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Trump Compares Coronavirus to 9/11; BOE Warns U.K. GDP to Shrink 14 Percent; Trump Not Adopting CDC Guidelines; U.S.-China Tensions Worsen during Blame Game; Eleven Dead after Gas Leak in India; U.S. Unemployment Last Week at 3.2 Million; Spaniards Enjoy Easing Lockdown; Travel Across Europe; How Health Care Workers Deal with Stress; Celebrating the Small Things. Aired 10-11a ET
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HALA GORANI, CNN HOST (voice-over): Welcome back, everybody, to our continuing coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. I'm Hala Gorani.
Ahead, the Bank of England warns the economic downturn for the U.K. could be the worst in, listen to this, three centuries. We'll be live in London.
That is going on as more than 3 million more Americans filed for unemployment. We'll tell you about the toll coronavirus is taking on the
global economy.
Plus, Donald Trump compares the virus to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. I'll speak to a State Department spokeswoman about deteriorating relations between the
U.S. and China.
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GORANI: We begin with a startling economic forecast from here in the U.K. that gives the coronavirus pandemic a historical perspective none of us
could have ever imagined. The Bank of England says Britain's GDP, the economy of the country, is on course for its worst contraction in more than
300 years.
Here it is. The bank forecasts GDP will plummet 14 percent this year. Its records show the last time something like that happened, as far as records
are reliable going that far back, was 1706.
U.K. unemployment this year is expected to reach 9 percent. And, by the way, U.K. unemployment is under 4 percent. The U.K. has very low
unemployment compared to other European countries.
Those jobless numbers will be dwarfed by what is happening in the United States. Today, we learned another 3.2 million people filed unemployment
claims for first time last week on top of the 30 million who already lost their jobs and are filing for unemployment benefits. I'll have more for you
on the U.S. situation later in the newscast.
I want to focus on the startling forecasts from the Bank of England, which could tell us more about where the rest of Europe and the rest of the world
are headed. Let's first talk about what the BOE is saying. The U.K. economy could shrink by 14 percent in 2020. Tell us more.
ANNA STEWART, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is some very bad numbers there. I think the key is steep, 25 percent contraction in the second quarter. Now
when we talk about bad news, these days we're talking about shades of bad news, Hala.
We had a much worse forecast for that number from the OBR, the forecast used by the government, just two weeks ago. They said that could drop by 35
percent. Actually this is better than many people forecast.
Some good news from the Bank of England as well today, they are looking at a full recovery by the end of next year. So the economy shrinks by 14
percent this year.
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STEWART: But by the end of next year, they expect it to grow by 15 percent. So second half of next year, an absolute very strong recovery.
That is absolutely contingent on what happens over the next few weeks, how the U.K. lifts lockdown, how businesses get back to normal, how much
support the government gives them and employees to ensure that you don't see a sudden uptick in unemployment.
GORANI: Well, we'll see.
Is it wishful thinking, is it a forecast that will materialize next year?
A very strong rebound?
It is going to depend on a lot. And it is very difficult to forecast that far ahead. That certainly is the wish, though, and the hope.
But with a contraction of 14 percent potentially, in 2020, any rebound will be welcome.
But will we make back some of the terrain that we will lose this year?
Let's go to our Clarissa Ward, because this is putting a lot of pressure, these economic warnings. U.K. officials must decide how they're going to
start reopening the country. Our chief international correspondent joins me live from London.
What are we expecting the prime minister to announce in the next few days?
CLARISSA WARD, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: So essentially the big announcement should come on Sunday. But the decisions really are being
made today. And what CNN is learning from an official who sort of is close to the negotiations, is that nothing is yet set in stone. Everything is
still up for debate.
And a lot of it will be contingent on the data that the government is looking over in the coming hours and days before they make any definitive
decisions.
However, CNN has learned that it does appear that some restrictions will be lifted as of Monday; in particular, there's talk of sort of restrictions on
outdoor activity being somewhat loosened, that people will be able to go out multiple times a day to take exercise, that people will be able to go
to stores such as garden centers, things that are outdoors.
They'll be able to sit on park benches without being stopped by the police. So this is what we're hearing. We're also hearing the government could be
changing its slogan, of course, in response to the coronavirus.
The slogan has been, "Stay at home, save lives."
Now we're expecting them to sort of ditch the "stay at home" part and it will be something more about, "Stay safe and save lives." There also will
be some kind of an announcement about a sort of rolling -- rollout to start people going back to work.
