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China's Neighbors Sealing Off Borders; 100+ Confirmed Cases Outside Mainland China; Wuhan's Streets Virtually Empty After Lockdown; Australia Evacuating Citizens to Christmas Island; Interview with Rep. Ami Bera (D- CA), Dershowitz Remarks Before Senate and Trump's Middle East Peace Plan; Interview with Mairead McGuiness, Vice President, European Union, Nigel Farage's Farewell to the EU with Flags and Fighting Talk;. Aired 10-11a ET

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BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST: Right now, 6,000 passengers on lockdown in a cruise ship. Fears that two of those passengers could have the coronavirus.

Then --

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ALAN DERSHOWITZ, ATTORNEY FOR DONALD TRUMP: His election is in the public interest.

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ANDERSON: No limits when you are trying to win an election, at least that is what President Trump's lawyer argues.

And -

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NIGEL FARAGE, BREXIT PARTY LEADER: You may loathe populism, but I'll tell you a funny thing, it's becoming very popular.

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ANDERSON: Mr. Brexit's last words to the EU before they cut his mic.

Well it's 11:00 p.m. in Wuhan. It is 10:00 in the morning in D.C. It is 7:00 in the evening here in Abu Dhabi. Plus, it's almost time for Brexit.

Hello and welcome to what is our expanded edition of CONNECT THE WORLD. I'm Becky Anderson for you.

Well our big story this hour, the world's most populous country, China, sealed off. Russia shutting down its massive eastern border. Hong Kong also

clamping down on some of its border crossings. In all-out measures to contain this Wuhan coronavirus.

And right now, China reporting some 170 deaths from the outbreak with nearly 8,000 people sick within its borders. But this is not just a one

country story. It is now truly global. The virus spreading its tentacles further and further every day in what has become a global supply chain of

disease.

In the coming hours, leaders of the World Health Organization, that's the W.H.O., of course, getting together to look at declaring a global

emergency. We've been asking them on this show why they haven't yet done that. That's been over the last couple of days. Their message, well, we're

watching closely. Meantime, the health body urging everyone to take action.

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DR. TEDROS ADHANOM GHEBREYESUS, WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION DIRECTOR-GENERAL: The continued increase in cases and the evidence of human to human

transmission outside of China and of course was deeply concerning. Also, the numbers outside China are still relatively small. They hold the

potential for a much larger outbreak.

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ANDERSON: Look at this. On board this ship, some 6,000 passengers on lockdown at an Italian port. Now a husband and wife from Hong Kong are now

being kept in isolation. The woman reportedly suffering from a fever. The two being tested for the Wuhan virus strain.

We'll connect this all together. Let's bring in CNN's David Culver in Beijing who has been following every step of this story since the start.

And standing by for us in Hong Kong, Will Ripley. David, let's start with you. Wuhan, geographically, ten times the size of New York City, yet now a

ghost town.

DAVID CULVER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is Becky. And it's bizarre to see some of these images coming out of Wuhan. We are connected with folks after our

trip down there who continue to describe just an eerie situation there. But it goes beyond that, too. Because you've got a balance of folks who are

within this lockdown lifestyle and yet at the same time, trying to find some sense of normalcy. And what we're also learning tonight is that this

goes beyond those in lockdown. This is an attempt now for folks in major cities like Shanghai and here in Beijing who simply want to get out of

mainland China.

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CULVER (voice-over): A normally traffic jammed highway in the city of Wuhan, China, near empty, only a few passing vehicles. Public

transportation shut down. City buses sit untouched. Only a few residents spotted outside. Eerie for a city 11 million people call home. Major food

chains closing to customers from Starbucks to KFC to McDonald's -- lights off inside. This Walmart open and crowded. Shoppers wearing face masks

inside and quickly buying up what's left. Leaving bare produce stands behind. Outside the lockdown zone, similar scenes across mainland China.

JENNA DAVIDSON, AMERICAN COLLEGE STUDENT: There's 24 million people in shanghai and I'm walking in the middle of the street.

CULVER: This American college student, Jenna Davidson, arrived in Shanghai a few weeks ago for the spring semester.

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DAVIDSON: You know, we got here before the outbreak and it went south really quick.

