in civilian affairs. But today the military issued a warning of its own.

Ben Wedeman following all of these developments for us tonight from Cairo.

Incredible scene there, Ben, in Tahrir Square. Who is there? What are they saying?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, basically all day, Max, they have been calling for the military to leave power and to come out with the results of this election. Regarded in this report in one of the semi-official news websites here to the effect that government officials say that Ahmed Shafik will be named the next president of Egypt on Sunday. We need to take these reports with a good deal of skepticism. There's no reason to believe that report any more than the report earlier in the week from the official news agency that Hosni Mubarak was clinically dead when in fact he, by all reports, seems to be getting better by the day. And so we need to wait for the official results are announced.

Ironically on one of these websites, on the English website says that Ahmed Shafik has -- will be named the president on Sunday, another website, same website in Arabic says that Mohammed Morsi is still ahead in the race. So let's wait until those official results are announced before we take any of these claims very seriously -- Max.

FOSTER: Have we had any more explanations, then, about why there is this delay in the result?

WEDEMAN: Well, the results were supposed to be announced yesterday, but the presidential election commission said that they needed to investigate more than 400 claims of voting irregularities. And as a result of that, they said that they will not make any announcement so all of those claims have been cleared up.

Some officials are saying that the results will be announced tomorrow, others are saying Sunday. So it is just a question of being patient and waiting for those results to be announced.

FOSTER: OK, Ben. We'll be patient. Thank you very much indeed for joining us.

A democracy on paper, but a strong military pulling strings behind the scenes -- some analysts say the power struggle in Egypt is starting to look a lot like the situation in Pakistan. The military there has always had influence over civilian matters, sometimes ruling through dictatorship, other times more discretely.

Hopes were high after General Pervez Musharraf resigned from the presidency a few years ago, but recent events show democracy in Pakistan is as struggled as ever. The latest drama involves the ruling party's choice for prime minister. Reza Sayah has that part of the story for us from Islamabad.

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REZA SAYAH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It took a lot of dramatic twists and turns, but Pakistan finally has a new prime minister, his name is Raja Pervez Ashraf. Ashraf voted in by parliament. He's widely viewed as a staunch loyalist in the Pakistan's People's Party, the party of Pakistani president Asif Ali Zardari. Most recently he served as minister in the cabinet of outgoing Prime Minister Yousef Raza Gilani.

All eyes on Mr. Ashraf and the civilian government now to see if they can restore some stability and calm after a politically tumultuous week here in Pakistan.

Getting here was an adventure. Of course earlier this week the supreme court ousting Mr. Yousef Raza Gilani, the former prime minister on the basis he was convicted on contempt charges. That was a ball of confusion in itself.

Getting to this point wasn't easy either. Initially the Pakistan People's Party nominating a man by the name of Makhdoom Shahabuddin for prime minister, but a couple of hours after he submitted his nomination papers on Thursday, a court here in Pakistan issued an arrest warrant for him in connection with a drug scandal back in 2010, that's when he was health minister.

He denied any wrongdoing, but it was too late. He was out as the nominee. And that's when the name of Raja Pervez Ashraf emerged.

Many say this week's events in Pakistan are this country's version of democracy at work, others say it's the same old clash of institutions while tens of millions of Pakistanis suffer and go without the basic needs. And while this country is facing a host of crises like widespread poverty, corruption, a woeful economy, the fight against militancy, and of course its troubled relations with Washington. Again, all eyes now on the civilian government soon to be led by Mr. Ashraf to see if they can fix things.

Reza Sayah, CNN, Islamabad.

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FOSTER: Well, earlier I talked with the co-founder of and chairman of Quilliam who says Egypt is going the way of Pakistan. Majif Nawaz of Pakistani descent who was jailed in Egypt in the 90s for belonging to a radical Islamist group. Nawaz is now a leading critic of his former Islamist dogma. Here is part of our conversation.

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MAAJID NAWAZ, DIRECTOR, QUILLIAM FOUNDATION: What I'm worried about is that the armed forces in Egypt, the Supreme Council of Armed Forces are going to adopt a Pakistan model, something we used to see in Turkey 10 years ago when the military appoint themselves as guardians of the constitution. They then grant themselves the right to dismiss governments as and when they see fit, because they defined those governments happen to be somehow shape or form against the spirit of the constitution.