Those people who can't work from home who can work safely with socially distancing measures in place. But we don't know yet, Hala, what that would
look like. And we're still waiting to hear the specifics. So a lot of people will be paying very close attention to prime minister Boris Johnson
when he talks on Sunday.
GORANI: All right, Clarissa Ward, thank you very much, at 10 Downing Street. We'll be speaking about and talking to you about other European
countries and how they are planning to slowly ease their way out of this lockdown, that is hurting the economies of countries around the world.
And we're going to talk more about what is happening in the United States with Julia Chatterley in about 25 minutes. We're going to take a closer
look at the dismal U.S. jobless numbers.
As I mentioned there, more than 3 million Americans have filed first time unemployment claims in the week ending this Thursday, which really tells us
that the economy is just basically hemorrhaging jobs, over 33 million jobs lost in the last seven weeks.
Now a senior official at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is confirming that President Trump will not be adopting its
draft guidelines to reopen the country. The 17-page document had been compiled at the request of a member of the president's own Coronavirus Task
Force. Nick Valencia is in Atlanta, the home of the CDC, in fact.
Nick, this draft document has been under intense scrutiny over the last week or so at the White House. The White House appears not to be willing to
follow these guidelines.
What does this draft document suggest should be done in order to mitigate the negative effects of the pandemic on public health?
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It has been the focus of intense debate over the course of the last week and, according to a senior CDC official,
it has to do with the debate between the medical and economic advisers to the president, specifically over recommendations on businesses.
According to the senior CDC official, officials for the Department of Labor felt that the CDC recommendations that were drafted left the businesses
here in America too vulnerable for -- to be sued by workers who may contract the virus at the workplace.
Also, a point of contention, the civil rights office of the health and human -- HHS here, in the United States, felt that they -- the
recommendations were unfairly targeting faith-based organizations, churches.
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VALENCIA: You know, this 17-page draft document, we reported it last week, gives recommendations, again, not specific mandatory guidelines but public
health, sound public health advise from medical professionals, who spent innumerable hours gathering this data on the request of the White House
task force.
And really quick, to tick through some of the stuff we have, myself and Kevin Liptak have been poring over this document for the last week,
disposable menus, plates, utensils, guidelines for schools, spacing desks six feet apart, canceling nonessential assemblies and churches asking them
to limit large gatherings.
But really according to the CDC source, they feel, in their opinion, a lot of this has to do over business recommendations and the liability that
American businesses may have with these draft documents.
There was a pivot late last night, as the White House made it very clear to the CDC they were not going to implement these draft documents. What the
CDC is doing now, because they feel as though this is very sound public health advice that should be used, they're trying to go towards state
agencies to get these recommendations implemented at the state level.
But the White House pushing back saying, really that they were too specific and they can't be applied across the nation, Hala?
GORANI: What do the Centers -- what does the CDC believe the impact, the effect will be, of not following these guidelines on the overall death toll
and the rate of infection in the U.S.?
VALENCIA: Simply put, they're very frank, essentially saying their interpretation is that the White House is telling Americans not only do
they have to be OK with workers getting sick but with American workers dying just so they could have products like meat products.
There has been a lot of meetings recently between CEOs from meat plants, what they're doing. There is an agency here under the Department of Labor
called OSHA, which is essentially federal inspectors that go into workplaces to make sure worker safety guidelines are being implemented.
OSHA, for whatever reason, has said they are not going to enforce or make these businesses in America enforce CDC recommendations. There is a lot of
frustration, anger.
This is not surprising, though, to the officials I've been talking to over the course of the last eight weeks. There has been a lot of friction
between the CDC and the White House. We heard from White House officials saying they have problems with some of the work output at the CDC.
And this official, who is intimately involved in these matters, is saying that, at this point, they're used to dealing with the White House that asks
them to do things and then chaos ensues. So they're giving a very stark and sort of ominous warning that people will die if these recommendations
aren't adhered to.
GORANI: Thanks very much, Nick Valencia with the view from the CDC and the impact it will have on public health if some of the guidelines are not
followed. That's going to be a big, big topic of debate, not just in the United States but everywhere around the world.
Nick, I still have you with me. Tell me about what is going on in Atlanta and in Georgia, just generally speaking where you are. This is a state that
opened up even though the infection rate and the number of people who are still dying of COVID is not plateauing.
What is the reaction for ordinary Georgians?
VALENCIA: It comes from a conservative governor, a governor, who says they feel they're getting mixed messages from the White House. Last week they
heard from the vice president's office, vice president himself, Mike Pence, who said they were supportive of the decision to open early, Georgia taking
a leap of faith, people suggesting that sort of politics at play here that the governor wanted to win some political points with the president.
