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REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA): We will begin our open hearings in the impeachment inquiry next week.
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): I don't know what Rudy did.
KELLYANNE CONWAY, COUNSELOR TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: I don't know what the role of Rudy Giuliani was. I just don't have visibility into that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a whole lot of things he does that doesn't surprise anybody.
RUDY GIULIANI, DONALD TRUMP'S PERSONAL ATTORNEY: The President of the United States, whoever he is, has the right to tell the President of
another country you better straighten out the corruption in your country if you want me to give you a lot of money.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: He's a very good attorney and he has been my attorney.
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BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST: Tonight, he is becoming the most dominant and intriguing figure in the impeachment spectacle. This hour, what we know
about Rudy Giuliani.
Plus, you are watching the very moment a 7-month-old baby was found alive after a murder massacre that killed nine others in Mexico.
And France's President calling NATO brain dead. What does this mean for our global order? We will explain, up next.
We are connecting a world that feels like it is in chaos. 7 o'clock at night here in Abu Dhabi, 4:00 in the afternoon in Paris, 10:00 in the
morning in D.C. I'm Becky Anderson. Hello and welcome to the show.
At this hour, the impeachment avalanche rolling ahead faster than ever. Right now investigators are locked up in closed door hearings in
Washington. There is so much going on, but you need to know about it because it has consequences of epic proportions. Let me walk you through
the key players here.
In the hot seat at the moment, Jennifer Williams. She is a senior adviser to Vice President Mike Pence, one of his inner circle who was on the now
infamous July 25th call between President Trump and Ukraine's leader. A source says she was concerned by what she heard. But there's no indication
she raised a red flag to her superiors.
Another key player on The Hill, Bill Taylor, the top diplomat in Ukraine. He will be the first to testify in next week's public hearings. Public as
in, in front of a camera for everyone, all of us to see. Here's why he is important to Democrats.
In his closed-door testimony, he said it was his clear understanding -- that's a very important phrase -- clear understanding that cash to help
Ukraine out on security would not come until the President of Ukraine committed to an investigation of Joe Biden and his son.
Taylor also bringing yet another key player, a one Mr. Rudy Giuliani. His name appearing time and time again and again after -- across witness after
witness. Ambassador Taylor testifying at least to him it appears as if the President's personal lawyer was the mastermind of this alleged shakedown.
Now sources telling CNN the White House is worried about Taylor's public testimony. Reading the transcripts, well it's not hard to see why.
Meanwhile, Republicans are going through yet another iteration of their ever-shifting defense of the President. And this one, well, not exactly
flattering.
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GRAHAM: What I can tell you about the Trump policy toward the Ukraine, it was incoherent. It depends on who you talk to. They seem to be incapable of
forming a quid pro quo.
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ANDERSON: Well it seems President Trump wants to make his Attorney General a key player in this political fiasco as well. "The Washington Post"
reporting that Mr. Trump asking Bill Barr to hold a news conference to publicly declare he did not break any laws during the call-in question
here. Barr refused, according to "The Washington Post" at least. Mr. Trump, though, just tweeting a strong denial to all of that calling the story fake
and a con job. And he once again took a swipe at the media.
CNN's senior political analyst John Avlon and CNN legal analyst Paul Callan both in the house for you this hour out of New York. First though let's
check in as we always do at this time it seems these days with Suzanne Malveaux who is on Capitol Hill. And do tee us up, if you will -- Suzanne.
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN U.S. CORRESPONDENT: You've covered so much ground here, but I do have to say, there is new information this morning. We did
see representative Jim Jordan, a Republican -- who is very outspoken about the process, complaining about the impeachment process also involved in it
as well -- saying that Republicans want to call for the whistleblower to testify publicly. And under these rules, Republicans can go ahead and ask
for any of those witnesses. But it is up to the chair of the Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff or the majority of the Democrats on that committee to
say yes to that. So it's very likely that that is not going to happen as they continue to try to out and unmask the whistleblower.
What is also happening here, Becky, and it's really palatable and notable here is the vitriol, the level of vitriol and the harsh language now that
lawmakers are using, particularly the kind of language they're using in the company of President Trump. Now it was yesterday that we saw Senator John
Kennedy, Republican from Louisiana, at a Trump rally where they were really kind of getting the crowd going, if you will. And this is what he said of
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the impeachment inquiry.
