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Aired April 23, 2013 - 16:00 ET
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BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: Tonight on Connect the World.
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ZUBEIDAT TSARNAEV, MOTHER OF BOSTON BOMBING SUSPECTS: They were being killed just because they were Muslims, nothing else.
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ANDERSON: The mother of the Boston bombing suspects tells CNN that her sons have been framed.
ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.
ANDERSON: Tonight, inside the mind of a terrorist. We explore who or what motivates them to strike.
Also ahead, has Apple lost its bite? All will be revealed this hour as the tech giant prepares to release its latest earnings.
And, how what's been described as a catastrophic error has rocked the world of horse racing.
Well, we begin tonight with three terror investigations in three separate countries. Nick Paton Walsh is covering the Boston marathon bombings. He's just interviewed the mother of the suspects in the Russian Republic of Dagestan. Al Goodman is in Spain reporting on the arrest of two terror suspects with alleged links to al Qaeda. And Paula Newton is in Canada covering today's court appearance by two men accused of plotting a terror attack.
Well, we'll get to our correspondents in just a moment.
First, though, new developments to bring you in the Boston bombings investigation. The surviving suspect suggests he and his older brother were self radicalized and did not belong to any international terrorist group. Well, a U.S. government sources says Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is is communicating with investigators from his hospital bed by writing and nodding. His condition was upgraded from serious to fair.
He told authorities his brother masterminded the bombings, because he believed Islam is under attack and Muslims must have the right to defend it.
Well, his brother Tamerlan was killed in a shootout with police.
Dzhokhar is charged with federal crimes that could carry the death penalty.
Well, the suspect's mother says her sons have been framed. She gave an emotional interview from Nick Paton Walsh from her home in Dagestan. And Nick joins us now from the capital of that Russian republic.
What did she have to say, Nick?
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, incredibly emotional moment for her. Key, I think, in the early hours of this morning it became clear to her that she had not thought earlier on this was not a case of mistaken identity, it was her son Tamerlan who had been shot dead by the FBI, but still she maintains disbelief, and actually it's total state of denial that he had anything to do with the Boston bombings.
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WALSH: Zubeidat Tsarnaev has struggled to absorb the heinous accusations against both her sons and the pressure on her for answers amid her grief.
So, tell me how you feel about the accusations against him.
TSARNAEV: Terrible.
WALSH: Did he do what he is told?
TSARNAEV: They were been killed just because they were Muslims, nothing else.
WALSH: Do you think they'll get a fair trial?
TSARNAEV: What?
WALSH: Do you think they'll get a fair trial?
TSARNAEV: Only Allah knows it. I don't know.
WALSH: You want to go and see them now, though. If you can say something, if you can speak to them now...
(voice-over): Earlier, we phoned her. And she spoke of her last call to her sons the day before the police shot dead Tamerlan.
(on camera): What did they say to you?
TSARNAEV: Nothing. I love you, momma. I love you, momma.
WALSH: OK.
TSARNAEV: I love you, momma. We were talking about the cat, momma. I miss you, momma. We miss you.
WALSH: For days, she thought it was mistaken identity that the alleged dead bomber was not Tamerlan. But last night, she saw pictures of his body online and accepted his death, but not that either of her sons were the bombers.
TSARNAEV: No. Tamerlan was the most gentle, the most nicest, the most loving, the most loving boy. The loving my boy. And they killed him. They killed him. I see my son, I was not believing it until I see body of my son right in front of me. He's killed really cruelly.
You know what, I think. I think now they will try, they will try to make my Dzhokhar guilty, because he's -- they just, you know, took away his voice, his ability to talk to the world. You know why they did that? They did it because -- because they do not want the truth to come out, OK.
WALSH: Believing someone is framing her sons, she says she was meeting Russian authorities Tuesday, and now deeply distraught must confront a possible death sentence for Dzhokhar.
TSARNAEV: Their protector is God, who is Allah. The only one Allah. OK?
WALSH: I understand.
TSARNAEV: If they're going to kill him, they're going to kill him, I don't care. My oldest one is killed, so I don't care. I don't care if my youngest one is going to be killed today. So I want the world to hear this, and I don't care if I am going to get killed too. OK? And I will say Allahu akbar. That's what I'm going to say.
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ANDERSON: Nick Paton Walsh reporting there.
Well, just getting news into CNN Center that U.S. government official telling this network that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have been cited by Dzhokhar in the Boston Marathon terrorist attacks as motivating factors in his and his brother's reasons for carrying out the attacks.
We're going to have much more on that later as we continue to discuss and debate what might have radicalized these young men.