And then we saw President Trump, in a press conference, sort of doing an about face, saying he had some criticism about whether or not the --
businesses should reopen. Many fears here among residents in Atlanta, the city center; a lot of businesses owned by people of color.
Some going so far as to say that there are some racial undertones that, you know, African Americans here in the state are essentially being used as
guinea pigs to see how this COVID-19 may affect them.
People are still very uncomfortable. But you see people are getting a little sort of frustrated with the social distancing measures and the fact
is that many are starting to let their guard down as you go out into the streets here in Atlanta.
GORANI: We saw some video of Midtown Atlanta, which I know very well, and Piedmont Park and people were congregating. We'll see in a few weeks, I
guess. Interesting to see in a few weeks; hopefully it won't be the case, but if people letting their guard down will lead to more infections, thanks
very much.
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GORANI: Nick Valencia, live in Atlanta, thank you.
The U.S. president is calling the coronavirus one of the greatest threats the U.S. has ever seen and is again blaming China for it.
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TRUMP: This is worse than Pearl Harbor. This is worse than the World Trade Center. There has never been an attack like this. And it should have never
happened. Could have been stopped at the source. Could have been stopped in China. It should have been stopped right at the source. And it wasn't.
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GORANI: So the president is essentially framing this as an America under attack issue. And the same way he says it is worse than Pearl Harbor. Here
is how the Chinese foreign ministry reacted to those comments.
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HUA CHUNYING, CHINESE FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESPERSON (through translator): If they say the pandemic can be compared to Pearl Harbor or 9/11, the enemy
the U.S. faces is the novel coronavirus.
When faced with humanity's struggle with the same virus, I think the U.S. should fight side by side with China, as comrades in arms instead of
enemies.
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GORANI: All right. Well, joining me now is a spokesperson for the U.S. State Department, Morgan Ortagus.
Thank you for joining us.
How do you react to what the Chinese foreign ministry is saying, there needs to be cooperation between the two nations to combat this virus and
this pandemic and not finger pointing?
How do you react to that?
MORGAN ORTAGUS, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESPERSON: Thank you for having me again, Hala. Great to be on CNNi. I actually, in listening to what the
spokesperson said, my counterpart, I agree with what she said. Our nations need to work together.
And one of the ways -- one of the most crucial ways we can work together is to have real transparency from China. The world, what we know, is that the
world doesn't know where this virus emanated from. The Chinese Communist Party told the world it came from a wet market.
But there have been no independent credible scientists or doctors that can verify that. We still don't have things look a live virus sample, we --
from the Chinese. We still have seen the number of early doctors and scientists have disappeared that were speaking out and blowing the whistle
on China.
So I fully agree. The United States and China and all nations of the world need to work together on vaccines and therapeutics and need to work
together to solve this crisis. We believe the United States will lead the world economically out of this crisis. But we can't work together if the
Chinese Communist Party isn't open and transparent.
GORANI: There is no proof that this virus originated in a lab potentially, whether it was accidentally, you know, leaked or otherwise made its way out
of this laboratory in Wuhan. Intelligence agencies say they don't believe it is the case. U.S. Western-allied intelligence agencies are saying that's
not the case.
Why does the secretary of state and the president, why did they continue to, you know, repeat this narrative that this virus maybe came from a lab?
ORTAGUS: Well, with all due respect, Hala, I think you're overgeneralizing what they're saying. What we know is we don't have data, evidence of proof
or a peer review by scientists and doctors of any theory.
So there is nothing that the world knows with certainty. The world cannot say, credible scientists and doctors cannot say with certainty that this
virus emanated from a wet market because China has not given -- opened up, has not given live virus samples, has not given data for doctors to prove
that.
Also other theories, circumstantial evidence, intelligence, intelligence gaps around the world. We're never going to be able to answer this question
until the Chinese government opens up and lets the world answer the question. So there is no proof for any of the theories that you're
referring to.
GORANI: There is no -- there is no definitive proof either way. I'm just telling you and as you know, where the intelligence agencies are leaning
and where eminent scientists are also leaning in terms of where they believe this virus originated from and all of the ones I've spoken to in
the last couple of months tell me they believe it was an animal to human transmission outside of a laboratory.
This is not 100 percent because we haven't had an independent and transparent investigation.
One thing you said in a tweet was China destroyed virus samples, many virus samples, by January 3rd.
Is this based on intelligence that the U.S. has seen?
ORTAGUS: Oh, I think that -- there is fantastic reporters around the world who have reported on this. Certainly our officials at CDC, HHS, have
detailed this, I think there is many.