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SEN. JOHN KENNEDY (R-LA): And you know what our Democratic friends have done for him? Speaker Nancy Pelosi is trying to impeach him. I don't mean
any disrespect, but it must suck to be that dumb.
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MALVEAUX: So, Becky, we speak to Senator Kennedy all the time. And he's known for his kind of plain-spoken and colorful language. But this was
shocking to even some of his Republican colleagues as well when they heard that from the rally. We had a chance to talk to several people. And one of
them, a Democrat Senator Tim Kaine who thought that both Senator Lindsey Graham, as well as Kennedy now are acting out of desperation. Here's what
he said to me earlier this morning.
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MALVEAUX: Senator Kennedy last night saying it must suck to be that dumb referring to the Speaker of the House. What do you make of the response
when something like that --
SEN. TIM KAINE (D-VA): Yes, here's the way I read Senator Kennedy, and some of the things Senator Graham is saying. They're very worried. They're
really, really worried about where this is going and then you add on to it a crushing election night where they see that being a lemming and following
Donald Trump anywhere isn't going to get you anything and it's going to hurt you. And so, they're kind of scrambling. They're scrambling right now.
So they have to decide whether they want to keep coming up with one new desperate sound bite after the next or whether they should take their oath
of office seriously.
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MALVEAUX: And, Becky, he also went on to say that he's very concerned about the language, but he's certainly not surprised by it. I mean, this is
coming out from the Senate side. And usually they're a lot more amicable, if you will, and bipartisan as well. And so it really is setting the stage
for what we're going to see as something that very potentially will get much, much uglier as we go on.
But there's also this chance as well, next week, we'll see the public testimony and that could persuade the American people either way in terms
of their view and how they feel about this impeachment process. But, yes, everybody very much on edge.
ANDERSON: No, and I can hear that it's -- it's really something that you feel is quite new. This is a new era. The gloves certainly seem as if they
are off. Paul, in depositions, one name has come up hundreds of times. That of Rudy Giuliani and his activities aren't exactly a surprise, even to
those in his own party. Have a listen.
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REP. MARK MEADOWS (R-NC): There's a whole lot of things he does that doesn't surprise anybody.
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ANDERSON: I guess, Paul, two questions here. Is it legal and is it normal?
PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, whether it's legal or not, I guess we'll find out as these impeachment proceeding goes on and what the House
thinks of that. But he's -- it's not normal at all. I mean, what the President has done with Rudy Giuliani is to create a back-door, secret U.S.
foreign policy that he's running through his personal attorney and not keeping anybody else in the State Department even advised of it.
Now we may have seen American Presidents in emergency situations, the Cuban Missile Crisis or something, relying on a civilian to open up the doorway
to communicate with another country. But to actually run foreign policy through your personal, criminal lawyer is -- it really is unprecedented in
the United States. And I think everybody has been shocked by it in the legal profession.
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Joe, I want to stick with Rudy Giuliani here. Because over the course of the last year, U.S. diplomats -- and you and I have both spoken about this
-- have become gradually aware that Rudy Giuliani was leading the action in U.S./Ukraine relations. That's led many to question why. Have a listen.
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JAMES BAKER, FORMER FBI GENERAL COUNSEL: Applying your common sense to this type of situation, you would think that of course the President was acting
through Rudy Giuliani. If the use of Giuliani was intended to create some type of plausible deniability like in Iran/Contra, I don't think it works
because it doesn't make sense.
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ANDERSON: Do you think, John, Mr. Trump was looking for plausible deniability?
JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: To the extent that Donald Trump thinks strategically, which you shouldn't overestimate. Yes, I mean, it's
pretty clear he was trying to push a separate agenda through Rudy Giuliani. Who, obviously, has a gravity far beyond a personal lawyer or emissary for
a President because of his role as New York City's mayor. And as you know and I'll just remind folks, I worked for Rudy Giuliani as his chief speech
writer when mayor of New York. The Rudy Giuliani I know and was proud to work for is exhibiting none of the judgment that was his hallmark as mayor,
as the U.S. attorney, as somebody who fought corruption.
And I think, you know, whether he's been used -- he clearly has been dispatched to do the President's business. Mark Meadows might say he hasn't
appraised anybody of what he was doing in his various roles in the Mueller report hearing time and now. But he was keeping the President appraised.
