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BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: Two leadership decision shrouded in secrecy with global implications. Here in Rome, Pope Francis takes the reigns of the Catholic Church. Tonight, we hear your thoughts on the biggest challenges he'll have to tackle.
And there's a new man at the top in China, too. But will this bring a reset in foreign policy?
Plus, behind closed doors. Why one Italian football team is in action tonight without any fans? This is a special edition of Connect the World.
Humble, simple, a man of the people who also happens to be pope. We're getting a clearer picture today of Francis, the new spiritual leader of the Roman Catholic Church. This was his first mass as pope celebrating the Sistine Chapel with the cardinals who elected him.
Francis urged them to be courageous and help move the church forward.
Well, his first day on the job began with a prayer at the Basilica in Rome. Pope Francis was well known for his humble lifestyle as a cardinal in Argentina. We saw some of that today when he insisted on paying his own hotel bill for a stay before conclave. And last night, the pope turned down a special Vatican car to ride the bus instead with the cardinals.
Well, this election marks a sea change for the Catholic church. The first ever pope to come from Latin America.
I'm joined now by Raymond Arroyo, news director of the Eternal World Television Network. This is a truly historic occasion, isn't it? And this is a man who gets on with it. I mean, he's had a busy day.
RAYMOND ARROYO, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Oh, no it. He's used to doing things his own way. You know, I spoke today with some Swiss guards, members of the police force. They said he's been eluding us all day long. He does his own thing. He's paying his own bill. He went -- he grabbed his own bags and carried them down the stairs.
Then I run into a monsieur whom I've known for a number of years, he said, look, I've known this man for the last 15 years or so, but he's met a million people. He went into the Casa Santa Marta, which is where the pope is living while they renovate the apartments, kind of clean it up from Benedict's reign. Here comes the pope, alone, out of the elevator. No entourage. No secretary. No prefect. All alone. He goes. Hello there. And he knew the guy's name, embraced him. They talked. He said it's as if nothing change, but yet everything's changed.
This man is going to shake up the Vatican in a big way. And let me tell you, there are a lot of bureaucrats here in Rome who are very worried about what may happen in the coming days.
ANDERSON: Let's hear a little bit more from people who do know him as well. We've seen the pope. He's already breaking traditions. Dispensing with some of the formalities as Ray said that comes along with the office. One interesting example came from U.S. Cardinal Timothy Dolan who spoke to CNN a little earlier. Have a listen to this.
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CARDINAL TIMOTHY DOLAN, ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK: When he came out after getting his white on, you know, so he comes out from that little dressing room and we applaud again to see -- he's supposed to go up these steps under a platform and sit on the white throne. And then we're each supposed to come to him and kneel in front of him to give him our love and our loyalty. So as the attendance begin to take him by the arm to go up there, he just said, no, I'm going to stay down here and greet each of my brothers.
Now that's a powerful sign, literally on our level.
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ANDERSON: A humble man.
ARROYO: Indeed, indeed. This is the way he was in Argentina. He lived in the apartment. He would take the bus to work. He would spend time with the poor on the way to work. He's a man who feels deeply a part of particularly the poor, but all of his people. You saw that when he was at the villogio (ph) last night when we were together that let the people bless me and then I'll give my blessing to them. It's an interesting sign.
ANDERSON: He called himself Father Jorge in Argentina. I mean, what a sort of lowly name for a man who was of such a position.
ARROYO: Well, there's some people who have their noses a little out of joint, because they're saying, look, he's lower. He's diminishing the papacy. He didn't have the rosetto (ph) that red cape he wears. But I think he's doing that because he knows he needs to find a human face for the church and bond with people in a way that perhaps over the last few years the church has lost that connection. John Paul II had the same air. And it too rattled a lot of cages here in Rome.
ANDERSON: We're going to talk about where we think the church goes next shortly. Firstly, though, virtually nobody predicted the cardinal from Argentina would become pope, neither you nor I. I mean, you know a lot more about this than me, let me say, including the Catholic church in Argentina itself. In fact, it had already advertised his presence at an upcoming Easter mass in Buenos Aires.
Shasta Darlington is live there for us tonight. And what is the mood, what is it now just about 24 hours on?
SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Becky, we've had an interesting day. I mean, obviously it was pure excitement and surprise at first, but to really talk to some of the people who knew him best. What we did is we went and we got on one of those buses that you've been talking about, one of the buses that he supposedly took to these slums, outlying slums to the small parishes there. And, indeed, we walked on the bus and right away we met three people who knew him personally. One woman had taken communion, another man who said that he was a supporter of the San Lorenzo football team and he used to sit with him in the stands.
And then when we got to the church, it was a very poor neighborhood. Dirt streets. Just wooden benches inside the church. And we found these parishioners. One man who said that he -- that Cardinal Bergoglio had washed his feet twice and personally washed his feet. He started to cry. And he said of course we're proud, we're honored. But the hard part is now we know we're going to lose him forever.
