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Russia Catches CIA Spy "Red-Handed;" Syria Regime, Opposition Strongly Condemn Grisly Video; Filipino Migrant Workers Vulnerable To Illegal Recruitment Firms
Aired May 14, 2013 - 16:00 ET
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FIONNUALA SWEENEY, HOST: Tonight, caught red-handed. Russia says it's nabbed an American spy recruiting for the CIA.
Why Angelina Jolie is taking no chances with breast cancer.
And arrivederci Mancini, another big name says good-bye to Manchester.
ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World.
SWEENEY: Russia is accusing the United States of Cold War era deception, saying it's caught an American spy red-handed. Moscow says an undercover CIA agent tried to recruit a Russian security services member. It says he was detained with an arsenal of spy equipment.
So, let's bring in Phil Black. He's in Moscow. And he has the details.
Phil, what do we know so far?
PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Fionnuala, so far no response from the U.S. embassy or the officials there about these allegations. But the Russians are clearly very confident they caught a spy operating out of the U.S. embassy here in Moscow. And they've gone out of their way to blow his cover very publicly.
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BLACK: This was the moment Russia's FSB, its federal security service, says it caught an American spy on the streets of Moscow. Helpfully, the Russians released photos and video showing off their catch. That is not a happy face. The Russians say the man in the unconvincing blonde wig is Ryan Fogel. His official job is third secretary in the political unit of the U.S. embassy. The FSB says he works for the CIA. And it caught him wigged up in the act of trying to recruit a member of Russia's own special services.
He's accused of carrying this spy kit along with pocket knives, flashlight and compass. It includes another wig, sunglasses, a big pile of cash and a letter which the FSB says contains instructions to the person Fogel was trying to recruit.
Russian state media says the letter offered $100,000 to talk, and a million dollars a year for long-term cooperation.
This alleged case of bungled espionage could extend much further than just one embarrassed spy. Russia claims the CIA has made several recent attempts to turn Russian agents. And the FSB was tracking them.
Officials at the Russian foreign ministry behind me described all of this as provocative, in the spirit of the Cold War. And they say it raises serious questions about America's intentions. The U.S. ambassador has been summoned there to explain.
Russia and the U.S. recently promised to work more closely together on counterterrorism and Syria. Secretary of State John Kerry was in Moscow only last week.
Ryan Fogel has been ordered to leave Russia. How the two countries continue to respond to the dramatic outing of an alleged spy will determine if recent progress continues.
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BLACK: So Russia says it's been watching as the CIA tries to recruit or turn a number of its members, agents of security and law enforcement organizations here, but what it hasn't said is why it eventually decided to go public, Fionnuala.
SWEENEY: Exactly as you say. Russia very publicly blew Ryan Fogel's cover, but let me ask you is this story making as many headlines in Moscow as it is in Washington?
BLACK: It is, indeed. Certainly this has been big news here across Russia today. And really the next key step in this story will be what America's response will be to determine just what impact this is likely to have on Russia-U.S. relations. Those relations have been very frosty for the last 18 months or so, warmer in recent weeks as both countries have promised to work together on counterterrorism and Syria, but now Russia and Moscow will be looking to see if the United States goes for tit-for-tat expulsions now that Ryan Fogel has been ordered to leave the country, Fionnuala.
SWEENEY: Phil Black in Moscow, thank you for joining us with that live update.
Well, the Cold War may be long gone, but that hasn't put spying on ice, of course. In 2010, there was an exchange of 10 Russian agents before working for the United States. Anna Chapman was among those sent back to Moscow. Chapman was accused of being part of a ring to recruit intelligence agents within the U.S. She once famously listed 99 Fake Street as her address while buying a mobile phone.
This fake rock was discovered by Russian security services in 2006. Four years later, a former government official admitted that British agents had packed it full of high tech espionage equipment and planted it on a Moscow street. The rock was then used to beam sensitive information to and from handheld computers.
And then this is disgraced FBI double agent Robert Philip Hanson. A year after his arrest in 2001, he was found guilty of passing classified information to Russia over a period of 20 years. A commission examining FBI security programs described his treason as, quote, possibly the worst intelligence disaster in U.S. history.
When announcing today's detention of the alleged American spy, Russia accused the United States of repeated attempts to recruit Russian agents. Gene Coyle is a retired CIA officer specializing in Russian affairs. He's now a professor at Indiana University. He joins us now.
What is your take in all this, professor?
GENE COYLE, RETIRED CIA OFFICER SPECIALIZING IN RUSSIAN AFFAIRS: Well, it just goes to show you that the Cold War is over and relations have certainly improved in some areas with Russia, but the game of espionage continues on for most all countries. Political leaders always want to know that behind the scenes story, is what is being told to them across the diplomatic table the truth?
So the Russians have continued spying at America and England, it would appear as though American intelligence officers are still at work in Russia.
SWEENEY: And even if people know in Washington and Moscow that there are layers and layers potentially behind this very public outing, are we aware of any distinction to be made, or any analysis to be taken from the manner in which this man Ryan Fogel was outed, so to speak?
