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[11:00:00] DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Those are the Dreamers for other people. I want the children that are growing up in the
United States to be Dreamers also. They are not dreaming right now.
We will immediately terminate President Obama's two illegal executive amnesties. It's a very, very tough subject. We're going to deal with DACA
with heart. We love the Dreamers. We love everybody.
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KATE BOLDUAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What does that love look like today though? Stand by to find out very, very soon. We'll keep an eye on the
Justice Department as we wait for the Attorney General Jeff Sessions to take to the lectern to make the announcement.
Let me bring and joining me now, CNN's Dana Bash and Chris Cillizza, they are here, CNN legal analyst Paul Callan and also joining us, President of
the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles Alfonso Aguilar, and California Secretary of State Alex Padilla, everyone, thank you so much for
being here. Dana, what do you make of this moment?
DANA BASH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it is obviously a one of the many consequential moments and consequential decisions that President Trump has
to make.
It was put on his lap as you just played there by his predecessor, by President Obama who only -- who said that he only acted by executive order,
by executive action because Congress couldn't do the job which was true. We covered it.
We saw it and Congress couldn't do pretty much anything regarding immigration and dealing with the undocumented immigrants in this country,
especially and even those who a majority -- vast majority of Democrats and Republicans to be put them together agree on.
And that is this segment -- this 800,000 or so segment of the population of people who came here through no fault of their own, through no choice of
their own were brought here illegally by their parents.
So this is going to -- I think you said it perfectly, Kate, this is going to spark a very big fight. One of many now, but a really deeply emotional
one within the Republican Party but we -- I'm already texting with conservatives who helped elect the president, and who are very much into
keeping his promises.
The base saying that this is war, that -- that they don't believe he is keeping his promise, even by not explicitly saying that he's ending the
program by putting the Congress. And then on flipside, this is going be a real test of whether Congress can finally get its act together, whether
there can be -- there can be...
BOLDUAN: Dana, I'm going to interrupt you for only one person right now. The Attorney General Jeff Sessions is about to make the announcement right
now to the Department of Justice.
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JEFF SESSIONS, ATTORNEY GENERAL, UNITED STATES: Good morning. I am here today to announce that the program known as DACA that was effectuated under
the Obama Administration is being rescinded.
The DACA program was implemented in 2012 and essentially provided a legal status for recipients for a renewable two-year term, work authorization and
other benefits, including participation in the social security program, to 800,000 mostly-adult illegal aliens.
This policy was implemented unilaterally to great controversy and legal concern after Congress rejected legislative proposals to extend similar
benefits on numerous occasions to this same group of illegal aliens.
In other words, the executive branch, through DACA, deliberately sought to achieve what the legislative branch specifically refused to authorize on
multiple occasions. Such an open-ended circumvention of immigration laws was an unconstitutional exercise of authority by the Executive Branch.
The effect of this unilateral executive amnesty, among other things, contributed to a surge of minors at the southern border that yielded
terrible humanitarian consequences. It also denied jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans by allowing those same illegal aliens to take those
jobs.
We inherited from our founders and have advanced an unsurpassed legal heritage, which is the foundation of our freedom, our safety, and our
prosperity. As the Attorney General, it is my duty to ensure that the laws of the United States are enforced and that the Constitutional order is
upheld.
No greater good can be done for the overall health and well-being of our Republic, than preserving and strengthening the impartial rule of law.
Societies where the rule of law is treasured are societies that tend to flourish and succeed.
Societies where the rule of law is subject to political whims and personal biases tend to become societies afflicted by corruption, poverty, and human
suffering.
[11:05:00] To have a lawful system of immigration that serves the national interest, we cannot admit everyone who would like to come here, it's just
that simple. That is an -- that would be an open border policy and the American people have rightly rejected that.
Therefore, the nation must set and enforce a limit on how many immigrants we admit each year and that means all cannot be accepted. This does not
mean they are bad people or that our nation disrespects or demeans them in any way. It means we are properly enforcing our laws as Congress has
passed them.
It is with these principles and duties in mind, and in light of imminent litigation, that we reviewed the Obama Administration's DACA policy.
Our collective wisdom is that the policy is vulnerable to the same legal and constitutional challenges that the courts recognized with respect to
the DAPA program, which was enjoined on a nationwide basis in a decision affirmed by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
This Fifth Circuit specifically concluded that DACA had not been implemented in a fashion that allowed sufficient discretion, and that DAPA
was foreclosed by Congress' careful plan, close quote.
In other words, the immigration law that Congress passed foreclosed this possibility of DACA. In other words, it was inconsistent with the
Constitution's separation of powers. That decision was affirmed by the Supreme Court by an equally divided basis.