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ORTAGUS: There is always -- you look at any sort of information there is typically more than just one piece of information, whether it is open
source, reporters, intelligence that we look at.
GORANI: But you tweeted it as fact, you're tweeting it as fact, as if this is something we know. So I was wondering if this was based on intelligence
that the U.S. had seen, had been able to evaluate.
ORTAGUS: Yes, no, I understand what you're saying. I think this is based on a whole host of information and including reports that we have gotten
around the world from reporters.
There is plenty of open source information, open source meaning anything that the public can access on this. It doesn't just have to be intelligence
information. There is a lot of doctors and scientists out there within the CDC and the WHO, who have testified to this.
GORANI: OK. And I want to ask you about what the president was saying, comparing corona -- saying corona is worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Yet
despite that, he's tweeting and supporting the idea of opening up the country again.
So I wonder, if this were a military attack, wouldn't this be akin to not securing sensitive sites?
Why reopen parts of the country when the president himself is saying this is worse than the worst terrorist attack to ever hit America?
ORTAGUS: Yes, I think that we're conflating two things. I think when you look at economic impact and the devastating loss of lives, for young
Americans, there is a lot of young Americans when may not have been born or were, you know, babies during 9/11 and so they may not have experienced
anything on this scale before.
I think this is very real for many Americans. Most of us, a lot of us have family members living in New York City and different places where this has
been incredibly hard fought.
And I think the goal and the hope is that Americans will come together during this time of crisis and as they did after 9/11 and after Pearl
Harbor. I think separately, you know, again -- the State Department --
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GORANI: This is the president conflating those two things or three things, I should say.
But I guess my question is, it is a fair question then, if you are saying your country is under attack and also blaming China for that attack, why
then open up whole portions of the country to this virus, which is, you know, the attacker in this analogy that the president is using. Is that --
is that -- how would you respond to that question?
ORTAGUS: A couple of things, first of all, at the State Department, we have an international mandate for what we're doing to protect Americans
overseas. The White House speaks for it, the domestic side of things.
But I think when you look at what the president said, I don't see he's conflating issues at all. It is possible to do more than one thing at a
time.
It is possible to look at the fact that, since the end of January, when we at the State Department started evacuating American citizens out of Wuhan
and since the Coronavirus Task Force started, where we have a State Department representative, Stephen Biegun, that we have been facing this
attack and working with our allies around the world for a best response to it.
So you can do that while at the same time simultaneously looking out for the economic well-being of our citizens. You can do more than one thing at
a time.
GORANI: Morgan Ortagus, thank you very much for joining us from the State Department. We really appreciate it.
Coming up, a deadly gas leak in southern India kills 11 people and puts hundreds more in the hospital. We have a live report on that.
Also coming up, newly revealed information in the Catholic Church sex scandal.
How early did church officials in Australia know about the child abuse there?
That's coming up.
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GORANI: Welcome back. We want to update you on a developing story in Southern India. Eleven people have died, hundreds injured after a gas leak
at a chemical plant, you can see some of the chaos and the aftermath there. About 1,000 people were exposed to some toxic gas. Our senior international
correspondent Sam Kiley joins me now from Abu Dhabi.
Do we know the cause of this, Sam?
SAM KILEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, we do, Hala. The company LG Chem, based in North Korea but owns a chemicals plant there, has
confirmed that this was a leak of styrene.
The problem with the leak of the styrene is that it is normally in liquid form. But because the plant has been muffled for some time, something
strange happened in the storage tanks. They say they were able to neutralize 97 percent of it, they say, but a small portion was turned into
gas or vapor form and leaked out into the community.
Now styrene is not normally fatal except in very large doses. Indian authorities said some of the dead are people who passed out, possibly on or
in vehicles, one at least is said to have fallen off a roof.
But nonetheless, a very heavy dose of this toxic gas, which medics say could cause long-term cancer, is carcinogenic, potentially, got out into
the community, hospitalizing large numbers, rendering a large number, we're seeing shocking videos of people looking, in the words of one medic, almost
as if they're drunk, disoriented, badly affected by this gas. Now
they say both the authorities and the company that they have it under control and the Indian authorities said that relatives of the dead will get
compensation of some $131,000 U.S. equivalent in rupees and they expect the company to stump out most of that. LG Chem is not denying
responsibility. They're saying they will cooperate and conduct an investigation there.
GORANI: A U.S. citizen captured in Venezuela has appeared on the state run broadcast. You see here in this heavily edited clip, Luke Denman speaking
to someone off camera. The government says Denman is admitting to participating in a failed coup attempt that the president, Nicolas Maduro,
claims was coordinated by the United States.
