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Investigation Into Bangladesh Factory Collapse; Nobel Peace Prize Winner Calls for Change in Bangladesh; Woman Fights for Justice After Acid Attack; Acid Attack Survivor Powerful Voice for Victims; Entertainment Preview From Cannes Film Festival; Parting Shots: Morgan Freeman Nods Off During Interview
Aired May 24, 2013 - 16:00 ET
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BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: Fighting back tears of grief.
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REBECCA RIGBY, LEE RIGBY'S WIFE: I want to say that I love Lee. I always will. And I'm proud to be his wife.
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ANDERSON: The wife of a slain soldier pays tribute.
Plain scary, an engine with no cover minutes before an emergency landing.
And...
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's the countdown to the Champion's League final. We're all so excited. And I'm going to show you my (inaudible).
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ANDERSON: German tele star Boris Becker on football fever.
ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.
ANDERSON: An adored son and brother, a dedicated husband and father, two days after his brutal slaying on a London street the family of a British soldier Lee Rigby have spoken of their devastating loss.
Matthew Chance was at the very difficult press conference and we'll hear more from him shortly.
First, though, I want to bring you some developments in the investigation today. CNN understands that one line of inquiry being examined is that suspect Michael Adebolajo, seen here, might have attempted, but failed to travel to Somalia last year.
Dramatic new video of the moment police arrived on the scene Wednesday has also emerged. It shows the two suspects running at officers who then opened fire.
Well, both men remain in stable condition under police guard in separate hospitals. Two women, arrested as part of the investigation, have now been released without charge.
Well, let's hear more about the victim in this case. Matthew Chance is standing by for us in Rochdale near Manchester. Drummer Lee Rigby's hometown is just near Manchester. What have the family been saying, Matthew?
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's obviously been a very difficult day, Becky, here in Middleton outside of Manchester, difficult day for the family, because it's the first time they've really faced the public or spoken publicly at least since the tragic killing of Lee Rigby, their son, of course husband to the wife -- we heard her briefly there, we'll hear her again in a minute -- and also from other family members as well.
Just a short distance from here, there was a brief remembrance service held at the local community center. That was attended by lots of neighbors. It's a very tight knit community. And, you know, the whole community is sharing in the family's grief. And then, afterwards, members of the family gave a very, very brief and very emotional press conference, where as I say they spoke about what it felt like to lose their son.
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CHANCE: This is the first time the family of Lee Rigby have spoken publicly about their tragedy. He was a soldier, but also a son, a brother and a father. His widow could barely speak with grief.
RIGBY: I love Lee. I always will. And I'm proud to be his wife. He was due to come up this weekend so we could continue our future together as a family.
He was a devoted father to our son, Jack. And we'll both miss him terribly.
CHANCE: His stepfather Ian Rigby read an emotional statement on behalf of a distraught family.
IAN RIGBY, LEE RIGBY'S STEPFATHER: His dream of growing up was always to join the army, which he succeeded in doing. He was dedicated and loved his job. Lee adored and cared a lot for all his family and he was very much a family man looking out for his wife, his young son Jack, and his younger sisters who in turn looked up to him.
CHANCE: Well, here in his hometown of Middleton near Manchester, the family house is under police guard and family members are asking not to be disturbed during this period of grief.
But you can see, neighbors are draping flags from windows out of respect for a local hero who was killed in such a brutal way.
And there's disbelief a killing that has shocked Britain has robbed them of a friend and neighbor.
ANDREW GRIMSHAW, NEIGHBOR: When I realized it was him, it was a total shocker. I felt devastated to think it was one of my neighbors.
CHANCE: What's been the reaction of the local community here?
GRIMSHAW: Shock, I think anger as well.
CHANCE: A machine gunner and ceremonial drummer with the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, Drummer Rigby served in Afghanistan in 2009 during one of the most dangerous periods there for British forces. In a statement, his commanding officer paid tribute, calling him experienced and talented. "He was a true warrior," he said. "And served with distinction"
It is a bitter thought that he should survive that war only to be slain in his own country.
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CHANCE: Yes, a bitter thought that's very much in the minds of all the people that knew Lee Rigby in this community of Middleton here outside Manchester in Northern England, Becky.
ANDERSON: Matthew, thank you for that.
Amid fears of rising tensions in the wake of the attack, Britain's religious leaders have called for unity. The archbishop of Cantebury, Reverend Justin Welby today met with Shakyh Ibrahim Mogra who as the assistant secretary general of the Muslim Council has condemned the killing.