If we were to keep the Obama Administration's executive amnesty policy, the likeliest outcome is that it would too be enjoined just as was DAPA. The
Department of Justice has advised the President and the Department of Homeland Security that the Department of Homeland Security should begin an
orderly, lawful wind down, including the cancellation of the memo that authorized this program.
Acting Secretary Duke has chosen, appropriately, to initiate a wind down process. This will enable the Department of Homeland Security to conduct
an orderly change and fulfill the desire of this administration to create a time period for Congress to act, should it so choose. We firmly believe
this is the responsible path
Simply put, if we are to further our goal of strengthening the constitutional order and the rule of law in America, the Department of
Justice cannot defend this overreach.
George Washington University Law School Professor Jonathan Turley in testimony before the House Judiciary Committee was clear about the enormous
constitutional infirmities raised by these actions.
He said, quote, in his testimony, in ordering this blanket exception, President Obama was nullifying part of a law that he simply disagreed with.
If a president can claim sweeping discretion to suspend key federal laws, the entire legislative process becomes little more than a pretense.
The circumvention of the legislative process not only undermines the authority of this branch -- he's referring to the legislative branch, but
destabilizes the tripartite system as a whole.
So this is not a little matter. Ending the previous Administration's disrespect for the legislative process is an important first step. All
immigration policies should serve the interests of the people of the United States, lawful immigrant and native born alike.
Congress should carefully and thoughtfully pursue the types of reforms that are right for the American people. Our nation is comprised of good and
decent people who want their government's leaders to fulfill their promises and advance an immigration policy that serves the national interest. We
are a people of compassion and we are a people of law. But there is nothing compassionate about the failure to enforce immigration laws.
Enforcing the law saves lives, protects communities and taxpayers, and prevents human suffering. Failure to enforce the laws in the past has put
our nation at risk of crime, violence and even terrorism. The compassionate thing is to end the lawlessness, enforce our laws.
[11:10:00] And if Congress chooses to make changes to those laws, to do so through the process set forth by our founders in a way that advances the
interest of the American people.
That is what the President has promised to do and has delivered to the American people. Under President Trump's leadership, this administration
has made great progress in the last few months toward establishing a lawful and constitutional immigration system. This makes us safer and more
secure.
It will further economically the lives of millions who are struggling. And it will enable our country to more effectively teach new immigrants about
our system of government and to assimilate them to the cultural understandings that support it.
The substantial progress in reducing illegal immigration at our border seen in recent months is almost entirely due to the leadership of President
Trump and his inspired immigration officers. But the problem is not yet solved. And without more action, we could see illegal -- illegality rise
again rather than be eliminated.
As a candidate, and now in office, President Trump has offered specific ideas and legislative solutions that will protect American workers,
increase wages and salaries, defend the national security, ensure the public safety, and increase the general well-being of the American people.
He has worked closely with many members of Congress, including in the introduction of the RAISE Act, which would produce enormous benefits for
our country. This is how our democratic process works.
There are many powerful interest groups in this country and every one of them has a constitutional right to advocate their views and represent
whomever they choose.
But the Department of Justice does not represent any narrow interest or any subset of the American people. We represent all of the American people and
protect the integrity of our Constitution. That is our charge.
We at Department of Justice are proud and honored to work to advance this vision for America and to do our best each day to ensure the safety and
security of the American people. Thank you very much.
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BOLDUAN: All right, we're just listening right there to Attorney General Jeff Sessions announcing that this administration is resending the DACA
program put in place by President Obama in 2012, protect some 800,000 immigrants, people who were brought here as children illegally by their
parents.
They had been protected from deportation. Attorney General Sessions, calling it a circumvention of immigration law, unconstitutional exercise
and overreach and the disrespect for the legislative process, and that is why they're calling for a lawful and orderly wind down.
A big announcement a lot analyze. With us the panel is back with me Jeffrey Toobin, CNN's senior legal analyst is joining us as well. Jeffrey,
what you make? What's your first reaction to the announcement from Attorney General Jeff Sessions?
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN'S SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: Well, 800,000 people are in a lot of trouble, 800,000 people who grew up in this country are very much at
risk of being deported because I don't think anyone believes that Congress is on the verge of passing a legislative DACA as it were.
So I think you know, just in simple human terms. These people are in jeopardy as for the legality of DACA whether the president -- President
Obama had the authority to do it, that's a very hotly contested issue.
Some conservative judges in Texas and in the Fifth Circuit had said that he did not have the authority, but many other people believe the president did
have the authority and the Supreme Court would ultimately uphold DACA.
But we'll never know now because DACA is off the books. So the question is where -- whether Congress will act at all. I certainly haven't seen any
indication that Congress is ready to act to defend these 800,000 people and I think they are in serious, serious trouble of being thrown out of this
country.