But it does seem there's some larger forces at work here. And that, particularly the testimony that he was asking the Ukrainian government to
sign a statement regarding Burisma I think puts him in some dangerous territory for him and the country.
ANDERSON: And Paul, it does seem even the President's closest allies and advisers aren't sure what to make of Giuliani's presence in these Ukraine
relations. I just want our viewers to hear this short clip.
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GRAHAM: I don't know what Rudy did. I don't know what he's doing over there. If people want to look at Rudy, that's fine with me.
CONWAY: I don't know what the role of Rudy Giuliani was. I just don't have visibility into that. I just don't know what his role was.
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ANDERSON: Paul, how does this bode, this ambiguity, bode for Trump or indeed, Rudy Giuliani at this point?
CALLAN: Well, I think it looks bad for both of them. First, Giuliani makes odd statements in multiple public appearances. As a matter of fact, he had
one interview here at CNN with Chris Cuomo, where he defined bribery and what bribery was in terms of what we call the quid pro quo, the this for
that. And his definition fit what he was doing himself on behalf of the President, which was rather bizarre.
And as John said, you know, he was known for somebody who had good judgment, a cool head in times of crisis, and I think a lot of people are
seeing a Giuliani who is off the rails, who is utterly unpredictable, and he's mimicking the President's inflammatory rhetoric. And you don't usually
see lawyers doing that. You usually see lawyers trying to tamp down the inflammatory rhetoric and focus on reason and the facts of the case. And
he's engaging in an opposite strategy.
ANDERSON: I just want to bring back Suzanne at this point. Suzanne, Paul there talking about whether or not Giuliani has a cool enough head. I just
want to bring in another character here, that of Adam Schiff. Who you might say is sort of leading from the front, right, in this impeachment saga.
Does Adam Schiff have a cool enough head in what are these incredibly fractious times? After all, he is absolutely squarely in Donald Trump's
crosshairs at this point.
MALVEAUX: Well, the one thing he hasn't done is that he doesn't take the bait from President Trump and the whole back and forth with the name-
calling and the tweeting, that type of thing. He seems to take the high road when it comes to dealing with the President.
The one thing that people are discussing, debating, talking about, not really sure whether or not it's going to happen is whether or not he
himself would testify in the impeachment inquiry moving forward. If he would be call for it, or if he would even want to do so, to explain the
process by which they gathered all this information and the testimony. Something that has been very much at the crosshairs of Republicans who have
been complaining about that. Whether or not he would want to do that, and whether or not he's willing to do that, we're not sure. But that is
certainly something that Republicans want to see. And he might be willing to do such a thing. And then we would see him in another situation, another
forum, a test, if you will, to see if cool heads prevail.
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ANDERSON: John, I want to bring both you and Paul back in at this point. Global markets are up after -- well, today it was after Beijing announced
that China and the U.S. would have discussed rolling back tariffs as they move towards an initial trade agreement. Donald Trump, whenever he sees
this green arrow on the Dow Jones, generally tweeting about just what sort of shape this U.S. economy is in, deflecting from any of this impeachment
saga. I mean, it's a distraction, of course. Many will say, it's not the entire U.S. population who benefits from an uptick in the Dow Jones
Industrial Average, of course.
But given where we are at in this process, just give our viewers, John, if you will first, and then Paul, a sense of what we should watch for and
expect in these next couple of weeks. After all, we had been promised that this would likely wrap up by around Thanksgiving which is, of course, the
end of November.
AVLON: I would not make plans based upon that projection. Look, things are going to ratchet up significantly next week as the hearings become public.
This is a critical moment because, to date, everything's been conducted behind closed doors even if transcripts have been released. It's a totally
different factor for folks to sit in person. You're going to have wall-to- wall television coverage. They are making statements and taking incoming from politicians of both parties. But it will further ratchet up the stakes
and the reality of this for the American people.
It was a decisive moment in the Watergate hearings when they televised hearings began. And that's what we can expect. This is a full-blown
constitutional contest. This is a serious thing the United States is undergoing. It should not fill anybody with gladness or a sign of great
confidence at the current state of our country, but this is the process moving forward. But I would not expect it's going to be over by
Thanksgiving. The troops aren't going to be home from Thanksgiving for this particular political war.