So just a person who has really touched people. And people are coming to terms with it in their own way. I think for Argentina, it's been a huge boost. But for the individuals who knew him there are mixed feelings, Becky.
ANDERSON: I've been told, Shasta, very briefly that he has quite a contentious relationship with the president. Is that clear in Buenos Aires?
DARLINGTON: Becky, it's not only with the president. The argument that the president had been over the issues that you would expect: gay marriage, women in the church, abortion. The president here sort of left leaning, but he's also got historical problems that are sort of hanging over him here in Argentina, because he's associated with the dirty war, with the Argentine dictatorship. And people feel that he was either complicit in some of the activities: torture, murder, disappearances, or at least didn't stand up enough to people. And so he's got a few controversies to deal with here, Becky.
ANDERSON: There won't be any view yet as to when he'll be next back in Argentina, but one can only assume that when that is that mass will be huge, right?
DARLINGTON: Absolutely. They're going to -- there's obviously going to be a big mass tonight. People are saying that his first real trip abroad and to Latin America in general will be actually to Brazil for World Youth Day, but we are going to see a large mass tonight to obviously honor this Argentine who has now become such an important figure. And we're already seeing people show up for that, Becky.
ANDERSON: Shasta Darlington for you out of Buenos Aires this evening. Shasta, thank you for that.
Ray, he doesn't come without baggage, nor controversy.
ARROYO: No. There is that story that he was part of this junta. And he was supporting -- look, you're own John Allen who works for CNN as a contributor, he explored this. He reported on it. He called Amnesty International. Apparently they are even saying he had nothing to do with this.
Let me tell you, he was a reformer in the Jesuit order, this man was who is now Pope Francis. He made a lot of enemies in his own order by trying to clean it up from within. As a result, they tarnished his name. They exiled him to the north. And in addition, they put this story out. It may be a political story that was planted early on. But what it demonstrates is this man's determination. When he feels he's called to do something in the church, in this case reform his Jesuit order, he does it.
I think he'll have that same sense of mission here in the Vatican.
ANDERSON: And that is the obvious question, then, how does that translate to sorting this place out behind us here?
ARROYO: Well, if he's taken on the boys in the Jesuit order, this is going to be easy for him.
Look, he understands leadership. He understands what the people want. And by -- there's a two pronged approach that we've already seen. On the one hand, he's binding himself to the people so he will be a beloved figure. On the other hand, he knows how to lead. He knows how to lead an organization and to clean it up if there are problems.
I think you're going to see a very determined leader and a very different style of leadership than we saw from Pope Benedict.
ANDERSON: You're going to join me at the bottom of the hour. We're going to continue that discussion then. Thank you for the time being.
Let's see what newspapers around the world are saying. The front page headline of Britain's Daily Telegraph, "Pope Francies the Humble." The article says the new pope looks surprised to be elected.
In Canada, the National Post's headline is "A Pope From the End of the Earth." The paper describes what he wore saying his decision not to wear the accompanying red shoulder cape that his predecessors have always worn is an indication of his style of leadership.
And in the Wall Street Journal this the front page headline, "Pope Named as Vatican Looks West." It says his election is likely to shift the role of the papacy from theological teacher to pastor of the flock.
You're watching a Connect the World special live from Rome.
Still to come this hour, the Sistine sea gall. Why some say this onlooker tells us more about the new pope's character than you might think.
And after two years of carnage in Syria, a new call to arm the rebels. We're going to tell you who that is coming from.
Plus, Lazio may be the favorite in tonight's game with Stuttgart, but they will also be serving a punishment in their Europa League game. All that and much more when this show continues. Stay with us.
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ANDERSON: It is a beautiful night here in Italy. That is Vatican City and St. Peter's Basilica. A live shot for you here. This is Connect the World, a live special from Rome with me Becky Anderson. Welcome back.
We'll tell you some of the other top stories that we are watching for you as you would expect this hour. Tonight, a powerful new leader in China. Xi Jinping has been declared the country's new president. He's formally taken up the role marking the end of a once in a decade leadership transition that began last year.
Well, some advocates of political reform aren't happy with the early signs out of Beijing. David McKenzie is there and looks at the challenges facing China's new leader.
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DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The pomp of party politics. Delegates cast their ballots for China's next president, now officially one of the most powerful men in the world Xi Jinping.
(on camera): State media called it the embodiment of democracy, but Xi Jinping won by 2,952 votes to 1, so it's not so much whether he would win, but how he will rule.
(voice-over): As a man of the people, says state media. Visiting the people in Hebei Province.
"You need to take your medicine on time," he tells this man.
The pragmatic reformer, he's called, who travels by bus, approachable and charming.
But Xi inherits a country at the crossroads: increasing domestic tension and protest, a capital clogged with pollution, a growing middle class wanting more freedom with their wealth, anger of a government corruption.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The government corruption is disloyal to the country. The government isn't doing right by the people. And the people will stop identifying with the government.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Yes, of course it is important. The common people can't survive if this problem isn't solved. They can't survive.