BOLDUAN: Chris Cillizza, what do make of the fact that this announcement - - the Attorney General spent a lot of time talking about the president is doing this. And what the president has done to put all the kind of the
wheels in motion here in place.
But the announcement is not coming from the president that DACA is being rescinded, even though it's the presidential Executive Order.
[11:15:00] The announcement came from the Attorney General.
CHRIS CILLIZZA, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: Yes with him, the president of the United States has had a testing relationship, Kate. Calling him
beleaguered, among other things, on little bit there, not just without a protocol, it's not as though the secretary of the interior was making an
announcement.
But for someone who likes big moments, you would think Donald Trump would be interested in this. He did of course as you noted at the top of the
show, preempt the Sessions announcement by saying, the ball was in your court. Essentially Congress is saying -- confirming what we reporting and
said, which is that we were going to get this delay.
I just -- listening to Jeff Sessions, I was thinking back to after the 2012 election when the Republican National Committee convened a group of very
smart consultants, campaign professionals from across the ideological spectrum to try and figure out what was wrong with the party, and how to
fix it.
It's called The Growth and Opportunity Project that put out a long document with recommendations on either the first or second page of it. They
basically say this cannot be a white only party. We have to figure a way to reach Hispanic voters.
No matter what you think of Sessions' reliance on. This is the rule of law has to hold or society crumbles, which socially ordinances making this
coupled with the things that Donald Trump has set on the campaign trail. If phenom with, Jeffrey.
I'm suspicious that Congress will get anything on this. If DACA went to being rolled back, makes that 2012 blueprint, that autopsy and feel like it
was written 150 years ago, party is just going to need drastically different direction led by Donald Trump.
BOLDUAN: But in this moment, Paul Callan, we were listening to your -- sitting here with me and orderly unlawful wind down. Is it clear what that
means?
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PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: No it's not, and I think this may not be as dire as people think because he's not saying we're eliminating DACA
today and we're going to start deporting the 800,000...
BOLDUAN: I also didn't hear six months for the time period.
CALLAN: I didn't hear a time period. And I think what that means is, if Congress can't put together a solution to this problem, the Trump
administration has the right to probably extend the wind down period, unless there's a court lawsuit that is filed which they lose. So I think
there are a lot of open questions with respect to this statement.
BOLDUAN: Alfonso Aguilar, let me bring you around this. What's your reaction to this announcement from the attorney general as he elated out?
What do you think of the case that he made?
ALFONSO AGUILAR, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I just disagree with the last statement. This pretty horrible announcement, it is insulting and it's
sad. The goal of the president of the United States was to deal with heart, as he said with DACA recipients.
Then I have to say, the president failed miserably. I understand if you have a problem with the constitutionality of how DACA was created. It
wasn't created in the constitutionally appropriate way.
I agree with that but if you really care about them, the president should make a commitment to support legislation to provide a permanent status to
DACA recipients and to ensure that Congress passes legislation.
You know, it's not enough to punch to Congress and say oh, Congress, it's your responsibility as a legislative responsibility. The president is part
of the Constitutional, political process and the only way we can get a Dream Act legislation is if the president gives the green light to that
legislation.
And works with Congress to ensure that this passes but right now, the only thing I'm hearing is amending the problem -- the program is the
responsibility of Congress and frankly to have Jeff Sessions, the attorney general, announced this.
It's really insulting to the Latino community. Jeff Sessions is seen as somebody who's taken very hard line positions on immigration, certainly not
a friend of the Hispanic community.
They could have -- they could have had somebody else make the announcement, the acting secretary of Homeland Security who's responsible for the DACA
program, not the attorney general...
BASH: Kate.
AGUILAR: Overall, this is just terrible.
BOLDUAN: Dana, go ahead.
BASH: Yes, that's exactly why Jeff Sessions was chosen to do this. He is the attorney general of the United States, but he also is somebody who
represents for the conservative base, somebody who is going to fight their fight.
And already, the conservative base is upset that -- that they're even considering putting this to Congress, that they're not just saying it's
over and done but then the president won't sign anything that would allow the 800,000 Dreamers to stay in this country.
So that was -- that was clearly done on purpose because, Chris Cillizza, the Republican Party that tried to get to the point where they are going to
reach out beyond kind of you know white Republicans. That went bye-bye in a large way in 2016 and they know that but I also do think just again,
Jeffrey started this on the human point of view.
BOLDUAN: Yes.
[11:20:00] BASH: You know, these -- he didn't get into a lot with the specifics on what this actually means for the lives of these people who are
living here as Americans, as very much integrated into American.
The fabric of American society and the initial sense is that, while ICE agents -- you know, the sort of border patrol agents aren't going to be
knocking doors -- knocking down doors and looking for them.