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SHAYKH IBRAHIM MOGRA, ASST. SECRETARY-GENERAL MUSLIM COUNCIL: We try and do our best with our preaching from the mosques, the clear cut message of Islam that we must live peacefully in harmony with all our neighbors. Added to that, we try and encourage our youngsters that if you have any difficulties with our government or with the country or whatever is happening in the world, then we must use the democratic processes that are in place and are available to us.
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ANDERSON: All right, let's talk about that, then let's get more reaction on this. I'm joined now by Usama Hasan who is a senior researcher of the Quilliam Foundation, a former jihadist himself, went off to war at the age of 21 to fight in Afghanistan.
When you think back to where you were then, and you consider where these two attackers were in their own lives, your reaction to what you've seen and heard?
USAMA HASAN, SENIOR RESEARCHER, QUILLIAM FOUNDATION: Well, thoroughly shocking. The -- we went off to travel thousands of miles to take part in what was a legitimate war just, you know, a just war. Whereas this has been a cowardly attack on British soil and bringing the war back to Britain...
ANDERSON: Well, let me stop you there, Usama, for one second, because I know you've been on this show a lot, and you and I get on well. The -- one of the moments from the attacker in his videod sort of diatribe, talked about the British foreign policy and the fact that British soldiers were fighting in other lands.
So when you say it's different, it's not really different is it?
HASAN: No, the -- what these attackers have done and the 7/7 bombers is to bring the war back to Britain, to wage war in Britain effectively. There's absolutely no basis for that. And of course their opponents could also say, well we're taking part in this war. We can hit you, et cetera. And then there'd just be mass bloodshed on the streets.
And the far-right are itching to take on the Muslim extremists and vice versa. And you can argue that the far right would then have legitimate grievances about the behavior of Muslim extremists in this country.
So it's a completely ridiculous argument.
I welcome the (inaudible) Muslim leaders, but we have to move behind condemnation to actually dealing with these arguments in detail. And that has not been done in detail, addressing the fact that these young men are saying, well, there's a war going on overseas and therefore there's people dying over there, why can't we carrying out these attacks?
We have to get down to detail with people.
So, for example, he mentioned there are Muslims dying every day in Afghanistan. Well, all over the world, people die every day and are born every day. Life and death is part of life, of every day reality. This is an absolutely warped and twisted mentality and we really mustn't give them an inch by talking about foreign policy.
ANDERSON: Usama, I'm glad you brought up the idea that we need to think about the way that you talk about Islam and the way that the sort of narrative is out there. I talked to a number of people in the community last night. I was in Woolwich for about sort of 28 or 30 hours over the past couple of days. And I also talked to people from the Muslim Council of Britain. My sense was that this is a generational gap, that there are people from sort of reputable Muslim organizations who want to see a sort of communities coming together and then some youngsters who basically aren't listening to the older generation.
You know, forgive me, probably not even listening to you. How do you get to -- how do you get to those youth?
HASAN: Well, it's not going to be easy, as you said, but it needs some leadership and courageous younger people. I mean, there are plenty of activists in the generations between us, if you like, and they need to be empowered with the right argument to talk to these people directly.
A lot of that work is actually going on. And many people have actually been deradicalized, believe it or not, in this country. But whilst the preachers of hate continue to operate in this country -- that's the other problem, you see, we're having generational hate preachers in some of our mosques and university campuses. Smaller number, but their voices are amplified, and they have a huge effect.
And we're fighting a constant battle against those who are causing division by saying it's Muslims versus non-Muslims all around the world. This is a global war between Islam and the west, the war on terror is a war on Islam, et cetera, et. cetera.
And they're the -- they go on about the foreign policy, but forget that Muslims kill more Muslim than anybody else. Just look at Syria or Afghanistan or Iraq.
And we do need to actually address those issues in a very details way, as I said, and as many people as possible we need to be involved with that.
ANDERSON: And the battle, it seems, at this stage at least is on the streets of south London where certainly I grew up. I know you're from London as well, so these are our streets as much as anybody else's.
Usama, thank you for that. Usama Hasan, we are fighting a constant battle.
You're watching Connect the World live from London. Coming up later in the program, a powerful but hard to watch story of a young Indian woman's fight for justice after a horrific attack.
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SONALI MUKHERJEE, ACID ATTACK VICTIM (through translator): I participated for two reasons: I needed the money and I wanted the world to know what an acid attack victim has to go through in this country.
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ANDERSON: From victim to game show winner, the moving story of Sonali Mukherjee.
