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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: Welcome back to our continuing coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. I'm Hala Gorani. Ahead this hour,
piling on buses, tubes and trains in London. We'll show you how the decision to send some people back to work is not always working out.
Then, 6,000 children at risk of dying every day while health care services in Sub-Saharan Africa are occupied with the coronavirus battle. And blood
clots, inflammation, organ damage even, the scary potential effects of coronavirus.
Well, it is day one of the easing of some lockdown restrictions here in the U.K. These measures begin to slowly be lifted. Masked commuters in London
on the underground this morning after the government encouraged those who can do their jobs at home, construction workers, cleaning staff, et cetera,
to return to work. But Prime Minister Johnson says he's keeping a close eye on how other countries are easing restrictions to ensure the U.K. doesn't
make the same mistakes.
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BORIS JOHNSON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: We are watching intently what is happening in other countries and it is very notable that in some other
countries where relaxations are introduced there are signs of the "R" going up again and that's a very clear warning to us not to proceed too fast or
to wreck this out.
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GORANI: Well, obviously, as many of you have been following this program know Boris Johnson came under a lot of criticism for not heeding the
warning of other countries when the pandemic was in its early stages. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh joins me now live from London's King Cross Railway
Station. What was it like today?
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL SECURITY EDITOR: Well, rush hour today according to staff saw about 60 percent of the number of people you
normally expect to come through those gates behind me.
Let's just turn around now Hala, so you can see what it is like at about 4:00 in the afternoon here. Pretty empty, I mean, not as empty as it was
during the height of lockdown but certainly nothing like you would normally expect.
And this is I think perhaps a sign of what I heard a member of the staff here say, overheard them say that people are still scared frankly about
coming back into work. You saw the images of this morning on the underground here.
I have to say you know public transport here experiencing a financial crisis of its own because of the lack of people using it at this stage and
asking for a government bailout but as of this morning it was hard it seemed for everyone to be practicing that two-meter social distancing and
that's a practical reflection of how difficult it is to simultaneously get everybody going again?
Yet at the same time have everyone's safety paramount. To the side of me here was well, Hala, you'd be familiar with this the old advice. Now it is
stay alert, control the virus and save lives but it's really a sign that this is still out. The messaging confusion and the government's been
suffering from over the last days.
GORANI: There have to be some concerns that when you ease these lockdown restriction there is a risk that the number of cases will spike and
obviously the U.K. has now the highest death toll in Europe, over 30,000. How concerned are people that this may be a bit too soon, all of this
easing of restrictions? Because other parts of the U.K., Scotland for instance, is not removing the stay-at-home order from authorities.
WALSH: I mean the reason for it is twofold. Here in London certainly the infection rate is thought to be a lot lower than the 0.9 it can be in other
parts of United Kingdom and it could be as low as 0.5 here. London always was a head of the curve in terms of infection.
I mean, it is s interesting actually to note you were saying earlier on that Boris Johnson was talking about heeding the warnings from other
countries well strangely actually his own government have taken away the comparative graphs they used to have about various figures across Europe
and the rest of the world from their daily briefings.
But the numbers are awful still in the U.K. here. 494 dead reported today in the last 24 hours. That's not a good figure. It's half under the old
standards what it was at the worst part of the peak but no by stretch of the imagination good news and, yes, 33,000 plus now is the worst death toll
in Europe measured in different ways, caveat to be important when you hear that kind of number.
But it is a stark real choice for the U.K. between getting the country back to work here, hearing dire warnings of a recession already in place in the
first quarter of this year 2 percent, not that bad sense the financial crisis frankly.
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WALSH: And the fact that there are concerns about a second wave here, the number could get above one of "R" above 1 if people come back to work too
fast. So it has been a mixed picture frankly of people's own reticence and the government's very slow easing of the lockdown and its own confused
messaging strategy.
We're likely to see in the weeks ahead the possibility that households may be allowed to mix in a bubble. That's possibly coming ahead but the same
time the government saying don't go out and plan any lavish summer holidays, if you have booked something it may be at your own risk because
we may reverse the restrictions at some point in the weeks ahead.
So the government here I think, look reflecting the reality and the impossible nature of the challenge here. It is an unknown what happens in
the future but it is also incredibly hard to legislate for every part of daily life given the constant changing nature of the scientific problem
here.