If they find them, then it's going to be a judgment call, as to whether or not they should be -- these people should be deported or not. And so that
is scary for people who voluntarily gave over their -- gave up their information.
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BOLDUAN: Hold on a second. I want to bring in one voice that hasn't has the chance to speak out. Secretary of State Alex Padilla, what do you want
-- how do you want to see Democrats respond to this announcement and what do you want to see Democrats say in Congress now?
ALEX PADILLA, SECRETARY OF STATE: Look, Kate, let me just echo, Alfonso, for a second here. Donald Trump promise to show of heart but we're seeing
today is doesn't him showing heart.
He shown callousness and cowardice by not having the guts to make the statement, make this announcement himself. They put Attorney General
Sessions on the podium to make the statement on his behalf.
Although the first two things that come to mind are number one, he is trying to shift responsibility here for his decision, his choice, his
action by punting it to Congress or attempting to punt it to Congress. It's not going to work.
If you look at the House with the Freedom Caucus has disproportionate control over the Republican conference and in the rules of the Senate
where, you know, a member can hold an item and it takes 60 votes to get anything passed.
I am normally an optimist but to write back that they have been -- they have lain out to say DACA is not a promising one. The other thing, you
know, out here on the United States.
I can't help but note the hypocrisy here, Attorney General Sessions quoted, the reference, the Obama signing of DACA initially as, quote, nullifying, a
law that he disagree with.
Just 10 days ago, Donald Trump pardoned Sheriff Arpaio in Arizona. Why? Because he was nullified in violation of law that he disagree with. So
what kind of message that this tends that in a span of 10 days, you pardon Sheriff Arpaio, who was found to violate the Civil Rights of Latinos and
then 10 days later, you take these important protections away from DACA participants. It's unconscionable.
BOLDUAN: We have a much to discuss, we have much more to learn in terms of the detailed, that's on one point and when you talk about not having faith
in what Congress can pull off.
There is one element of this that might be different here, that you do hear from Republican leaders, even though they had problem getting their
caucuses and conferences together so far recently.
You do hear them being supportive of some kind of solution -- permanent solution when it comes to protecting Dreamers and giving them some
permanent protections that would not be to the whim of a president, would not be an executive order.
But were getting some more detail right now if you all can you with me, on how this would work. More detail on what was just announced by the
Attorney General, Jeff Sessions.
Joining me now, CNN's Supreme Court reporter, Ariane de Vogue. She was at the State Department right there in the front when Jeff Sessions was
announcing it. What are you picking up right now, Ariane?
ARIANE DE VOGUE, CNN SUPREME COURT REPORTER: So, Kate, as you heard Attorney General Jeff Sessions said he's going to end this program within
the six month.
He called it an orderly phase out and it's going to come as a crushing blow to the 800,000 current participants. Some of the details, there are going
to be no new DACA applications accepted after today. Although the people who are in the process of renewal, they will be able to go forward for the
two years.
But those people who need to renew within the next six months, they have to do it within the next month. The status afterwards once it expires is that
they'll -- they are illegal, but maybe will be a lower priority. A little bit more on this program as you've talked about it.
The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival, it was under the Obama administration immediately controversy and legally, keep in mind Donald
Trump complains about it on the campaign trail, but Jeff Sessions when was a senator, he worried about it constitutionality.
And indeed, Taxes and several other states have come forward and they really put an ultimatum up to Jeff Sessions and that's why we're here
today. They said look, we've been this or were going to sue.
And Jeff Sessions, he looked at the similar Obama era policy that had been struck by the court saying that the president exceeded his authority and he
came to the conclusion that he couldn't defend it here.
So that's why were here today. They're all talking about the issue of going to Congress but the problem for the Dreamers, Kate, is that Congress
says that they haven't been on that and that's what's worrying the Dreamers. Kate.
BOLDUAN: Right, Ariane, putting in more details and important...
[11:25:00] BECKY ANDERSON, CNN ANCHOR: Right. You've been with our colleagues in the States. Hello and welcome, this is Connect the World.
I'm Becky Anderson in London for you. We've been watching dramatic changes in U.S. immigration policy as Attorney General Jeff Sessions announcing the
end of what is an amnesty program for young undocumented immigrants in the States.
Meaning hundreds of thousands now face uncertainty. More on that of course, on CNN as we learn more about what happens next. For now though,
let's get you up to speed on some of the other important stories around the world, the latest from the Korean Peninsula for your.
Now South Korean law maker tells CNN intelligence reports suggest the North is preparing another launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile.
When? Well, that's not known.