ANDERSON: Yes, fascinating, Paul. Last word.
CALLAN: Yes, I agree with John. Highly unlikely it's over by Thanksgiving. If history is any instructor in this area, the Watergate investigation took
about two years before it took down Nixon. And the President is using inflammatory rhetoric like what he said at one of his rallies that the
United States would plunge into a depression if he were impeached. So I think we're going to see an effect on the stock market and the economic
reputation of the United States as this goes on.
ANDERSON: To all of you, it's always a pleasure. Thank you so much. An extremely important story. And we will do more of it ahead. But just before
we park it for now, I just want to take a moment at this point just to give you a sense of something else. As it turns out, Bill Taylor said there was
something else going on. A distraction around Ukraine. The top American diplomat in Ukraine telling lawmakers that John Bolton's efforts to get
military assistance flowing back to the country were being distracted by something. What was it? Well, Mr. Trump's curious bid to buy Greenland,
which wasn't, of course, for sale and still is not for sale. It took up a lot of energy, said Mr. Taylor.
Turkey's President Erdogan says Kurdish forces who he refers to as, quote, terror groups have not withdrawn from northern Syria two weeks after
Russian boots arrived on the ground. Meanwhile, President Erdogan also saying that Turkey itself will decide the fate of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's
captured family members. Turkey yesterday at this time announcing it had detained the former ISIS leader's wife and sister.
Well, I've been speaking exclusively to the Turkish defense minister asking whether Turkey knew about the whereabouts of al-Baghdadi before the U.S.-
led raid. Have a listen.
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HULUSI AKAR, TURKISH DEFENSE MINISTER: We had some information, military- to-far military, before the operation. At the same time, the military people coordinated among themselves. And we wanted our troops not to cause
any confliction. But on the other hand, as I said, between our intel agencies there is really a very close cooperation and I believe they
cooperated and they coordinated the information as well. But before that, before that operation, at least I didn't know that.
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ANDERSON: Turkish defense minister speaking to me there in what is an exclusive interview. Stick around, the full interview will be hitting your
screens next hour. That is only right here on CONNECT THE WORLD.
Well we are live out of Abu Dhabi. This is our Middle East programming hub at CNN. Coming up, in a stark warning to his allies, the French President
accuses the U.S. of turning its back on NATO, the cornerstone of defense in Europe. We will further explain coming up.
And --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was just lying on the ground when we came on her and I could tell from the blood stains they aimed for her heart.
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ANDERSON: CNN at the site of a deadly ambush near the U.S./Mexican border. More on the gruesome attack that claimed the lives of nine members of the
same family.
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ANDERSON: Welcome back.
They seem like the best of buddies not long ago. You can see French President Emmanuel Macron and his U.S. counterpart Donald Trump sharing a
special moment last year. Well these sort of images were common in the first months of their working relationship. Not anymore, though, it seems.
In an interview with the "Economist", published today, President Macron says that with the U.S. turning its back on NATO, we are witnessing the
brain death of the military alliance. He also said, quote, we find ourselves for the first time with an American President who doesn't share
our idea of the European project and American policy is diverging from this project.
We've got our international diplomatic editor Nic Robertson in London. And in Paris, correspondent Melissa Bell. And Melissa, just firstly, your
response to what we have heard from President Macron. Is this new?
MELISSA BELL, CNN PARIS CORRESPONDENT: It's fascinating, Becky, because we don't hear from him that often actually. But it's nothing that surprising.
Insofar as this was a man remember, who came into power on a platform of multilateralism. He's made it very clear how he felt about the issue. He is
an arch European and fighting what must feel on some days like a losing battle against all the forces around him that he mentioned specifically in
the article.
Things like the rising or the totalitarian tendencies of both Russia and Turkey, the threat from China. And this is happening from America at a very
time when those forces are growing. Also, of course, talks about the disarray within Europe. And this is interesting because we don't often hear
from the French President. He's very careful, Becky, in the interviews that he grants and that he doesn't and what he says to journalists. And this
really is a fairly rare assessment of his part from him about the state of the world. And, Becky, it is pretty bleak.