But the government's made many of their own problem, frankly, by simply muddied the messaging waters they're in fact in. Even today the Boris
Johnson the Prime Minister pushed at question time in parliament by the opposition leader saying that they had never at any point advised people
that care homes will be safe from the virus when in fact the opposition leader wield out the government's own withdrawal advice from mid-March
saying exactly that. So the government often on tricky turf of its own making here.
GORANI: Thank you very much Nick Paton Walsh at King's Cross Station. So we are talking about the U.K. which is now just starting to ease some of its
lockdown measures but other countries have started already so it is interesting to see Germany and Italy, for instance, how they're doing?
Well, Germany is starting to lift border control measures put in place to fight the spread of the virus as the number of new cases continues to
decline. Authorities have reopened five border crossings between Bavaria and Austria and officials are set to ease more border restrictions this
weekend. Chancellor Angelo Merkel says the ultimate goal is to have free travel throughout Europe again soon.
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ANGELA MERKEL, GERMAN CHANCELLOR: The aim is if the infection process allows it, I want to stress that, June 15th border controls can be
completely eliminated.
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GORANI: While CNN Senior International Correspondent Fred Pleitgen joins me live from Berlin. So do we know - what do the numbers look like in Germany?
I know its early days but the country has started to easing lockdown restrictions. Are the numbers still down? Is the curve still on the
decline?
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's a really tough question, really interesting question, also, Hala, because something
the Germans have been talking about a lot is whether or not the amount of new coronavirus infections is still declining as it had been before.
Because one other things that we had seen for a couple of days is that the reproduction number for the novel coronavirus had been above one which
essentially means that the virus might be spreading a little bit and not getting pushed back anymore as it was before.
However, the German Center for Disease Control has said is that they believe that on the whole, the number of infections here in this country,
the number of active infections is still going down but they do believe it's going down at a lesser rate than it was before and might be plateauing
out.
So it's hard to say whether or not that's linked to the fact that the country is opening up a little bit but they are saying right now it seems
as though things might still be in decline but they certainly aren't in decline in the same level that it was before.
But as you heard Angela Merkel say, the Germans are saying we are going to continue on this course of gradually opening up the country and then also
of course trying to open up to other European countries like for instance especially Austria, as well, Hala.
GORANI: All right. So at what point then is there a re-evaluation in Germany of whether or not this process that Angela Merkel hopes will lead
to the reopening of travel within Schengen countries even? At what point do authorities look at the figures and re-evaluate whether or not this is the
right way forward?
PLEITGEN: What the authorities are saying Hala is that they're constantly re-evaluating whether or not this is working. Angela Merkel is obviously
going to be doing that as things go along. But then they're trying to do all of these gradually and I think the situation between especially Germany
and Austria is a very interesting one because it is basically the two countries that have almost the most cross border travel between one and
another obviously.
They speak the same language we have a lot of tourists that go back and forth. We have a lot of workers that go back and forth as well. So the
first thing what they're doing is right now you've already you mentioned that a couple border crossings have already opened.
On Friday they're going to expand that a little bit on May 15th, they're also going to allow day trip tourists to go across the border. So you can
go maybe into Bavaria if you're coming from Austria and go to Austria for may be half day if you're coming from Germany.
That was something that wasn't possible until now. And then as Angelo Merkel says she hopes that by June 15th there can be complete cross border
travel not just with Austria but in pretty much the entire Schengen area if the epidemiological situation allows for that.
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PLEITGEN: Obviously it's still a long way to go but it still seems as though that is something that could be a little bit ambitious showing as
how strict things are right now. It's also something by the way that the European Commission says they want to institutionalize as well.
They want to get these open borders in Europe going again because of course the tourism industry is so very important not just for Germany and Austria
but for most European countries where you do have those open borders normally and people going across a very large tourism sector.
So they're trying to do it gradually but the same time of course for them the amount of infections. The situation of the pandemic is still the
primary concern, Hala.
GORANI: All right. Thank you, Fred Pleitgen. So the question is when you ease restrictions you get a spike in cases. There was a spike in cases in
Italy but there's at least a partial explanation for this. The daily number of new cases nearly doubled between Monday and Tuesday to just over 1400
more than 400 though is from Lombardy, the country's hardest hit region.
And officials are explaining this, this way they say that these are cases from prior weeks that had not been previously counted. Ben Wedeman visited
one town in Lombardy left reeling from the pandemic.