To Spain now, though, where police have arrested two terror suspects just days before the Madrid Marathon. One man was detained in the city of Zaragoza today, the other in Murcia. Authorities say the men have similar profiles to the Boston bombing suspects, although there is no indication the attacks are linked in any way.
Let's bring in Al Goodman in Madrid for more.
What are the details as we know at this point -- Al?
AL GOODMAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Becky. Authorities are saying that the most important of the two suspects is the younger man, the 23 year old Algerian, arrested in Zaragoza. Now he had contacts via the internet, had become more radicalized, authorities say, and he was trying to get to a terrorist training camp in Mali in North Africa under the guise of the al Qaeda in the Islamic Magreb.
He couldn't get there because his handlers, according to police, thought it was -- there was too much international police pressure. Spain, France, and Morocco had been keeping an eye on these two suspects for quite awhile. So he stayed put.
The 52 year old Moroccan man arrested in the other city in Murica also had some contacts with al Qaeda in the Islamic Magreb, the same place, but he wasn't quite as far along.
But the authorities decided this day was the day to do the arrest. The younger man had recently, just in recent days, praised the men who did the bombings in Boston -- Becky.
ANDERSON: Al Goodman out of Madrid for you this evening. Thank you, Al.
A terror investigator -- let me start that again -- a terror investigation also underway in Canada. Two men with suspected al Qaeda links are accused of plotting to derail a passenger train there. Well, they appeared separately in court earlier today, one in Toronto, and the other in Montreal.
Paula Newton joins us now from Toronto with the details -- Paula.
PAULA NEWTON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Becky, people in this country still reeling from the details of the plot. Police alleging that in fact these two suspects were determined to basically hit that soft target that al Qaeda has talked about trains that they were going to somehow bomb or sabotage the rail lines on a train from New York bound for here in Toronto.
Quite an interesting day, though, here in court. The one suspect who was from Toronto, Raed, was in court this morning. He said that -- all he would say is that he understood all the charges against him.
His lawyer, though, Becky, said much more outside of court. Strenously saying that, look, his client is not guilty and he will fight these charges. Take a listen.
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JOHN NORRIS, RAED JASER'S ATTORNEY: He's in a state of shock and disbelief. He's anxious to see the evidence that the crown says that it has against him. And we will move forward in that way.
He intends to defend himself vigorously against these charges. Look forward to assisting him in that.
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NEWTON: Now, as you heard him there, we had some time to speak to the lawyer. And John Norris did tell us that in fact he is questioning the timing of these arrests saying that they there timed very close to the Boston Marathon bombings. I have to underscore, Becky, so far Canadian officials say they have no reason to believe that this alleged plot had anything to do with the Boston bombings.
It is an interesting case, though. Two things are underscored here. Canadian authorities claiming it would be the first time that al Qaeda was involved in a planned attack in Canada. And also they are saying that, of course, it is al Qaeda elements in Iran that gave support and guidance. Many people questioning that assertion today, including the Iranian government which denies any state involvement, and more than that, is saying, look, we denounce the fact that Iran's name was used in connection with any alleged plot -- Becky.
ANDERSON: Paula, thank you for that.
Pulling together the many international strands on terrorism this evening. Just on the Boston Bombings story, I just want to update you. Again, something just coming into CNN here, keeping you bang up to date. Boston Mayor Menino has said that $20 million, $20 million has been raised for victims of the Boston Marathon bombings. That's news just coming to CNN Center. The Boston mayor reporting that $20 million has been raised for victims of Boston Marathon bombings.
All right, let's take a very quick break at this point.
Coming up, does al Qaeda still play a major role in global terrorism. Would-be attackers now going it alone? Self radicalized: we discuss that with our expert panel later in the show.
Plus, the semifinals of the Champion's League with the first leg match between Bayern and Barcelona happening right now. We're going to get the very latest result on that shortly for you.
And she's a singing superstar and her growing business empire is hitting all the right notes. We take a look at Beyonce's rise to the very top later this hour.
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ANDERSON: You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me, Becky Anderson. Welcome back.
Now, France is investigating an attack on one of its embassies. A car bomb exploded outside its embassy in Tripoli early on Tuesday. Three people were badly hurt, including two security guards and a teenage girl. Libya's government isn't speculating on who is behind the attack, but officials have strongly condemned it.
Well, in Syria, allegations have been flying about the use of chemical weapons for weeks. The government and rebels both accuse each other of using the banned weapons. Well, now it's Israel's military getting involved saying it has evidence which shows chemical weapons are being used by the al-Assad regime to fight the rebellion.
Let's get to Jerusalem where Sara Sidner is standing by.
What sort of evidence do the Israelis have for this?
