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Will North Korea Launch Missile?; Interview with Morgan Tsvangirai; Uhuru Kenyatta Sworn In As Kenya's President
Aired April 09, 2013 - 16:00 ET
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BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: With the clock ticking, the world stands ready to see whether Kim Jong-un's threats of war become reality.
ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.
ANDERSON: Also ahead tonight...
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MORGAN TSVANGIRAI, PRIME MINISTER OF ZIMBABWE: Are you able to (inaudible). Let's not be paranoid about an individual.
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ANDERSON: Zimbabwean Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai tells me why he's the man to give his country a better future.
And...
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BUBBA WATSON, GOLFER: I told him that I was going to go home and wrap Caleb (ph) up in it.
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ANDERSON: Why Bubba's blubbing at the Master's once again.
First up, as the sun rises against the Korean Peninsula, a sense of trepidation this hour. Pyongyang has for days (inaudible) April 10 as a day of action. Well, now a U.S. official says the White House believes it's likely that North Korea could test fire ballistic missiles at any time.
A top U.S. commander is talking defensive strategy after North Korea warned of, quote, "thermonuclear war." Well, the head of U.S. Pacific commander also told a Senate committee North Korea represents a clear and direct threat to U.S. and regional security.
What does this all mean? Let's get to our Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr for more at this stage.
Firstly, what does the warning of a thermonuclear war actually mean?
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Well, good evening, Becky. You know, that's rhetoric coming out of North Korea at this point. Concerning to the U.S. but they're not at all clear in their minds that North Korea really has the capability to carry that out. They have fissile material. They have tested nuclear devices. Can they really put it on a missile and send it somewhere? That seems problematic at the moment, but still quite worrisome.
Right now, however, tonight, this morning in Korea, all eyes, all the focus on the eastern coast of Korea where those two mobile missile launchers are in the view of the United States ready to go, that North Korea has essentially likely completed all its test preparations and could fire those ballistic missiles, test fire them at any moment -- Becky.
ANDERSON: It is April 10 in the region. So what you're telling me is stand by, right?
STARR: Well, essentially yes. At this point, that I think is the posture, if you will, of the U.S. military, the Obama administration, Japan, South Korea, all the allies in the region. Really, Becky, all eyes on that eastern coast of North Korea. They believe, according to our sources, that the missile launchers are about at a halfway point on that eastern coast, about 10 miles inland. And essentially the North Koreans are ready to go.
The big caveat, of course, is this is North Korea. We have nobody has got any assets on the ground, nobody has any direct knowledge, this all comes from satellites overhead taking those imagery pictures and analysts pouring over them and trying to put the pieces together and come up with what they think is their best assessment combined with what the North Koreans have been saying, of course.
ANDERSON: All right, let's try and join the dots on this, then, tonight. Barbara, thank you for that.
Japan taking action to defend its capital. Today, it deployed several PATRIOT missile batteries in the heart of Tokyo and around the city as well. Japan's military has been given the green light to shoot down any missile headed towards its territory. The Japanese foreign minister says his country will do what it takes to keep its people safe.
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FUMIO KISHIDA, JAPANESE FOREIGN MINISTER (through translator): Concerning North Korea and their series of acts such as launching of missiles, conducting nuclear tests and also uttering provocative words, this constitutes a serious provocation to not only our country and neighboring countries, but to the international community as a whole.
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ANDERSON: Well, if April 10 is as significant as Pyongyang has intimated, then we are pretty much there. What their intention is, is still unclear, but our next guest is confident that North Korea is not suicidal. Sue Mi Terry is a former CIA analyst who has spent years monitoring the region. And just before our show we spoke to her and asked her what her sources were telling her.
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SUE MI TERRY, FRM. WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL & CIA ANALYST: Well, we're expecting some sort of a missile test, most likely intermediate ranged missile test called Musudan, probably launched towards the water over Japan. No one really thinks that North Korea is going to attack us with a missile, but we think they will test a medium range missile.
ANDERSON: So Japan deploying missile defense systems around Tokyo, and countries in the region seemingly beefing up their security, is a sensible decision, right?
TERRY: Yes, absolutely. And it's to show that should North Koreans decide to attack us, which is very remote possibility, we can still shoot it down and intercept a missile if we feel that it's coming towards Guam or Japan, the mainland.
ANDERSON: Where does China stand in all of this?
TERRY: Well, it's very interesting China's position. China has always traditionally sided with North Korea, as you know. But Washington and the new South Korean administration has been -- we have been really talking to the Chinese president, new president Xi Jinping. And you've heard recently his veiled criticism of North Korea. So China is increasingly getting frustrated.
I don't think our sense is that China has quite switched it position toward North Korea, but it's -- it is quite frustrated and evolving. I think everyone is using that term -- China's position is evolving towards North Korea.
ANDERSON: I just want our viewers to get a sense where Americans stand on all of this. Americans growing increasingly concerned, it seems, about North Korea. Take a look at this recent CNN/ORC poll which found that 41 percent of those questioned thought the country posed an immediate threat to the United States. That compares to just 28 percent back in mid- March.