CULVER: She says finding food in the massive city has gotten increasingly difficult.

DAVIDSON: They shut down our campus. We almost felt as though they didn't realize that we're still living on it. Because we didn't even have like hot

water for a few days and the cafeterias on campus are closed. So we started realizing, well, we need food, and most stores within walking distance have

been shut down or it's like Zombieland in there. Folks fighting for what's left on the shelves.

CULVER: Jenna initially tried to keep positive.

DAVIDSON: This is the guy who takes my temperature nine times a day.

CULVER: She even sent this photo to her dad trying to reassure him.

DAVIDSON: For a while, I wasn't telling my dad everything. But he was finding out on the news just how bad it was so --

CULVER (on camera): Yes.

DAVIDSON: And it's been hard on him.

CULVER (voice-over): She and her fellow classmates now booked on flights to get out. Destination, anywhere but here.

CULVER (on camera): Where are you going?

DAVIDSON: Africa.

CULVER: Who do you know in Africa?

DAVIDSON: I don't know anyone in Africa. And what's most stressful is even though we're leaving, I still don't feel like we're in the clear yet.

Because it's, I mean, what if we catch it in the taxi or at the airport on the way home, on the plane. We still need to be very careful. It's not over

yet.

CULVER (voice-over): Back in Wuhan, social media shows how some residents keep moving inside their own homes, finding normalcy within the lockdown.

But a look outside and you're reminded life here is anything but normal.

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CULVER: A neighborhood security guard there walking around head to toe in that hazmat suit. Becky, it was interesting talking to Jenna. Because she

also says that her friends were likewise desperate to get out of China. I asked them where they were going. They said Hawaii, one of them, London the

other, which brings up the question of quarantine once they get to these places. Jenna fully anticipates that when she gets to South Africa, she

will find herself in quarantine for up to two weeks.

But this also explains why the World Health Organization's designation of a potential global emergency could also help in kind of setting the standards

for this quarantine. And also the international scientists that are coming together here in Beijing, including members from the CDC would like to

understand a little bit better the transmission of this virus and what an effective quarantine time frame might be -- Becky.

ANDERSON: Yes, and you make a very good point. Because the way that W.H.O. designates these things gives an opportunity or not for a kind of wider

sort of involvement by the international community which oftentimes and one would assume particularly on this occasion, will be extremely important in

containing this. David, thank you.

Will, I have got some, quite frankly, images which are, I guess you could say pretty much pictures of the day. People in Hong Kong wearing mask,

lining up to buy more of them. What's the mood on the ground there?

WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is a city, Becky, that remembers 17 years ago when the SARS outbreak hit Hong Kong the hardest of all, nearly

300 people died here. And people who lived through that, through that nightmare say they'll do anything to prevent that kind of fear. So even

though face masks aren't the most effective way to actually prevent the spread of this. Doctors say, they say you need to wash your hands with soap

and water all the time. And if you sneeze, you wash your hands again.

But people say wearing those masks, and you turn a corner, everybody's got them. They say it gives them some sort of feeling of protection in these

very uncertain, difficult times.

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RIPLEY (voice-over): In Hong Kong, a city full of empty stores, this one has a line around the block. A three-hour wait for surgical face masks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They give only one pack for one person. Yes.

RIPLEY (on camera): Are you coming back tomorrow?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe, Yes, maybe. We need more masks.

RIPLEY (voice-over): Demand is high. Supplies are low. Stores are quickly running out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They seem not to have anticipated the seriousness of problem and that it came so quickly.

RIPLEY: The same Hong Kong leaders who tried to ban protesters from wearing masks to hide their faces now cover their own. The government is

taking emergency measures to prevent a public health catastrophe. Severely restricting travel from mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

(on camera): Normally there would be a steady stream of people from mainland China coming through these now locked doors. High-speed rail

service is suspended until further notice.

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And that's really having a knock-on effect because this adjacent mall, just like malls all over Hong Kong, pretty much deserted.

(voice-over): Hong Kong has about 300 reasons not to take any chances. That's how many people died in the SARS outbreak 17 years ago in 2003. This

neighborhood, Amoy Gardens, was ground zero.