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ANDERSON: This is absolutely fascinating. NATO's Secretary-General, Nic, said today that Turkey is key to keeping Europe safe. I spoke exclusively
to the Turkish defense minister asking if he sees Turkey's rapprochement with Russia as a step away from NATO. He told me that Turkey is in the
middle of NATO fulfilling all of its responsibilities. However, he said in regard to northern Syria, they need Russia to resolve problems.
So I guess what we were getting at during that interview is trying to establish whether Turkey was a key NATO ally still for others, including
the United States. And whether Turkey, quite frankly, saw NATO as an organization that it wanted to continue to be part of. And they clearly do.
What is NATO's role these days?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: I think, you know, in the bigger context of what we're talking about here with what President
Macron has had to say as well. And it is interesting that he's chosen the "Economist" which is a weekly publication that can devote many pages to
some broad, expansive ideas. And this is clearly what the French President has wanted to achieve by placing it here.
It's interesting that he also talks about the need to have a different strategic relationship with Russia in the future, one that needs to be
approached carefully and over a period of time.
But to your point about Turkey's role in NATO, I think the general perception in NATO is that, you know, Erdogan is not the easiest of
partners to have in the organization, yet Erdogan won't be around forever. So the relationship with Turkey will endure. But at the same time, as well,
speaking with diplomats about this, this week. That you know, what Turkey has done by buying Russian-made surface to air missiles. These new more
sophisticated S-400 weapons systems that has caused the U.S. to abruptly halt selling its F-35 fighters to Turkey. Out of concern that the two
systems that the Turks might be able to work with the Russians and then sort of back engineer how to defeat the F-35 aircraft through these missile
systems.
The sense is within the sort of diplomatic circles that clearly what Turkey has done here is to step out of line. But how does one address that? And
there's a broader message here as well that if one NATO ally is able to step out of the club to buy weapons systems, there needs to be a message
sent within the club that they're not able to -- that that's not OK.
So I think what you will have found -- and this is my understanding -- that this will have been part of the discussions that U.S. officials will have
had with Turkish officials this week, actually, to sort of frame the issue in that context. That this is something that really, you know, much as we
might like to turn the other way and let it pass for whatever reason, that's going to be very difficult to keep NATO together. So I think there's
a lot of threads here. And one of those is that Turkey is an important part of NATO. It needs to play by the rules. But perhaps not have a bust up with
Erdogan because at the end of the day, he's not Turkey.
ANDERSON: Thank you, guys. This time last year, Mr. Macron, viewers, of course said he agreed with President Trump's concerns for NATO. Saying,
they need a better burden sharing. Have a listen.
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EMMANUEL MACRON, FRENCH PRESIDENT: I do share President Trump's view that we need a much better burden sharing within NATO. And that's why I do
believe that my proposals for Europe in defense are to be consistent with that because it means more Europe was in NATO, more capacity, in order to
take our part of the burden. And I think it's very fair and it's very important.
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ANDERSON: Today, the French President blaming the U.S. for the alliance's brain death.
You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD with me, Becky Anderson. Coming up -- a family in mourning after the horrific murder of nine women and children.
CNN travelled to the scene of the massacre. We will take you there, up next.
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ANDERSON: Let's get you up to speed in our top story of the hour. Former U.S. national security advisor, John Bolton, is an apparent no-show today.
Bolton was scheduled for an appearance before Congressional investigators about 90 minutes ago. But his lawyer had already announced that Bolton
wouldn't appear voluntarily. And there's been no sign of him on Capitol Hill.
Investigators are hearing today from Jennifer Williams, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence. Williams reportedly listened in on President Trump's
25th July phone conversation with the President of the Ukraine. Now we are -- certainly will hear more from her later today.
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WILLIE JESSOP, FAMILY MEMBER: Nobody should see their little brothers or sisters in this situation or a father look and see a mother slaughtered,
children slaughtered and massacred in the most heinous ways possible.
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ANDERSON: Loved ones still trying to come to terms with the unimaginable loss of nine members from the same Mormon family gunned down in a horrific
massacre near the U.S./Mexico border. Three women and six children, including an 8-month-old twins were killed in the gruesome attack earlier
this week. The first funerals for the victims are being held today.
Eight children survived the attack. Among them a 7-month-old baby girl named Faith. She was found unhurt in the back seat of a car hidden there by
her mother before she was murdered. Investigators are still trying to determine who is behind the carnage and why.
CNN's Matt Rivers travelled to the site of the attack to try and unravel the horrific moments of the deadly ambush. Here is what he found.