You're telling me that unless they were testing long range ballistic missiles, nobody should really be too worried at this point, right?
TERRY: Right. And I'm sure that poll is about, you know, was conducted among American public. I think the policy makers have been at this game for a long time. And no one is really truly concerned that North Korea is about to attack us with a nuclear weapon or with a missile. This is a lot of blustering, a lot of posturing. They have been doing this for a very long time.
Certainly the intensity of their provocation is greater and there's always room for miscalculation, but we're not worried about the attack. But still we're showing deterrents. And the Obama's administration is showing some sort of a backbone here.
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ANDERSON: Well, Sue Mi did go on to say she believes the real intention here is to lure Washington back into direct talks with Pyongyang.
Well, as I say, we are just hours away from what seems to have been a deadline that Pyongyang had set, what do you think. Should we, all of us, wherever we are tonight, wherever you are watching in the world, or are we just hearing more empty rhetoric and threats from North Korea. Do let us know what your thoughts are on our Facebook page. Facebook.com/CNNConnect. And you can tweet me as ever @BeckyCNN.
And I've got to say, as I look at the social media space, this story has absolutely dominated the narrative over the past couple of weeks, and rightly so. It's a big story. And let's just see where it goes.
Still to come tonight, a powerful earthquake strikes southern Iran, dozens are dead and hundreds are injured.
The queen will be at Margaret Thatcher's funeral next week, but the former prime minister's farewell is stirring up plenty of debate. And a new report on turbulence makes for uneasy reading. Why Transatlantic travelers might have to buckle up. That a little bit more.
All that and much more after this.
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ANDERSON: This is CNN and Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson. 11 minutes past 9:00 in London for you.
A powerful earthquake has hit southern Iran killing at least 32 people and injuring as many as 850 others, that is at least according to latest reports from Iranian state media. The epicenter was near the key nuclear plant in Bushehr Province. It wasn't damaged, according to reports, but state media said that the nearby city of Cake (ph) was ruined. The quake was so strong that aftershocks were felt across the Persian Gulf in Abu Dhabi and Dubai. Some buildings were evacuated.
The emergency came on the very day that Iran marked its nuclear -- national nuclear technology day. And it did so by opening up a new uranium processing site and mine. Several international powers have long been worried about Iran's atomic ambitions. Well, Tehran has denied its developing nuclear weapons, insisting the enrichment is for peaceful civilian purposes only.
Well, a child is among the 13 people who have been shot dead by a gunman Serbia just south of Belgrade. The suspected killer who is in his 60s was a neighbor of the victims. He remains in hospital after trying to kill himself.
Murder is rare in Serbia. According to the World Health Organization, it's one of the lowest homicide rates in the world.
Well, the White House has presented the first ever presidential award for combating human trafficking. The ceremony was part of a forum to tackle modern-day slavery. It is, of course, a fight and one that CNN has been fully signed up to as part of our Freedom Project. After illegal arms and drugs, the trade in human life is the biggest criminal industry in the world worth $32 billion, a shameful scourge on our world which we are determined to help stamp out.
Well, shining light on the brutal facts is one way that we can do that. A new report by the United Nations say an estimated 600,000 people, that is more than half a million people, in the Middle East are tricked and trapped into forced labor.
Leone Lakhani has more.
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LEONE LAKHANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Now the study focuses on four countries: Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, and the UAE. Now the Kuwait and the UAE are two of the Gulf Arab countries. And what's unique about this part of the world is the sheer size of the migrant population. Up to 70 percent of the total labor force in this region is thought to be made up of migrant workers. So the potential for exploitation is huge.
The author of the report, Beate Andress, told us about the sort of circumstances people faced here.
BEATE ANDREES, ILO REPORT AUTHOR: Our research team interviewed hundreds of workers. And the experiences independent of the country where very similar, actually. We saw that most of them were deceived right from the beginning. They were lured into jobs that either didn't exist or they were offered under conditions that were very different from what they were promised in the first place.
LAKHANI: In Lebanon, CNN's Arwa Damon explored the plight of migrant workers there 18 months ago. Many come for work despite bans on domestic employment by their own governments.
ARWA DAMON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Like Hannah (ph). She says she had no choice but to come to Lebanon three years ago to support her family in Ethiopia after her father died. Her first employer sexually harassed her.
"I couldn't be the way he wanted. I came only to work, not to do anything else," she tells us. "He would offer money, offer me things if I would accept."
Eventually his wife found out about her husband's advances. And Hannah (ph) says he beat them both.
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ANDERSON: Well, Hannah's (ph) story sadly is not uncommon. Our Freedom Project website gives victims a voice, highlights the global facts, and quite frankly reveals encouraging stories of hope, which is what you want to hear isn't it? It's all there, CNN.com/Freedom. Do help us to stamp out what is a disgusting trade, modern-day slavery, human trafficking, call it what you will.
Live from London, this is Connect the World, coming up Kenya swears in its new president, the first under a new constitution. Can Uhuru Kenyatta bridge some of the country's divisions? That coming up after this.