What they just done recently in Egypt is an example of that. They dismissed the entire parliament. They appointed themselves as having the right to pretty much control foreign policy. And now with the influence of the military the results of who actually won, officially, the presidential elections has not been declared.

Now that is strangely reminiscent of Pakistan. Only three days ago, it was being termed a judicial coup, the prime minister of that country has been dismissed for a similarly unconstitutional type allegation. And of course we know that in Pakistan, no one civilian government has ever completed a full term in office from the day of inception of that country.

So we're very worried that that type of situation is going to arise in Egypt.

FOSTER: Are we jumping the gun here, because there might be a perfectly legitimate reason for the delay of these results?

NAWAZ: There may be, but of course dismissing an entire parliament in that fashion is certainly worrying. And we do know that a military have interfered before.

Now let's keep in mind one thing, Mubarak who has been tried and convicted was not the only one responsible for the brutal dictatorship that existed in Egypt for so long. I mean, the people that are currently running the armed forces were pretty much the same people that were running -- that were running the regime under Mubarak.

So they are the old guard. So we should be, you know, right to be wary of them.

FOSTER: It's your suspicion that they want a system where they're not in government necessarily, but they're policing government in their own way.

NAWAZ: Yeah, that's what they call themselves the guardians of the constitution. That's what happened in Turkey. And that's a worry, because what Egypt really needs is an entrenchment of democratic culture, and an entrenchment of democratic institutions and an entrenchment of democratic processes. If those three things can be achieved, it matters less who is actually in government -- whether it's the Muslim Brotherhood, whether it's Shafik, whether it's Sabahi, whether its Amr Moussa, if those three things exist: the culture, the institutions, and the processes of democracy, then we'll have an orderly transition of power every time there are elections.

But you see the military interfering in the way that it is, it sort of damages the existence of this democratic culture.

FOSTER: And your organization works closely in Pakistan, has an office in Pakistan, what's the worst thing would you say about the system that they have operating there now.

NAWAZ: Well, it's a nascent democracy, it's only just coming out of the tail end of a military dictatorship. And so these three that I've identified: the democratic culture, the institutions, and the processes are still very weak in Pakistan. And that's what needs improving. And again, by arbitrarily dismissing governments in the way that Pakistan has done throughout its history whether by military coups or by judicial coups isn't healthy for encouraging the democratic processes.

FOSTER: You can see why it's kind of an attractive option, though, for military rulers in countries like Egypt can't you, because it's a system where they can be seen to keep face and keep the system going, but they're still in control.

NAWAZ: It is. And I think stability is something that seems to be attractive not just for the military rulers in Egypt, but for the international community. For a long time, the dichotomy of extremism or stability in the form of a dictatorship was something that the rest would toy with and they would prefer secular dictators over the prospect of the Muslim Brotherhood coming into power.

But I think it's high time we change that dichotomy, it's a false dichotomy. I think the longer we have dictatorship, even secular dictatorships, the more we are encourage extremism in those societies.

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FOSTER: We are actually going to get you up to date on a big match going on at Euro 2012. Pretty exciting two goals in the last 15 minutes. 2-1 to Germany. And we'll bring you the results a little later in the show in another 20 minutes or so of that match to go, to the end at least.

Also ahead, football and finance -- my interview with the crown prince of Greece.

Then a crowning achievement of Britain's monarch and a former IRA commander agree to cement the Irish peace process.

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FOSTER: You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me Max Foster. Welcome back to you.

Let's bring you an update on the big match going on in Euro 2012, a pretty exciting match, three goals in the last 15 minutes. Current score stands at 3-1 to Germany. We'll bring you the results a little later on in the show for you.

Some good news maybe coming out of the EuroZone for a change. At a mini-summit as it's called in Rome today, Europe's big four plead to do more to get the continent growing again, although they didn't lay out how they were going to do that. The united front to boost growth will be welcome news to many struggling economies ahead of a major EU summit next week.

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FRANCOIS HOLLANDE, FRENCH PRESIDENT (through translator): We spoke about essential package of growth. A figure was given of 1 percent of European GDP which has to be mobilized with a time table and it has to be as soon as possible.

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FOSTER: One country desperately in need of a boost is Greece. The newly elected government has promised to try to renegotiate the austere terms of their bailout. Earlier I spoke to Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece who told me that the Greeks won't be able to cope with any more austerity.