COYLE: I think you can draw a few conclusions. Having served in Moscow myself -- fortunately I never got caught, so I didn't get to see the inside of their security service, but one thing from the preparation they had of the arrest scene and the videos and everything else, this wasn't where the FSB just got lucky one night following Mr. Fogel around, this was carefully prepared. It was probably an entrapment, a provocation from the get-go and Russian...
SWEENEY: Why do you say that?
COYLE: ...managed to get word -- had they just stumbled on to him while he was out wandering around Moscow late one night, they wouldn't have been so prepared with all of the number of people and the cameras, the layout on the table and the video that they've released. This would have been -- I'm about 90 percent certain, right from the get-go this was a provocation, i.e. the Russians do this because they want to know who are the CIA people, what's the MO that's being used these days. So in this letter, they certainly learned about the use of the internet. This might be something new to them.
SWEENEY: And they also learned about the amounts of money being offered. Is that fairly standard in your experience? And what kind of information would the CIA be hoping to glean?
COYLE: Well, for that kind of money this certainly wasn't some sergeant working down in the basement. If you're talking about $1 million a year, clearly whatever was said in the opening contact to the Americans would have certainly made clear that he was at least a senior official, perhaps in the FSB or the foreign service, the SBR and that he had a lot of very important information.
Responding to a volunteer like that is always considered very risky. And no one ever responds to most such volunteers. So you've got to think it's worth the candle to take the risk.
SWEENEY: And obviously this is where you believe that it might have been a case of entrapment.
A final question, if I may, what is the future for this young man? And we heard from Phil Black about the next step is in Washington's court, what do you think is going to happen there?
COYLE: Well, he will be treated very well. And he might even be promoted when he comes back. The head of the Duma's international relations committee, a guy by the name of Pushkov, has already said this is no big long-term tragedy, this is just one little blip, perhaps the FBI in the next week or two if they've been following around a Russian intel officer and were about to arrest him this summer, maybe they'll go ahead and arrest him now.
In this game over the decades, we've often seen a little tit-for-tat just to remind the other side, hey, if you mess with us we'll arrest one of your people.
SWEENEY: Pretty much another day at the office, then, for both sides.
Thanks very much indeed Professor Coyle for joining us there from Indiana.
Still to come this hour, it's being called a horrific and inhumane act that crosses the line. We get more details on the disturbing video that's being condemned by both sides in Syria.
Plus, we get the latest from Washington where the U.S. Justice Department is accused of collecting phone records from the press.
And Prince Harry meets the governor of New Jersey. The latest on the young royal's U.S. tour coming up.
All that and much more when Connect the World continues.
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SWEENEY: Graphic footage has emerged online allegedly showing a Syrian rebel carving out the heart of a dead government soldier and eating it. The opposition has condemned the act, calling it horrific and inhumane. CNN's Mohammed Jamjoom joins us live from Beirut in neighboring Lebanon for more details and reaction.
It's difficult to believe that the standards there in terms of the recriminations could have sunk this far, low and all as they have been in recent times.
MOHAMMED JAMJOOM, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, Fionnuala. This is so ghastly, and it really shows just how barbaric things have become on the battlefield there in Syria.
Now, we cannot independently verify the authenticity of this video, but we've spoken to a rebel spokesman who says that he was a friend of the man who is in this video that these events did take place in Homs more than two weeks ago. The video is so graphic that we can only show you portions of it even as its heavily blurred.
In the video, you see a man who is known to his friends as Abu Sakar (ph), one of the co-founders of the Farouk Brigade. He is standing over a mutilated corpse of what appears to be a regime soldier. He then carves into the chest of this soldier. He rips out the man's heart and the man's liver. He then looks into the camera says, "we will eat your hearts and livers you dogs, you soldiers of Bashar." And then proceeds to bite into the heart.
This is a video that has gotten condemnation from the Free Syrian Army. It's been condemned by the Syrian National Coalition as well as by the UN.
It is so graphic and so gruesome . And it has really gone viral in a way that other videos haven't.
Most videos that we've seen of atrocities being committed in Syria are videos that depict atrocities being committed by the regime or by pro- regime militias. This seems to be showing a rebel soldier committing these acts.
Now I spoke with Nadim Houry. He's with Human Rights Watch here in Beirut. He said this is a war crime. He says there needs to be some sort of mechanism in place to make sure that both sides in the conflict in Syria don't act with impunity, which he says is what they're doing right now.
Here's more of what Mr. Houry had to tell me earlier today.
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NADIM HOURY, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH: What is the opposition leadership doing to stop such practices? It's not enough to just condemn them, they have to put mechanisms in place. Obviously there have been, you know, even more numerous violations on the government side. And to this day, there's been no accountability whatsoever.
But there's also a third element here, which is the role of the international community. You know, why is Russia and China still preventing a referral to the International Criminal Court.
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JAMJOOM: Mr. Houry went on to tell me that while this video is indeed shocking and graphic, he says what's more shocking is the fact that the international community hasn't been able to do more to stop these crimes of war that are going on in Syria -- Fionnuala.