Also ahead, we turn our eyes to the sky above the UK as two planes are diverted offcourse for two very different reasons.
And, braving over the football world with not one, but two teams in Saturday's Champion's League final. How Germany got back on top. That and your other sports news all ahead. This is Connect the World.
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ANDERSON: You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson for you. Welcome back.
Now the UK saw two dramatic flight diversions on Friday. And one of them, a Pakistan airlines flight was traveling from Lahore in northwestern Pakistan. The plane almost reached its destination in Manchester in the UK when it circled back and flew several hundred kilometers south to London's Stansted. Well, two people have been arrested, but police say they're not treating this as a terrorist incident.
Nic Robertson is at Stansted Airport.
What do we know, Nic?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Becky, when that aircraft was redirected from Manchester Airport, it got a fighter escort to bring it in here to Stansted. Why Stansted? Stansted is the place that British authorities bring aircraft if there is the possibility of a terror incident or a hijacking, it's the airport that's used -- have been used for that in the past.
But the plane when it landed here was surrounded by armed police officers. They went on board. They arrested two men, both British nationals, one 30, one 41.
The police are saying so far they found nothing suspicious on the aircraft.
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SUPERINTENDENT DARRIN TOMKINS, ESSEX POLICE: The two men, age 30 and 41, and British nationals, were then removed from the aircraft and taken to waiting police vehicles. They've been taken to a police station where they will remain in custody and then interviewed by detectives.
The rest of the passengers have been allowed to disembark the plane under police escort. They've been placed on airport coaches and have been taken to the terminal building for debriefing.
The plane will remain at its current location and will be subjected to forensic examination by specialist officers.
At this point in time, no suspicious items have been recovered.
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ROBERTSON: This incident began when the two men who were arrested got into an altercation with an air stewardess on the flight and threatened to blow up the aircraft, Becky.
ANDERSON: Must have been a pretty scary situation for the passengers on board. Anybody talking about it at this stage?
ROBERTSON: Well, some of the relatives in Manchester have been in communication with their relatives who were on the plane, got off the plane here in Stansted. One man talked to his brother about what had happened, and it seemed almost as if his brother was unaware what was going on precisely until the plane landed here. This is what he said.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They said the police are coming inside the airplane, armed police, and that is it.
ROBERTSON: So armed police had entered the plane in Stansted?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, yeah. And that's it. And he just said wait for me, eventually they'll be here. He said he's fine, everyone is fine. There is no problem.
ROBERTSON: Did he mention whether there was any panic on the plane when they saw the fighter jets or heard there was a bomb threat?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They didn't know. No, they didn't know there were fighter jets. They didn't know. It is only, you know, people who were watching TV, they knew about it.
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ROBERTSON: So just to recap what happened here. The two men got into an altercation, threatened the air stewardess. She contacted the pilot. The pilot contacted air traffic control in Britain. That led to the aircraft being scrambled. Perhaps an abundance of caution given what's happened in Woolwich in the last few days. But so far we're being told not a terrorist incident so far, Becky.
ANDERSON: Thankfully. Nic, thank you.
Well, as we said earlier, there's not one but two major flight diversions early on Friday. The second was a British Airways plane heading to Oslo from London Heathrow was forced to make the emergency landing within minutes of taking off due to what the airline is calling a technical fault. Now onlookers from the ground could see smoke trailing behind the plane while passengers on board reported hearing a bang.
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JON CHAPLIN, PLANE PASSENGER: When there was a loud noise and when the orange of the flames were visible inside the cabin and the people on the right-hand side of the aircraft were shouting, you know, the engines on fire. Now, actually people were quite uncomfortable at that moment, but it only lasted for about 10 seconds. And I guess the systems they have in place to put out the fire with the inert gas or whatever it was, clocked in and the fire went out pretty quickly.
But for those 10 seconds, I think we all thought this is not looking good.
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ANDERSON: Well, passengers also saw what they believed to be an engine fly off from the left-hand side. Here's Richard Quest, my colleague, with more.
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RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Look at the two pictures. And I want to show you. This is the picture as shot from inside the plane on -- and that's the left side, that's the left engine, and this is the one that a viewer, that passengers say first of all they heard an explosion or they heard a bang, the cowling flew off, and the next thing you know that's what they saw. And this is the picture there.
But this is the picture that -- of the right engine. Now this picture was taken, of course, as you can see from the aircraft, that's on the right side of the plane. The importance of this picture is best seen when you look at the video, because the video and the pictures of the aircraft you can see there, you see the smoke coming out of that right engine.