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CROWN PRINCE PAVLOS, GREECE: The Greek people were voting to survive. They want to see growth. They need to see anaptics (ph) is what we call it in Greek which is a mixture of sort of growth and rebuilding is a word that we have, anaptics (ph), and that is what they were voting for I think. And so we need to push that image into Europe.

But the Greeks voted to stay within the system. They're not necessarily pro-austerity, but they're willing to work with it and put its right foot forward and work hard for the future.

FOSTER: The governments -- the indications are that they're not happy with the austerity program. It's too tough, too quick. Hoping that the European leaders will slacken the sort of expectations of what to do when. Do you think they're likely to get that considering that Spain and now Italy look so vulnerable and they're becoming the priorities?

PAVLOS: I think that they have to find a way to work with Greece on slackening some of these requirements over a period of time, not necessarily to do change the structure, but just let it work over a slightly longer period of time, otherwise you will not see a survivability of this government or any other one, I think. So they need to show that, you know, we voted to stay with this, show us a little bit of help here, and let's work with the system. Because, yes, Spain and Italy are a huge economies with major, major problems. And they have to deal with those things as well.

FOSTER: There's been a lot of negative sentiment towards the Germans in Greece. Do you think that's just a temporary thing, or is there genuine anger with Germany right now and the pressure that they're putting on Greece?

PAVLOS: As Germans are concerned, the Greeks love the Germans as -- you know they are big tourist money for us. We bought multiples of products from them, so there's nothing in that respect. It's just the big nation factor of, oh, Germany is saying that you have to have austerity measures, therefore the position can blame somebody else for the pressure that they have to put on their people.

So let's take that out of the picture and actual facts. You know, if you could find better measures to work with, nobody would care as to who is putting the pressure on.

Of course, we love the Germans to come over and be tourists. In fact, I think the day after the elections, tourist offices were taking new bookings for people to come over, and Germans were on the top of the list already.

FOSTER: And you've got a chance to get back of them, of course, there's a football match going on. Lots of people are focusing on this hour in fact.

PAVLOS: It's happening as we speak. It's passion. And that's truly national passion that you'll get any time. And so, you know, you get a little bit more fire in this one than maybe on other occasions, but at the end of the day it's a sporting event and whoever comes out we'll all be, you know, back next time out for another event.

And hopefully it'll be in my favor this time around.

FOSTER: But never have Greeks wanted to win so much, I'm sure.

PAVLOS: Yes. I think we need a great lift. It worked for us very well in 2004 before the Olympics. We'd love it again this time just to prove a point that we are good and we can stand on our own two feet.

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FOSTER: Well, not great news unfortunately for the Greeks. In the latest Greece versus Germany for you, the current score is -- is it 3-1? 4-1 -- 4-1. One goal just went in. So looking like Greece has lots of catching up to do. But there's still time.

Back after this short break.

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FOSTER: You're watching Connect the World live from London. Welcome back. I'm Max Foster.

Now tonight it's all about baring witness, events that change the world and the images that none of us will forget -- Nelson Mandela walking free from prison.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Into a new South Africa. Trying to get the people -- and a salute from Mr. Nelson Mandela. His wife step by step.

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FOSTER: Aung San Suu Kyi's election victory after years of house arrest.

Well, next week the world will bear witness to another history making moment. Britain's monarch is set to shake hands with former IRA commander Martin McGuinness. Mr. McGuinness is now the deputy first minister of Northern Ireland.

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MARTIN MCGUINNESS, NORTHERN IRELAND DEPUTY FIRST MINISTER: In the course of a number of interviews since last year, during the course of (inaudible) Dublin and Cork acknowledged what was a very powerful speech that she made in Dublin Castle in support of the peace process during which she freely acknowledged the suffering of all including Irish Republicans.

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FOSTER: Well, 15 months after that historic first visit to Ireland, the queen is doing an encore. She is the joint patron of Cooperation Island with the Irish president. And on Tuesday and Wednesday she'll be in Northern Ireland as part of her diamond jubilee celebrations. Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams is giving his full support to her visit and the much anticipated handshake, calling it a symbolic and significant step.

Author and journalist Eamonn Mallie has been covering Northern Ireland since the 70s. He joins me now live from Belfast. Thank you so much for joining us.