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ANDERSON: You're watching Connect the World live from London. I'm Becky Anderson. It's 18 minutes past 9:00.
Now Kenya has sworn in its new president.
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UHURU KENYATTA, PRESIENT OF KENYA: That I will diligently discharge my duties.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And perform my functions.
KENYATTA: And perform my functions...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ...in the office of the president of the Republic of Kenya.
KENYATTA: In the office of the president of the Republic of Kenya.
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ANDERSON: Uhuru Kenyatta took the oath in front of thousands of supporters in Nairobi, including the American civil rights activist Jesse Jackson. At 51, Mr. Kenyatta is Kenya's youngest ever president. And he wasted no time setting out his political agenda inside what was a packed stadium.
CNN's Nima Elbagir was there.
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NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Kenya's fourth president Uhuru Kenatta taking his first lap of the stadium and hear the voices. You can see the crowd is going wild.
It's been a historic day here in Nairobi, a day of fun. The first time a president has been sworn in under the new constitution, a constitution that mandates, legally, that he be sworn in, in this public fashion to really draw a line behind the dark days that characterized the 2007 inauguration of the previous incumbent Mwai Kibaki where many here felt that the surreptitious, after dark nature of his inauguration added to the violence that marred the 2007 contested poll.
But of course, after today there is always tomorrow. And with tomorrow will come business as usual.
High up on that list will have to be the indictment, the charges that Uhuru Kenyatta and his vice president William Ruto face for crimes against humanity under allegations that they played a part in the violence that threatened to tear apart Kenya in 2007.
President Kenyatta and Vice President Ruto both believe that many of their supporters here would stand behind them in saying that the can both do their jobs in running Kenya and, as they put it, clear their names.
There is, of course, a long road ahead, but there is no denying today how far Kenya has come.
Nima Elbagir, CNN, Nairobi.
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ANDERSON: A marriage of convenience, that is how Morgan Tsvangirai, Zimbabwe's prime minister, describes his country's power sharing agreement with Robert Mugabe. A general election is due in Zimbabwe this year. And in a moment, we'll be hearing more from Mr. Tsvangirai.
First, a look at how this political pairing came to be.
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ANDERSON: 1980, Zimbabwe gains its independence from Britain. And guerrilla leader Robert Mugabe wins the country's first parliamentary election. He's ruled the country ever since.
Among Mugabe's early and most ardent supporters was Morgan Tsvangirai, an ambitious union leader who has since become his fiercest rival, leading strikes and forming his own political party.
During his bid for the presidency in 2002, Tsvangirai was accused of treason and a suspected plot to assassinate Mugabe, but was later acquitted of the charges.
TSVANGIRAI: It was not Morgan Tsvangirai who was on trial, it was democracy and the freedoms of the people of Zimbabwe.
ANDERSON: Undeterred, Tsvangirai continued to challenge Mugabe. And in 2007 was arrested on his way to an anti-government rally and severely beaten in police custody.
TSVANGIRAI: This physical threat of physical harm to individuals, me included, has not had any effect at all in discouraging further (inaudible) of the opposition.
ANDERSON: Indeed, a year later he claimed victory in the presidential election with a majority vote over Mugabe. Though it ended in farce, with the electoral commission calling for a runoff poll.
TSVANGIRAI: We in the MDC resolve that we will no longer participate in this violent, illegitimate sham of an election process.
ANDERSON: In the end, a compromise, Mugabe remained president and Tsvangirai was declared prime minister in a power sharing agreement that, to say the least, has been uneasy.
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ANDERSON: Morgan Tsvangirai is in London. I asked him earlier to explain the reason for entering into that power sharing agreement with Robert Mugabe five years ago. This is what he said.
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TSVANGIRAI: It was a bleak situation. And I think what was important at that stage was to intervene and save the country. So, what were the objectives? Firstly, is to contain the hyper inflation and stabilize the economy. Secondly, to reform, to give reforms that will be necessary to carry out a free and fair election. And thirdly, to intervene in those critical social sectors like water sanitation, education and else.
So, on those three benchmarks, I can tell you that anyone will confirm that things are much better than they were in 2008.
ANDERSON: Many people I speak to in Zimbabwe, with respect, are frankly fed up with your leadership. They say that you have compromised the power sharing agreement. There are stories about your social life. There were stories about your finances. So some go so far as to say you have legitimized Robert Mugabe.
Does your MDC party, and do you still have any teeth?
TSVANGIRAI: Well, the -- let's look at it this way, the MDC was formed to achieve a certain benchmark. We have gone through a road map that we have designed, we have outlined for ourselves. What are we going to do to confront this crisis? Firstly, we said we're going to drag -- we're going to apply pressure to drag Mugabe to the negotiating table. We are going to negotiate a transition. We're going to have a constitution and we're going to go to free and fair election.
So far, the three steps have been achieved. We are on the rail on the objectives that we set for ourselves.
Now, when people criticize, they want us to go back to the confrontational state. We are part of the government. There's no way we can be confrontational when we have set a path for ourselves.