WENRAN JIANG, ASIA PACIFIC FOUNDATION OF CANADA: Corruption is a very, very serious issue that's been widely recognized by the general public in China as a serious problem. It's been talked about, debated about, and the party has to register about it.
MCKENZIE: But he's also consolidating his hold on the military, leading a more assertive China on the regional stage, helping protect his domestic agenda says author Robert Kuhn.
ROBERT KUHN, AUTHOR: When any new leader comes into office in any country, they need to tack with a nationalistic viewpoint, they need to show an appreciation for their country's pride and patriotism and to defend their own sovereignty.
MCKENZIE: Where will Xi lead China in the next decade, no one knows. But as he takes part in the shadow of China's turbulent past, some worry that he may well put power and stability before meaningful reforms.
David McKenzie, CNN, Beijing.
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ANDERSON: Well, we are ready to support the rebels, we are ready to go that far. With those words, the President of France declared it's time to arm the Syrian opposition.
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FRANCOIS HOLLANDE, PRESIDENT OF FRANCE (through translator): We ask that Europe lift the arms embargo not to lead to a total war, but so that political dialogue can be the final solution. So we have to put pressure on the regime and show we are ready to support the opposition. We have to go that far.
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ANDERSON: Well, talking to then EU gathering in Brussels, Francois Hollande went on to say that France and the UK agree on the issue.
Well, Friday marks two years since unarmed demonstrators sparked an uprising against a Syrian president Bashar al-Assad. With the carnage mounting, an Amnesty International report says that most war crimes are still being committed by government forces, but now Amnesty points to abuses by the armed opposition.
Well, Britain's former ambassador to Syrian Andrew Green proposes -- opposes arming the rebels. He spoke to my colleague Max Foster earlier today in London.
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ANDREW GREEN, FRM. BRITISH AMBASSADOR TO SYRIA: I think it is a mistake to be providing weapons to the opposition of the kind they're asking for. First of all, it will intensify the war and we should be trying to do the opposite. And secondly, you can't be at all sure where these weapons are going to end up. There are some very dangerous people in the Syrian opposition. And we should not be supplying them with anti- aircraft weapons, for example.
MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: If a policy isn't working and France and Britain are offering an alternative, surely that's a good thing, isn't it?
GREEN: It's the wrong alternative. I think it's a mistake. I repeat, it's a mistake to put sophisticated weapons into a dangerous situation like this. We should be going in the other direction. We should not be pouring petrol on the flames with additional arms supplies, we should be trying to cut back arms supplies to both sides. Now that means talking to the Russians, it means talking to the Iranians as well. It means trying to wind this thing down, because it's clear that neither side can get a clear victory. And the best we can do for the time being is try to reduce the level of violence.
FOSTER: What do you think the solution, then, is? Is it dialogue?
GREEN: I think that has to be the objective. It's certainly not supplying yet more weapons. I think that one has to get each side and it's supporters to get him some form of dialogue at a distance sideways at first. But just trying to murder each other is -- can't possibly be the way forward. And we should not be encouraging it.
ANDERSON: The former UK ambassador to Syria.
Well, I mentioned that Friday marks two years since the unrest in Syria began. Even with no end in sight, there are fears that this war is creating problems that will last long after the guns go silent.
For viewers in Asia, Nick Paton Walsh brings us that story coming up on News Room.
Well, sources tell CNN that a suspect in last September's deadly attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi is now being held in Libya. This story just coming. Let's bring in Susan Candiotti live from CNN in New York for more.
Susan, what do we know at this point?
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Becky. Well, authorities have detained a man suspected of involvement with the September 11 attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya two sources are telling me and CNN terror analyst Paul Cruickshank. Both sources identify the suspect as Faraj al-Shibli.
One source briefed on the arrest says al-Shibli was detained in the past couple of days. He had recently returned from a trip to Pakistan, according to that source. It's unclear whether he will be charged in connection with the Benghazi attack which resulted in the deaths of four Americans including Ambassador Chris Stevens.
46 year old al-Shibli comes from a town about 50 miles from Benghazi. He was a member of a militant organization called the Libyan Islamist Fighting Group that tried to overthrow the Gadhafi regime in the mid-90s. In 1998, he was named with two other Libyans for his alleged role in the 1994 murder of a German counterintelligence official and his wife. And then in 2004, the Libyan government issued an Interpol red alert seeking his arrest. And al-Shibli has also been on a UN wanted list.
Now the FBI and the Department of Justice here in the U.S. are not commenting on our report -- Becky.
ANDERSON: All right, Susan, thank you for that. The very latest for you on that story out of New York this evening.
This is a special edition of Connect the World live from Rome. Up next, why this beautiful Italian town two hours north of here is set to get even more popular. That, after this.