After such a long conflict, and I know that you say it's over already, but what does this symbolize in that long, long process and the conflict between those in Northern Ireland against British rule and the Brits?

EAMONN MALLIE, AUTHOR AND JOURNALIST: Well, in summary, you know, you get a look at the international (inaudible). One of the big moments in my time was Anwar Sadat meeting Menachem Begin. I remember this absolutely vividly back in the 70s. And now the queen shaking hands with Martin McGuinness.

Remember who Martin McGuinness is. Remember who he was. He was number two in the IRA in Derry in the northwest of Northern Ireland when the queen came here for her 60th jubilee there was a bomb called in at the university where she was actually visiting in and around that time. Mark McGuinness went to negotiations, went into negotiations in London in 1972 with a revolver in his pocket unknown to the other members of the delegation.

So this is the type of guy who has traveled this journey, who is the deputy first minister, deputy prime minister of Northern Ireland today. And now he's going to shake hands with the queen, the queen whose uncle Earl McFadden (ph) was blown away by an IRA bomb in County (inaudible). All of this.

So you can see just how historically important this is and what a landmark mark and day when this event takes place.

FOSTER: To get a better sense of what actually is the symbolism of this. No doubt it is a historic moment, but what the symbol is. Norman Tebbit today, a British MP who was caught up in the Brighton bombings, suggested this is Sinn Fein conceding to the queen as sovereign of Northern Ireland. But Gerry Adams very clearly calling her today the Queen of England.

So what is Gerry Adams saying in conceding that this event should happen now?

MALLIE: Well, in all there's one man's meat is another man's pie (ph) you know. I mean, they're all playing with words here. But the reality is that it's not talk, it's not war, that people are meeting in a civilized way, that people are exchanging views, that people are respecting each other's identity.

When the queen went to the Irish Republic last year, when she opened her address in Gaelic, in the Irish language, she spoke beautifully. She had learned to say "a horseland president I was then, and a (inaudible) and people of (inaudible) in Gaelic. She had rehearsed that beautifully. She was acknowledging the nation of Ireland. In other words, she was burying centuries of differences between the two people's. She lamented the fact that many things were done wrongly on the British side and on the Irish side.

Still, she opened up the gesture. She reached out the hand. And Republicans have learned from it. So I wouldn't put it any higher or any lower than that. She went to the garden of remembrance to honor the Irishmen who fought the British, to drive the British out of Ireland. So, you know, that was a huge gesture probably beyond call of duty.

So this is a reciprocation by Republicans. This new word is maturity, people moving on.

FOSTER: Briefly, it's a very bold move, isn't it, by Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness. Do they become stronger through this process or do they actually risk violence starting up again by upsetting some people on their side of the political debate?

MALLIE: Sinn Fein do nothing without taking the parts of the base. In the past 48 hours, they've been phoning, ringing, getting in touch, touching the base right across the island of Ireland. They know that they're doing the right thing, they know that the (inaudible) of their base right across the island. And arising from that, they're taking this bold step as you say.

Now, will there be resistance in some pockets? Yes. Minimalist. No support for it. The popular support will be with Martin McGuinness and the queen. People will love it. It will be seen as a very bold, a very genuinely healing handshake.

FOSTER: Eamonn Mallie, thank you very much indeed. And we'll be following those events, of course, as they unfold on Wednesday.

The latest on the Greece versus Germany match. The current score stands at 4-1 to Germany.

Back after this short break.

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FOSTER: A warm welcome to our viewers across Europe and around the world. I'm Max Foster, these are the latest world headlines from CNN.

More mass protests in Tahrir Square as a report comes out about Egypt's historic presidential runoff. A semi-official news agency says former prime minister Ahmed Shafik will be declared the winner on Sunday. This cites several unnamed government sources.

UN special envoy Kofi Annan is urging countries to use their pull to stop the bloodshed in Syria. Activists say at least 55 people have died in violence throughout the country today. You're looking at new video that is said to show more bombardments in the city of Homs.

Meanwhile, Turkey's government held an emergency meeting over its missing military plane. This F-4 fighter jet reportedly went down near the Syrian border earlier today.

Anders Breivik's lawyer says his client should be declared sane. Breivik has confessed to carrying out a massacre in Norway last July that killed 77 people, but his defense lawyer wants him acquitted, saying his client committed the massacre on the grounds of political necessity. Prosecutors say Breivik is insane and should be held in a psychiatric unit.