(on camera): Are people living here scared that that could all happen again?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think all Hong Kong people were scared. Something like SARS would happen again in Hong Kong. All people.

RIPLEY (voice-over): Those who lived through Hong Kong's darkest days describe psychological terror akin to 9/11, only stretched out for months.

That fear of an invisible enemy has many heeding the government's advice. Stay inside, avoid crowds, if possible, work from home.

(on camera): It's almost easy to forget that we're in the middle of the lunar new year here. This is supposed to be one of Hong Kong's busiest

tourism weeks of the year. But all we have are these decorations, all the public events have been canceled. The people are gone.

(voice-over): More than seven months of protests emptied out hotels, stores and restaurants. Now it's even worse.

(on camera): Have you ever seen a Chinese New Year like this so slow?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, never.

RIPLEY: Never in your life?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since for 50 years, 50 years I haven't seen for that.

RIPLEY (voice-over): Sales are down 70 percent, he says. And this was supposed to be a good week. Hong Kong's economy was already on life

support. Now an even bigger worry for some. Staying alive.

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RIPLEY: And, Becky, I think one thing that people here in Hong Kong understand better than most around the world is just how quickly this can

happen. How one day you might have one case. The next day you have 100. And given the fact there are still people coming back and forth from the

mainland, even though there are these travel restrictions in place, all it takes is for one patient to slip through the cracks and all of these

measures people are taking could still not be enough to prevent a catastrophic situation. Not only here in Hong Kong but major cities and

countries all over the world.

ANDERSON: Yes. You make a very good point, Will. Just coming into CNN, folks, the White House has just announced a coronavirus task force.

David, the U.S. President has been tweeting about this virus. And at an event on Wednesday he suggested he spoke with China's President over

growing concerns of what is going on. But a White House official tells CNN the two world leaders actually haven't been in contact since December.

Look, the U.S. and China locked in trade negotiations, phase two of which are of course, yet to get off the ground. This virus outbreak clearly

having an impact on the Chinese economy. There's no doubt that growth will take a significant hit. Whether or not Donald Trump really has been in

official contact with President Xi. Might a perceived supportive stance by the U.S. at this point, at this juncture, when China is struggling so much

actually be of benefit to these negotiations going forward, do you think?

CULVER: As of now it's something that I think that is so far removed from President Xi Jinping's mind as he's in the midst of trying to stabilize the

social concern here, right. Because as this outbreak is expanding, part of the concern and the proceedings on social media is the idea who is

responsible? There's concern that it perhaps was the local government that wasn't doing enough, under reported even. That's the allegation that's

surfaced. And so now you have President Xi himself coming forward to say that he's going to take control of the coordination and deployment efforts.

And the reason I say that, Becky, is because he hasn't really put much focus outside the domestic concerns right now. He's made no reference to

the President of the United States in all of this. His only meetings that were public were with the head of the World Health Organization this week.

And that was to say they'd likely allow in international scientists, including from the U.S. It's possible that members from the CDC would be

part of that.

Will that benefit things, relationship wise, going forward? Possibly. However, you also have to look at the movement that's coming out of the

U.S. Congress in particular. And they are moving forward with bills that seem to be very critical of China with regards to human rights and that's

something that came out even just in the past few weeks.

So those are continuing to surface and it's tough to see if China will be able to sift through and look at one versus the other. Congress versus the

President.

ANDERSON: Yes, David Culver is in Beijing. Your work has been terrific. David, thank you for that. And, Will, always a pleasure. Thank you.

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Well every country handling this country in its own way, we want to take a look at Australia for you, though, as its response is pretty unique. Get

this -- some of its citizens saying they would prefer to stay in Wuhan at the epicenter of the virus rather than be evacuated. On the face it that

doesn't quite make sense. Does it? So what gives?

Well, their chartered flight out of China would not actually go straight to Australia itself but rather, it would land thousands of kilometers away on

Christmas Island. Up to 600 evacuees would be quarantined for two weeks at an immigration detention center there, reopened -- let me tell you -- by

the government early last year. The detention center only houses one family right now. And as the "Guardian" newspaper reports, the head of the

Australian Medical Association now warning that the facilities medically inadequate if someone falls seriously ill. This is how Australian officials

are defending their stance on this.