ANDERSON: Let me put this to you again, they don't want to see, it seems to me, your social life and your finances making headlines when for so many years people in Zimbabwe and on the outside world relied on you as this sort of official opposition figure who might be able to take Mugabe down.
At this stage do you think you're still in the position to do that? Or is it now time for a new generation of Zimbabwean leaders?
TSVANGIRAI: Well, I think that I cannot determine. I mean, the determination of who is going to be leader at any one point is to the people. We go to a congress and the people elect their leaders. I've just come out of a congress, people still have very good faith in my leadership.
But it's not about the personal, it's about the objective. I have (inaudible) Mugabe down. Let's not be paranoid about an individual, let's be clear about what the role road map and the objective of why we feel the MDC is all about, it's about change, it's about transformation.
Are we on course? Definitely on course. Are we going to deliver this? Definitely we're going to deliver...
ANDERSON; Does it include Mugabe or not, though?
TSVANGIRAI: No. President Mugabe will be contested, just as I will be contested. And it will go to the people. and the people will choose.
ANDERSON; How would you describe life in Zimbabwe today?
TSVANGIRAI: I think there's comparatively, comparatively better than it was in 2008. People have food. People can actually have real money. People can have stability and normalcy, that was uncharacteristic in 2008.
ANDERSON: It's a country worth fighting for.
TSVANGIRA: It's everything worth fighting for.
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ANDERSON: Morgan Tsvangirai speaking to me earlier.
You're watching Connect the World. The latest world news headlines as you would expect at the bottom of the hour here on CNN.
Plus, it's been described as a complicated relationship as the queen prepares to attend the funeral of the former prime minister Margaret Thatcher. We're going to take a look at how the pair got on.
And fasten your seat belts and do hold on to your hats, our resident aviation expert Mr. Richard Quest will explain why turbulence is -- well, it's on the rise.
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ANDERSON: It's just before half past 9:00 in London. Welcome back. I'm Becky Anderson. This is Connect the world. You're watching CNN. As you'd expect the top stories at the bottom of the hour.
CNN has learned the U.S. government believes North Korea could test fire mobile ballistic missiles at any time, that is based on intelligence showing Pyongyang has likely finished launch preparations. Now today, North Korea advised foreigners, including tourists, to consider leaving South Korea, warning of the possibility of war.
A powerful earthquake has hit southern Iran, at least -- killing at least 32 people and injuring 850 others, according to state media. The epicenter was about 100 kilometers from a nuclear plant in Bushehr province. It wasn't, though, damaged.
The funeral for the former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher will be held next Wednesday with full military honors in St. Paul's Cathedral in London. Queen Elizabeth is expected to attend, but other high-profile royals will not. Prime Minister David Cameron and Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg will, though, be there.
Kenya has sworn in its new president, Uhuru Kenyatta. He took the oath inside a packed stadium in Nairobi. At 51, he is the country's youngest ever president.
Dignitaries from around the world will fly into London next week for Margaret Thatcher's funeral. It will be one step down from a state funeral. As Max Foster details, now, the route and the procession, though, will be, well, fairly familiar.
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MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: State funerals are traditionally reserved for monarchs. Now, Princess Diana had what looked like a state funeral, but it was known as a "ceremonial funeral." So, you did get a procession and there was military involvement, but there was no fly-pass, for example, and she didn't lie in state.
And it's that kind of funeral that Margaret Thatcher will receive. She was involved in the planning, and she didn't see the expense of a full state occasion as necessary, although this one won't be cheap.
So, what will happen? Well, her body will be kept here in Westminster overnight. Then, on Wednesday morning, her coffin will be driven up the road, around Trafalgar Square and into the Strand.
At this chapel, the coffin will be transferred onto a gun carriage and walked along there along here along Fleet Street past the Royal Courts of Justice. And this will be the chance for the public to pay their respects. They're encouraged to line the routes from here as the carriage continues along Fleet Street into the financial district and up to the steps of St. Paul's Cathedral.
A military guard of honor will greet the coffin as it arrives here for an invitation-only service. Friends, family, political leaders past and present will be here, as will the queen, adding to the sense of it being a state occasion.
But how appropriate is all of this fuss for a former politician? Well, it's a debate that really is polarizing opinion in this country, as is shown in two of the main newspapers here. The "Daily Mail" actually arguing we should be going the full hog and making it a state funeral, like Winston Churchill's.
But the "Daily Mirror" very much taking the opposite view and questioning whether even a ceremonial funeral is appropriate.
Max Foster, CNN, London.
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ANDERSON: Joining me now in the studio is author and historian Kate Williams. The queen attending doesn't normally -- or isn't normally a big deal, is it? But the -- for Churchill, who had a state funeral, she did. She doesn't normally appear at other politicians' funerals, though.
KATE WILLIAMS, HISTORIAN/AUTHOR: No, she doesn't normally appear. We've seen many prime ministers buried during her reign. We've seen Wilson, we've seen Harold Macmillan, we've seen James Callaghan, and the only one she has attended has been that of Winston Churchill, the state funeral in 1965.