Britain's Queen Elizabeth is to meet former IRA commander before her scheduled visit to -- during her scheduled visit to Northern Ireland next week. The monarch is to shake hands with Martin McGuinness, currently Northern Ireland's deputy first minister. The head of his Sinn Fein party says it will be a symbolic and significant step in the developing Irish peace process.

Jurors in Philadelphia have reached a mixed verdict in the trial of Monsignor William Lynn. He is the highest-ranking cleric charged with helping to cover up allegations of sexual abuse. Lynn was convicted on one count of endangering the welfare of a child. He was found not guilty on two other related charges. Lynn faces up to seven years in prison.

Now it is a trial that's captivated the United States and crushed a perfect image held by many Americans for more than 100 years. Former Penn State Assistant Football Coach, Jerry Sandusky, is accused of abusing ten boys over a 15-year period.

The allegations came to light last year, along with the admission by a much-loved figure, Head Coach Joe Paterno, that he knew about the allegations but did not report them to the police.

The Penn State football team is followed across the USA, and the school has a strong reputation. Just yesterday, Jerry Sandusky's own adopted son came forward to allege that he, too, had been abused by the coach.

The jury is currently in its second day of deliberation. In a moment, we'll talk to an "In Session" correspondent, but first, a look at the controversial trial with Jason Carroll.

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JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The prosecution launched right in on day one, calling the first of eight Sandusky accusers to the stand. Alleged victim number one says he was assaulted in the basement of Sandusky's home, the 18-year-old brought to tears.

Quote: "After rubbing and cracking my back and the blowing of the stomach, he put his mouth on my privates."

Another alleged victim, number five, says Sandusky assaulted him in a Penn State shower. "I kept lurching forward, but I didn't have anywhere to go. I felt his arm move forward, and he touched my genitalia."

TOM KLINE, ATTORNEY FOR ALLEGED VICTIM NUMBER FIVE: Here he was with this relationship with these -- boy after boy after boy, which by any conventional evaluation of any normal adult would say this is just so terribly odd and wrong.

CARROLL: On the second day in court, the prosecution turned to another of its key witnesses, former grad assistant Mike McQueary, who says in 2001, he saw Sandusky sexually assault a young boy in a Penn State shower.

Quote: "Coach Sandusky's arms wrapped around the boy's midsection, just as close as I think you could be." The prosecution went on, showing letters Sandusky had written to young boys, including one reading, "Love never ends. It bears all things."

The defense countered, questioning why so many accusers hired civil attorneys, suggesting financial motives, then calling 18 character witnesses on Sandusky's behalf, many former members of Second Mile, a charity founded by Sandusky. Chad Rexroad told jurors, "I have never had a father in my life, and he was a father figure."

The most anticipated character witness, Sandusky's wife, Dottie, testified she never saw inappropriate contact with her husband and young boys. She told the court three of the accusers had actually visited the Sandusky home as adults.

One of the oddest moments came from defense attorney Amendola, comparing the trial to a soap opera.

JOE AMEDOLA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR JERRY SANDUSKY: Could be "All My Children," All Our Children?

CARROLL: That comment went viral, critics calling him insensitive. Amendola challenged that notion saying he has showed sensitivity throughout the trial by not revealing the accusers' identities.

As for those letters, a defense psychologist testified Sandusky has histrionic personality disorder, which causes people to act inappropriately when not the center of attention.

Then, the defense lays out what one source says is their strongest move, presenting jurors with a recording which they say shows investigators leading an accuser, the final witness testifying, "I felt like they kept asking me to say something that wasn't true."

Jason Carroll, CNN, Bellefonte, Pennsylvania.

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FOSTER: As we said earlier, Jerry Sandusky's son, while not being one of the accusers, has come forward and said he was abused. It happened as the case went to the jury. Joining me now from outside the courthouse is Jean Casarez.

Thanks for joining us, Jean. It's such an extraordinary case when you bring it together like that and look back at all of the evidence, which we've been following steadily over time. But how would you say this affected the American consciousness? How do Americans feel about this case?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION" CORRESPONDENT: You know, Max, it's a huge case on so many, many different levels. We want to tell everyone, we're right here at the courthouse, the jury is deliberating right now, 16 hours they have deliberated.