What went on? We have smoke out of the right. We clearly have a right engine that is badly damaged with the cowling off. And we also have a left engine where the cowling has also been removed. And if reports are believed, this was the one that fell off first. A loose cowling, failure to properly put it on? How knows. The AAIB, the Air Accident Investigation Board, they are the ones that will solve the conundrum of the two engines on the flight to Oslo.
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ANDERSON: Richard Quest for you just earlier on this evening.
Well, live from London, this is Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson.
Coming up, Mark McKay is in the house.
MARK MCKAY, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: You better believe it, Becky. Hello to you. Happy, Friday. On the eve of the UEFA Champion's League final, there's a world of unknowns, but we do know that a German team will be on the brink of celebrating this time tomorrow night.
And another German export in London, this time it's Boris Becker, a whirlwind tour of the city with this tennis legend. He's (inaudible) for a reason you can imagine. Don't miss that after this.
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ANDERSON: Right. We are less than 24 hours away from the kickoff of the Champion's League final. If you love your football, you'll know that. If you don't, well you'll find out, because the next 24 hours is going to be all about soccer. It'll be Borussia Dortmund against Bayern Munich. And the -- well the game is at Wembley Stadium in the UK. Do you understand all of this? Well, Mark McKay is with us now to get his clued in.
Two German teams playing at Wembley for what's called the Champion's League final.
Just sort that out for us.
MCKAY: Well, it was a long and winding road to get here, Becky, but the two survivors representing one nation. And Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund.
Bayern Munich, this is a team that ran away with their own Bundesliga title, winning the championship in record fashion against a Borussia Dortmund team that has a lot to prove. They feel they can give their opponents, their brethren if you will a big fight. And really one of the biggest matches of the season on one of the biggest stages, the prize for the European champion.
It's an intriguing matchup because remember we thought maybe we would be counting down at Wembley to an all Spanish final, maybe another El Classico between Real Madrid and Barcelona, but the two German sides, Dortmund and Bayern Munich said, no, that's not going to happen. Instead, these two will be fighting it out at this very time.
ANDERSON: All right.
So, one of the biggest stars expected to play in this game is actually going to miss it. I'm not going to spoil the story. What's that all about?
MCKAY: Well, Borussia Dortmund needs all the guns they can put out to battle against Bayern Munich on Saturday night at Wembley. And one of their biggest, 20-year-old playmaker Mario Gotze will not be playing. He injured a hamstring muscle. So the 20-year-old will be on the bench, on the sideline, watching this one play out.
What makes this loss of this player that much more intriguing, Becky, is that number one, he's very talented, but he's leaving Dortmund at the end of the season to join, who else, but Bayern Munich on a $48 million transfer at the end of the season.
So if it wasn't enough intrigue already, Gotze, being out for Borussia Dortmund before he heads to Bayern, that's a little bit interesting intrigue there, don't you think?
ANDERSON: All right, put your money where your mouth is. Who did you pick?
MCKAY: Bayern Munich. They have impressed me throughout. The way they won the Bundesliga, the way they tore through Barcelona in the semifinals of this competition, I'm going to go 4-2 Bayern over Dortmund tomorrow night.
How about you, Becky.
ANDERSON: Not just a team, but a score as well. Big-time.
I'm going to hold you to that. I'm going to tweet that now. You tweet that now. Put @BeckyCNN on it. Let's see what our Twitter followers think of that. 4-2 in favor of Bayern. Those Dortmund fans are going to be pissed off with him.
Did I say that word? Oh my lord.
MCKAY: I appreciate that, Becky, yeah.
Hey, by the way, if you want to know everything there is to know before kickoff, CNN is the place to be. Right before the opening whistle sounds, Pedro Pinto, Amanda Davies live at Wembley ahead of the final. 6:30 tomorrow night in London, 7:30 in Berlin, 9:30 in Abu Dhabi. The way to Wembly. It ends tomorrow night. And CNN Football Club will be there for you.
Becky, have a good weekend.
ANDERSON: Excellent stuff. Thank you, sir.
Tennis ace Boris Becker has no doubts about who he is supporting. He took CNN on a trip around London for a look at where he shows his team love.
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BECKER: This is Boris Becker. Welcome to my office. It's the countdown to the Champion's League final. We're also excited. And I'm going to show you my London.
This is Mount Street.
How are you?