And there was some talk that she shouldn't have attended that because, of course, the queen is supposed to be politically neutral. So, the gesture of attendance to Baroness Thatcher's funeral is very significant.
ANDERSON: Yes. I want to talk about Churchill in a moment. I just want to talk about the relationship as you understand it between the queen and Thatcher. Was it a good relationship?
WILLIAMS: Well, there's been lots of rumors that it was a rather prickly relationship. They're very close in age, only six months between them, and there's a lot of similarities between them.
Both of them had to kind of beat down this very sexist male world in which they found themselves in the 50s, and both of them had to forge their way through and try and find a way of creating an image that was both motherly and also political and also powerful. But Mrs. Thatcher always felt that the queen was a little bit to the left.
ANDERSON: Oh! Really?
WILLIAMS: She apparently said the queen, the queen is the sort of lady to vote SDP --
ANDERSON: Oh!
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WILLIAMS: -- which is obviously --
ANDERSON: A Social Democrat!
WILLIAMS: -- beyond the pale. Beyond the pale.
ANDERSON: Beyond the pale.
WILLIAMS: The Social Democrats, yes. So, she thought the queen --
ANDERSON: I had no idea.
WILLIAMS: -- was a little bit too left-wing.
ANDERSON: That's brilliant. Listen, there's a real national debate on this funeral. There was -- Thatcher herself was very, very divisive, as we know, and some don't think there should even have been anything like the sort of ceremonial event that we are going to see.
As I say, it's not a state funeral. It is, though, a ceremonial one. Will there be any concern by the royal family that they are getting involved in something which is -- the funeral of somebody that has so polarized this country?
WILLIAMS: Margaret Thatcher is a very divisive figure. I think essentially we're going to have to go right back to Henry VIII to find someone who really presided over such a time of massive change.
Henry VIII was religious. Margaret Thatcher was an economic and social change, the massive changes that this country underwent from a manufacturing economy to that of a service and financial economy.
And I think what the big difference we'll see in this ceremonial funeral to, say, that of Princess Diana in 97 or the Queen Mother in 2002 is we're going to see much more demonstration. She's a much more divisive figure, and I certainly think that we aren't seeing the full complement of royals here. We're just seeing the queen and Prince Phillip.
ANDERSON: Yes.
WILLIAMS: We're not seeing Prince Charles, obviously, the future heir to the throne.
ANDERSON: That's interesting. What do we know about what Thatcher wanted? I know she famously said she didn't want a state funeral, nor did she want a fly pass. She wasn't really interested in any sort of big occasion. Is this a waste of money?
WILLIAMS: Well, Mrs. Thatcher has said she didn't want a fly pass, she didn't want a state funeral, she didn't want to lie in state. She thought that would be too divisive. And a state funeral needs an act in parliament, and she obviously was concerned that might not go through.
So, yes, but the thing is, in Britain, we constantly ignore people's wishes. Charles Dickens didn't want to be buried in Westminster Abbey, and still he was. Because people's funerals are often used for political capital as they are now.
And certainly, I think people -- there's going to be such a gathering of heads of state. It's going to be a who's who of political figures of the 1980s and 1990s.
ANDERSON: Before we talk more about Margaret Thatcher, just very briefly, the relationship between Churchill and the queen, just describe it to me.
WILLIAMS: Initially, Churchill wasn't too keen on the idea of a queen. He said she's a child, I miss George VI --
ANDERSON: Sure.
WILLIAMS: -- and he wept over George VI, "she's just a child and she doesn't know what she's doing," even though she was a married mother of two in her mid-20s. He thought she was an infant.
But he got used to her, and he became terribly fond of her, and he said no movie star could have done the role better. So, they became very fond of each other. But initially, he was rather crusty and very much of an elder statesman to her.
But she certainly won him over, and I think that was the great tribute that she gave him in 1965. I mean, Churchill was a one-off. We have seen other state funerals of prime ministers, such as Gladstone in the -- Victorians, Palmerston. But I think we're very unlikely ever to see a prime minister receive a state funeral ever again after Winston Churchill.
ANDERSON: Super stuff, as ever.
WILLIAMS: Thank you.
ANDERSON: Thank you. Well, Margaret Thatcher will not be mourned in some regions in the UK, especially in Britain's mining communities. They bore the brunt of the brutal disputes of the early 1980s that many say ripped the heart out of their communities. Fred Pleitgen traveled to the northern city of Durham where the mood is far from somber.
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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): David Hopper is in a good mood these days. The head of a the Durham Miners Association just turned 70, and he's planning a party. But not for his birthday. He's celebrating Margaret Thatcher's passing.
DAVID HOPPER, DURHAM MINERS ASSOCIATION: Really, whole communities that have been killed off, the miners have suffered very, very much and their families, and we are pleased, obviously, that Mrs. Thatcher is amongst us no more.
PLEITGEN: Margaret Thatcher was widely praised for modernizing Britain's economy, but old industries, the coal mines among them, withered amid a wave of privatization. In the early 1980s, Thatcher took on the then-powerful trade unions and decided to close unprofitable state-run mines.