But there's the thing, Max. If you believe the prosecution's case, for 15 years at least, because that's the spectrum of time of these alleged victims, this abuse occurred. People knew about it, but nobody reported it. There was a reporting in 1998, but charges were not brought. It was just sort of dropped, disappeared, and you didn't talk about it.

And it wasn't until accuser number one's mother went to the school to the counselor, because he was in high school, she said, "There's something wrong with my son, I believe he's been abused at the hands of Jerry Sandusky." And that started the investigation, and here we are today in court.

But on a lot of levels, a university not talking about it, not doing anything about it, and a community just letting it happen.

FOSTER: A lot of people outside the US won't realize what sort of institution this is. The big surprise is that it could happen in this sort of environment, isn't it?

CASAREZ: There is a big surprise. And now the university is saying there's going to be an era of transparency. But a lot of people are very skeptical, saying that let's look at the facts: Penn State University brings in a lot of money, upwards of $70 million a year for their athletic problem.

Jerry Sandusky was a very important coach for the university, and when he -- mysteriously retired in 1999, which is one year after the very first investigation that went nowhere, he had founded the Second Mile, which was a charity for children, young children, initially young boys.

And so he devoted his time and effort for all these years and worked so much with young boys, and that's where the defense comes in. They say here's a man that was such a good man and helped so many people and he's vulnerable for an attack like this, and it is all unfounded, it's all untrue, it just doesn't make sense.

He wouldn't have enough time to do this with so many boys because he was busy in his own right, as a football coach and as the founder of a very important charity.

FOSTER: Obviously the court will decide on guilty or not guilty, but it's pretty clear, isn't it, from the evidence we've heard, that there were allegations around for a long time, and they just weren't followed up. So the system has already failed, even before we had the verdict.

CASAREZ: That's true. That's true. But now, the defense would say, wait a minute. Just because Jerry Sandusky took showers with young boys does not mean a crime was committed.

And the judge actually told that to the jury in the instructions saying that just because a man is in a shower with a boy or a man touches a boy or hugs a boy or caresses a boy, you've got to look at was that an act of affection or was that an act based upon the lust of Jerry Sandusky, what was his intent here? So, the jury also has to look at that in deciding whether crimes have been committed.

FOSTER: OK, Jean Casarez, thank you very much, indeed, for joining us. And we will, of course bring you the --

CASAREZ: Thank you, Max.

FOSTER: -- verdict when it comes through. Thank you very much, indeed.

Now, in the last five minutes, the game is over. Germany versus Greece, 5-2 -- 4-2, as you can see. So, Germany wins. But certainly a good showing from Greece. A lot of people said they wouldn't score anything, but they did. So the score 4-2 at the end of that Euro 2012 match.

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FOSTER: Well, this point, all the remaining matches at Euro 2012 will be emotionally charged, but it was especially true for Friday's quarterfinal between Greece and Germany. "World Sport's" Patrick Snell has the latest for us, and we've just had the result, Patrick.

PATRICK SNELL, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Hi there, Max. I can tell you within the last few seconds, Germany have convincingly won through against the Greeks, beating the Greeks by 4 goals to 2. There you've got confirmation of it.

They got underway -- Philipp Lahm getting a really beautiful goal to get the team going and really for me the pick of Real Madrid Sami Khedira getting another one in an unstoppable volley.

Greeks did get a couple, including a late penalty off, 4-2 the final score. Let's get over to Pedro Pinto, who's in Warsaw for us. Pedro, convincing win, expected by the Germans, but they're surely going to get a sterner test ahead as they advance in this tournament.

PEDRO PINTO, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: You're absolutely right, Patrick, but I don't think that many people expected 6 goals in this game. The match started as we would have expected it to, with Greece playing very deep, trying to defend as well as they could.

But once Lahm got the opener for the Germans, it was always going to be tough for the Greeks to get back into it. Credit to them, they did with that goal from Georgios Samaras. The second half, though, Germany just took it up another gear and they booked their place in the semifinals in Gdansk.

This was such an important game for not only the Greek players but the Greek people, taking into account the relationship between Germany and Greece from a political and economic level, but the players did play their hearts out.

When it comes down to it, Patrick, they just didn't have the skill or the talent individually to be able to stop this machine that is Germany. They have now won a record -- national record 15 straight competitive matches and their record in quarterfinals of the European championship is still perfect. It reads played 5, won 5, Patrick.