This is my favorite deli. I come here with the likes of Saul Campbell (ph) and (inaudible) and we talk over a cheese and ham sandwich which team has the better chance to win Bayern or Dortmund. But let's go in, I'm hungry.
Salmon?
Do you follow football?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do.
BECKER: Do you know the Champion's League final is on Saturday?
UNIDENIFIED FEMALE: Yeah, of course.
BECKER: Who are you supporting, Bayern or Dortmund?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bayern.
BECKER: Then we can take a picture.
Hello.
Nice and spicy.
Well, we are 45 Park Lane. And they serve the best Bloody Mary's in town, especially when Bayern Munich is playing. Usually I'm (inaudible) just to settle my nerves a little bit.
My best Bayern moment was the 2001 Champion's League final against Valencia in the Milano Stadium. My worst moment was probably two years earlier and we lost the final against Manchester United in Barcelona.
We're at Piccadilly Circus. And I'm a CNN reporter today. And I want to ask some of the fans around here who are they going to support?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Borussia Dortmund.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bayern.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bayern.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Borussia Dortmund.
BECKER: Borussia, OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because I love their stadium, their supporters, their colors.
BECKER: OK. That's fair enough.
A trip to London is not complete without a visit to Wimbledon. This place holds lots of memories for me. I won it a couple of times even as a teenager, but enough said about that. It's all about the Champion's League final. It's about Bayern Munich against Dortmund. Is my beloved Bayern Mnich able to hold the pressure as I did on the Centre Court? I hope so.
Let's go Bayern.
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ANDERSON: Boris Becker for you who will have all eyes trained on Wembley, all two of his and all of ours of course. It's a big match tomorrow.
The latest world news headlines just ahead. Plus a call for higher wages in Bangladesh's garment industry.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it costs you tiny little bit from 25 cents per hour to 50 cents per hour.
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ANDERSON: Nobel Peace Prize winner Muhammad Yunus says Western consumers have the power to create change. We're going to take an in-depth look at that and have a chat with him.
Then, ten years after an acid attack left her blind, a young Indian woman vows to bring her attackers to justice.
And I'm in Cannes for you -- well, I was, anyway -- with CNN Preview to give you a look at the frontrunner for this week's Palme d'Or.
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ANDERSON: A very warm welcome back. This is CNN and CONNECT THE WORLD. I'm Becky Anderson for you, 33 minutes past 9:00 out of London. The top stories this hour.
New developments in the Woolwich murder investigation in southeast London. CNN understands that one line of inquiry being examined is that the suspect, Michael Adebolajo might have attempted but failed to travel to Somalia last year.
Meanwhile the family of the victim, Lee Rigby, have spoken for the first time of their devastation. New video of the British soldier has emerged of him at a kabob shop near his army barracks just days before he was killed in a London street.
British police have arrested two British men who allegedly threatened to blow up a Pakistan Airlines flight en route to Manchester International Airport from Lahore. Pakistan's high commissioner says the passengers made the threat during an altercation with flight attendants. Fighter jets were scrambled, and the plan was diverted from Manchester to Stansted Airport, which is near London.
And an attack in Kabul has ended up in hours of fighting. A suicide bomber near the headquarters of Afghan International Organizations was followed by a gun battle and more explosions. Five attackers were killed, along with an Afghan police officer and a Nepalese guard. The Afghan Taliban is claiming responsibility for the attack.
And a Parisian court has decided they will not place the head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde, under formal investigation for her role in a payout while she was finance minister. Instead, she's been named as, and I quote, "assisted witness." Authorities are investigating allegations of wrongdoing by top government officials at the time.
Well, a government probe into last month's deadly factory collapse in Bangladesh has revealed widespread abuses, and the investigative panel says, and I quote, "blatant failure to adhere to building codes led to the death of over 1,000 people. Substandard building materials were partly to blame. The panel also found that heavy machinery was being used on upper levels of the factory.
Well, these factors in combination proved deadly. The panel says the factory owners are responsible. They could be charged with culpable homicide, a crime which carries, in Bangladesh at least, a maximum sentence of life in prison.
Well now, Nobel Peace Prize winner Muhammad Yunus says urgent action is needed to improve the lives of Bangladesh garment workers. He is calling for this: a minimum wage to double. Most workers currently have to survive on a paltry 25 cents an hour.
When I sat down with him, he said the key to saving places and lives in places like Bangladesh is by going straight to the consumer. Have a listen to his argument.
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ANDERSON: You've called on foreign firms operating in Bangladesh to jointly fix a minimum wage. Explain to me how that idea would work.