SARA SIDNER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's interesting, because we didn't hear any evidence that they had gathered, for example, new evidence of chemical weapons being used in Syria or their own evidence. What was mentioned by this brigadier general who is a high ranking Israeli military intelligence official was a video on March 19, 2013, so this year, last month. He talked of seeing pictures of victims who were frothing at the mouth, for example, and having some of the reactions that you would have if, indeed, chemical weapons got into your body, the chemical agents were inside of your body.
So that is what he referred to. And he did not say anything further as to what evidence led him to make these very bold statements, and bold because we really haven't heard from any government officially and publicly that they believe that Syria has gone ahead and used chemical agents.
Let me let you hear when this information got out what happened when someone asked U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry who was just in this region about what this brigadier general said, saying that Syria did have chemical weapons and did use them.
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JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: I talked to prime minister Netanyahu this morning from here. I think it's fair for me to say that he was not in a position to confirm that in the conversation that I had. And so it's up to him and their process as to when and how they do that, not for me to make any other announcements except to say to you that I don't know yet what the facts are. I don't think anybody knows what they are.
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SIDNER: So you heard there. He's saying I don't know and I don't think anybody knows, referring to this brigadier general's statement.
Now, we can tell you as well that on Monday, U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel was here and he was with his counterpart, the minister of defense here Moshe Yaalon from Israel. And they met together. And they were asked pointblank did Syria use chemical weapons. Neither of them said yes, but they both said if Syria did use chemical weapons that that would be a gamechanger. And that is certainly going beyond the red line -- Becky.
ANDERSON: Just to ask -- then pause for one moment, before we move on -- how Israelis themselves react to these sort of statements when as Kerry has said, we don't know what's going on. We haven't got any evidence and he certainly doesn't believe anybody else has at this point.
SIDNER: Well, when you hear a brigadier general from your government saying that he believes that chemical weapons from the intelligence that they know, from the information that they have, their assessment is that chemical weapons have been used, I think people look at that and say it's hard to know who is telling the truth, but this is a brigadier general. He is in the intelligence community. He is very high up in the military. Why would he say that if he didn't really and truly believe from their assessment that that's what happened.
So when you hear all these statements, sometimes I think people think well those are just the politicians talking.
And I want to mention this, I did speak to the former intelligence head of Mossad who talked to me about Syria. He's very, very familiar with what's happening there and what's happening with the chemical weapons. And he talked about the fact that he thinks that politically speaking one of the reasons why you haven't heard governments come out publicly and say that they really do believe that Syria has crossed that red line is that then they have to act, because they have said it's a gamechanger. They have said that they will not allow it to happen. So that would force them to act.
And he says the only way to get rid of Syria's chemical weapons, which he believes are in many places deep underground, is to put troops on the ground and pull them out. And he says no government so far has shown that they'd be willing to do that, to enter in to Syria's very bloody civil war -- Becky.
ANDERSON: Fascinating. Sara, thank you.
We are seeing new flareup in a long running maritime dispute between China and Japan. Both countries have been at odds for months over these islands located in the East China Sea. Well, today Japan said that China sent eight of their government ships to the area. China, meanwhile, is protesting the presence of Japanese boats in the same waters. Both countries insisting the other remove its vessels.
Well, a man accused of sending ricin laced letters to U.S. President Barack Obama and other officials has been released from custody on bond. Paul Kevin Curtis was being held on the suspicion that he had sent the poisonous substance which triggered widespread alarm in Washington, you may remember. Curtis' attorney vehemently denies the charges saying he was set up.
Well, France's lower house has voted in favor of a bill allowing same sex couples to get married and to adopt kids.
Well, the vote follows months of fierce debate from a divided public. But it passed easily with a final tally of 331 to 225. Opponents still hope to block the law by bringing it before the constitutional council. CNN's Jim Bittermann reports.
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JIM BITTERMANN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It has been one of the most disputed proposals of President Francois Hollande's first year. Over the course of three months as it has worked its way through parliament, the law to legalize same-sex marriage has mobilized hundreds of thousands of demonstrations both for and against. It has crystallized public opinion and in some cases has been blamed for a tax against homosexuals.
The debate in the French parliament has been at times almost as violent. And lawmakers have received death threats. Yet at its root is a simple effort to legally clarify things for homosexual couples who already are living what amounts to married life anyway. Benoit Foucher and Emmanuel Allanos (ph), for example, are raising two children Foucher (ph) adopted as a single parent, legal under present law. But if something were to happen to him before this change in the law, his partner would have no parental rights. The new law will allow it.
But, in fact, many gay couples are not sure they will get married with a change of the law, just having that right is the most important thing.
JUDITH SILBERFELD, YAGG MAGAZINE: (inaudible) it's very important, and that almost no children to be (inaudible). So it won't change many, many -- too many things in real life.