SWEENEY: All right. From Beirut, Mohammed Jamjoom reporting.
Well, this incident comes as Jordan's foreign ministry announced it will host a friends of Syria meeting next week. Nations supporting Syria's rebels will discuss options for peace negotiations brokered by the U.S. and Russia last week. The U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said he expected peace talks to commence in early June and to include representatives from the Syrian government as well as opposition fighters.
The United States Attorney General Eric Holder says he recused himself from the decision to subpoena the phone records of reporters working for the Associated Press news agency and said the decision was made by his deputy.
In a letter in Monday, AP's president accused the Justice Department of secretly collecting two months of telephone records. The AP reported that the government had failed to say why it wanted the records, but said it followed an investigation into how details about a failed bomb plot were leaked.
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ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: This was a very serious -- a very serious leak, and a very, very serious leak. I've been a prosecutor since 1976 and I have to say that this is among, if not the most serious, it is within the top two or three most serious leaks that I've ever seen. It put the American people at risk, and that is not hyperbole, it put the American people at risk. And trying to determine who was responsible for that I think required very aggressive action.
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SWEENEY: Eric Holder, the U.S. attorney general there.
After weeks of nonstop searching, the recovery effort at a collapsed building in Bangladesh has come to an end. Authorities believe there's no chance of finding the bodies of any more victims. The death toll stands at 1,127 with dozens of people still missing.
Grieving families held a prayer vigil today near the ruins of the factory complex. Leone Lakhani was there.
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LEONE LAKHANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: "But my son, my son." This mother cries for her child. He (inaudible) for just eight days when the building collapsed.
Today, for many like her, the hope of finding their beloved is now gone forever.
On Tuesday, the army led recovery effort was officially called off. A special prayer vigil marked the end of a tireless 21 day search for those trapped beneath the rubble of this garment building.
Rohema's (ph) son is one of many still missing.
Some 2,400 workers survived, more than 1,000 did not.
(on camera): This is what's left of the nine story Rana Plaza (ph), now the infamous site of the country's deadliest industrial disaster, but many are hoping this will bring about the safety reforms that are much needed in this country and the lives of all those lost were not in vain.
Leone Lakhani, CNN, Dhaka, Bangladesh.
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SWEENEY: Several boats carrying around 150 Rohinya Muslims are believed to have capsized off the western coast of Myanmar. The incident took place as residents evacuated the area ahead of an approaching cyclone. The United Nations says the boats were tied together and ferrying people away in heavy rain and choppy waters. There was already concern for the safety of tens of thousands of Rohinya Muslims driven from their homes after sectarian attacks by Buddhists last year.
Well, let's get more, then, on that cyclone heading for Myanmar. Tom Sater is at the international weather center -- Tom.
TOM SATER, CNN WEATHER CORRESPONDENT: Well, Fionnuala, the category right now for this tropical cyclone is severe, but will reach the level of very severe in the next 24 hours.
Here is our view from space. It's not a very large cyclone, it's not a very strong -- equivalent really to a category one hurricane, but it's not the size or the strength that is concerning, what it is is the geometry of the area, the low lying land mass and the high populated area that will have to put up with heavy rain that already last week was inundated by over 400 millimeters. So you toss in more rainfall. There will be more mudslides that already took lives just a few days ago. And then of course the concern in Myanmar with the low lying areas as well.
Northeast winds at 13 kilometers per hour currently 896 kilometers south, southwest of Kolkata.
Now we do believe, even though it's undergoing some shear, which means it's weakened a little bit -- winds yesterday were at 93 kilometers per hour, now it's at 83 -- we do believe it will pick up in its intensity and it will pick up in its forward momentum.
8.2 million people live in this threatened area, but Chittagong right now -- Chittagong is home to 5.7 million. This seems to be right now the way all things are panning out to be the landfall area. Any area from Chittagong to the east, which includes those areas of concern in Myanmar, will have the higher storm surge, the sea waves that move into the area.
So, again, as we take a look at the Joint Typhoon Warning Center's forecast, they have a little bit of a later landfall period. They're saying maybe 8:00 am Friday morning. Most computer models push it earlier. We here at CNN World Weather Center believe it could be a 5:00 p.m. Thursday night between five and 10, late Thursday in the evening, against still right around Chittagong.
So for those in this area, do not wait until Thursday evening if you think it's a Friday morning landfall, the conditions will quickly deteriorate.
Once it does make landfall, we'll watch the system slowly start to break up.
But heavy amounts of rain in an area already, Fionnuala, that's been inundated. We will have landslides, but it's the storm surge problem that we are most concerned about with the heavy amounts of rain, so it's not the size or the strength of the storm right now, it's the position in the heavy populated areas that's a big concern.
SWEENEY: All right, Tom Sater, thank you.
And live from London, this is Connect the World. Coming up, promised work and a new life abroad and then forced to become modern day slaves. We explore the Philippine's problem with illegal recruitment agencies.