SNELL: Well, let's credit the Greeks, Pedro, they really did give it all they had. And for a while, there, they got leveled -- the scored a counterattack, the equalizer. They really did themselves proud, I felt.

PINTO: I completely agree with you. I think Greece already surprised a lot of people by making it this far in the tournament. Most didn't expect them to beat Russia in their final Group A game and make it this far.

The situation with the Greek national team is that they were also missing their captain. Not only is he an inspiration, but he is also a very talented player, Giorgos Karagounis, and they couldn't get him on the pitch, he was suspended, and that had a lot to do with it.

The German fans are now celebrating another Final Four appearance. They'll wait to see who they will next face. It'll be either Italy or England. The winner of that quarterfinal moving on to face the three-time European champions, Germany.

SNELL: All right. And just a quick one, a final one on Germany, it was a good workout for them in a sense. They got some goals there flying into the back of the net. But to what extent did they actually impress you with that performance, Pedro?

PINTO: What impressed me the most about Germany was the courage that the manager, Joachim Low, had to change his front three players. He dropped Mario Gomez, Lukas Podolski, Thomas Muller, and he put on Marco Reus, Andre Schurrle, and also the backup striker, normally, Miroslav Klose.

And you saw from the score sheet that both Klose and Reus scored, so that really admired me, the fact that they have the depth to play their backup players and still come up with a huge victory and an impressive performance overall.

You can see there the scores, and it was all Germany in the second half. They definitely deserved to go through. They were my favorites before a ball was kicked at the Euro, and they're still my favorites now.

SNELL: They were my favorites, too. I want to claim some glory. Thank you, Pedro, we're going to leave it there, Pedro Pinto in Warsaw.

Let's bring in Fred Pleitgen who's in Germany for us. Fred, thanks for joining us. As expected, I'm sure those German fans were expecting that. They must have seen the goals going in. Do they now believe they can go on and win this?

FRED PLEITGEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, they certainly do, Patrick. One of the things that the Germans always said before this game is that they believe this was somewhat of a trap game for them. They didn't have very much to win in this game.

Most people thought they were going to beat the Greeks pretty badly, and then if the Greeks would have won, a lot of people would have been very surprised, and a lot of people in Europe probably also would have been very happy.

But there is something about this German national side this year that makes people here feel very special. Like, you can see, thousands of people are actually still here celebrating this victory by the German national team.

And one of the things that Pedro was just talking about is something that a lot of Germans are talking about as well. It's the depth of this roster. For years, the Germans have been building their roster.

And they feel that unlike 2010, they don't only have 5, 6, 7, or 8 good players. They believe they have 22 players, that players can come off the bench and perform very well. The Germans truly believe that this is the side that could win the European championship, Patrick.

SNELL: What was the atmosphere like, because I was there in 06 for the World Cup and that famous fan mile in Berlin. With expectations so high, though, Fred, what was it like, the atmosphere, in terms of sort of the actual overall experience?

PLEITGEN: Well, let me tell you one thing. That fan mile that you were at today had 500,000 people on it. So, people still are turning out, people are very excited about this European championship, and especially, of course, the prospects of their team.

Now, in today's match, it was quite interesting, because the fans here, you could tell, they were very nervous about what was going on, especially in the first 39 minutes when no one was really capable of scoring and the Germans were running up against the goal, but the Greeks just stood steadfast there in front of their own goal.

Then, when Philipp Lahm scored, people were obviously very happy. But then, when the Greeks scored, again that nervousness came back here into this place that I'm at right now. It was not until the German's started scoring that second, third, and then fourth goal that people really began to relax, sort of celebrating the way that they are right now.

So, certainly one thing that the German fans here will admit is that the Greeks did give them a run for their money, if that's something that you can say in Europe these days, Patrick.

SNELL: Well, they did. A creditable performance, no doubt about that. Thanks Fred. And Germany will next play England or the Italians in the semifinal. Back to you, Max, in London.

FOSTER: Patrick, thank you very much, indeed. You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD. When we come back, the world's fastest race horse is about to make her European debut. You know Black Caviar is fast and strong with a powerful stride, but how does she get that name, so to speak?

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FOSTER: This weekend, Royal Ascot crowds will welcome a truly prestigious guest. Black Caviar has arrived from Australia to race tomorrow on the back of 21 straight wins. As Alysen Miller reports, anticipation is running very high.