YUNUS: It work because all you need one buyer -- foreign buyer or two foreign buyers to say, in our factory, we don't want any slave labor. And we'll tell our consumers that it is a product people made happily, and you'll be happy they're happy. And that's it.
So, it's the consumer side, the business side saying we don't want sweatshops, we don't want slave labor. We want to get out of it. And it costs you a tiny little bit, from 25 cents per hour to 50 cents per hour. That's all we're talking. An ultimate price difference that you'll make in terms of just a tiny little increase.
ANDERSON: You're talking about 50 cents an hour --
YUNUS: Hour.
ANDERSON: -- which would be doubling the wage of many people in the garment industry to what would still be a pittance --
YUNUS: A pittance, yes.
ANDERSON: -- compared to Western wages. My worry, Muhammad, would -- is that that would just drive people into an industry where they were still getting underpaid and that were still such a difficult industry to work in so far as conditions are concerned. Is that really a solution?
YUNUS: It's not a solution. I have two proposals. One is the minimum wage, so they'd have at least -- they know the take-home pay, they can take care of the rent, they can bring home food, and they can still send some money home so that they can take care of the family back home.
And then I'm suggesting I'll issue a tag, I'll create a social business company, and against the tag will state that these are done by happy people where we have insurance, we have health care, we have the safety of the building, we have the safety of the people, and education for their children, daycare center for their babies, and so on so forth, because we have to take care because many of them are mothers.
ANDERSON: Who pays for all of that?
YUNUS: This tag will mean that whatever price you pay for the product itself in Bangladesh, if you are paying for $5 a piece, you'll pay 10 percent more, 50 cents more. Ultimately, we're -- this product will probably sell at $35. In addition to $35, you add 50 cents. That 50 cents will go into this tag.
ANDERSON: Muhammad, you're talking about a workers' trust, here. You're talking about, effectively, the foreign firms who may be working under shroud of guilt at present at what they now find out is happening in Bangladesh.
You're asking them to pay for better working conditions in Bangladesh. Are you not absolving responsibility of the Bangladeshi companies themselves and the government here?
YUNUS: I didn't bring the companies, I didn't bring the government of Bangladesh, I brought the consumers of the product. I'm saying that this you are producing -- you are enjoying your product which are made by happy people, not slave labors.
ANDERSON: So, what you're saying is, it is to the demand side --
YUNUS: That's right.
ANDERSON: -- that you look for a solution rather than to the supply side. I ask you again --
YUNUS: I'm not -- yes?
ANDERSON: -- are you not absolving responsibility of the Bangladeshi companies?
YUNUS: I'm not getting involved in between things, because there's a lot of controversy in that, who makes profit, who does what. I said do everything that you are doing. I'm appealing to the consumers. That's why I'm giving the tag. It's like what you do in the fair trade bank, is you endorsed it and that stands guaranteed for everything.
I can get everybody involved. Industry should pay some, producers in Bangladesh should pay some, Bangladeshi government should pay some, whatever you want to add. But that becomes such a controversial thing that you never end that figure.
But this is a doable thing. And we test it in the market. Same product, one with tag and one without tag. $35 versus $35.50. Take your pick, it's an option for you.
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ANDERSON: Muhammad Yunus talking to me there on what he, at least, believes is a solution.
You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD. Coming up: disfigured in an acid attack ten years ago, we're going to bring you this brave lady's fight for justice.
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ANDERSON: Our next story is both difficult to watch, but also at the same time, it's inspiring, believe me. Ten years after an acid attack left her blind, a young Indian woman is vowing to bring her attackers to justice.
My colleague, Sumnima Udas, has what I think many of you will agree with me is a heart-wrenching story. A warning: the reporter has got images of a victim of acid burns, images that may be disturbing to some of you.
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SUMNIMA UDAS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is what Sonali Mukherjee used to look like. President of the students' union in college, captain of the national cadet corps, an honor student set to pursue a PhD in sociology.
But her life changed in an instant ten years ago when three men started harassing her. When she refused their advances, they threw a jug of acid on her.
SONALI MUKHERJEE, ACID ATTACK SURVIVOR (through translator): All I could feel was a burning sensation, as if someone had thrown me into a fire. I was in excruciating pain for the first three to four months.
UDAS: In a fraction of a second, Mukherjee had lost her ability to see, hear, eat, walk, and talk.
SANJEEV BAGAI, DOCTOR AND CEO, BLK HOSPITAL: She had no normal skin left on her face. Her face was almost 95, 98 percent burnt and scarred. She had no ears. She had no eyes, no eyelids, no scalp at all.