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MATT RIVERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it took us hundreds of miles of driving on small, winding mountain roads to get to this part of very rural
northwest Mexico. And when we arrived, we found an area teeming with a military presence.
(voice-over): At the checkpoints, soldiers covered their faces. Guns and armor aside. Better to stay anonymous in such a violent place.
Bienvenidos a Bavispe, the town closest to where nine Americans were slaughters on Monday.
(on camera): So this place is so locked down right now that we're being given a military escort to the area where at least one of the shootings
happened.
The massacre started here.
This is the exact spot where Rhonita Miller and four of her kids, ages 12, 10 and two eight-month old twins were killed. They were ambushed by armed
gunmen, shot, and their vehicle lit on fire. This is what remains.
(voice over): Up the road a few minutes later, two more cars were ambushed. Two mothers and two children also killed by gunfire. Another
seven kids escaped. They'd all left just minutes before from Rhonita's home, just a few blocks away.
They were part of a community of hundreds of Americans, largely Mormon, who have lived here for a long time. Julian LeBaron found one of the bodies.
JULIAN LEBARON, FOUND SOME OF THE BODIES: And she was just lying on the ground when we came on her. And I could tell that, you know, I could tell
from the blood stains that they aimed for her heart.
RIVERS: The family wants to know who would shoot and kill women and children and then light their bodies on fire? We saw Mexican investigators
on the scene on Wednesday.
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(on camera): It might not look like it, but this area can be one of the most dangerous drug trafficking routes in the entire world. The U.S. is a
hundred miles that way and drug cartels have been fighting over this land for a long time. And the government says that could be the reason why the
people on this road were killed. They say that maybe one cartel mistook that caravan for another. But, increasingly so, the family of the victims
isn't buying it.
(voice over): They think the families were specifically targeted by drug cartels, though they don't know why. This community has had run-ins with
gangs before but say this came out of nowhere.
LEBARON: We haven't been threatened, at least not in any way to suppose that women and children would be murdered.
RIVERS: Mexican President Lopez Obrador campaigned on the need to reduce crime in this country, though Mexico's murder rate now stands roughly six
times higher than that of the United States. The president insists his strategy of poverty reduction will eventually ease drug violence. But some
are losing patience.
(on camera): And while authorities aren't yet saying who is responsible for this shooting, they are saying that the shooters used American-made
firearms firing some 200 rounds at three women and 14 children. Matt rivers, CNN, in Sonora, Mexico.
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ANDERSON: It doesn't bare thinking about, does it. CNN's Patrick Oppmann is live for you in Mexico City where just a couple of hours away from the
first funerals. With the government promising justice and many saying quite frankly, don't bet on it.
PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, justice is something that's rarely delivered here. And you think these kinds of killings go on every
day. And it's just not news even here in Mexico because people are so weary of this epidemic of drug-related violence. But certainly these killings
have shocked Mexicans because of the fact that women and children, people that had nothing to do with the cartel drug trade, apparently were targeted
and killed so mercilessly.
And as you said, Becky, funerals are expected to take place today for all nine of the victims in the community of Lamora. Family members there have
said that members of the community will take care of embalming the bodies and actually building the coffins out of wood there before all these nine
victims are laid to rest. And people there say that they do hope the Mexican government can deliver the justice. But they are wary that while
there's a heavy security presence -- which you saw in Matt's piece -- that security presence is unlikely to stay around for very long.
And once again, this region will descend into lawlessness that's surrounded these communities which are very peaceful places generally. But just
outside, they have cartels that are fighting over this very valuable real estate because it controls the flow of drugs into the U.S.
And once again, it's just amazing to look at that video of baby Faith, a 7 months old. Her mother got out of the car apparently. Her name is Christina
Langford Johnson and she identified herself but was shot down all the same, family members say. And it just goes to show how absolute brutal this
attack was. Over 200 bullets fired. It really is incredible that anybody was able to survive.
ANDERSON: Yes, we're looking at the image of a little baby who did. Remarkable. Patrick, thank you. We're going to take a very short break.
Back after this.
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TORBEN DAENEKE, LECTURER AND ARC DECRA FELLOW AT RMIT UNIVERSITY: We produce about ten times more CO2 each year than we produce steel or cement.