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ANDERSON: Well, enjoying his moment in the spotlight, the Sistine sea gall even got his own Twitter account swiftly after landing on top of that Vatican chimney. Some say he even heralded the name of the new pope. Francis of Assisi, the Italian patron saint of animals is often portrayed with a bird.
Well, Cardinal Bergoglio is the first pope to take the name in honor of St. Francis. Dan Rivers went to the small Italian town of Assisi now getting ready for even more visitors.
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DAN RIVERS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Franciscan monks are famous for their simple life and robes, but some are unable to resist posing for the media with an extra splash of Argentinian color in honor of their new namesake.
This is Assisi, home to the 13th Century St. Francis, now forever linked to a pope from the other side of the world.
St. Francis was a radical figure, giving away his wealth, famous for talking to the birds and loving nature, quite a revolutionary man in his day.
The story of St. Francis is famously told in these exquisite fresco by Giotto. His humility and devotion to the poor are both qualities that Pope Francis has sought to emulate.
Previous popes have visited Assisi and hopes are high Pope Francis will also come here to pray. For the souvenir shops, the name is good news.
STEFANO LEONI, SHOPKEEPER: It's good also for our tourism, our work, for the business.
RIVERS: Giancarlo Rosati is a friend of the new pope from time spent together in Argentina. He's delighted with the name and the man.
GIANCARLO ROSATI, FRIEND OF POPE FRANCIS (through translator): He was an intelligence, well prepared, theologically decisive kind of guy, but he was also sensitive to social problems in Argentina.
RIVERS: In the church where St. Francis lies, a well worn patter of history is already being updated.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When the present pope has selected this name, Francis.
RIVERS: Reflecting a new association with a man who, like St. Francis, faces a struggle to support the Catholic church amid a serious crisis.
Dan Rivers, CNN, Assisi.
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LU STOUT: Well, the new pope may well be a fan of humility and a simple life, but he's going to have to get used to a life in the limelight. This is just one pack of reporters surrounding some of the cardinals earlier this week. The media machine is truly in full swing.
This is the studio in (inaudible) that we've been broadcasting from during the election of the pope. Looks good, doesn't it? Open up. That is how close the other broadcasters are to us. We have been bunched in at times doing shows with two or three guests.
This was set up about a month ago when the pope originally resigned. And the authorities here knew that there would be a media scrum. More than 4,000 journalists were eventually accredited.
This bit has sort of broken down already, but at one stage we had broadcasters here, here, and here. And you've got broadcasters all the way down to the bottom as well.
Do remember it was quite wet while we were here. These guys only just underneath the roof.
These are the satellite trucks for the global media. I mean, it has been the most phenomenal set up here. And it's quite extraordinary. You always see this when you get events on the road.
And then this will again become an area that tourists just wander around.
That's Castel St. Angelo just over here. Let's have a look.
I mean, this is Rome, isn't it? So there's always going to be some sort of monument, some 20, 30 yards away from you. This is where the big guys are. This is where the organization goes on. Steve, David, Caroline. Turn around darling. There you go.
These are the guys who actually make this happen. All I do is sit on that platform and do that. These are the guys who pitch up before an event and are still here after the event. So when we all get on those planes to go home, it takes a long time to break all of this down.
Big cheer for these guys.
Live from Rome, this is Connect the World. The world news headlines, as you would expect up next.
After that, does the new pope have what it takes to tackle the challenges of the church? Our CNN contributors have their say.
And should Apple be worried? Well, rival Samsung maybe about to take a battle of the smartphones to a new level.
Plus, Lazio and Stuttgart are playing here in Rome tonight, but with no fans in the stadium it's going to be, well, a fairly quite match. All that and much more after this.
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ANDERSON: A very warm welcome back to what has been a much better day weather-wise here in Rome. This is a special edition of CONNECT THE WORLD. The top stories this hour.
Pope Francis celebrated mass in the Sistine Chapel on his first day on the job. He addressed the cardinals who elected him with a brief sermon, urging them to be courageous and help move the Catholic Church forward.
Much of Syria in ruins in two years of fighting. France is pushing the case for arming the rebels. President Francois Hollande urged his fellow European leaders to lift an arms embargo on the Syrian opposition.
CNN has learned that a suspect is being held in September's deadly attack on the US consulate in Benghazi. Sources say he was detained in Libya this week after a recent trip to Pakistan. It's not known if he's been charged in the attack that killed four Americans, including the US ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens.
Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has finally struck a deal for a new government after a week of tough negotiations. The accord excludes ultra-religious parties which had long been part of the ruling coalition.
With his first mass, Pope Francis emphasized moving the church forward. It won't be easy. He has, of course, inherited the task of dealing with some major challenges. There are calls for reform of the Roman Curia, which is the bureaucratic body, of course, in the Vatican, under pressure after leaked documents alleged corruption at the top.
Some blame the Curia in part for failing to deal with the sex abuse scandal, which rocked countries all over the world, including France, Ireland, Canada and, indeed, the United States. And some say a lack of trust and growing secularization is why the church is facing shrinking congregations across Europe.