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ANDERSON: The North Korea's ambassador to the United Nations, said the reasons nuclear and missile tests were gift packages for the United States
and more up coming if the U.S. keep pressure on Pyongyang.
Meanwhile, South Korea's Navy conducted live fire drills of the east coast and said, if there is provocation on the North, it will be destroyed and
buried at sea.
As for the U.S., President Donald Trump has promised to sound more sophisticated military equipment to both Japan and South Korea. What's
going on, those two countries Japan and South Korea in the process of the North's military.
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ANDERSON: Joining me now with the very latest on the response from the region, Will Ripley in Tokyo and Paula Hancocks joining us from Seoul.
Paula, let's start with you.
The Russian president says that further sanctions against Pyongyang are useless. They rather eat grass, he said, than give up their nuclear
program. Given the rhetoric out there at president and the possibility of another launch, what is Seoul's opinions at this point?
PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's interesting, Becky, we've almost seen the President Moon Jae-in's opinion or least his public opinion
change over recent months. He came to power saying that dialogue was really the only way to deal with North Korea.
They have to get them back to the negotiating table and now, potentially with some pressure from Washington and also given to ICMB tests, nuclear
tests, we're seeing President Moon Jae-in be far stronger. And he is now talking about the fact that there needs to be pressure.
There needs to be more sanctions to try and drive the North Koreans back to the negotiating table. And an interview just today with the Russian news
agency, TASS, President Moon said he would be open to any kind of talk with North Korea but right now, is not the time to do that.
But it is interesting, he's about to head to (Inaudible), he's about to head about that important meeting where he will be talking with the Russian
leader who doesn't want talks. He does not think sanctions will work.
China and Russia club in together to say that the only way to get North Korea to come back and into the fold of the international community is to
talk to them, and so to be interesting to hear that meeting because that's effectively what President Moon Jae-in believes but not necessarily what he
is saying publicly right now. Becky.
ANDERSON: And Will, you are in a unique position to provide some analysis on what is this volatile situation. Given the week, you have spent going
in and out of Pyongyang over the past year and base as you are out there in Tokyo. So what is you're take on what happens next and from Japan's
perspective what's the best next step?
WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the North Koreans what they're doing, Becky -- they are doing what they said they would do. They were
warning the United States leading up to this joint military drills with South Korea. Drills that the United States continues to assert are
perfectly legal.
But what North Korea called the dangerous provocation. You had China and Russia calling for the U.S. to suspend those drills. The United States
refused, citing the fact that North Korea's actions, launching missiles, nuclear tests are illegal under international law.
While their military drills are allowed and necessary to defend against this growing threat. And Japan is actually have been playing in to some of
these military exercises as well. But the North Koreans warned the U.S. about the drills.
The drills went forward the North Korea launched or at least attempted to launch three missiles, including an intermediate range missile that flew
right over Japan's Northern Island of Hokkaido, terrifying many people in this country who woke up to air raid sirens and messages on their phones,
telling them to take cover.
Then North Korea put out those images over the weekend of their Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un inspecting a miniaturized nuclear warhead. They said it
was a hydrogen bomb that could go on an ICBM.
A few hours later, they test a hydrogen bomb and now these reports have been in fact they may be getting ready at any day now for another launch, a
launch of intercontinental ballistic missile.
So the message that they're sending is, we have the warhead, we have the missile, now we are going to launch the missile. What direction could it
be, people here in Japan concerned it could go over Japan again, the Northern Island of Hokkaido or the Southern Island of Okinawa on its way
towards the Pacific Ocean.
Perhaps even in the direction of the U.S. territory of Guam and then what kind of a response would happen as a result of that with Japan or the U.S.
try to shoot it down with this escalate the situation even further. But I think we have to take the North Koreans for at their word, at least for
now. Becky and the word is that they are going to continue these provocations in defiance of sanctions and threats from the United States
and its allies.
BECKY ANDERSON, CONNECT THE WORLD, CNN: The report is at Tokyo and Seoul, thank you. Up next attack that ended murder. People you may not even
heard about are being chased out of where they believed for generations by an army. We are going to fill you in also British politicians are back to
business after a summer break with Brexit still top of the agenda.
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ANDERSON: Welcome back, I am Beck Anderson out of London for this week, this is CNN Connect the World, Great Britain of course the place at one
time. Well, I just ruled much of the world well quite frightening places once at the end of the British still struggling places but Myanmar.
Rohingya exodus, you are looking at just a tiny fraction of what is more than 100,000 people quite literally fleeing for their lives and why,
because of their faith they are Rohingya Muslims, a huge crackdown is going on right now, killing hundreds of them torching their homes, the rolling
show and it must be said much the country hates Rohingya, their God, going after them so much brutally they are often called the most badly abused in
the world. Nearly all of that violence is taking place here in this area. The red area of Myanmar so both so most are fleeing up this way to
Bangladesh, but not that easy.