Another American is also detained there over the alleged plot. And the U.S. is denying any involvement in this plot.
Now to a new revelation in the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal. Documents reveal that cardinal George Pell knew about child sex abuse going on in the
church for decades, as early as 1973.
The documents were just unredacted by an Australian government commission and say that not only was the cardinal aware but that he was trying to
avoid situations that would, quote, "provoke gossip" about it. Pell denies ever knowing about the sexual abuse. Australia's highest court overturned
his conviction last month.
Another sign that the U.S. is in deep economic trouble, millions lining up for unemployment benefits. Jobless numbers are heading to Great Depression
levels. We'll have the details coming up next.
Also, workers in the U.K. are not faring much better. We'll talk to a former chancellor about the road ahead for the British economy.
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GORANI: Welcome back.
We just have gotten some economic data which paints an awful, ugly picture of the U.S. economy. I was just studying them, that's why I was --
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GORANI: -- 3.2 million people filed for first time unemployment benefits last week. In addition to the 30 million who already lost their jobs during
the coronavirus crisis. And there is more because, on Friday, which is tomorrow, we'll get the monthly jobless numbers. Julia Chatterley joins me
now from New York with a closer look.
So we were expecting more people to file for unemployment claims. Now we're at over 33 million; correct me if I'm wrong, 33.5 million since the
lockdown began.
What is the impact on the economy of all of this?
JULIA CHATTERLEY, CNN ANCHOR: It is devastating, Hala. This is the price we're paying for trying to tackle the virus. The challenge, of course, with
the United States is that we're not bringing case loads down. Meanwhile, we're rapidly seeing states reopen.
One of the big questions I think going forward is to what extent do we see the jobs coming back and what are the challenges ahead of that, of course.
We're going to see and get a snapshot of what the unemployment rate looks like in the United States.
And the calculations are difficult, given the speed this has happened. We could be looking at something somewhere between 16 percent to 20 percent
unemployment. The only real comparison I can give you takes us back to Great Recession style times.
It is unimaginable, the extent, the damage that is being done. And to your first point, I think it underestimates the number of people that are
impacted. If you include those that aren't looking for jobs, have had their wages cut, their hours cut, we could be talking as many as one in three
U.S. workers. It is devastating.
GORANI: And what is interesting is inflation is basically forecast to be close to zero. That's not necessarily a good thing.
CHATTERLEY: I mean, you would suggest that if you're in debt, you want inflation to try and help inflate those away. But I think that the real
economy read across this is that we're in dire straits.
These big economies rely on people spending. They have to go out there and have confidence. This is just a signal that people are going to be
reticent, I think. The risk is that you trend into something where people are waiting around for prices to fall before they buy something.
These are just not healthy signs for an economy. And we're not on top of the underlying core here, which is the health crisis.
GORANI: Yes. And, tell us, compared to Europe, in the United States.
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GORANI: The unemployment benefits, the stimulus checks are -- how do they compare between how European countries are responding to the economic
effects of the pandemic and the U.S.?
Which strategy will lead to a quicker rebound out of this?
CHATTERLEY: This is such a great question, Hala. We have done this very differently. In the United States, they have extended and bumped up
unemployment benefits. They have tried to push money out to businesses to get them to retain workers.
But that's been very challenged; 38 states in America now have workers on average earning more as a result of the unemployment benefits than they
were before. Try getting them to come back to work. That's the first challenge.
Those then roll off at the end of July and, in Europe, meanwhile, what we're seeing, it is particularly true for the United Kingdom, they
backstopped four-fifths of salaries in the short term.
But then as you start to see businesses reopen, the money is going out the door if you're trying to repay workers.
But are consumers, customers coming through the door in the same way that they weren't?
We need people off these benefits, is going to be difficult at a time of crisis anyway. In the United States, we're seeing an immediate increase in
unemployment. My fear is that we haven't seen the worst for the unemployment in the U.K. and other countries in Europe. It is the case of
what comes next. We don't know.
GORANI: Yes. We don't. The U.K. economy could shrink 14 percent this year. Unemployment up to 9 percent from under 4 percent. We're going to have a
lot to talk about in the coming weeks. Thank you very much, Julia. We'll talk fully again together about the big Friday numbers as well in the U.S.
Thanks so much.
The coronavirus pandemic is putting some extra snags in how we travel.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Make sure the plane is clean. These days you want to be doubly sure.