The National Union of Mine Workers embarked on a strike that lasted 12 months. The standoff was often violent and divided a nation.
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PLEITGEN: But in the end, the coal workers had to relent. Almost all of Britain's mines closed. Tens of thousands of jobs were lost. And people in towns in Easington never forgave the former prime minister.
PLEITGEN (on camera): What really surprises us is the sheer hatred for Margaret Thatcher in the northeast of England. But what we need to understand is that in towns like Easington, when the coal mine closed down, everything else fell apart. Shops closed down, people moved away, unemployment skyrocketed, and communities like this one still haven't recovered.
PLEITGEN (voice-over): The working men's club in Easington Colliery ran a soup kitchen during the strike in 1984. Chairman Stephen Foster was a young miner at the time, and witnessed the industry's demise.
STEPHEN FOSTER, EASINGTON COLLIERY CLUB AND INSTITUTE: This club, for example, has been open a hundred years, so that's how long this community has been here and -- people lost their whole livelihoods, whole families, whole generations. And they were absolutely devastated by the loss of their jobs.
PLEITGEN: David Hopper goes a step further, saying Thatcher's policy did more to damage this region than Nazi Germany did in World War II.
HOPPER: We were bombed in World War II, there was extensive bombing, but we survived that and had full employment after that. When Thatcher finished, there wasn't hardly any employment.
PLEITGEN: Margaret Thatcher's funeral is scheduled for next week. On the day she's laid to rest, the miners who used to work at Easington Colliery are planning a party.
Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Easington Colliery, England.
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ANDERSON: Well, as divisive in death as she was in life. We want to hear your thoughts. Join the debate, have your say. You can tweet me @BeckyCNN, your thoughts please, @BeckyCNN. I promise to keep an eye on those tweets. Can't get back to all of you, but we often do use them on the show, and I promise you, I read all of them.
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ANDERSON: Right, time now for our series on Leading Women. Tonight, Facebook's COO, Sheryl Sandberg, is on a mission to inspire women to take charge of their careers. But where does her own drive come from? Soledad O'Brien, my colleague, sat down with Sandberg to get more on her views and her upbringing.
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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On a visit to the New York office of Facebook, chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg makes the rounds, catching up with staff.
SHERYL SANDBERG, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER, FACEBOOK: Hi! Hi, guys, how are you?
O'BRIEN: The 43-year-old Sandberg is the picture of a high-powered executive with a soft touch. In her book, "Lean In," Sandberg offers prescriptions on how women can become leaders in the workplace.
O'BRIEN (on camera): You give tips on how to have an engaging personality to realistically be successful. And I don't know that people give men tips on an engaging personality.
SANDBERG: Yes. The cards are stacked against women. The social science data on the success and likability is very deep, and the finding is very robust that women pay this penalty for success, they pay a penalty for power, they pay a penalty for things that are considered aggressive in a woman.
O'BRIEN (voice-over): And she's not delivering that message only in her book.
SANDBERG: We say things like, "She's too aggressive. She's a little assertive." No one ever says that about a man. And women don't get jobs because of that and they don't get elected because of that.
O'BRIEN: Her goal is to help women combat the stereotypes she says are holding them back. Belinda Luscombe is an editor at large at "Time" Magazine and wrote a cover article about Sandberg. She cites Sandberg's upbringing as one reason for her passion.
BELINDA LUSCOMBE, EDITOR AT LARGE, "TIME" MAGAZINE: Adele and Joel Sandberg were kind of very activist parents. They really fought for freedom for Soviet Jews, and there was just no way, having been brought up in that home, that she could be the kind of person who just leaned back and -- that was not going to be involved in some kind of public service.
O'BRIEN: And with her book, "Lean In," her foundation LeanIn.org, and the Lean In Circles she encourages, where women can turn to each other for discussion and support, Sandberg seems to be entering another phase of her life: that of feminist.
SANDBERG: I wrote in the book that I never used the word "feminism" to describe myself until a number of years ago. And I now proudly call myself a feminist.
O'BRIEN: It's worth noting that for all her success and messages to women, Sandberg admits she still has some work to do on herself.
O'BRIEN (on camera): What would people be most surprised to learn about you?
SANDBERG: I still face a lot of those insecurities women face. And I think the surprising thing people find is I'm still experiencing all of that. I'm still uncomfortable just a little bit.
O'BRIEN: Then what's the hope for everybody else?
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O'BRIEN: You've written the book on it.
SANDBERG: Well --
O'BRIEN: And you're the COO of Facebook.
SANDBERG: I never thought I could write a book, but I did. And I didn't know if I could do the Facebook job, but I'm doing it, and I'm doing it to the very best of my ability. And so I gain confidence. I gain confidence with every assignment I reach for, with every new thing I take on, and other women can, too.
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ANDERSON: And find out more about all of our Leading Women on our website at cnn.com/leadingwomen. Next week, we hear from superstar Beyonce to find out what exactly inspired her to dream big.
Well, coming up after the break, the Masters is fast approaching. Some players might be feeling the pressure. A former champion gets all emotional, up next.