BITTERMANN: But some believe it is the fact of change that has been behind many of the massive protests. Polls show most French, in fact, favor gay marriage, but the issue sends a deeper message for many here who believe the Socialist government of Francois Hollande is tampering with the core values of the nation.
ROLAND CAYROL, POLITICAL CONSULTANT: They have the idea that France is changing too much. And values are not there any more. And this marriage gay is something which the administration of disappearance of their France.
BITTERMANN: For many of those who have protested the law, in fact the issue is not one of gay rights, but rather what the shift in the law represents to French traditions, enough of a turn that even some who favor equal rights for homosexuals draw the line when it comes to family values.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We accept changes only if they are just, fair. And if there are a real progress. If it's not a progress, but if it's only something uncertain that's not really (inaudible) then we're not going to to accept changes.
BITTERMANN: Even though the law legalizing same-sex marriage has now passed the parliament, the president has promised to sign it and the French courts are likely to uphold it, opponents to it say their protests are going to continue because of what it represents, protests which will include what they hope will be their largest demonstration yet on May 26th, French mother's day.
Jim Bittermann, CNN, Paris.
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ANDERSON: All right, well weak data out of Germany's private sector could signal worse times to come for the European powerhouse. Markets composite purchasing managers in there for PMIs it's known, showed German output falling to a six month low of 48.8. Now that's important, any number below 50 indicates contraction. The chief economist at the company says that could drag on the entire EuroZone.
Well, Olli Rehn is vice president of the European Commission. Earlier, he told CNN that as Europe's growth forecast weaken, lawmakers are adapting to the changing circumstances.
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OLLI REHN, EUROPEAN COMMISSIONER FOR ECONOMIC AND MONETARY AFFAIRS: We are fully aware of the problems related to high levels of unemployment and slow growth in European countries. That's why it is essential that we work in order to support sustainable growth and job creation, full reforms through targeted investment and by having a sensible approach on fiscal consolidation. But at the same time, we also have to realize that the debt levels in Europe are about 90 percent -- around 90 percent this year. And it is having a drag on growth.
So we have a very difficult balance. On the one hand, support sustainable growth and job creation while at the same time having a consistent consolidation of our public finances.
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ANDERSON: Olli Rehn there speaking to CNN.
All right, live from London, this is Connect the World. It is 24 minutes past 9:00 London time.
Coming up, it could be the biggest doping scandal ever in horse racing. How deep does it go?
Four teams remain for Europe's -- European football's top prize. And Bayern Munich grab an early advantage on Barcelona? That game on as we speak. The result, well that's coming up.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) ANDERSON: Well, you're watching Connect the World live from London. I'm Becky Anderson for you. Welcome back.
Now a potentially serious, serious scandal is unfolding in the sport of horse racing.
Let's get to Don Riddell who is covering this story out of Atlanta.
And this story broke, what, about 12, 14 hours ago now, but it's been followed so closely all day by the horse racing world. We are talking doping in one of the most elite operations in the game. What's the story here?
DON RIDDELL, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely right. I mean, it's the Godolphin stable we're talking about which is hugely successful, very lucrative, and really stands for, you know, just kind of elite racing performance. But this revelation that 11 of their horses have tested positive for banned substances is a huge blow to the industry and highly, highly embarrassing for the Godolphin Stable, especially when you consider that the owner of this stable is the constitutional monarch in Dubai, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum.
Now the trainer who is responsible for these horses, Becky, Mohammed al Zarooni has admitted to making a catastrophic mistake, those are his words. He admits that these horses were given two banned substances, stanozolol and ethylestranol. And these horses between them have so far accounted for $2 million worth of prize money.
The industry, of course, is reacting to it not least because all the people money on these horses. They call it anti-post betting, which means you can bet on races quite a long time in advance. Of course, some of these horses now are not going to be racing in the near future, so the bookies in Britain are having to give everybody their money back.
It's a real mess for the industry and a real black eye for the reputation of Godolphin.
ANDERSON: Yeah, I mean, listen it would seem very unlikely that this was a mistake.
What does this say about the world of racing? Is it indicative in any way of the wider use of steroids, do you think, in the sport?
RIDDELL: Well, we would hope now. And the British racing authorities who are now looking into this say they don't believe that's the case. They believe this is an isolated incident. You know, of course, it could be going on, but they don't believe this to be the case.
al-Zarooni, the trainer in question, is obviously now under investigation. He could lose his license over this. And these horses said they're not going to be racing for awhile. I mean, for example the unbeaten filly Certify has been pulled out of the 1000 Guineas from Newmarket coming up. And you know, just such a mess.
ANDERSON: Yeah, all right.