Brad Pitt speaks out after his fiancee's decision to have major preemptive surgery. His encouraging words and Angelina Jolie's story coming up.
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SWEENEY: Welcome back. I'm Fionnuala Sweeney.
Modern day slavery, it is an issue closer to all of us than we may think. According to the international labor organization three in every 1,000 people worldwide are in some form of forced labor, unable to escape and live their lives in Freedom.
Here at CNN, we are committed to the global fight, bringing you the facts and the stories of those at the front line of this hidden war.
Tonight, we bring you a report from the Philippines, a country where workers are particularly vulnerable to human traffic. Kristie Lu Stout finds out why.
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KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Port of Manila hums with activity as goods come and go. But look closely, and you'll see something disturbing, especially to Filipinos. In recent years, the Philippines' greatest export has become its people.
MITCH RAMOS, SOCIAL WORKER: Because of the economic situation that they have in their provinces, because of the low income also of the family that they have, so it's really -- it has really shown that poverty is really the main cause.
STOUT (voice-over): Mitch Ramos is a social worker who helps Filipino girls returning home from working abroad.
At this halfway house near the seaport, Ramos cared for children and young women classified as victims of human trafficking. She says in almost every case, the girls came from desperately poor families and weren't sure who or what was awaiting them when they agreed to go with the job recruiters.
RAMOS: They can easily be tricked also and they are full from the promises that you can have this; you can have that when you go there. I will -- they will give you everything. So they are giving a lot of promises.
STOUT (voice-over): The Philippines ranks third in the world in terms of money its citizens send home to family members behind India and China. More than 10 percent of the country's population of 90-plus million lives and works abroad, in most cases things work out all right. But there are illegal recruitment agencies who go to poor areas of the Philippines promising good jobs.
When the workers arrive, the trafficking ring takes their passports and threatens to harm them or their families if they try to leave.
Jose Salazar runs a government taskforce designed to tackle the problem of human trafficking.
JOSE VICENTE SALAZAR, PHILIPPINES UNDERSECRETARY OF JUSTICE: We want to at least cut down on the human trafficking incidents, at least 50 percent by 2016. I think that it's going to be a major victory for all of us.
STOUT (voice-over): The interagency group he leads gave CNN exclusive access as they raided a suspected recruitment ring in February of 2012. They found dozens of women moments before they were to be smuggled out of the country to the Middle East. Just days earlier, dozens of other women and girls have returned from the region. They share tales of extreme suffering, violence and starvation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's no freedom. They locked me in the house. If they go, they close all the windows because they don't want to (inaudible) with others. They leave me without food.
STOUT (voice-over): For Salazar and everyone working to stop human trafficking, the first step is simple.
SALAZAR: When people are aware that there is such a thing as human trafficking then half of the problem is (inaudible) solved. When people are aware that these perpetrators are actually roaming the communities, through media, then you've solved another portion of the problem.
STOUT (voice-over): A problem that, unfortunately, will take a while to resolve.
Kristie Lu Stout, CNN, Hong Kong.
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SWEENEY: And the problem of human trafficking in the Philippines is investigated in a new CNN documentary The Fighters. It looks at how migrant workers and their families become unwitting victims of slave labor and also champions some very courageous people who are fighting to stop it. This CNN Freedom Project documentary will be presented in two parts over two consecutive nights.
Viewers can see part one on Friday at 9:00 pm London time. Part two airs on Saturday at the same time.
In the meantime, if you'd like to learn more head to CNN.com/thefighters.
The latest world news headlines just ahead.
Plus, Angelina Jolie talks about having a preemptive mastectomy. We speak to a woman who has cone through the same procedure.
Harry is pitching in stateside, literally. The prince takes to the field in Harlem in aid of charity. And we'll have a live report.
Plus, Manchester City are currently taking on Reading without Mancini. Find out how they do without their former manager later in the program.
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SWEENEY: This is CONNECT THE WORLD. The top stories this hour. The US State Department still isn't commenting on Russia's detention of a US diplomat in Moscow. The Russians say his name is Ryan Fogle and that they caught him trying to recruit Russians to work for the CIA. He's been handed back to the US embassy, but Moscow wants him expelled.
US attorney general Eric Holder said he was not involved with the decision to subpoena the phone records of the Associated Press as part of a criminal investigation into a leak of classified material. The news agency sent a scathing letter of objection to him yesterday, complaining the action was an unprecedented intrusion into the organization's news gathering.
Several boats carrying around 150 Rohingya Muslims are believed to have capsized off the western coast of Myanmar. That's according to the United Nations. The incident took place as residents evacuated the area ahead of an approaching cyclone.
European officials are still investigating several big oil companies, including Shell, BP, and Norway's Statoil over alleged attempts to manipulate the price of oil for more than a decade. Regulators are looking closely at financial benchmarks since the libor scandal when banks tried to rig interest rates.
And it just keeps getting better for US stock markets. The NASDAQ has closed at its highest level since 2000, and it was yet another record day for both the Dow and the S&P.