Well, we asked CNN's iReporters around the world what they think the pope's priority should be. Have a listen to this.
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JANNET WALSH, IREPORTER: One of the number one priorities will be the scandals. They need to get cleaned up, they need to be resolved, and we need to make sure it never happens again anywhere in the world, not just the United States.
MARTINA LUNARDELLI, IREPORTER: I really hope new Pope Francisco will lead back the church to the original message of Jesus of Christ, which is charity and love and respect for brothers and sisters and enemies.
RUMMEL PINERA, IREPORTER: Maybe the pope can also tackle the issue of giving greater opportunity to women within the Roman Catholic Church. I hope women can be appointed to key positions in Vatican City.
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ANDERSON: All right. So, Raymond Arroyo, news director for the Eternal World Television Network still with me this evening. John Allen, CNN's senior Vatican analyst and senior correspondent for "The National Catholic Reporter" are with me here. Boy does this chap face some challenges, John.
JOHN ALLEN, CNN SENIOR VATICAN ANALYST: Well, even before we get to that specific laundry list of challenges, let's think about what an impossible job the papacy really is. We expect the pope to be an intellectual titan, we expect him to be a political heavyweight, we expect him to be a Fortune 500 CEO, we expect him to be a rock star and a living saint.
Any one of those things on a good day is very difficult to pull off. You roll them all up together and then you add things like dealing with the child sexual abuse crisis, charges of financial corruption in the Vatican, the loss of faith in many parts of the developed West. Good luck is the first reaction that I've got.
But I would say that what we saw in that very brief five-minute debut last night from Pope Francis was enormously promising in the sense that -- think about what we had. First of all, the choice of the name Francis, this iconic name in Catholic tradition that says closeness to the core, closeness to the suffering, humility.
Then that business of before he bestowed a blessing on the crowd, asking the crowd to bless him, that sort of warm, fetching smile we saw. That doesn't solve any of the problems we just ticked off, but it certainly makes the church, I think, a bit more optimistic about which way things are trending.
ANDERSON: Ray?
RAYMOND ARROYO, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: As John was saying, it draws people to him, and it gives him, if you will, an army of people behind him as he takes on these terrible and very difficult challenges, particularly here in the Vatican. But he's faced this before. It's not the first time.
ANDERSON: You need a cabinet. We know that in politics, in business, you need a cabinet to get things done. Will he already know who he wants surrounding him, and will it be the same people that surrounded Benedict XVI?
ARROYO: It will most certainly not be the same people that surrounded Benedict XVI. The cardinals have made it known in private conversations before and probably after his election, they were very distressed by what's been happening here. They blame the secretary of state, Tarcisio Bertone, for so much of this. And there will be someone else forthcoming.
ALLEN: Amen. I think that the reality is that most of those 114 cardinals -- we're subtracting one, to allow for Pope Francis --
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ALLEN: -- his electorate, so to speak, there was a strong anti- establishment mood in that body. And what they saw over the last eight years was a magnificent teaching pope. Unfortunately, his classroom was often burning down because the people around him were setting it aflame.
There was a sense of the business management over the last years simply wasn't attended to, so I think the old regime is going to be swept out.
ANDERSON: This is the world's oldest international institution. Things generally work fairly slowly in that Vatican City and the Catholic Church around the world. Should we expect to see change and significant change anytime soon?
ALLEN: Well, look, Becky. The normal working motto of the Vatican is talk to me on Tuesday and I'll get back to you in 300 years.
(LAUGHTER)
ALLEN: "Glacial" is a polite way of putting it. However, I will say that in the interviews that I did with the cardinals in the run-up to this conclave and in the aftermath of the conclave -- because both Raymond and I have been working our sources the last couple of -- today, predictably.
What I hear is the sense that that kind of evolutionary timescale simply doesn't work anymore, that you cannot expect this institution to delay and delay and delay and put people's lives on hold indefinitely.
ARROYO: And this particular cardinal, Bergoglio, he is known for being very attentive and caring about his pastors, those in his charge.
A lot of these cardinals felt abused, frankly, by some of the men running various dicasteries and offices here. They felt they were being talked down to, they felt they were being overlorded. That is not what you will see, I think, under this pontificate, but it will take a little time.
ANDERSON: People watching this show tonight will say OK, we've talked and talked until we're nearly blue in the face ahead of this conclave about reform in the church.
Would we be sensible, to a certain extent at this stage, to be realistic and to box up female priests, priestly celibacy -- or not, as the case may be -- same-sex marriage, put that in a box for the time being and say that's probably not going to be an area or areas that he's going to deal with.
But the idea of taking a look at the world of poverty out there. If there was anything that he could do as pope on the issue of poverty, surely that would be a start.