Well, let me tell you, keeping one eye on the football tonight. The clash of two titans in the first of the semifinals of the champion's league. And wow, what a game.
RIDDELL: Yeah, you wouldn't know it was a clash of two titans by looking at the scoreline. Just a few minutes to go and it's Bayern Munich 4, Barcelona 0. Muller scored twice. Gomez and Robben also on target for the Bavarian giants at the Allianz Arena.
Becky, I think I have to say I think this tie is pretty much done and dusted. There is going to be a second leg in Barcelona next week, but just an absolutely astonishing scoreline.
You know, they were describing this as an era defining match. Of course Barcelona have been the dominant team in Europe for the last five or six years. Many people think that Bayern Munich could become that team, especially since the former Barcelona coach Pep Guardiola will soon be managing Bayern Munich, but the way they're playing right now it doesn't look like they need him.
ANDERSON: Yeah, no. And I know you were betting on Bayern anyway. Never write Barcelona off at home. They could easily score five goals. I don't think we'd ever say that about another team, but the likelihood is that they probably won't.
RIDDELL: I don't think it's going to happen this time.
ANDERSON: ...game next week.
All right, good stuff.
Listen, we'll go to Germany later in the show, of course. Thank you, Don. Don back at -- in about an hour's time with World Sport. We, on this show, will go to Germany later for the result of this game, but quite frankly as Don says, I think it's all over.
Also coming up, singer, songwriter, artist, and businesswoman, Beyonce shares her secrets of success in the latest installment of our Leading Women series.
And a threat of radicalization. Is al Qaeda still a major influence, or are would-be attackers taking the lead in planning acts of terror? We'll speak to experts after the break. Your headlines follow this.
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ANDERSON: Welcome back, this is CONNECT THE WORLD, the top stories for you this hour.
The Boston bombings suspect is now said to be in fair condition. Investigators are continuing to question Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in hospital. A source says he told them his older brother masterminded the deadly marathon attack and they did it to defend Islam.
Spanish police have taken two men into custody they believe are connected to an al Qaeda-affiliated group. One of the men reportedly praised the Boston Marathon bombers online, and that prompted police to act. Investigators say there's now evidence of any imminent attack.
French president Francois Hollande is urging Libya to act quickly to find the culprit behind an attack on the French embassy in Tripoli. A car bomb exploded early Tuesday near the embassy's front door. It wounded three people and caused significant damage.
France's lower house has approved a bill allowing same-sex couples to get married and to adopt. French Senate approved the measure earlier this month. Opponents still hope to block the law by bringing it before the constitutional council.
A hospital interrogation is helping US authorities slowly piece together what happened in Boston last week. The surviving bombing suspect, as we know, is communicating with investigators by writing and nodding his head. A US government official now says Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has cited the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as motivating factors for the Boston attacks.
Now, Tsarnaev says he and his brother, Tamerlan, had no contact with any foreign terrorist organization, but were radicalized by jihadist teachings on the internet. Authorities investigating, then, whether the brothers got instructions for building bombs from "Inspire," a magazine published online by al Qaeda. They stress that all information from Dzhokhar is preliminary and still must be verified.
Well, what or who makes a terrorist tick? I'm joined now by Ed Husain and Usama Hasan with me here in the studio. Ed in the States is a former activist for alleged terror organizations, like Hizb ut-Tahrir in the UK, but now is a strong critic of extremism and Islam.
And Usama is with the Quilliam Foundation, which is a counter- extremist think tank. He's also a part-time imam who has used his position to tackle issues like terrorism head on.
Let me just start with you, if I can, Usama. Ed, and we'll come to you shortly. I just want to bring something up on the monitor here. I want you just to explain to us, as far as you understand, exactly where you believe the influences of the al Qaeda franchises are most specifically in the world at the moment.
USAMA HASAN, QUILLIAM FOUNDATION: Well, of course, at the time of 9/11, al Qaeda was headquartered in Afghanistan and surrounding areas, the tribal areas of Pakistan. Ten, twelve years on, they have a significant presence in Iraq and Syria, of course.
ANDERSON: Here --
HASAN: Over here.
ANDERSON: Yes, yes.
HASAN: Also, North Africa, and the recent French intervention in Mali has heightened the risk there. And Yemen and Somalia also have significant al Qaeda presence, and they're only separated by a small body of water. There is a lot of crossing by boat between those two areas.
ANDERSON: How much influence do these organizations have on cells, individuals, who might be operating outside of these regions?
HASAN: Well, the narrative, or the rhetoric, which al Qaeda has promoted for 15, 20 years, has been pretty much global, through originally books and audio tapes, but now, certainly, videos, online videos, DVDs, and magazines.