US actor Brad Pitt says his fiancee's decision to have major preemptive surgery is heroic. Angelina Jolie says she had a double mastectomy because there was a good chance she might develop breast cancer.
In a statement to the UK "Evening Standard" newspaper, Pitt said "I find Angie's choice as well as so many others like her absolutely heroic. All I want is for her to have a long and healthy life with myself and our children. This is a happy day for our family."
Nischelle Turner now has more on Jolie's story.
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NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Actress, activist, advocate, mother. Angelina Jolie is many things, and Tuesday, the actress added proactive survivor to the list.
In an op-ed piece for the "New York Times," the actress talked about her decision to undergo a preventative double mastectomy after testing positive for a gene that increases a woman's risk of certain cancers.
Jolie writes, quote, "My doctors estimated that I had an 87 percent risk of breast cancer, and a 50 percent risk of ovarian cancer."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You guys look awesome tonight, man!
TURNER: The Oscar winner began her preventative process in February at the Pink Lotus Breast Center in Beverly Hills, where singer Sheryl Crow was treated for her breast cancer in 2006. Now, nine weeks later, she says the final surgery has been completed and her breasts have been reconstructed with implants.
Cancer is something Jolie knows only too well. Her mother, Marcheline Bertrand, died six years ago after a decade-long battle with ovarian cancer. She was 56. Jolie talked about Bertrand in a 2011 "60 Minutes" interview.
ANGELINA JOLIE, ACTRESS: She didn't have much of her own career, her own life, her own experiences, her own -- everything was for her children. I will never be as good a mother as she was. I will try my best.
TURNER: At 37, Jolie doesn't want the same legacy for her six children, writing, quote, "I can tell my children that they don't need to fear they will lose me to breast cancer."
Jolie says she wrote the "New York Times" op-ed to tell other women that the decision to have a mastectomy was not easy, "but it is one I am very happy that I made," adding she chose not to keep her story private to let other women know they have options if they, too, are high-risk. It's a bold and public step from a woman who is well-known for her privacy.
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SWEENEY: Nischelle Turner reporting there. Well, Angelina Jolie isn't the only high-profile celebrity to have a preventative mastectomy. TV star Sharon Osbourne, US actress Christina Applegate, and British singer Michelle Heaton have all had the same surgery.
In fact, overall, the number of women opting for this surgery has increased significantly over the last decade as genetic testing and reconstructive surgery options improve.
I'm joined now by Caroline Presho, who says she's very pleased she decided to have the preemptive surgery. I'll be speaking to her in just a moment, but first, I want to bring you some more details about the BRCA1 gene.
The name comes from the BR of "breast" and the CA of "cancer." The National Cancer Institute says women with mutations in the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes are at much greater risk for developing breast, ovarian, and other cancers. Keep in mind, men with these mutations are also at increased risk.
A blood test using DNA analysis can pinpoint mutations. Certain populations have a higher frequency of these mutations, including the Ashkenazi Jewish population and people from Norway, the Netherlands, and Iceland.
Caroline, thanks very much for joining us. What was your experience? When and why did you decide to do the surgery?
CAROLINE PRESHO, HAD PREEMPTIVE MASTECTOMY IN 2009: I found out that I was a BRCA positive carrier in 2007, at which point I was 33 years old, and there was no screening available for me. So, I waited until I was 35 and there was screening, had a mammogram and an MRI where they found shadows on my breasts, and said "I need you to come back for an ultrasound."
And in the time between having the MRI and the ultrasound, I realized I couldn't live with this fear every year, because the screening -- you're screened every year, and I just thought, I can't live like this with this fear. So, I decided straightaway to have surgery.
SWEENEY: And in terms of the recovery period and the mental and emotional recovery period, how was that for you?
PRESHO: Physical recovery is actually quite easy. I had immediate reconstruction with implants, which was an easy recovery, it wasn't hugely painful, I took it easy for three, four weeks, didn't drive for six weeks, and it was good.
I think the mental recovery is a lot longer, because people say the right things to you, but they don't know what's going on in your head, and when you're told that you're at risk of an illness, but you haven't got the illness, it messes with your head.
SWEENEY: Well, that leads me onto the next question about support groups. There are plenty of support groups for cancer, but if you've opted to take a preemptive action --
PRESHO: Yes.
SWEENEY: -- such as this, then you haven't had the cancer, as far as you can tell.
PRESHO: That's true. Yes, we don't -- I feel personally, I don't fit in with a cancer charity. I don't want to take up their resources. For me, their resources are for the people with cancer who are suffering, who are ill.
So, I've gone on to take over a support group specifically for people with a BRCA mutation or BRCA relatives or people with high risk or BRCA umbrella. And we're there. We're an online support forum.
SWEENEY: Right. What do you think Angelina has done for this in going public about it?
PRESHO: It's fantastic for us as a community. It's amazing, having people like Sharon Osbourne and Angelina Jolie coming out and saying, "I've had this surgery." She's a high-profile celebrity, she doesn't need to say these things, she can keep her life private, but coming out and saying, "I've done this" and explaining what --
SWEENEY: And she said she didn't feel any less of a woman in terms of her attractiveness.