The reality is people need to be accommodated somewhere for up to 14 days. I can't clear out a hospital in Sydney or Melbourne or Brisbane. I don't

have a facility otherwise that we can quickly accommodate for what might be many hundreds of people. And Christmas Island is purpose built for exactly

these scenarios.

Well, that, despite the fact that Australia is already quarantining a Chinese football team at a hotel in Brisbane. Drop even more salt into the

wound. Australian media reporting evacuees have been asked to pay almost $700 for a seat on that evacuation flight which is actually higher than

some commercial flights. It's one of those wrap your head around that one, isn't it?

Well, before we leave this here for now, I want to ask, where did all of this begin? Biologically speaking that is or perhaps what are known as

biological supervillains. Bats might be the answer. They can harbor many, many viruses that can spread to humans. We've heard that before. We've got

a lot more on that. It is at CNN.com.

Donald Trump's defense team lays out a stunning argument. But is it a shrewd defense play or an act of desperation? Let's take a look at that up

next.

Then --

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FARAGE: I know you're going to miss us. I know you want to ban our national flags, but we're going to wave you good-bye. And we'll look

forward in the future to working with you as sovereign.

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ANDERSON: Well do not adjust your TV sets. Yes, they cut his mic and we talk to the woman who actually did that. Cut off Nigel Farage. That is

later in the show.

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DERSHOWITZ: What happens since 1998 is that I studied more, did more research, read more documents and, like any academic, altered my views.

That's what happens. That's what professors ought to do. And I keep reading more. And I keep writing more, and I keep refining my views. To believe

that he would not have read 21 years ago what Mason had to say or Madison had to say or Hamilton had to say, I am sorry, I don't buy that.

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ANDERSON: 93 questions and more to go. U.S. Senators on Wednesday essentially the jury here, peppering House managers -- those were the

prosecution, of course, and Donald Trump's defense attorneys in that impeachment trial. The questions going down party lines as you might

expect, Democrats asking the managers friendly questions while Republicans trying to bolster the President's defense. And in a few hours, they were

back at it in another lengthy Q&A session.

This is a different phase, folks. There was though one question that wasn't read out. Senator Rand Paul's question that would have named the

whistleblower that started the scandal. Now this according at least to t sources. It went on to add Republican leaders told for if he submitted the

question, it wouldn't be read. Well Chief Justice John Roberts who did actually read all the questions reportedly did not want to be the one who

named him.

All of those 93 questions that we did hear had some people, well, maybe a lot of people, scratching their heads at the answer defense lawyer Alan

Dershowitz arguing that whatever the President does to gain reelection is in the national interest. Yes, anything he said.

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DERSHOWITZ: Every public official that I know believes that his election is in the public interest. And mostly you're right. Your election is in the

public interest. And if a President does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of

quid pro quo that results in impeachment.

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ANDERSON: We're joined by the U.S. Democratic Congressman, Ami Bera. He's a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Congressman, it's a

pleasure having you on. Firstly, your reaction to that defense.

REP. AMI BERA (D-CA): Well, Becky, thanks for having me on. I think it's a sham defense. We're governed by ethics rules. And I can't use my official

position to advance my political reelection. And that's exactly what the President did. And I think Mr. Dershowitz is absolutely wrong.

ANDERSON: OK. I wouldn't have expected you to say anything different, but it's good to get your response. Witnesses are, of course, the main talking

point. With John Bolton lurking in the corner as it were. Have a listen to what the Senate minority leader said yesterday.

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SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): The President and Mitch McConnell put huge pressure on these folks. I hope we can get witnesses and documents. It's an

uphill fight. Is it more likely than not? Probably no. But is it a decent good chance? Yes.

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ANDERSON: He says more likely than no. The vote for witnesses most likely tomorrow. What do you think the chances are of seeing the likes of John

Bolton in front of this jury?

BERA: You know, knowing how Mitch McConnell has managed the Republican majority and the Republican Senators I'm not holding out a lot of hope that

we are going to see Senators. That said, the oath that they took was to be an impartial jury. And if there's someone who has firsthand knowledge who's

written about it in their manuscript, you ought to want that person to come out and tell the truth and get to the truth. Then they can make their

decision. And that's what a jury ought to be doing is getting all the facts, looking at the facts and then coming up with their verdict.