They have, unfortunately, inspired terrorists around the world, including the US and Canada and Britain, as we've seen several times here in this country. So, their reach is actually global. They're still very small in terms of number, but the potential is quite lethal, of course.
ANDERSON: What I want to talk to both of you about tonight, and let's bring Ed up on the monitor, is whether you believe there is more of a risk of self-radicalized individuals who don't belong to any one specific organization or ally themselves with one specific organization, like al Qaeda, for example, whether there's a risk of more of that going forward. Is there, Ed?
ED HUSAIN, SENIOR FELLOW, COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS: It -- to be completely candid, it's difficult to assess whether that's the major risk, or whether it is al Qaeda-related individuals, simply because al Qaeda- affiliated members or al Qaeda's adherents can still infiltrate and carry out the 9/11-style or their desire to attack the Olympic site.
Those kind of huge, dramatic attacks that they want to conduct is something that's still on their radar. Don't forget they've vowed to avenge for Osama bin Laden's death. That still hasn't materialized, and God forbid that it should materialize.
So, any major al Qaeda attack can be dramatic, and therefore minimize the -- 200 people dead, but 3 people, including the police, 4 people died in the Boston attack.
So, if it's a question of imagery and effect and carnage, then al Qaeda can still -- when it's not on our radar, because as Thatcher once said, they only have to be right once -- and if they can get through the net once and perpetrate an attack, then I think that would be greater.
But that said, there are individuals who now see al Qaeda not as an organization anymore, but as a philosophy, as a brand, as an image, as a set of ideas. As Sheikh Usama was saying, as an ideology. And that risk is higher, because it's difficult to monitor those individuals in the same way that you can monitor al Qaeda central to the extent that it can be monitored.
ANDERSON: Is there a profile, Usama, of the sort of characters that officials should be looking out for these days, that perhaps they haven't been aware of in the past.
In the UK, of course, there are lessons learned from the bombings in 2005, and what we might have considered lone wolves in the past, who took - - who sort of self-radicalized and took their teaching from online environments. Is there a profile?
HASAN: No, is the sort answer. It's a very difficult problem, because what we have is a complex set of ideas. An ideology, in fact, which says that the West in general is at war with Islam and Muslims everywhere. And all true, devout Muslims must take part in this war and must take up arms and join the war.
And there's no specific profile. Often you get grievance and exclusion. Racism, perhaps, which led me to be radical when I was younger. Experiencing any kind of exclusion or discrimination in society can be factors.
Or for your home country to experience a war, so Chechnya is a good example with the Boston connection, Chechnya and Dagestan have had a brutal war for the last 20 years. Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan.
Unfortunately, conflict does breed more conflict. What we really need right now is to address the idea and the ideology behind all this, which worldwide Muslim communities haven't done enough of.
We need more Muslim leadership to take ownership of this problem and say, we do believe in peace and living comfortably in the world, and we don't have to have narrow ideas of a global Islamic state with imposing Sharia Law, et cetera.
ANDERSON: All right. Usama, thank you for that. Ed, very briefly, what radicalized you?
HUSAIN: I think it's some of the issues that Sheikh Usama was mentioning, the sense of isolation, the lack of a sense of belonging, buying into a global ideology, the ready availability of people on university campuses that belong to organizations that you referred to earlier. And -- a sense of global brotherhood. And underlying all of that was a sense that we were doing God's work.
And I think the good news is that, yes, a whole generation of people younger than myself and Sheikh Usama were involved, but we left those organizations, we came out, we moved on. And the same can happen for this generation of young Muslims growing up, that as the uncle put it, unless you leave those organizations, you're losers.
And I think that's the strong message that needs to go out to young people contemplating joining those movements, that there's nothing to be gained from it, nor God's pleasure, nor the pleasure of your family, parents, or society. It's a path of destruction.
ANDERSON: Both of you, we thank you very much, indeed, for joining us this evening.
HASAN: Thank you.
HUSAIN: Thank you.
ANDERSON: I'm just getting the latest earnings in out of one of the biggest companies in the world. The tech giant Apple reporting that second quarter earnings and sales have beat forecasts. Now, the company has announced that it's boosting its stock-buyback program and has raised its dividend by 15 percent. Apple stock has plunged roughly 45 percent since September.
Felicia, I wish I'd sold some stock early and had organized to buy it back at a lower price, because at this point, these shares ought to go a lot higher. This is much better than the market had been expecting.
FELICIA TAYLOR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It is better than the market was expecting, but you've got to remember that this is still the first profit down -- downside that they've seen in a decade.
So, while they certainly beat Wall Street expectations ever so slightly with coming in at $43.6 billion versus expectations of $42.2 billion, nevertheless, also earning $10.09 a share versus $9.97. Again, this is definitely a weak quarter for Apple.