ARROYO: Yes. Well, this is where his heart is. This is what he lives. He lives the poverty he speaks of. Today at the mass, he pointed out that that reform, to move forward, you have to base yourself on the cornerstone. He said that's Jesus Christ.
We have to preach him, and preach him crucified. This man knows a little bit about being crucified and shamed in public when he went to battle in his own order, in the Jesuits. He was exiled to the north, he knows what it is to be shunned.
I don't think that scares him or frightens him. But you're right to put those issues to the side. I don't think that's on the minds of any of these cardinals.
ANDERSON: John?
ALLEN: Yes.
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ALLEN: Look, the plain fact of the mater is, we knew, Becky, and you and I have talked about this, that every one of the cardinals who voted in this election was appointed either by John Paul II or Benedict XVI. On those big picture issues, gay marriage, women priests, abortion and so on, they are of like mind.
However, you are quite right to put your finger on poverty, and more broadly, social justice issues, things like war and peace, equity in international relations and so on.
And one of the interesting things about bishops in the developing world -- that is, Latin America, Africa, Asia -- is that by our Western standards, they seem a very counter-intuitive mix of very conservative positions on some issues, such as sexual morality, and extraordinarily liberal positions on a whole laundry list of other things. And I think the new pope is going to bring those instincts with him.
ANDERSON: We know that this is a man who in the past, at least, it was reported, that he didn't smile very much. But we've seen some humor from him, certainly as he was accepting -- the sort of graciously accepting from the cardinals this election.
And I think at dinner, Timothy Dolan reporting that there was great applause when he was very gracious, he said, "I don't really think you know what you've done here." What was the line? I can't remember.
ALLEN: The line was "May God forgive you."
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ARROYO: "May God forgive you for what you've done."
ALLEN: Yes. Yes.
ARROYO: But he -- and he has a -- it's sort of a dry sense of humor. He's not Shecky Green up there making jokes, and I think you saw that on the Loggia Balcony, there. He's not going to be sunshine and warmth, but I think you will innately intuit his personal holiness, his purity, and that bond, that concern for the poor.
ALLEN: And that humility, Becky. Think about how he spent his first day. When they were leaving the Casa Santa Marta, the papal limousine had pulled up, and it was going to be return to business as usual. OK, now he's above everyone else. He said, no, I'll just get on the bus with the fellows.
I think that humility that's implicit -- in a sense, when Benedict resigned, it was a grand step towards demystifying the papal office a bit, and I think Francis will carry that forward.
ANDERSON: Good stuff. It's been a pleasure having you both on. Actually, this is our last night in Rome, so a fitting end with two guys who have just been a mine, an encyclopedia of knowledge, both of this week --
ARROYO: Thank you.
ANDERSON: Thank you very much, indeed, for joining us. Now that that conclave is over and cardinals are no longer sworn to secrecy, they are back on Twitter telling the world what they think about having a new pope.
Cardinal Christoph Schonborn of Vienna tweeted, "Everything indicates the cardinals have chosen a very good shepherd."
Los Angeles cardinal Roger Mahony talks about a, quote, "new energy in the church" being shared amongst each other.
And Cardinal Ruben Salazar Gomez of Colombia says the church has been blessed with a new pope, adding "God has been great to us."
Up next on CONNECT THE WORLD, Samsung gears up to unveil one of the most anticipated phones of the year, the Galaxy S4, as it's known. Plus, play underway between Lazio and Stuttgart just around the corner here in Rome. Tonight, I'm going to bring you the thaw and more in your sports update. That up next.
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ANDERSON: It's been shrouded in secrecy, but in just over an hour, Samsung launches its new SmartPhone on Apple's home turf, let me tell you, the US. The South Korean tech giant plans to make a big presentation in the middle of Manhattan. Maggie Lake takes a look at what we can all expect.
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MAGGIE LAKE, CNN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Radio City Music Hall, the iconic home of the high-kicking Rockettes. And where on the same stage, Samsung hopes to bring down the house with the unveiling of the new Galaxy S4.
SHELLY PALMER, AUTHOR, "DIGITAL WISDOM": The idea that they're going to rent out Radio City and they're going to do it up, obviously they're expecting this to be the song and dance show of all time.
LAKE (on camera): Samsung is going to have to impress. Consumers have a huge selection of SmartPhones to choose from, and Apple's iPhone is still the bestseller in the US. If Samsung wants consumers to switch from one of these to one of these, it's going to need a wow factor.
LAKE (voice-over): Buzz is building that the new Galaxy S4 will have eye control innovation eye pause, a feature which pauses video when you look away, and eye scroll, which automatically moves text by tracking eye movements. Just watch how you spell them.
Samsung is also aggressively targeting the business customer who's been reluctant to move to Android because of security issues.
DAVID GOLDMAN: Android has all kinds of problems with malware, so what Samsung did was they came out with Knox. It keeps all of your applications in one part of the phone, and it keeps all of your work applications in a separate part.