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ALYSEN MILLER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: She may not be racing until tomorrow, but all the buzz here at Royal Ascot is about just one horse: Black Caviar.

The wonder from Down Under was paraded before media again yesterday in New Market, of course wearing her now-famous muscle compression suit. Her trainer, Peter Moody, says they will now go into lockdown mode ahead of the big race here on Saturday.

Back home in Australia, this horse is a huge celebrity. She's won 21 races in a row over there, but now she's come all the way to England to try for number 22. Earlier this week, I caught up with her jockey, Luke Nolen, and asked him what it was like to ride such a great champion.

LUKE NOLEN, BLACK CAVIAR'S JOCKEY: She's a lovely horse to ride. I don't have anything to do with. And really much. She does -- she's every jockey's dream to ride because she makes -- she makes it look very easy. My career will be defined as, probably, by Caviar's jockey. There's worse things to be remembered for, I'm sure.

MILLER: Three thousand Australians are expected to flock here tomorrow to get a glimpse of their hero. Many of them will be wearing her racing colors of salmon and black. The queen, of course, attends Royal Ascot every day. Will she be wearing salmon and black, too? I wonder what odds I could get on that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So tomorrow, pink or salmon, that's 5 to 1, and the outside of the lot, that's black, that's 16 to 1.

MILLER: From Royal Ascot, I'm Alysen Miller for CNN.

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FOSTER: You can bet on anything in this country. As Alysen said, many Australians will head to Ascot tomorrow to cheer on Black Caviar, and Tom Waterhouse will be one of them. He's a bookmaker and son of famed horse trainer, Gai Waterhouse. Earlier, we spoke to Tom about how his compatriots are geeing up with excitement.

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TOM WATERHOUSE, ONLINE BETTING AND SPORTS BETTING BOOKMAKER: Amazing thing you've got, thousands upon thousands of Aussies coming over here to watch Black Caviar. It all started with a horse called Choisir about eight years ago.

And when it won over here and beat English horses, there's been a stampede of Aussie horses come over, like Takeover Target, Starspangledbanner, Miss Andretti. They've all come over here and surprisingly enough, these Australian horses have proved that they're actually the best sprinters in the world.

And this horse, Black Caviar, is actually the best sprinter out of all of them. It's an absolutely superstar, and it should be winning tomorrow.

It's a massive thing. It's -- the fact that TV in Australia has got a special coverage going on at midnight and just the buzz both in newspaper coverage and also the TV networks are all getting around it, and the amount of journalists that are over here.

Australia's buzzing. This is a massive thing, and just -- this horse, every time that it races, they stop major football clubs to watch it. They stop major programming to see her race. And this will be massive. There'll be -- most of Australia will be staying up to watch this fantastic mare win tomorrow.

The thing about her is she's just got this dynamic space. She doesn't look as though she's tested anytime, and she just beats what a really good horse -- the horse Hay List that she's beaten, he's a -- himself, he's a champion.

He beat any other sprinters for the last ten years, and she just trounces him and makes him look second-rate, and he's not. She's just an absolute freak of a horse and amazing to see.

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FOSTER: Well, in spite of the name, Black Caviar is no dark horse. She's odds-on favorite, and for good reason, too. She's twice as fast as Usain Bolt. The first horse in Australian history to run 200 meters in less than 10 seconds.

Black Caviar is tech-savvy as well, with Facebook, Twitter, and her very own online shop selling Caviar-themed goodies, all emblazoned with her distinctive salmon and pink colors. Not to mention her very own brand of shampoo, just in case you were wondering how she keeps her mane so shiny. A true star heading to the UK.

And in tonight's Parting Shots, smaller animals. You've heard of "Chicken Run," but what about Squirrel Run? Zookeepers in Tokyo were working overtime today when 30 squirrels made a dash for freedom and their cage had been damaged by a typhoon, which shocked on Wednesday.

The nets were brought out and the hunt began, with zoo workers frantically trying to catch their prey. A fair fight all around, I'd say, as some attendants were left looking a little more than foolish, you could say. In the end, the keepers worn out, but their bushy-tailed antagonists live to fight another day.

I'm Max Foster, that was CONNECT THE WORLD. Thank you for watching. The world headlines are up next after a short break.

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