ANDERSON: Fascinating. Sir, I just want to move away from what is going on in Washington for just a moment. You are on the House affairs committee. So

let me put this to you. Tuesday President Donald Trump unveiling his plan for peace in the Middle East. The pro-Israel proposal, as many are calling

it, was, of course, rejected outright by the Palestinians. It was rejected before the big reveal. This being the proposed map for a future Palestine.

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What do you make of both the plan and the timing of the details of the plan.

BERA: You know, the plan that the President put out with Prime Minister Netanyahu really departs from traditional American starting points of the

1967 lines. You can't really get a peace negotiation or peace plan if only one party is at the table. And, obviously, the Palestinians were not part

of this process. It also does seem to mirror a lot of what Netanyahu wants to do. So I think it's going to be a nonstarter. That said, I appreciate

that from Prime Minister Netanyahu there was some recognition of a two- state solution. I think it's in Israel's interest to continue to work toward that two-state solution.

ANDERSON: Do you see this plan as it stands at present peace to prosperity having any chance of anything but hitting the cutting room floor, finding

the dust as it were?

BERA: I don't because I don't think it will have any support from the international community. I think we ought to have a hearing on it in the

House Foreign Affairs Committee and discuss it and offer some feedback to the President in how we move forward.

ANDERSON: Got it. Just moments ago, the White House announcing that it has created a coronavirus task force, sir. Its aim, we are told, is to monitor,

to contain and to mitigate the spread of the virus in the United States. Now President Trump tweeted these photos of their meeting writing -- I

don't know whether you can see them but our viewers are looking at this room now with Donald Trump and the committee. The U.S. has the best experts

anywhere in the world. Sir, often in a crisis of this scale, the White House would appoint someone to head the response, not just a committee.

This hasn't happened. But then I guess you could argue this isn't a typical White House, correct?

BERA: It's not a typical White House. We delivered a message earlier this week to the White House to say one of the lessons learned from the 2014

Ebola outbreak was you really do need have to have a command control structure and one person in charge that knows what's happening across all

the agencies. So you know, I hope they are moving in that direction, and we understand that the Chinese have allowed the CDC and the NIH to get to the

epicenter in Wuhan. That's a good first step.

We also, as Congress, understand the CDC has some emergency funding, but if this actually is a national outbreak, we've got to put together the

supplementary resources to get ahead of this. And this shouldn't be political. This shouldn't get wrapped up in trade or anything else. This is

an international emergency. And the global community has to work together.

ANDERSON: With that, sir, we're going to leave it there. We thank you very much indeed for joining us. Busy times in Washington.

Before we move on from this story, folks, I want you to cast your mind back all the way to the very foundation of the United States of America itself.

And what was playing through the minds of the founding fathers at the time. Have a look at this.

From the much-revered Alexander Hamilton in 1788, the key point of this, impeachment is based on, and I quote, those offenses which proceed from the

misconduct of public men or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust. This was written, well, hundreds of years ago, but

Hamilton is essentially rebuking the arguments made this past week by Donald Trump's defense lawyers about why he shouldn't have been impeached.

OK. Let me veer away from impeachment. Let's veer away from earth for a moment. Take a close look at this. These look like they could be gold

nuggets, don't they? Or maybe popcorn kernels or, actually, neither of those. They are plasma cells on the surface of the sun. Each of these the

size of Texas. They help create convection to draw up heat from inside the sun. A new telescope in Hawaii captured what are these remarkable images.

The most detailed pictures of the sun that our world and any of us have ever seen.

Back down here on our little rock, `twas the night before Brexit. After three years of pain, no hope left for remain. And Nigel Farage is

delighted. We'll get you to Brussels up next.

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MEMBERS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION, SINGING: For auld lang syne, my jo, For auld lang syne, We'll take a cup o' kindness yet, For auld lang syne.

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ANDERSON: Well, it was all meant to be a bit boring until it all got, well, a little bit strange. You are watching members of the European Union,

you certainly were, belt out "auld lang syne" which translates to "times gone by" after signing on the dotted line of the Brexit Withdrawal

Agreement. And time certainly has gone by on Brexit. Hasn't it? Gone by a trickle, that is 3-1/2 long years after the U.K. voted to leave the

European club. The moment almost finally here. It is Brexit eve. In 24 hours, Britain, the U.K. will be out.