LAKE: Samsung hopes its new system, Knox, will lure away corporate BlackBerry customers. It's been running a series of cheeky commercials that poke fun directly at BlackBerry culture.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actually, I'm closing deals with clients and watching the game. Modern business, my friend.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is business.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What, the jacket?
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LAKE: But analysts say it's really Apple that has the most to fear from the new Galaxy S4. Though Apple still has 38 percent of the US market, Samsung has rapidly closed the gap with 21 percent. With ads that target Apple --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Saved you a spot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've moved on.
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LAKE: Flash mob promotions in Times Square, and leaked photos on the web, Samsung is clearly on the offense. But that means expectations for the Galaxy 4 are high at its big Radio City debut.
Maggie Lake, CNN, New York.
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ANDERSON: Well, globally, Samsung actually surged ahead of other SmartPhone makers last year. It captured more than 30 percent of the SmartPhone market, followed by Apple at nearly 20 percent, and several others, there you can see, at around 5 percent.
Here we go. UEFA's Europa League wraps up its round of 16 looking to the last 8. Chelsea, Inter Milan, and Tottenham appear to be clubs in action. Here, though, in Rome, well, it's a very quiet affair between Lazio and Stuttgart, and that may or may not be because of the score. Mark McKay has got more. A very quiet night for Lazio and Stuttgart. Why, Mark?
MARK MCKAY, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Well, bad behavior, Becky. Lazio supporters being punished, so there are no supporters currently at the stadium as Lazio plays Stuttgart.
This was a previous match where racist behavior and the setting off of smoke bombs in their recent two-nil win over Borussian Moenchengladbach meant Lazio had to play -- there you see the empty stands. They had to play Stuttgart at home with no supporters in the stands.
It hasn't affected them. Becky, this match is still underway with Lazio ahead 2-1, so you put the aggregate count together, it looks as if Lazio will go through. And if that's the case, there is one more round of punishment as well. If Lazio progresses, as it appears they will, their fans will also be excluded from the home leg of their quarterfinal.
I know you're very interested in Tottenham. It was a great start -- wasn't it? -- at White Hart Lane for Spurs against the -- a very pale, I would say, Inter Milan squad, but somehow, Inter came alive tonight, Becky. It was three-nil on aggregate going in. Lazio -- make that Inter Milan came back and scored four. But Spurs go through with that one away goal. You're happy, aren't you?
ANDERSON: Yes, I'm really happy. But that was a real -- it was -- edge of the seat stuff, let's call it that. I wasn't actually watching the game, but I was watching Twitter and I was getting text messages, and I thought it was all over at one stage. They really came back with that goal, so good for them. But a much better performance by the Inter team, I think, as well.
Listen, aside from football, big weekend this weekend for Formula 1, of course, a nice winter break already over.
MCKAY: Yes.
ANDERSON: they're revving up Down Under. Can anybody -- think anybody can slow down Sebastian Vettel's historic pace?
MCKAY: Well, Becky, yes, that has been the case for the last three seasons and it hasn't happened. I don't have a crystal ball. Every team's going to go out and try to chase the Red Bull drive, but he's chasing history again this season, Becky. He's the youngest at 25 to have won three straight world championships. He's looking to become the youngest to have four under his belt.
He has already tied two great drives, Fangio and Schumacher, with three world titles. He is a driver and this is a team that, again, all the others will try to chase, but anything that this guy, Fernando Alonso, or this guy, any of them, can they do it?
We're going to have to wait and see, but it all gets going with testing later this Friday in Melbourne. We're getting ready to hot up a new F1 season. Becky, I know you're excited.
ANDERSON: Yes, I am. It seems that the only one -- the last season only finished about four minutes ago, but anyway --
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ANDERSON: Here it is again, and it's going to be a good one. Excellent. Good stuff, Mr. McKay in the house for you, back with "World Sport" in about a half hour's time. Mark, thank you very much, indeed, for that.
After this short break, crowds like this don't often come along.
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ANDERSON: I've got backstory for you tonight in covering an atmosphere like no other. That just ahead.
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ANDERSON: Well, it's been an incredible few days, one of the fastest conclaves in decades, ending with a decision that almost nobody saw coming. I was thrilled to be a part of the huge crowds witnessing history.
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ANDERSON: This is absolutely remarkable. At the end of the second day, the fifth ballot, we have white smoke. And you see there the chimney of the Sistine Chapel, and people have been streaming past us here. There are thousands in St. Peter's Square. You hear the cheers behind us.
The election of a new pope. We are now awaiting the ringing of the bells at St. Peter's Basilica. Here they go, you can hear those now.
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ANDERSON: We're still probably about 20 minutes away from seeing the new pope emerge on that balcony just behind me there. Who is it? Well, at this stage, we have no idea.
Run! Run! Run!
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ANDERSON: Oh, hello! Who are you? You're going to bang into me there, my love.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't worry.