PRESHO: Yes.
SWEENEY: Does that apply to you as well?
PRESHO: Absolutely, I don't feel any -- if anything, I feel more confident now than I did before. So, I feel like I've made the decision and I feel very happy with it.
SWEENEY: And let me ask you about screening. Is it just generally available for people to have -- the genetic test, first of all?
PRESHO: Yes. In the UK, it is free on the national health service. I believe in other countries you have to pay for it or your insurance will cover it. But yes, all my surgery and screening was free.
SWEENEY: That's fantastic. Let me ask you, what advice would you give to people who first of all may not even be aware they carry this faulty gene, but if they do discover it and decide to go ahead with the preemptive surgery, do you have any pieces of counsel for them?
PRESHO: Definitely look into your family, look into your family history, ask who's had what kind of cancers in your family. Go and discuss it with your GP. Ask them whether you're a candidate for genetic testing.
And then definitely get in touch with an online or phone support group and speak to other people in the same situation. Because they know what's going on and how you feel rather than other people, friends, who may not understand.
SWEENEY: Yes. Sometimes I think the friends step in, they don't necessarily help the situation --
PRESHO: Yes, exactly.
SWEENEY: -- which is something you were alluding to. Let me ask you now, do you still have to go for any kinds of -- not screening, but checkups for --
PRESHO: I do. I go for --
SWEENEY: -- cancer?
PRESHO: -- ovarian screening. I have a quarterly blood test.
SWEENEY: Yes, because they're linked.
PRESHO: Yes. And an annual ultrasound.
SWEENEY: But otherwise, you're --
PRESHO: I go once a year for -- just to check on breast surgery and just to make sure it's all as it should be.
SWEENEY: But you're -- you're glad you did it?
PRESHO: I have no regrets at all. Very, very happy.
SWEENEY: All right. And you certainly look a picture of happiness and health.
PRESHO: Thank you.
SWEENEY: Thank you very much, Caroline Presho.
And live from London, you are watching CONNECT THE WORLD. Now, she credits parenting as some of the best training for her role as CEO. So, up next, the woman at the helm of Fortune 500 company DuPont.
And after that, another top European football club is looking for a new manager as Manchester City shows the door to Mancini.
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SWEENEY: She is one of only a few women to run a Fortune 500 company, and she's the only woman to head the global giant DuPont in its 200-year history. Ellen Kullman took the reins of the company in 2009, and the mother of three tells Poppy Harlow that parenting is good training to become CEO.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, let me introduce Ellen, our fearless leader.
POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Durham, North Carolina, employees at chemical company DuPont settle in for a speech from their CEO, visiting from company headquarters in Delaware.
ELLEN KULLMAN, CEO AND CHAIRWOMAN, DUPONT: It is a pleasure to be here. I want to start our conversation the way I start all our conversations, and that's with our core values.
HARLOW: A standout as the first woman to run this more than 200-year- old company, she is Ellen Kullman, CEO of DuPont since 2009. Born and raised in Wilmington, Delaware, the same town that brought up the very company she runs today, Kullman has always been a leader.
KULLMAN: We need a vibrant, engaged organization that's excited to come to work every day to work on the science and the hard problems. And to me, that means inclusion, and to me, that means diversity, no matter how you define it.
HARLOW: From captain of her high school basketball team to starting her career at General Electric, she moved to DuPont in 1988. Despite years of experience, she says nothing has prepared her for the job of CEO quite like this.
HARLOW (on camera): You have three children.
KULLMAN: I do.
HARLOW: And you say parenting is good training to become CEO.
KULLMAN: Oh, boy.
HARLOW: Why is that?
KULLMAN: It's funny, because just because you say so doesn't mean they're going to do it, and kids make that pretty clear early. And so, you have to figure out what drives them, what makes them tick, what engages them and helps them learn along the way around what they need to learn to be successful in life. And it taught me a lot about that patient side of it, that listening side of it.
HARLOW (voice-over): With mentors that have guided Kullman, she wants to pay it forward, giving speeches like this one to students at Duke University.
KULLMAN: I've had mentors over the years. It was people who would hold the mirror up to say, "What do you stand for?" And patience is something that came to me maybe a little later in my career than earlier in my career.
You have to have a healthy impatience with the status quo. But you have to have the patience to listen and understand what people are telling you, because sometimes what you don't want to hear is exactly what you need to hear.
HARLOW: It was another lesson she learned from her father, who ran a landscaping business that has stayed with her her whole career.
KULLMAN: As a kid, my dad had to go water the plants. I'd sprinkle a couple of times, leave.
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KULLMAN: He'd come get me, put me back, and say, "No. You really have to do it right. And if you do it well and you do it in the right way, then you've got a beautiful garden." So, when you think about organizations, when you think about people, it's the same way. You just can't drop in and drop something on them and leave. You've got to invest.