Some 30,000 can't get there and they are stuck here on the jungle covered mountain without food, water, or a roof above their heads, those that get
further to the river aren't much luckier, many do not make it across on these banks are full of this body bags of the bodies of 20 people after
their boat turned upside down, 12 of the dead just keeps. With the help, help explain all this is, let us bring CNN Nick Paton Walsh, she has been
in Myanmar for than 15 years, Nick does any of what we are seeing surprise you and why is going on now?
[11:35:38] NICK PATON WALSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Is being a crackdown recently by the Myanmar military they perceive that within the range of
potential extremists and they see a recent spike in violence will lose by a militia militants were trying to protect the population for some people to
gain that perpetrators during this crack down the reason behind the violence. It has a huge update on Human Rights watcher perhaps some
satellite images with the date taken which showed a pretty substantial destruction to keep religion in particular area and that is as close to
couple of extraordinary to verify the extraordinary witness accounts of the kind of violence perpetrated to kick people out of these areas is of course
that sparks across the border, tens of thousands of in the past days brings up the total of 123,000. Also, according to the U.N. and the problem is
whether these people go do whatever really welcome, is best safe in Myanmar from the beginning as you mentioned the courts in breakoff of the old
British Empire and the freeing of borders which may all give my loss, so much complicated for those who are stuck there, take for example range even
in India.
India would like to deport them as a potential in the months ahead stateless peoples certainly and one whom now desperately trying to flee
across for the border of Bangladesh, but even that what you accounts are overflowing a struggling, asking breaking million dollars in urgent aid
just to keep those they have in there grass to stay alive and the refining must welcome in Bangladesh.
ANDERSON: Let's take a listen to your report.
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PATON WALSH: The desperate lashed back to sanctuary with their families leaving torch homes and death behind the Rohingya Muslims for Myanmar, the
stateless ethnic minority often called most persecuted people on earth.
(TRANSLATOR): They are beating us, shooting at us and hacking our people to death. Many women were rape and killed.
PATON WALSH: 400 people are being killed since the media and the U.N. declared newly 125,000 Rohingya had fled across the border into neighboring
Bangladesh in just 10 days. After Myanmar soldiers and Rohingya militants escalated what's fast are coming ruled.
(TRANSLATOR): We were tortured by the military and their accomplices. We had to flee to save our lives. Last Friday the military killed five people
in our area, one of them is my son. They were tortured to death, our house possession are on fire, and we lost everything there.
PATON WALSH: We can't verify this stories ourselves and the office of Myanmar de facto leader (inaudible) didn't reply for request or comment.
It is a journey only slightly less powerless to help you leave behind. Many in Myanmar simply don't want them their so their homes are burn,
fleeing gunfire with the lives and families on their backs.
(TRANSLATOR): We have to walk a long way. We had to cross hills, bushes and fields to make the journey to Bangladesh border.
PATON WALSH: But sometimes is a crossing that kills them 12 children and eight women drowning when the boat was capsized and even then and find
solace, Bangladesh has forced a thousand to go back to Myanmar in just a last week and a staggering 20,000 in limbo and a no man's land in the
border without food or water.
Myanmar has for years been unfriendly to the Rohingya for the explosion of violence comes from Myanmar soldiers doing what they say a clearance
operations against courts extremist terrorists who they blamed for attacking other ethnicities, in turn the Rohingya have admitted using their
militants to attack the lease, killing 12 a week ago back in the defense of Rohingya rights.
Mothers are forced to flee but also to leave their son behind to fight.
(TRANSLATOR): I sent my son to fight, I am leaving him behind almighty Allah, and we are ready to face any situation.
PATON WALSH: An unwelcoming void ahead of them, ashes and agony behind.
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PATON WALSH: Extraordinary hard to really get the site of the violence there, but that is exactly what is going on. But you can simply see in the
images the risk they are willing to take to flee exactly how awful the situation they must have fleeing from it.
ANDERSON: Ten years ago, you wrote this article looking to answer whether the country with quote a tipping point, since then we have seen changes for
some life has got better for others it hasn't improve at all of course here the particular case of the Rohingya, but also the country at large is there
any side that things will get better anytime soon.
[11:40:15] PATON WALSH: If there is most likely not. Every one hope potentially of these forms were to improve his life and myself (inaudible)
does not really control over the reins of military and security forces, in time she does control the ability to condemn nonviolence and should be
markedly lacking in that criticism and in this particular point, of course is really Afghan Taliban the Chechen president in Russia until all sorts of
Muslim leaders coming very clearly forward to say something must be done about this, yet clearly little of that from the country's own human rights
icon leader will certainly formally so the question is exactly how can you find a place where this people can be safe and how you can prevent the
spiral into violence from exacerbating the situation closely. That is really a horrifying place whenever will be in a matter of years to go.