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GORANI: Our Nic Robertson shows us what it is like to travel across Europe with all the extra precautions along the way.
And also coming up, the Spanish island of Ibiza is famous for its thrilling night life. But COVID-19 has brought all of that to a standstill.
So if you're a club owner, how do you open your nightclub and keep social distancing guidelines in place?
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GORANI: Welcome back.
Are you just itching to get out there?
And imagine if you lived in Spain or in Italy or those countries where people have been under lockdown for two months?
Well, Spaniards are finally able to enjoy the great outdoors. The government has eased some stricter lockdown measures. Here is some video
from Barcelona. People are able to exercise outside, finally.
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GORANI: But from 8:00 to 11:00 in the evening, though. Spain has extended its state of emergency for at least two more weeks. But everything is a bit
more relaxed.
Millions of tourists were set to descend on Ibiza, the Spanish island, during its busiest season of the year. They go for the beaches, the
sunshine and, if you've been to Ibiza, to party. But COVID-19 has brought it all to a screeching halt. Scott McLean reports.
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SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If Ibiza is known for one thing, it's this. The pulsing music, near constant sunshine and beautiful
beaches attract tourists by the boat load. Back in the harbor front, the streets of the old town and of course, the clubs. This year all of the
biggest venues were promoting the most famous names in house music -- Guetta, Van Buren, Black Coffee. 2020 was building up to be a banner year,
then COVID-19 arrived.
(on camera): Looks like the morning after a pretty wild night out.
ROBERTO DE LOPE, CLUB MANAGER: It's quite like a hangover.
MCLEAN (voice-over): Roberto de Lope, is a manager for the company that runs Hi nightclub and Ushuaia we told 7,000 people.
DE LOPE: We are already May, the season is here. The summer is here. And there are no flights. And there are no boats. There are no -- there's no
movement between borders and Europe. It's quite difficult. It's very difficult.
MCLEAN: Especially when your business involves thousands of people packed shoulder to shoulder on a dance floor. Even when Spain lifts its lockdown,
its new normal will still require social distancing.
(on camera): Is there any way to social distance at a nightclub?
DE LOPE: No. There's no way to do this without any vaccine
MCLEAN (voice-over): In the meantime de Lope's boss is working on a virtual reality clubbing experience. And the famous Pacha club is hosting
literal house parties. Famous DJs spinning on zoom for thousands in their living rooms.
VICENTE MARI, PRESIDENT OF IBIZA ISLAND COUNCIL: They in part has turned over. The only industry we have is the tourist industry. Now there's no
people coming.
MCLEAN: Vicente Mari is the President of the island which welcomes more than 3 million visitors every year, a vast majority from abroad. They're
cut off from the mainland by the Mediterranean, Ibiza have had only 186 cases and 13 deaths. Mari wants to see tours return ASAP -- just not the
virus.
MARI: It is necessary to make controls in all the airports to control that the people who comes is free of virus.
MCLEAN (voice-over): Testing.
MARI: The testing is the only way to have tourism again.
MCLEAN (voice-over): Until then Ibiza's night life would have to wait.
DE LOPE: Without music and without clubs is different. I mean, you can enjoy Ibiza for sure. But you are not going to feel the same. You are
knocking to feel the real Ibiza.
MCLEAN: Scott McLean, Ibiza, Spain.
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GORANI: I want to take you around the world to other countries and how they're dealing with the pandemic.
In Bosnia, mosques are being reopened as lockdown measures are eased. The country avoided a significant number of COVID-19 deaths. Its total death
toll stands at less than 100. And it has about 2,000 confirmed cases.
The mosques were closed for seven weeks but now worshippers at the main mosque in Sarajevo will be allowed to attend two of five daily prayers.
In Greece, restaurant owners protested across the country against the shutdown. And empty chairs were placed just outside of parliament in Athens
and in several other cities. You see the footage there. It was part of a bigger protest movement across Europe over the economic struggles that
restaurants are now facing.
It comes days after Greece eased some restrictions but did not reopen restaurants or cafes. That is going to be a big problem going forward
because, when officials speak about reopening the economy, you know, it is quite clear, when you hear them speak, that restaurants and cafes will be
the last frontier, kind of, if you will.
Once we are, you know, a lot more confident that the virus will not be passed from one person to the other easily, so restaurant owners, cafe
owners, some of them closed for good. That's going to be a big question.
And a CNN crew in Athens wanted to show us what it is like to travel from Greece all the way back to London during this pandemic, as transportation
policies around the world change and people try to practice social distancing on trains and planes and elsewhere. Nic Robertson trekked across
Europe.