HARLOW: Did you have an aha moment? "I, Ellen Kullman, have made it professionally."
KULLMAN: When people you don't even know in your company come up to you and give you a hug. It just says, OK, this is what it's about. It does make a difference.
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KULLMAN: Thank you. Thank you all.
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SWEENEY: And for more on our Leading Women series, log onto cnn.com/leadingwomen, where you can also read about what some of the world's Leading Ladies have to say about their mothers and their inspirational life lessons.
Coming up after this short break, we report on Manchester City's decision to part company with Roberto Mancini and look at the owner's grand strategy to transfer the club into a global sports super brand.
And what Prince Harry is up to in the Big Apple. We are live in New York with the latest from our royal correspondent. Back in 90 seconds.
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SWEENEY: One of the world's richest football clubs is looking for a new manager. Manchester City has officially given Roberto Mancini the push, saying the club has failed to achieve any of its basic targets this year. The club's Abu Dhabi owner lost patience. CNN's John Defterios reports that the shakeup is all part of the billionaire owner's grand plan.
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JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNN EMERGING MARKETS EDITOR (voice-over): From hero to zero in just one season. Today, Roberto Mancini finds himself out of work, shown the door because, according to those familiar with the thinking of the UAE owner and chairman of the club, Mancini lost the players and that the club was not where it needed to be.
Here in Abu Dhabi, reaction to the Italian's summary dismissal despite winning the league last year is mixed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He didn't do anything for the team.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The decision was wrong because Mancini is a good coach.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mancini was not bad. He achieved good results.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's the right decision, because he has no good results in the past.
DEFTERIOS: Since buying Man City back in 2008, the discrete billionaire Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, has poured over $1.5 billion into the club, transforming the stadium, revamping the playing staff, and even establishing a range of community development projects in Manchester.
It's all part of the grand strategy to transform Manchester City into a global sporting brand, and it is a strategy where failure is not part of the script.
DEFTERIOS (on camera): Mancini raised eyebrows last month when he suggested that Abu Dhabi may have to spend even more money to compete with cross-town rival, Manchester United, for marquee players. The source familiar with the thinking of the owner and chairman said, is it the players or the facility to bring the players to form? Adding that support and financing are still not a problem.
DEFTERIOS (voice-over): Abu Dhabi is currently in the midst of a massive five-year local and international investment span. Billions of dollars on revamping local infrastructure, and publicity-grabbing projects, including an F1 racing circuit, Ferrari World theme park.
Even new flights direct to Manchester, courtesy of its carrier, Etihad. Sitting on 9 percent of the world's proven oil reserves gives Abu Dhabi the means to back up its lofty ambitions.
STEVE MCKENLAY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, "SPORT 360": I think the sacking of Mancini is a very clear indicator that Sheikh Mansour wants Manchester City to be the best football club in the world, and to do that, they're going to have to win the Champions League.
DEFTERIOS: Abu Dhabi is not alone in the Gulf in investing in top- tier international football. Newly-crowned French champions Paris Saint- Germain are owned by the Qatar Investment Authority. Dubai's Emirates Airlines sponsors Arsenal Football Club and Formula 1. FC Barcelona is sponsored by the Qatar Foundation.
Both the UAE and Qatar are prolific investors around the world. But Abu Dhabi's foray into football has already proven it has both great highs and lows, as Mancini's firing seems to prove.
John Defterios, CNN, Abu Dhabi.
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SWEENEY: And as we speak, Manchester City are playing their first match since sacking Mancini. So, how is it going? Well, let's bring in Patrick Snell. He's at CNN Center. How is it going?
PATRICK SNELL, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Fionnuala. It just ended. I can tell you, City winning the game against already-relegated Reading. It ended just a few moments ago, and this was the first one in the post-Mancini era.
The City team was actually coached by Brian Kidd, who was formerly Mancini's assistant. He's staying on at the club. David Platt, by the way, has decided to move on, but Manchester City winning this one, no real surprise. Sergio Aguero, their Argentine star, putting them ahead, and then Edin Dzeko making it two-nil for a comfortable victory there, as expected, for Manchester City.
But really, the buildup to this game, Fionnuala, dominated by reaction from City fans, really. These are fans showing their support and surprise, and I totally concur with them.
To me, this is a surprising move, to get rid of Mancini. He just delivered the club last season their first top flight title in 44 years. The season before that, he won the English FA Cup. This season, he delivered a second-place finish, second only to Manchester United. I really do think it's a case of hasty, hasty, hasty decision, a lot of fans wanting him to stay on.
You can see the support there from that particular section of Manchester City fans. It's quite clear, Fionnuala, that he is paying the price for two poor seasons in the highly lucrative Champions League stages. Fionnuala?
SWEENEY: It could be much worse, though. Any team could be relegated from the Premier League, and speaking of clubs suffering the drop, who's the latest?
SNELL: Yes. Within the last few minutes as well, I can also tell you it's commiserations to Wigan Athletic. Now, you may recall that Wigan won the English FA Cup over the weekend, shocking Man City at Wembley Stadium in London, but talk about from going hero to zero.