Really, the challenge was to give her kind of a normal face, somewhere close to what a normal human being would look like.
UDAS: Now, this 27-year-old is in the middle of a long fight, a painful one that no one should have to endure. She has just undergone her 27th reconstructive surgery. For years, it was a lonely battle for survival.
CHANDI DAS MUKHERJEE, FATHER OF ACID ATTACK SURVIVOR (through translator): Being the head of the family, I couldn't afford to break down. My father passed away in shock. My wife slipped into depression.
UDAS: But Sonali Mukherjee was not one to give up or remain silent. She participated in the country's most popular game show last year, the Indian edition of "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?"
"I've grown up watching your films, and now I can't see you, but I can feel you," she told the host, who's also India's biggest superstar, Amitabh Bachchan. Mukherjee won the $40,000 jackpot.
S. MUKHERJEE (through translator): I participated for two reasons: I needed the money, and I wanted the world to know what an acid attack victim had to go through in this country.
UDAS: The men who scarred her for life, though, were freed after just two years in jail. Mukherjee has appealed the court's decision. Years on, she has yet to get a date in court.
S. MUKHERJEE (through translator): My father spent every single penny. He sold our land, gold, everything to pay for legal fees and my treatment, hoping I would get justice. But in the end, we lost everything while the criminals are out there.
UDAS: This year, India passed a law that punishes perpetrators of acid attacks with ten years to life in prison, along with a fine. It's unlikely to have an impact on Mukherjee's case, but she is resolute. All she wants is justice, she says, and she'll fight for that until her last breath.
Sumnima Udas, CNN, New Delhi.
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ANDERSON: Well, acid violence isn't just a problem in India. I'm sure you know that. My colleague, Atika Shubert, spoke to a victim from Uganda who told her it needs to be given the same global attention as terrorism.
Hanifa Nakiryowa was attacked by a young man who she says was paid by her husband. She now is a spokeswoman for acid attack survivors and has a powerful message for all victims. She began by talking about the night that she was attacked.
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HAFINA NAKIRYOWA, ACID ATTACK SURVIVOR: The young man came walking towards me. I received him, I greeted him. He came closer, and opened a small store that is just neighboring his apartment where he was then.
This young boy bent down, and within seconds, I heard the sound of plastic bags. As I tried to turn my face like this, he was throwing something at my face. At first it was cold, but within a few seconds, I felt burning all over my face.
I screamed out, I called out his name several times, and there was no response until my last question, I remember asking, "Faisal, is this the reason why you called me here?"
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: And what happened after the attack?
NAKIRYOWA: After the attack, one of my relatives reported the case to police, because I could not do it myself. He was summoned, taken to police. And after two days, he was released.
SHUBERT: This is not just happening in your country. It's happened in many places around the world, but many of the victims are women. It's a worldwide phenomenon. How do you fight it internationally?
NAKIRYOWA: I realize that there is international concern in as far as the issue of gender-based violence is concerned. Specifically, acid attack is a specialized form of domestic violence, specifically on women.
If the international human right agencies can come in to enact laws that can restrict the supply, the -- and use of such of such dangerous substances, because of course we appreciate the fact that this similar dangerous substances on human life are useful in other ways. But if there are restrictions, guidelines, and laws put in place to say that this can't be done.
Because now, acid violence is becoming an intentional phenomenon, as you noted. It's not only in Uganda, it's not only me. Today, it's me the minority that's maybe to be a minister or a president. It is almost close to terrorism. If they are giving attention to terrorists, if they are giving attention to terrorism, they should give equal attention to acid violence attacks.
SHUBERT: Yes. What -- what message do you have for both women who have suffered these sort of acid attacks, but also for a woman that might be worried about threats, domestic violence? What kind of a message do you have for them?
NAKIRYOWA: Basically, my message is to the victims of such kind of violence. It is not about the scars on the face. The real person in us still lies behind these scars. The real person in us is not touched at all. It is just the scar on the skin, but the person is not bent.
They need to discover the applications. They need to pick up the pieces and keep moving forward, because many perpetrators do this to us women to intimidate us. When someone sees the potential in you, they try to step on that.
The only way to fight is by keeping strong and positive. That way, you are fighting the perpetrator back.
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ANDERSON: A powerful segment. Just about wrapping up this show for you this Friday. Stay tuned, though, do stay with us. Coming up right after this short break, CNN Preview brings you the latest from the world of entertainment. That coming up in 90 seconds.