And the man who many credit for bringing the whole thing about and would like to give credit to himself is self-proclaimed Mr. Brexit, Nigel Farage.

Predictably had his two pence worth to add. Have a listen.

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FARAGE: It is globalism against populism. And you may loathe populism, but I tell you a funny thing, it's becoming very popular. And it has great

benefits. No more financial contributions. No more European court of justice. No more common fisheries policy. No more being talked down to. No

more being bullied. no more Guy Verhofstadt. I mean, what's not to like. I know you're going to miss us. I know you want to ban our flags but we're

going to waive you goodbye. And we'll look forward in the future to working with you as sovereign --

MAIREAD MCGUINNESS, VICE PRESIDENT, EUROPEAN UNION: If you disobey the rules, you get cut off. Could we please remove the flags.

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ANDERSON: Well, that was Mairead McGuinness shutting down Nigel Farage. She is the Vice President of the European Union and an Irish MEP and she

joins me from the epicenter of that club, as it were. That's Brussels in Belgium. Mairead, I'm just going to sort of pursue this before we move on.

Nigel Farage calls himself the pantomime villain of the EU. Come on, you'll miss him, won't you?

MCGUINNESS: Well, we certainly will miss some of the drama, there's no doubt about that.

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I don't think we'll miss some of the nasty parts of it. Because, clearly, there are moments when he's quite funny but there are moments when his

seriousness is quite profound and worrying. And he did speak of hate yesterday and that troubles me a little.

And so, I think that yesterday and even today in these corridors, there's a very uneasy and unreal feeling because Brexit has been so long in the

making. Three years of negotiating as you referenced earlier. And yet we're only, if you take it, taken the first baby steps towards the future. So

that while in a sense I know that some of the U.K. will celebrate on that day on that hour when the U.K. leaves the European Union and many will do

the opposite. They will be in tears.

First here in the European Union, we know that we have to sit down across the table with the U.K. negotiators and try to find a new relationship.

Because, remember, everything will change insofar as the United Kingdom becomes a third country which is difficult for me to realize as I say those

words. And the United Kingdom has indicated, and indeed Mr. Farage would support this, that they move away from the European Union, do their own

thing and regulatory areas and the level playing field in trade. And I think that the next phase if you thought that was dramatic. I think it

might be even more dramatic and more traumatic because there's a lot of hard negotiation to be done.

ANDERSON: And that work is, of course, only just become. Look, Brexit days, it's symbolic to a certain extent, isn't it? It was the date Boris

Johnson was pushing the country and the EU towards. It's the hard work that starts now as he promises a complete exit by the back end of the year.

Mairead, I know you have had enough of him. And certainly many people in Britain have had enough of him as well. But look, I do want to spend a

little more time on just something that Nigel Farage had to say yesterday. Please respect me for this and just have a listen.

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FARAGE: What do we want from Europe? If we want trade, friendship, cooperation, reciprocity, we don't need a European Commission. We don't

need a European court. We don't need these institutions and all of this power. And I can promise you, both in UKIP and indeed in the Brexit Party,

we love Europe. We just hate the European Union. It's as simple as that.

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ANDERSON: So this is a really important question. What Nigel Farage says here and you'll hear this from many of the sort of hard Brexiteers, is that

Britain doesn't need the institutions of the European Union to have a good trade relationship with its entity.

MCGUINNESS: But I think the reason that I have --

ANDERSON: Go on. Go on.

MCGUINNESS: Well, no, if you listen carefully, as I do to Nigel Farage, he fully misunderstands why Europe exists, what it came from. It was much more

than about a transactional relationship between countries. It grew out of the course of World War II. And we listened yesterday to a most beautiful

and dignified woman who is age 90 in the chambers. She survived the concentration camps and she actually opened her intervention by saying that

she regretted that the U.K. were leaving.