And if you're a trans-Atlantic traveler, brace yourself for what is a fairly rough ride. The new research linking turbulence with climate change is up next.
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ANDERSON: All right. Two teams have just booked their places in the semifinals of the Champions League. Let's bring in Alex Thomas to tell us all about it. I have been seen doing this show. I know nothing about the results, so come. Pray tell.
ALEX THOMAS, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: When I tell you that Borussia Dortmund and Real Madrid are the first teams through to the semifinals --
ANDERSON: Oh.
THOMAS: -- you'll say, well, we knew that all along. But it's the manner in which they did it that made it such a thrilling quarterfinals second leg night across Europe.
We had Borussia Dortmund at home in their wonderful stadium with huge fan support having drawn nil-nil in Malaga in the first leg. This is tiny Malaga making their Champions League debut, and yet at one stage, they were leading 2-1, and with the away goals rule, it left Borussia Dortmund faced with the prospect of scoring twice.
And they did it, both goals coming in added time, ala Manchester United back in 1999 in the final --
ANDERSON: Fantastic!
THOMAS: Astonishing scenes there, Dortmund through. And the other quarterfinal seemed even more of a foregone conclusion, Real Madrid with a whopping league from the first leg against Galatasaray.
But in the heat of Turkey, the famous welcome to hell that their supporters are so used to waving signs at visiting teams, somehow it got back on the score sheet and were just two goals away from pulling off an astonishing upset against Jose Mourinho's team.
But Ronaldo scored again in added time just to calm the nerves, and it's Real Madrid that go through to the semis as well.
ANDERSON: What a great night of football. I said to you last week, I think, that I watched little Malaga, because they had to qualify for Champions League this year, and I remember hearing they had problems with finances, there's a little 16-year-old I think I told you about out of the Ivory Coast who I had been impressed by.
But to even see them at this stage of the competition. When people talk about Champions League, it's all about let's watch -- from sort of 16 back -- let's watch the biggest and the best. But there are still some of those smaller teams coming -- I hate to call Galatasaray a small team, but you know, these are great games of football.
THOMAS: Yes. But their coach would've been only the second after Brian Clough to have taken a team on its Champions League debut as far as the semifinals, that's how out of their league there was.
But of course, two great games as well on Wednesday night, including Paris Saint-Germain, away to Barcelona, the tie is level at two-all. Zlatan Ibrahimovic's performance will be crucial at his former club. But before that test, he had to face our own Pedro Pinto's quickfire quiz.
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PEDRO PINTO, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Messi or Ronaldo?
ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIC, STRIKER, PARIS SAINT-GERMAIN: Messi.
PINTO: That much better than Ronaldo?
IBRAHIMOVIC: For me, Messi is natural. For me, Ronaldo is a trained product.
PINTO: On a scale of zero to ten, how good are you as a footballer.
IBRAHIMOVIC: Ten.
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PINTO: Do you think you're underrated?
IBRAHIMOVIC: No. They know I'm good.
PINTO: What's your biggest weakness?
IBRAHIMOVIC: Then I have to think long. In football, or outside?
PINTO: Whatever.
IBRAHIMOVIC: Heading the ball.
PINTO: OK. You wanted to be better at that?
IBRAHIMOVIC: Yes.
PINTO: Toughest defender you've faced?
IBRAHIMOVIC: Maldini.
PINTO: Best coach you've ever had?
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PINTO: That's a tough one, isn't it?
IBRAHIMOVIC: I had many great coaches. I would put Capello and Mourinho first position.
PINTO: You've never won the Champions League. How much do you want to win it?
IBRAHIMOVIC: A lot. But it doesn't mean anything.
PINTO: Come on.
IBRAHIMOVIC: Because my career has been fantastic anyway.
PINTO: So, if you retire without winning the Champions League, that's not a regret?
IBRAHIMOVIC: No.
PINTO: Favorite goal you've ever scored? The one against England was incredible. The one for Ajax, where you dribble about 73 different players.
IBRAHIMOVIC: Was amazing.
PINTO: That's not a -- yes. That's not an accurate number.
IBRAHIMOVIC: The one against Italy back here was --
(LAUGHTER)
IBRAHIMOVIC: -- was amazing.
PINTO: Paris, Barcelona, or Milan to live in?
IBRAHIMOVIC: Milan.
PINTO: Long hair or short hair for you?
IBRAHIMOVIC: Long hair.
PINTO: You're going to keep it?
IBRAHIMOVIC: Yes. Because my strength is in my hair.
PINTO: Like Samson.
IBRAHIMOVIC: Yes.
PINTO: If you hadn't been a footballer, you would have been a -- ?
IBRAHIMOVIC: Lawyer.
PINTO: Come on. Did you study for that?
IBRAHIMOVIC: That's what my father wanted, but I really don't know.
PINTO: Hip hop, rock?
IBRAHIMOVIC: Reggae.
PINTO: You a big reggae fan?
IBRAHIMOVIC: Yes.
PINTO: You listen to it before a game?