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ROBERTSON: Twenty to 5:00 in the morning, Athens, checking out of the hotel. It's still dark outside. Long journey back to London by plane, by
train from a relative cold zone, COVID-19, to one of Europe's highest hot zones. So it goes.
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ROBERTSON (voice-over): The airport. Sun is rising. Here we go. A lot of destinations. Only two of them are international.
Thank you very much indeed. Good luck.
So that's interesting. Before you can get on this flight, they want to make sure you have a connection to your final destination that you're traveling
to, your home country, or have a reason to go into another country.
Last look at Greece, last look.
I'm sure the plane is clean, but these days you want to be doubly sure.
So unlike the flight, when we came in here, leaving on this plane we have to wear the face mask. When you go in the back of the cabin, there's almost
zero social distancing. Seats are full, three and three.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Brussels. We will let you know when the doors are open.
ROBERTSON: Well, that was quite an odd experience on a flight. Three and a half hours, almost and for the entire flight, the aircrew stayed behind
their curtain. They didn't come out. That's not something I've seen before.
When we get through, we're given this. COVID-19 instructions. Notice to all persons entering Belgian territory. So these are the regulations you get
handed when you arrive in Belgium.
In Belgium, they're 1.5 meters. In the U.K. and in Greece, it's been 2 meters. But here, it's 1.5 meters.
The next stop is, well, customs. And a train.
Do you worry when you pick up passengers that maybe the passenger gives you the virus?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What can you do?
This is life. It's your job.
ROBERTSON: Yes.
Trying to find a somewhere to get a coffee and sandwich. I mean, I know you haven't eaten. We have a coffee in Athens at about 6:00 am in the morning
and it's the middle of the day now, so a little caffeine would help.
Here we are at Eurostar. Too early. This is the joy of traveling by plane and train, when there are only one or two planes and trains. This is the
only Eurostar today. So we'll wait four hours.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- look after yourself, your fellow passengers and the train crew by spreading out, by respecting social distancing and by
wearing your mask at all times.
ROBERTSON: Unlike the plane, the train is really quite empty. We just learned from one of the staff that there's no service on the train today.
It really is bare bones operation.
Fourteen hours to get here to London, but we've made it. Travel definitely has changed. It's slower. There are fewer thrills. Do expect border guards
to ask you more questions.
But you know what? Underneath their masks, I have to say, everyone has got a big smile. We're all in this together. This is the new normal -- Nic
Robertson, CNN, St. Pancras Station, London.
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GORANI: A bit of science fiction has landed at Rome's international airport. Staff members are wearing these big black helmets which are
equipped with thermoscanners so they can measure -- but this is it. This is the world we live in now.
They can measure body temperature from a distance of up to seven meters. The airport has three of these "Robocop" style helmets and expects to have
five by the time travel gets back to normal.
And New Zealand is preparing to relax lockdown restrictions from level three to level two, possibly as soon as Monday. The prime minister Ardern
says borders will remain closed to foreigners, though. Professional sports will resume; no crowds in the stadium. Ardern says the nation must work
together to keep the virus contained.
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JACINDA ARDERN, NEW ZEALAND PRIME MINISTER: It is very unlikely that we have hunted down every single case of COVID-19. If stray cases start new
chains of transmission, we might not find them for a month. So we all have to stay on guard.
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GORANI: Well, professional sports may be on break but the crowd, quote- unquote, can still go wild.
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GORANI (voice-over): This is what baseball is looking like in the U.S. Right now. I'll tell you what had this dad so excited. I'm curious.
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GORANI: People who work on the front lines are under a huge amount of stress day in and day out. Erica Hill talked to one doctor about what she
is going through.
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DR. EVELINE GRAYVER, NEW YORK CARDIOLOGIST: Every single time I walk into that hospital, it affects me personally. It affects my family personally.
It affects my daughter personally.
ERICA HILL, CNN ANCHOR/CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Dr. Evelina Grayver wasn't supposed to be in the ICU.
(on camera): Is there ever a moment where you can leave it behind?
GRAYVER: In all honestly, I'm kind of afraid of those moments. I'm afraid of the moments that I actually will allow myself to truly think and absorb
all that I have just seen.
They are all on ventilators.
HILL (voice-over): When the coronavirus began to spread, she was redeployed overnight --
GRAYVER: This is my (UNINTELLIGIBLE) test.
HILL: -- from the coronary care unit.
(on camera): Did anything prepare you for what you saw on day one?
GRAYVER: Nothing.
HILL: Day one was nearly two months ago. In the weeks since, her parents and then her grandparents contracted the virus.