So I think perhaps what has happened over time is that the U.K. never fully bought into this idea of countries. Sovereign states, nation states -- I'm

Irish and proud to be -- but we're able to work together under the European Union without any loss of our sovereignty or our power. And it's

extraordinary that a very large country like the United Kingdom has fought so long for independence because I'm from a very small country and we had

lots of trauma about our independence.

But there's no doubt, and Nigel Farage is on the button on this, that throughout the world there's this retreat toward an inward-looking nation

that doesn't care to see what's happening on its borders. We see it globally. And I'm afraid that that doesn't bode well for my children or

their children.

And what I hope will happen in the next phase is that Boris Johnson, he's very powerful now, will listen to those around him, those in business,

those in peace building in Ireland, for example, and understand that Europe is just not about institutions. This institution is nothing without people.

It just crumbles. And part of what makes it happen, as the people are behind the scenes here. And these are real people, good people who want to

do the best.

And I'm so sad that Nigel Farage spent so much time doing harm. Because he never did one day's good work in this Parliament. He took the money and he

ran. He never attended committees. He never dealt with constituency issues. He didn't know what they were. But he used our Parliament and, sadly, we

allowed him to use it to destroy at least the relationship between Europe and the United Kingdom. We are going to rebuild that, regardless of Nigel

Farage and his plans for the future.

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ANDERSON: I know anybody who has been around long enough will remember that Nigel Farage was a spent force in British and European politics before

at the emergence of this referendum and the rest, of course, is history.

Mairead, very, very briefly, is it realistic then to believe that the U.K. can get this sort of tariff-free, quota free trade deal that Boris Johnson

has been seeking? Does that make sense going forward?

MCGUINNESS: It makes sense if Boris Johnson and the negotiators realize that they have to abide by a level playing field and work with us in terms

of rules and regulations. You cannot have the benefits of the European Union but decide to operate totally independently and in ignorance of what

we do here in terms of protecting our single market customs union. And I think maybe this is where reality might bite.

That this surge of wellness and, you know, strong nation, coming from the United Kingdom, may well have to be dampened by the reality that in a

global world we have to work together. I was listening to an intervention or an interview we had about, you know, when things happen, when diseases

strike, when criminal strike, when terrorists strike, one nation on its own cannot cope. We have to work together. And I think, and I hope, that the

U.K. and the European Union will find a new path where we're not diverging into that forest but actually converging and having a calmer relationship

than we've had over the last three years.

ANDERSON: With that, we'll leave it there, but we will certainly have you back. Mermaid, Thank you.

I'm Becky Anderson. You're watching CONNECT THE WORLD. Stay with us.

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ANDERSON: The Barty party at this year's Australian Open has come to an end. Ashleigh Barty defeated by American Sofia Kenin on Thursday. Let's

bring in Amanda Davies. I feel like I need to say the Barty party with an Australian accent but I can't get it. So then tried it with an American

accent and that didn't work. So how is the women's final shaping up -- I'll say with my British accent?

AMANDA DAVIES, CNN WORLD SPORT: Well the good news, Becky, is that we don't need to say it anymore. For 12 months at least because Barty is out.

The Australian fans' hearts have been broken. I don't think it's too unfair to say, this is not the women's final that the organizers were wanting.

They wanted the home star to be there. But instead it's a rising star in Kenin up against a two-time grand slam champion Garbine Muguruza, they're

all the play for. And we're looking ahead to the lady's final in "WORLD SPORT" in a couple of minutes -- Becky.

ANDERSON: And I'm sure more on what is going on in the men's tournament as well. Amanda, thank you. We're taking a short break, back after this.

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DAVIES: Well, as ever, for all the latest on the outbreak, sporting and otherwise, do have a look online. Usual website address, CNN.com. Back to

you, Becky. That's it from myself and the team for now.

ANDERSON: Thank you very much. By my math, Liverpool only needs to win, what eight of their remaining 14 games to seal the premiership deal. Is

that right?

DAVIES: I think you have done the math ahead of me, Becky. As a Manchester United fan, I don't really want to believe it's happening.

ANDERSON: Yes. Well, I'm afraid to say, I think it is. Amanda, thank you.

Picture Hong Kong. Amanda has been there. Busy streets bright lights. Well, right now it is a virtual ghost town all down to that virus. We'll show you

what is going on there up next.

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