IBRAHIMOVIC: No. Because then I become too slow.
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PINTO: You need something faster than that.
IBRAHIMOVIC: That's after the game, you know? Enjoy.
PINTO: Blondes or brunettes?
IBRAHIMOVIC: Blonde. My wife is blonde.
PINTO: Right.
IBRAHIMOVIC: I have to say it or else.
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THOMAS: And there won't be quite so many laughs when PSG take on Barcelona tomorrow night.
ANDERSON: That is going to be a great, great game. Good on you, sir. Thank you very much, indeed, for that.
Just two days to go, of course, until golf's fist Major tournament of this season. If football wasn't enough Thursday, or was it Wednesday tomorrow? The Masters starts Thursday in Augusta, Georgia, and our Patrick Snell, as ever, at Augusta National Golf Club with a preview for you. Patrick?
PATRICK SNELL, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Becky, thanks. Yes, welcome to Augusta, gorgeous late afternoon here, tens of thousands still out on the course. And we've had a whole barrage of stars in the media center just in front of me here through this day.
I want to talk about Rory McIlroy, Northern Island, two-time Major winner, soon to be 24 years of age. One of the questions that really stood out for me at the presser, Becky, was look, how do you view your rivalry with Tiger Woods?
Well, rivalry as far as Rory's concerned, is probably not a word that he himself would use in this matter.
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RORY MCILROY, GOLFER: When you speak of rivals, you tend to put rivals who have had similar success. He has 77 PGA tournaments, I've got 6.
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MCILROY: He's got 14 years, I've got 2. So, if I saw myself as a rival to Tiger, I wouldn't really be doing him much justice.
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SNELL: He's not wrong there. Well, after that, later in the day, we had the defending champion himself, Bubba Watson, pure entertainment as ever, emotional Bubba Watson.
Now, he promised us he wasn't going to cry, but once again, we got blubbering Bubba as he recalled the emotion of his triumph 12 months ago. In particular, that one moment when he described what he did with the green jacket, and it certainly involved his baby son, Caleb, as well in a big way.
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BUBBA WATSON, DEFENDING MASTERS CHAMPION: I told him that I was going to go home and wrap Caleb up in it.
(CRYING)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm glad I asked. Thanks, Bubba.
WATSON: Me, too.
(LAUGHTER)
WATSON: So, that was the -- the only thing I did with it.
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SNELL: That's Bubba, always emotional, always entertaining, Becky. And he would be a very popular winner were he to repeat here once more.
ANDERSON: Mr. Snell, thank you for that. Fasten your seat belts for Thursday.
And trans-Atlantic travelers will just fasten your seat belts, full stop. No, really. It's something you might be hearing a whole lot more of. The chance of hitting turbulence in flights between Europe and North America, I am told, is set to rise.
That is according to a study, at least, by the Universities of East Anglia and Reading here in the UK, and the bumpy rides being blamed on climate change, as our very own Richard Quest explains.
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RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: It is the sight and it is the sound --
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QUEST: -- that passengers fear quite often when, of course, turbulence hits. But this is an explanation of how planes manage to get across the Atlantic.
Every day, certain routes or tracks are set out for planes to follow. Think of them as motorways and interstates across the Atlantic. They're given a name or a letter and planes follow them one way and then the other. Obviously with full spacing between them.
On top of that, they're all geared to follow the jet stream. The jet stream is what propels jet aircraft across the Atlantic at faster speeds going from west to east, but of course, becomes a headwind in the opposite direction.
Now, this new research suggests that because of global warming, the jet stream is being affected and is going to move further north. As the jet stream moves further north then, of course, the tracks, too, will have to go up. Planes will have to fly further across the Atlantic, and that will, of course, increase costs.
It's not going to happen anytime soon. The best guess is the worst effects won't be seen for about 50-odd years.
Richard Quest, CNN, London.
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ANDERSON: In tonight's Parting Shots, personal reflections on an icon and an outcast.
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ROBIN OAKLEY, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Traveling the world with Margaret Thatcher was always interesting, challenging, and sometimes more than a little scary.
On the back of her RAF VC-10 once, I remember with a colleague from a newspaper challenging one of her policies, and she said, "You are completely and utterly and absolutely wrong," prodding my colleague with every gesture.
And we were going somewhere hot at the time, and he came down to breakfast the next morning, and you could actually see the row of bruises up from his elbow to his shoulder.
The most challenging time I think I had her with myself was at a Commonwealth conference in Kuala Lumpur in the days of the apartheid regime in South Africa. And the rest of Commonwealth wanted South Africa tossed out of the Commonwealth. Margaret Thatcher was fighting that.
And I said to her at a press conference, "Prime Minister, don't you -- given the odds against you here, don't you sometimes wake up in the early hours of the morning and think, 'I could conceivably be wrong'?"
And she fixed me with a glare that could've turned a man to an Easter Island monument at 40 paces and said, "If it's 48 against 1, then I'm just sorry for the 48." And she meant it.
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ANDERSON: Robin Oakley, there, on the late Margaret Thatcher. From the team here, it's a very good evening.
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