City, well, they have their own problems with Mancini, but Wigan traveling to North London on Tuesday, and they really needed to win to have any chance of staying alive. They lost, handsomely beaten, 4-1 by Arsenal.
So, that means that they are now down. They are the first team ever to win the FA Cup and then be relegated from the top flight division. So, really disappoint -- huge disappointment there for Roberto Martinez and his squad.
On the other side of the coin, it's the win that Arsenal wanted because it keeps their hopes alive of a top-four finish in the Champions League football, but their fate will not be determined until the final weekend of the season, that's this coming weekend, Fionnuala.
So, commiserations, there, to Wigan Athletic. They're poised for the drop, they're down, they go down along with Reading and Queens Park Rangers. Fionnuala?
SWEENEY: And if we can go back to Manchester City, a surprise, obviously, as you say, with the dropping of Mancini. Who else is in the frame, now, to take over from him?
SNELL: Well, there's all sorts of names being bandied about, in particular, Manuel Pellegrini, he's the Chilean, he's the coach, currently, of Malaga in Spain's Primera Division. He's 59 years of age. He's being linked very strongly with that job.
But I have to say, a couple of days ago, he himself came out, perhaps out of respect for Mancini, saying, "Look, I haven't been approached, I haven't been talking to any other club, I am not going to Manchester City," that's what Pellegrini was saying some 48 hours ago.
Now, of course, things may well have changed. We'll be watching that one very closely. But there's all sorts of possible scenarios. There's going to be a lot of top flight coaches on the market. Still, huge question marks over the future of Jose Mourinho at Real Madrid, Carlo Ancelotti at Paris Saint-Germain.
And of course, Rafa Benitez, who we know will be leaving Chelsea, Fionnuala, so for now, at least, your guess is probably as good as mine. Back to you.
SWEENEY: And do you -- and is it possible to speculate as to whether, presumably in Abu Dhabi, there is a strategy for how they want to see this club going forward. We know they've had that strategy. Mancini enacted part of that. But going forward, are they prepared to put the money into the teams? What is it they're going to be looking for their new manager to be doing, do you think?
SNELL: Well, apparently, they tell us there is a strategy in place, but I think a lot of City fans are absolutely baffled, because they say this is a club that suffered for decades, that lived very much in the shadow of Manchester United, that went over four decades -- 44 years, Fionnuala -- without winning a top flight title. Mancini delivers that, and within 12 months, a year to the day, he is fired.
I suppose you could argue, yes, he needs to improve. The new coach will have to improve on the lucrative Champions League and take City into the latter stages of that tournament before, I would imagine, the club's owners would be happy, Fionnuala.
SWEENEY: All right. A very different night for two different managers in the city of Manchester last night. Thanks very much, indeed, there, for joining us, Patrick Snell.
Now, sticking with sports, and Britain's Prince Harry has tried his hand at baseball today, pitching and batting while at a community baseball event in Harlem, New York. It is all part of Harry's royal tour of America, which also saw him meet survivors of Super Storm Sandy in New Jersey earlier in the day.
But he seems to be enjoying himself. CNN's royal correspondent, Max Foster, has been following the prince. He joins us, now, live from New York. Where are things at right now, Max?
MAX FOSTER, CNN ROYAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, he's currently off at a fundraiser. A lot of this trip is about raising money for his charities, and there's a big glamorous fair in Manhattan right now, but earlier on, he was here at this baseball pitch, and everyone wondered how good he'd be.
In the end, he was pretty nifty at it, Fionnuala. It was pretty impressive stuff. We were expecting him to sort of drop the ball and all sorts of things, but he's been practicing.
And the idea here, really, is to highlight a charity that encourages kids from disadvantaged backgrounds to get into sports coaching as a way of giving them confidence to do well in other parts of life.
As you say, earlier, he was at the area affected by Super Storm Sandy, had a very good time there. Huge crowds, actually, and lots of flags there. And he talked about the American spirit in these few comments he gave the media earlier.
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DAVID CAMERON, PRIME MINISTER OF BRITAIN: And countries like Britain and America have to think about how we best respond, but we're catching up and we're ahead of the rest of Europe. We have extraordinary --
UNIDENTIFIED CORRESPONDENT: What are your thoughts on seeing the community here today. What do you think of everything?
PRINCE HARRY, BRITAIN: Oh, it's fantastic, the American spirit, and everyone getting together and making things right. It's fantastic, very good.
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FOSTER: There you have it. You also got a bit of bonus David Cameron, there, as well, Fionnuala, but that was because David Cameron was also in town, and they met up on this big, red bus to promote British industry.
And it's quite interesting, Fionnuala, because I think the Foreign Office have been struggling to get Cameron much publicity, but as soon as Harry's involved, all the cameras show up.
SWEENEY: Yes, and we helped out there, too. Thanks very much, indeed. Max Foster, there, in New York. I'm Fionnuala Sweeney, that was CONNECT THE WORLD. Thank you for watching.
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