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ANDERSON: Welcome to CNN Preview from the Cannes Film Festival. Now, after a frenzy of glamour, amazing auteurs, and cinematic celebrities, the world's biggest movie event draws to its climax on Sunday. Nearly 1,000 movies have been screened, bought, and sold, but only one can take away this: the coveted Palme d'Or.
ANDERSON (voice-over): Here's a glimpse of some of the films under consideration by Steven Spielberg and his jury of fellow filmmakers. Lavish and daring, Italian director Paolo Sorrentino's "The Great Beauty" is a tale of life, love, regret, and Rome.
The central performance by Toni Servillo as a successful man disgusted by what surrounds him has been praised by the critics.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The most important thing I discovered a few days after turning 65 is that I can't waste any more time doing things I don't want to do.
JOHN GOODMAN AS ROLAND TURNER, "INSIDE LLEWYN DAVIS": What did you say you played?
OSCAR ISAAC AS LLEWYN DAVIS, "INSIDE LLEWYN DAVIS": Folk songs.
GOODMAN AS TURNER: Folk songs. I thought you said you were a musician.
ANDERSON: Received enthusiastically by the Cannes masses is the Coen brothers' folk music drama "Inside Llewyn Davis." Oscar Isaac plays a dysfunctional but talented singer in 1960s New York.
There's been much praise for the dazzling, diamond-encrusted "Behind the Candelabra," directed by Steven Soderbergh. Starring Michael Douglas and Matt Damon, the film is a fascinating insight into the secret love life of American entertainer Liberace.
MICHAEL DOUGLAS AS LIBERACE, "INSIDE THE CANDELABRA": I want you to make Scotch look like piss.
ANDERSON: The jury will decide this weekend.
ANDERSON (on camera): We'll move from movies to music, now, as Neil Curry has news of two famous showman returning for the road.
NEIL CURRY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Few artists can claim to have had eight singles in the Top 40 in one week, but at 20 hits in five years, Adam Ant dominated the early 80s pop market.
Now, the dandy highwayman is back with his first album in 17 years, and he's about to saddle up for a 40-date tour across the US and Canada.
ADAM ANT, SINGER: You never stop learning. Every show to me is like a unique experience and every show is like running a marathon. So at the end of it, I feel like someone that's just run a marathon. Every -- physically, I'm exhausted.
There's -- you have this wonderful sensation of everything's totally live, everything's on edge. It's been like when I've done a few plays and I found the same experience. You really have to prove it and pull it out of the bag every night. So, there's that challenge.
CURRY: With 130 million albums shifted, Genesis remain one of the most successful bands in music history. Guitarist Steve Hackett is on a world tour, revisiting music from the band's classic era. So, following last year's inaugural Progressive Rock Awards, is the 23-minute track making a comeback?
STEVE HACKETT, GUITARIST: Well, the fact that it's selling out everywhere, that's great. It's got something to do with Genesis, it's got something to do with the zeitgeist at the moment. Things have reached a certain time where detailed, complex, undanceable music in the main seems to be fashionable again.
CURRY: The tour hits Japan next month, and after dates in Europe, heads to North America into the autumn. But don't hold your breath for a Genesis reunion.
HACKETT: I got to the point where I was tired of waiting for everybody, so -- and maybe they were never, ever going to see it my way anyway. So, I've had to become -- my own fuhrer in the museum of my own making.
ANDERSON: That almost it from Cannes. But we'll leave the final word on the world's most important film festival to one of cinema's most influential figures: producer Harvey Weinstein.
HARVEY WEINSTEIN, PRODUCER: Good movies work.
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WEINSTEIN: Bad movies get booed off the stage. You have a bad movie, and they accept it into Cannes, don't take it. Don't feel serendipitously lucky, "Oh, wow, they love my movie." Better make sure everybody likes your movie, because here, they're French and whatever. And they're not going to be quiet and reserved and English. They're just going to be French and boo you right off the stage.
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ANDERSON: Well, booing is one reaction you don't want from your audience. The other is for them to fall asleep, of course. And in tonight's Parting Shots, we've got a high-profile example of that happening.
During an interview promoting his new film, actor Morgan Freeman appeared to, well, quite frankly, nod off while Michael Caine was speaking. But to be fair, it probably wasn't that the 75-year-old was bored by his costar. He'd just had a very early start, at least we are told.
I'm Becky Anderson, that was CONNECT THE WORLD on this Friday evening. From the team here, it's a very good evening. Thanks for watching.
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