And the concern, of course, is whether or not they're going to be able to come up with any kind of device that's actually going to be able to outdo what they've already seen in terms of the iPhone and the iPad. So, that's really the problem here.
How big of a threat is Samsung to this company? The other problem with this is that their guidance going forward has been quite weak, and that's what Wall Street's going to focus on in trading tomorrow.
ANDERSON: Yes, interesting. So, the idea of sell on the rumor, buy on the fact, as it were, doesn't really work out, you're saying, on this one. You'd be surprised to see a massive, massive push on the share price going into trade tomorrow?
TAYLOR: Yes, I really would, because it's still such a mixed picture for Apple, and there's so many concerns out there. It's interesting that obviously they did add $50 billion to their share buyback. They did also hike their quarterly dividend by 15 percent to $3.05 a share.
That's also good -- all good news because it indicates that they're willing to delve into those cash piles, and they've got $137 billion worth of a cash pile to dive into. It's not necessarily good for the company moving forward to see where they're actually going to go.
There's no clear-cut evidence yet as to what they're going to come out with in terms of a new product. We've seen plenty of new product from some of the other device makers, but Apple is still a big question. And you've got to remember, this stock has been down about 25, 30 percent in just a few months.
ANDERSON: Yes, Apple TV, Smart TVs, the business of tomorrow? We shall see whether they can retain any sort of foothold as we move through the next few months. But Felicia, for now, thank you very much, indeed.
Apple's earnings out, higher than the market had been expecting, but a cautionary tale, there, from Felicia Taylor, and sensibly put. Apple's earnings and sales beating forecasts, the company boost stock-buyback program and raises the dividend by 15 percent.
But watch this space. Be sensible with your money. Not sure that that's going to be a real boost to its stock price going forward.
Live from London, you're watching CONNECT THE WORLD. Coming up, she's one of the biggest names in music, but Beyonce's brand is also big business. We look at the singer's rise to fame and fortune.
And the first Champions League semifinal match is in the books. We're going to get to Germany for the very latest of the first leg clashes, this one between Bayern Munich and Barcelona.
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ANDERSON: She's an international singing sensation who also has a keen business sense, and most of the world knows here just by her first name. This weak on Leading Women, Kristie Lu Stout hears from those who have watched Beyonce's rise to superstardom.
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KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): She's one of the top-selling, most-honored, and most-influential artists around.
BEYONCE, PERFORMER: I love art, and I love to sing. I love to perform. It's what I was born to do.
STOUT: And when an artist becomes known by only one name, you know she's a star.
NE YO, PERFORMER: Every time you see Beyonce, every time you hear Beyonce, you're expecting to see or hear the best thing you've ever seen or heard. From a female artist standpoint.
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STOUT: But Beyonce is also a business and a brand, from music to film, fashion, endorsements and more. How a hairdresser's daughter from Houston, Texas, became one of the most powerful and inspirational women in entertainment.
GAIL MITCHELL, SENIOR EDITOR, "BILLBOARD" MAGAZINE: She had a dream, she envisioned it, hard work, determination. And this is the result.
STOUT: Beyonce Knowles began performing with a girl group at the age of eight. About seven years later, the group, by then known as Destiny's Child, made its major record label debut. As the breakout star, Beyonce eventually launched a solo career that has firmly established her as an icon.
CORI MURRAY, ENTERTAINMENT EDITOR, "ESSENCE" MAGAZINE: Beyonce inspires others to dream, because she is always reminding us that she was just this young girl out of Houston, Texas, who had a dream to be a performer. And look at her now.
STOUT: Where she is now is on the Forbes list of the world's most powerful women, with her own fashion line, plus multimillion-dollar endorsement deals for everything from perfume to Pepsi, her influence spreads beyond her music.
JUNE AMBROSE, FASHION STYLIST: Beyonce's impact in pop culture, not just within the music industry, but I think in terms of the beauty industry, I think in terms of fashion, she's become, really, the poster child in terms of her brand being so well-rounded.
MURRAY: This is not a woman who just says -- she lends her name to it, and then she's gone and off to St. Barts or off to her yacht. No, she is there. She's in the meetings, she's doing concepts. Her decisions are really entwined into what her businesses are that have her name. Because she knows that it's a reflection of her.
STOUT: It's a long way from a girl group in Houston to become one of the biggest brands in the business. The story of success that inspires others to follow their own dreams.
BEYONCE: I grew up with family that was successful, but not born successful, and I believe with hard work and with a goal and love and positivity, then eventually we're going to be fine.
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ANDERSON: And we're going to have more on Beyonce next week on Leading Women, and she's going to talk about who inspired her and what she wants to do next and lots more at cnn.com/leadingwomen.