ANDERSON: The story that we have to continue to tell and potential of people's minds. Thank you for that, will the crisis in Myanmar, the plight
of the Rohingya Muslims is currently being debated in the British colony of Westminster has reopened after a summer recess and at any moment now the
Brexit secretary David Davis sent to gave an update on Britain departure from the European Union, CNN Nina Dos Santos is following the very latest
and do we have a date at this point. Do we know anything about Britain leaving the E.U.?
NINA DOS SANTOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is ironic just day when the British Prime Minister Theresa May is called upon the European Union to intensify
the Brexit talks, because the moment David Davis going to be meeting his counterpart Michelle of Brussels on a week on a monthly basis for one week
of talks, until now she wants --
ANDERSON: Let me just stop you from one sec, let's have a listen to what he has to say.
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DAVID DAVIS, BRITISH BREXIT SECRETARY: : detail on understanding each other's position, understanding when to compromise and beginning to drill
down into detailed numbers provisions. During both rounds it took place on all four areas, including the Pacific issues like the right of citizens on
both sides, Northern Island and a number of separation issues.
On citizens' rights making progress on citizens' rights has been an area for both rounds, and we took significance steps forward in both July and
August. We have published (inaudible), this underlines both the significant alignment to the oppositions and also provides clarity in areas
where we have as yet reached agreement.
In July we reached on this proposal is security. The eligibility criteria for residence rights in the scope of the withdrawal agreement and a shared
commitment to make citizens application processes streamlined and efficient as possible.
In August we agreed to protect the rights of frontline workers to cover future Social Security contributions for those citizens to who are covered
by the withdrawal agreement. To maintain the rights of citizens of the EU 27. The settlement business with anonymously of residence and vice versa.
And that we should protect existing healthcare rights and arrangements for E.U 27 citizens in the U.K. and U.K. nationals in the E.U. These are the
European health insurance or any arrangements. These are all good news and they may sound technical but they matter enormously to individual something
I think the members with the other constituents and the agreement on health care rights, for example, you will continue to have the healthcare
arrangements protected both where they lived. In recognition of qualifications it may progress in protecting the recognition of
qualifications for British citizens, resident in E.U. 27 and E.U 27 citizens' residence in the U.K.
These are of agreement help provides certainty and clarity for E.U. 27 citizens in the U.K. They will make a tangible difference to this people's
lives. I hope everyone recognizes the importance of that. The outcomes of the discussions demonstrate the commitment of citizens first and to give
the much certainty as early as possible in this process. Of course the remaining difference will be continued to work on, for example, we will
have further discussion on the specified cutoff date on future family reunion and on the broad issue on compliance (inaudible).
Paris will require flexibility on both sides. During the negotiation rounds the number of issues emerge on the E.U. offer that would lead to
further consideration for example.
The European Union is not plan to maintain existing voting rights for UK nationals living in the E.U. We made it will clear that we will protect
the rights of the E.U. Nationals in the UK is to stand in both. The EU proposals would not allow U.K. citizens, currently residence of E.U. to
retain the rights is a move for the E.U. Even areas were progress more is needed. While E.U. was agreed to recognize the quotations of UK citizens
is you must. We really should go much. This recognition must extend to students who are currently studying for qualifications. It must apply to
onward movement by UK citizens in E.U. and should extend more broadly to protect the livelihoods of thousands of people with dependable
qualifications which began before we exit the E.U. In these areas, E.U.'s proposals fulfill of ensuring UK citizens you and you use as you can
continue to live their lives. On separation issues a very technical area, we have established a number of sub groups in a specific areas.
With respect to nuclear material, we held discussions the need to resolve issue around and the responsibility of radioactive waste and spent fuel
held both here and there.
We reiterated this is important when the strongly initial interest in assuring UK and your community continue to work closely together in the
future as a part of a comprehensive E.U. partnership. With respect for the legal cases pending before the court of justice and the discuss labor a
couple points for cases being defined as pending is also progress in discussions concerning the UK's role before the court plus this pending
case that are being heard.
With respect to judicial cooperates civil and commercial matters and criminal matters, we may go progress on the principle of approach and a
joint in providing a legal certainty and avoiding unnecessary disruption in court. It is particular we have decided to the broad of principles outline
in U.K. position by (inaudible) seek to minimized the certainty disruptions of business which we are all working to avoid.