To basically solve this is an enormous problem. I am looking at new ways to convert carbon dioxide into solid products that can be permanently stored
to take them out of the atmosphere and to basically mitigate pollution that we've caused.
We are using an electric catalyst. Basically, a material that you can apply electricity to and you can use this electric energy to drive reactions. To
split the CO2 molecule into carbon and oxygen. Basically produce coal again and put it back into the soil where we took it from in the first place. And
the oxygen is simply released into the atmosphere.
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KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN ANCHOR AND CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the face of a natural disaster, power is essential for infrastructure and emergency
response. Yet in some of Japan's strongest recent typhoons, blackouts have become an increasing cause for concern. And these storms keep getting
stronger.
One Japanese start-up says it can harness the power of these monster typhoons and convert it to energy. Challenergy, a Tokyo-based company
founded in 2014, says their innovative wind turbine is specifically designed to function under super strong winds.
SHIGETO MIZUMOTO, CHIEF STRATEGY OFFICER, CHALLENERGY INC.: If you don't have the power, you cannot communicate. We cannot control the natural
disaster itself, but we can control the damages that will be created by the natural disaster.
LU STOUT: The company has produced what they call the magnus vertical axis wind turbine. Instead of traditional propellers, this turbine uses three
vertically spinning cylinders which allow it to harness wind energy coming from multiple directions.
The technology is based on the magnus effect. A phenomenon where air curves around a spinning object. Challenergy says this turbine is built to absorb
wind speeds at 40 meters per second, almost twice the capacity of a traditional turbine and that the structure can withstand even the most
powerful of typhoons.
MIZUMOTO: That's the beauty of the technology that our wind turbine will not go beyond our control.
LU STOUT: While the turbine has only been tested in Okinawa, a prefecture located in southern Japan, Challenergy's next big step takes them far
beyond the country's borders. Next year they will expand to the Philippines which has also experienced catastrophic storms.
MIZUMOTO: They have more than 20 typhoons hitting the country every year. The country is more facing the typhoon than Japan.
LU STOUT: And though their technology is still young, experts say innovation in the disaster prevention space is essential.
TOSHIHIRO OSARAGI, PROFESSOR, TOKYO INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY: But the important thing to use more experience and the knowledge and the available
technologies and to prepare for the disaster in the near future.
LU STOUT: So while monster storms may be getting stronger, so, too, are our solutions. Kristie Lu Stout, CNN.
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ANDERSON: Welcome back. And there is a real welcome back in South Africa. The rugby world champions kicked off a five-day victory lap after winning
the cup for the third time as you can see. The Springboks basking in a hero's welcome back home. And so they should after a landslide win over
England in Japan on Saturday.
And Alex, this is just day one of what is a five-day tour. And you've just got to congratulate them all every step of the way, right?
ALEX THOMAS, CNN WORLD SPORT: Yes, Becky. And "WORLD SPORT" we'll go live to Soweto where David McKenzie has just watched that open top bus go pass.
He said it's crazy. We'll also show you a perfect Champions League hat trick from a little-known Brazilian teenager.
ANDERSON: There is a reason they are calling him the new Neymar. Thank you. All after this quick break. Stay with us.
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THOMAS: Let's end the show with one final bit of Champions League action. Which put a smile on our faces and many of yours, too. We know on paper
Manchester City 11-1 draw against Atalanta wasn't anywhere near as thrilling as some of the many incident pack games we've seen in the
Champions League this week. However, England's Premier League champions could have suffered an embarrassing loss really after their first-choice
goalkeeper here, Ederson, was forced to come off with an injury. Replacement Claudio Bravo, then sends off from that incident.
Left with no goalies left on the bench. So his defender Kyle Walker putting on the gloves facing a free kick which he managed to keep out of the net.
Meaning that, as far as the official stats are concerned, Becky, he completed more saves than the recognized keepers combined. Even leading the
official English Premier League fantasy league account to tweet, for all those who asked, no, you can't earn save points if he's picked in goal this
weekend. A huge game against Liverpool on Sunday.
ANDERSON: Wonderful. Thank you, Alex.
This hour, France's President Macron warns NATO is expecting, quote, brain death as the U.S. turns its back on its allies. We'll be speaking to one of
those allies. My exclusive interview with the Turkish Defense Minister coming your way.
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