On April 25, her 99-year-old grandfather, a Holocaust survivor, passed away. She still hasn't been able to see her grandmother. It's too risky.
There has been insomnia, anxiety and lingering fears.
GRAYVER: I'm fearful. I'm fearful that me being as a high-risk person that I am and being exposed, that I'm going to expose everyone and anyone that I
love. I'm fearful of depression. I'm fearful of anxiety. I'm fearful of post-traumatic stress disorder.
HILL: There is no timeline, no handbook for this pandemic.
ALEX STORZILLO, NEW JERSEY PARAMEDIC: Anybody who says they're not scared during this is lying to you.
HILL: As a paramedic, Alex Storzillo is trained to deal with death. But he's never experienced it to this degree. He worries about the toll to
come.
STORZILLO: I mean, we may not feel it now, but summer, fall, when the dust all settles, I think that a lot of, you know, first responders might be
dealing with PTSD.
DR. ADAM STERN, MASSACHUSETTS PSYCHIATRIST: Mental health concerns are so often stigmatized that it can be challenging, especially in a field like
medicine and healthcare workers and anyone on the front lines of this pandemic are at risk for PTSD and other emotional disorders.
HILL: Hospitals around the country are responding, adding additional mental health resources, including counseling. Emergency medicine has some
of the highest burnout rates for physicians. Now, increasing numbers of frontline healthcare workers are dealing with similar unrelenting stress.
Their families feel it, too.
KAYLA LEVY, DR. GRAYVER'S DAUGHTER: I miss her a lot, all the time. HILL (on camera): Do you worry about your mom?
LEVY: Extremely. I worry that she can get sick and possibly infect others and infect me when she comes home.
HILL (voice-over): Dr. Grayver says 13-year-old Kayla has been forced to grow up quickly.
GRAYVER: As a mother, you just feel like you're -- you're not there. You're not there when your child is scared. You just feel helpless and kind
of useless. It's a horrible feeling. Sorry. It's -- it really sucks.
HILL (on camera): And as you're really trying to juggle all of that, there are people looking at you and they are saying you're our heroes.
GRAYVER: There are so many times when I hear the sound from work. I just want to be a home with my child, to just be there and to kind of feel like
you're her hero. You're like -- as a mom.
HILL (voice-over): It's those moments as mom that keep her going.
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GRAYVER: The silver lining is that, by the quality that we spend, maybe the quantity is not as much and -- but the quality is just so much more
meaningful. We're just us.
HILL: Erica Hill, CNN, New York.
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GORANI: Not every sporting event is on hold. Here's one baseball game that you might be interested in watching. It will put a smile on your face. Here
is Jeanne Moos.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was the home run that hit home, not so much because of the ball going over the fence as for
the dad going out of his mind.
Cory Willig himself a former professional baseball player and now instructor celebrated his son's first home run. Celebrated it for longer
than it took 4-year-old Asher to circle the bases.
CORY WILLIG, FORMER PRO BASEBALL PLAYER: I was ecstatic because how much went into this. I know how many swings he's taken.
MOOS: During our interview, Asher was the MVP of mugging for the camera, giving a look at his mouth, his teeth, even showing a little shoulder.
Father and son had spent quarantine time practicing in front of their home. Asher hitting with such gusto, someone wondered how are the windows still
intact?
The home run happened the same day Georgia's stay-at-home order was lifted.
C. WILLIG: He had so much energy built up and he just wanted to get out there and go.
MOOS: Asher has plenty of swagger on deck. He likes to tap the plate. And he loves to flip the bat. This baseball prodigy went viral once before. At
22 months, his bat handling got him invited on Jimmy Fallon's show for a hitting contest with A-Rod. Contest that Asher ostensibly won with A-Rod
predicting --
ALEX RODRIGUEZ, FORMER MLB PLAYER: Future Yankee.
MOOS: His react to the slugger few words, pronounced himself.
ASHER WILLIG, 4-YEAR-OLD: Happy.
MOOS: His father's pitching as.
A. WILLIG: Best.
MOOS: And what he wants to be when he grows up?
A. WILLIG: A Junior.
MOOS: That would be Ronald Acuna, Jr., star outfielder of the Atlanta Braves who applauded Asher's home run with emoji. But watch your back,
Acuna.
A. WILLIG: Bombs away.
MOOS: It's bombs away all right, even if it's his dad who detonates -- Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
C. WILLIG: You did it! You did it! You did it!
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GORANI: We'll be right back after a quick break with more on the pandemic and news elsewhere from around the world. Stay with us.
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