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ANDERSON: There's a real sense of drama here. A lot of people are walking, but many people are running, as you can see. They all want to get as close as they can. They know they've got about 20 minutes before, as you suggest, we see the new pope emerge onto that balcony just behind me.
It's -- how do I describe it? A sense of excitement, a sense of drama. People have just very much excitement.
A roar has just gone up, and that is cause. Simon, focus on that balcony. The lights have just gone on. Let's see what happens.
The curtains are beginning to move. Who is it going to be? Train your camera, Simon, on that. We're some distance away, you can hear the crowds now.
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ANDERSON: The curtains are open, the lights are on, the hairs are standing up on the back of my arms.
Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the archbishop of Buenos Aires in Argentina, is on his way out.
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ANDERSON: Goodness. A remarkable event to witness, even more so for CNN's iReporter Father Joel Camaya, who's with me now. He's been with me all week. Father Joel is from the Philippines, came to Rome in 2010 to study.
That was a film of my moment as it all happened behind us. Just walk us through, describe your emotions. You were there, of course, in the square.
JOEL CAMAYA, CATHOLIC PRIEST: Yes. I was there about 200 meters from the balcony where they would announce Habemus Papam. And of course, we were all caught by surprise when they were announcing -- first of all, it was not really intelligible the way it was announced. Second, it was in Latin, so we were holding onto the name of the person in our heads.
And so, there was no reaction. Not even for the name that he has chosen, Francisco, and whoever took that name before. So, it was a surprise.
ANDERSON: It was a surprise, wasn't it?
CAMAYA: Yes.
ANDERSON: Were you holding out for Tagle of the Philippines?
CAMAYA: Yes, in a way, of course.
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CAMAYA: But I have also -- I had some names in mind.
ANDERSON: Yes.
CAMAYA: But this one came as a surprise.
ANDERSON: You study here. We've talked about that this week. You study here with people from all over the world.
CAMAYA: Right.
ANDERSON: Were you all in the square together last night?
CAMAYA: I think so. We were dispersed. Even the persons from our community that came.
ANDERSON: It was interesting to see in the film that we just saw there, the report, lots of lots of what looked like candles. And in the past, it would have been. But these days, it's people with their phones.
CAMAYA: Right.
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ANDERSON: All flashing at the same time. All those flashes, actually phones and iPads.
CAMAYA: Right.
ANDERSON: I mean, these -- things have moved on a lot in the -- for many people here, and I've got to admit, there were as many tourists as there were pilgrims in that square last night.
CAMAYA: Right.
ANDERSON: For somebody of faith, does it move you? Did that occasion move you last night?
CAMAYA: It was really moving. In fact, in many instances, I was on the verge of tears. And I came to conclude that, wow, I'm proud to be Catholic. I'm proud to be part of this community of this church.
ANDERSON: And this is a new era.
CAMAYA: Yes, a new --
ANDERSON: Yes?
CAMAYA: Yes.
ANDERSON: A new hope.
CAMAYA: And Europe surprises. The way it began, I was sure it would be something like that.
ANDERSON: Well, the sun came out as well today --
CAMAYA: Yes, right.
ANDERSON: -- which is also good. A new era for Rome. Well, at least we're through what they call Marzo e pazzo --
CAMAYA: Yes, right.
ANDERSON: -- which is the rubbish weather in March. It's been a joy having you this week. Thank you very much --
CAMAYA: Thank you so much.
ANDERSON: -- indeed. And we'll have you on in the future. Keep in touch.
CAMAYA: Yes, absolutely.
ANDERSON: The next few days will be busy for the new pope. Take a look at this. This is his schedule. On Saturday, Pope Francis will meet the media, holding an audience with more than 5,000 journalists who covered the conclave.
At noon on Sunday, a big crowd expected behind me here in St. Peter's Square as Francis will give his first Angelus as a pope, that of course, a prayer.
On Tuesday, the new pope will officially be inaugurated or installed, as it's known, as Bishop of Rome, with a mass in St. Peter's Square.
And let me remind you, and we were reporting on this earlier on in the week, that sounds like a lot for Vatican City and Rome to do, because there's going to be hundreds of thousands of people around, at least for that installation if not that mass.
They also, remember, have about 100,000 people running in both a marathon and a fun run this weekend, which starts at the Coliseum, and the roads will be shut off for that. And they've got the Italians playing the Irish at rugby in the Six Nations tournament.
So, we talked to the mayor earlier on, and he says he's got to be flexible when it comes to security and logistics. I think that's an understatement. But anyway, it's a big week for Rome and a good one.
It's been quite a week for the Catholic Church, hasn't it? For viewers around the world and for us, the media, covering this historic event. We've had rain, hail, thunder, lightning, then today, on the first day on the job for Pope Francis, the sun eventually came out. We dried off and Rome basks in splendor.
As we wrap our coverage from Rome, we want to leave you with some of the sights from what has been a truly momentous week. I'm Becky Anderson. In the words of Pope Francis as he greeted the crowds, "Good evening."
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