Coming up after this short break on CONNECT THE WORLD, the first Champions League semifinal match is done and dusted. We're going to get from Germany who emerged victorious from the first leg clash between Bayern Munich and Barcelona.
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ANDERSON: The first of the Germany versus Spain semifinal match-ups in the Champions League ended a short time ago, this one featuring Bayern hosting Barcelona in the first leg in Bavaria. Our Fred Pleitgen has been following the action for us in Germany, and he joins us now.
This was supposed to be, well, one of the biggest games, well, that may of us might have seen, and yet it seems that Germany have come out on top, right.
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, yes, that doesn't make it less of a big game, does it, Becky?
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ANDERSON: No, it doesn't.
PLEITGEN: I mean, considering if you're German, then it actually was quite a big game. Yes, you're absolutely right, Bayern Munich won by 4 to 0 against Barcelona. Not many people would have predicted that.
The first half, I think, was pretty much equal, Bayern, of course, getting a little lucky to score that first goal. But then in the second half, yes, they were definitely the dominant team, then scoring that second goal.
And of course, the third goal, some people might have believed that was a little unfair, there might have been a foul play involved in that, but certainly 4-0, that is quite an historic result. We went back and checked, and it appears as though the last time that Barcelona lost by a four-goal differential was in 1997 on this level.
So, certainly, this was a very, very big game for Bayern Munich, certainly one where they are very happy about all this. But keep in mind that there have been games in the past where Bayern Munich was very far ahead and lost in the end. So, certainly, this is not a done deal, when you're dealing with Barcelona, but yet, it was a very big game if you are German, Becky.
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ANDERSON: I feel suitably chastised by you, and rightly so. Well done, you. Listen, I've got a -- I've got time tomorrow night to redeem myself slightly, because once again, we've got another Germany-Spain tie- up.
PLEITGEN: Yes.
ANDERSON: This time, Dortmund and Real Madrid. Just give us a sense of how important these couple of days are to fans of German football.
PLEITGEN: Oh! Very, very important. Also because German teams in the past couple of years haven't really gotten as far as this. And now you have two German teams in this semifinal stage. That certainly is a very big thing.
And there's also a lot of things happening right now in German football. If you look at Bayern Munich today, they have that big scandal going on with their president, Uli Hoeness, being investigated for tax evasion. And they've also just purchased the best player of Borussia Dortmund, Mario Gotze, who is going to play tomorrow against Real Madrid.
So, it really is Germany in a football fever, if you will. You're seeing people even here in Berlin who are Bayern Munich fans, which normally the people in Berlin don't really like the people from Bavaria, but it is a very big thing.
So, Champions League is really the big topic here, and it's really also one of the times where the German clubs don't see themselves as underdogs compared to the Spanish clubs. Bayern Munich certainly now believes they are the team to beat in this competition, Becky.
ANDERSON: Yes, absolutely. Good stuff. All right, thank you, sir, and we will be doing the same thing, I'm sure, tomorrow evening at this time, Dortmund-Real Madrid, of course, tomorrow evening. Four-nil in the first of the tops, these of course the first leg of the semifinal games in the Champions League. Fred, thank you, sir.
And just to remind you, a little programming note for you. All last year, iReporters have helped CNN cover some of the world's biggest stories with your personal reports. Now, we're honoring those contributions in the third annual CNN iReport Awards.
We've chosen 36 nominees in 6 categories, and here are some of the hopefuls in what is the Breaking News category.
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ANDERSON: To vote for the special Community Choice Award, you can find out about our nominees, because it's the part that you can get involved in. Go to cnnireportawards.com.
Just time for our Parting Shots tonight. Can you remember life before YouTube? Well, hard to believe, but the website turned eight years old today.
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JAWED KARIM, CO-FOUNDER, YOUTUBE: All right, so here we are, in front of the elephants. I'm hoping --
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ANDERSON: This 19-second clip is the very first YouTube video, which was posted April the 23rd, 2005. It's actually Jawed Karim, the website's co-founder, at the San Diego Zoo. Pretty primitive, isn't it, by today's standards?
But Karim and his partner -- his business partner sold to Google the following year for a whopping $1.65 billion. So probably they can support themselves.
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ANDERSON: Well, the most-watched video on YouTube, that would be Psy's "Gangnam Style," with more than 1.5 billion views. The video helped turn the Korean rapper into an international superstar.
YouTube has also become the number one source of viral videos, like this, posted from a Russian user showing a cat playing with a vacuum cleaner. It's one of the most-watched this week.
I'm Becky Anderson, that has been CONNECT THE WORLD for you here on CNN. It is a very good evening from the crew here.
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