We remain committed to making much progress as possible is issues which are solely related to our withdrawal. Our discussions this week, had
demonstrated yet again and exposed the UK's approach is more flexible and pragmatic and --
I urge the E.U. and flexible in their approach on the withdrawal. On Northern Island - significant concrete progress in this vital areas. The
negotiation coordinators exported a number of issues including both (inaudible) over Friday agreement and the common travel areas. Will also
do have detailed discussions on the basis of both visual bond and I said nothing personal on the key issue. We also agreed to work on shared
principles on the common travel areas that is a major change.
We also agreed to carry out to work on Corporation on the (inaudible) agreement. Of courses along the key issues in relation to economic
corporations and energy will need to form an integral call discussions on the UK's future relationship with the European Union. Now finally on the
financial settlement. We reviewed that the U.K. and E.U. will have financial obligations to each other that will survive our exit in the
European Union.
[23:50: 03] In July, the commission set out European Union position. We have a duty to our tax payers to interrogate that position vigorously and
that is what we did line by line and show that we line by line or surroundings that are analysis use position. We also in discussions with
your all issues is clear the two sides have very different legal stances. As we said 57 shall be in accordance with law and in the spirit of the UK's
continuing partnership in the E.U. We agreed to do that we do not anticipate making progress on the final or financial deal on every round.
Generally we should not underestimate the usefulness of the process so far is also clear that there are significant differences to be bridge in this
sector. Initial discussion are also held on the governance on dispute resolution.
This provides an opportunity to build a better shared understanding of the law enforcing the withdrawal agreement and resolving any disputes that
might arise under it. Alongside of the negotiations, we also had published a number of papers we set regarding our future with the E.U. These is a
different facility legal position is on policy. Our future partnership papers are the concerted effort to pragmatically drive the progress we all
want to see. All along we had argue the talks around the withdrawal cannot be treated in isolation from the future partnership that we want.
We can only resolve some of these issues on how the new partnership will work in the future. For example, in Northern Island it will be
helpful/objectives on avoiding our birder, to begin discussions on how future will work. Furthermore if we agree the comprehensive free-trade
agreement that we are seeking in our future partnership. Solutions in Northern Island are of course it is easier to deliver. A second example is
on financial matters. As I said, the days that Brussel of contribution on E.U. budget will end when we leave.
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ANDERSON: You are listening to David Davis Britain's Brexit addressing a number of crucial issues that Brexit E.U. citizens in the U.K. cases
citizens in the E.U. post Brexit of course only just got in parliament today. The update parliament is absolutely crucial because we keep being
told that is absolutely crucial. But the point is has any progress being made at all we got Nina Dos Santos and do you have an answer to that?
DOS SANTOS: Well it seems they will take care one step forward and two steps back, in the last round of the talks. They had one week of talks per
month up until this point. The E.U made it very clear that again it does not matter how many times you U.K tries to bring the crucial economic issue
for the U.K. and trade up onto the table early than E.U once talk about it and talking about the financial divorce settlement, the E.U. just will not
(inaudible) As you could hear the details of what they are discussing there I s excruciating the tedious facts that some people and they are
important points interesting enough for the Europeans to kind of points the day this is laying out there in the house don't contain anyone near at the
level of detail that they feel they need to see if the U.K. is to take out of this relationship with more than will 320 many Europeans.
Remember that (inaudible) from the European side of thing on the European commission negotiating point and he says will have to protect the rights of
people in my country and other countries around the E.U. because the U.K. leading such an important (inaudible) the case needing, a wide array the
guns when it comes to the amount of money that the UK will need to pay if it leaves by 2019 that is scheduled to do Becky, this is because of course
remember that the U.K. net contributor and there is a lot of countries in the E.U. will get less if the UK contributes less. Countries like Germany
will have to (inaudible).
ANDERSON: I was interested to hear Derek Davis reaching out to the EU as he address parliamentarian and suggesting that the E.U. might be a little
bit more imaginative and all flexible. Why should they be?
DOS SANTOS: We it depends on the talks within the government. There of course members of the conservative party who didn't want to see the U.K.
vote for Brexit? A lot of those that started to buddy up with members of the labor opposition here to try to encouraged Theresa May's government to
take less cost stance on Brexit.
[23:55:08] But of course David Davis is one of those hard Brexit advocators even harder members on his cabinet. For instance William Fox the
International Trade and Development Secretary believes that if the UK had a clean break, no transitional period it will be better because it will allow
the UK to forge trade deal with other countries that is currently that can't talk to about trade deals. The moment because it is still beholden
to the eve before that she needs 2019. So it depends the Europeans at this point probably you will hear them say almost sick talking about Brexit,
especially if you do not want to discuss the money aspect.
ANDERSON: That is right. Nina Dos Santos fascinating, thank you for that. Also in London, I am Becky Anderson we are here for a week. Thank you for
watching. Good evening, see you same time tomorrow.
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