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm Ben Wedeman in the cemetery of the Northern Italian town of Nembro, one of the communities
hardest hit by coronavirus. Here you see all the new graves that have been prepared the death rate here has jumped by more than 1000 percent in the
early months of this year now the situation in Italy is beginning to improve but the wounds of this pandemic will go on for a very long time.
GORANI: Well, Italy started to lift its lockdown last week and officials will be closely watching the numbers to see if easing these restrictions
will cause another spike in cases. And I can imagine officials all over the region will be doing the same because this is a country that was very hard
hit in the beginning. So it's ahead of some of the other countries in Europe. What happens there could be a precursor of what we see elsewhere?
As this pandemic has worn on it's become clear that COVID-19 is far more than just a respiratory disease. Dr. Sanjay Gupta looks at the growing list
of coronavirus symptoms that can jeopardize lives as well.
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DR. MATTHEW BAI, EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN, MOUNT SAINI QUEENS: So I am ready to go on to the ER don't know quite what to expect yet.
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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Don't know what to expect in so many ways? The coronavirus has challenged the ER doctors like
Mad since it hit baffling doctors with its mysterious symptoms. coronavirus is a respiratory virus that can spread through droplets with each cough for
each breath.
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DR. MANISHA JUTHANI, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF MEDICINE & EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: You have a droplet that then goes into your nose maybe
down your throat and eventually down into your lungs.
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GUPTA: But some people have critically low oxygen levels and yet still appear like you and me.
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DR. RICHARD LEVITAN, EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN: Almost unimaginable how people could be awake and alert and have Oxygen levels that are half normal.
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GUPTA: And it gets even more confusing, a respiratory virus doesn't typically cause isolated loss of smell or bumps and lesions on the feet
from nose to toes and nearly every organ in between. How does a microscopic strand of RNA weeks so much in such varied destruction?
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DR. BAI: So when they come in they can be to the extreme where they have no pulse already. Or they're coming in breathing really fast and hypoxic with
a very low oxygen level and cold and blue.
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DR, GUPTA: It could have to do with the way the virus typically enters ourselves in the first place. You're looking at the Ace II receptor. Now
see how the spikes on the coronavirus bind to the surface of the cell.
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DR. JUTHANI: This particular receptor is known to be in lung tissue, but it's also known to be in the heart and other parts of the body. It seems
that this Ace II receptor is expressed more potentially with age.
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GUPTA: Higher levels of Ace II are often present in men which could also explain why they are most likely to be affected more severely. Patients
like 33-year-old Vega who had a life threatening blood clots in his lungs.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The next day I was on the floor.
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GUPTA: And there's the mystery of what it's doing to some children at least three dead now in New York from an illness with symptoms similar to
Kawasaki, disease a condition where the blood vessels become inflamed.
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GOV. ANDREW CUOMO (D-NY): We have about 100 cases of an inflammatory disease in young children that seems to be created by the COVID virus.
DR. JUTHANI: Children that are having the signs of inflammatory conditions they already had the infection over two weeks ago.
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DR. JUTHANI: So this is not like another virus that I've seen.
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GUPTA: This tiny little virus which cannot even be killed because truth is it's not even alive.
GORANI: Well, Our Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta reporting there. I want to bring in Ian Hall Director of the Nottingham Biomedical
Research Center. He joins me from Nottingham. Thank you for being with us.
Let's talk a little bit about what is the most common lingering affect or possible condition that people infected with COVID developed by - I've read
about kidney issues, scarring of the lungs, some neurological issues. What has been the observation of doctors on the front lines?
IAN HALL, DIRECTOR, NOTTINGHAM BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH CENTER: I think you probably need to think about this in two ways. So the first is that most
people get extremely mild disease. So on those people the biggest problem is being fatigue which can actually going for really quite long periods of
time.
But I think the ones that we are most worried about from a medical perspective - in a hospital setting are the people who had more severe
disease requiring admission to hospital. And I think the biggest concern is the long term respiratory consequences so that his ongoing breathlessness
and cough.
And many of these patients seem to be developing additional fibrosis in the lungs. There are other things outside of the lungs, there are heart and
also in neurological system and the other systems as well.
GORANI: When you say fibrosis that is a level of scarring. Can you explain what that is and can you recover from not?
HALL: Yes, so what we're seeing is patients who previously didn't have any lung disease who after a severe episode of COVID often people who are being
to the Intensive Care Unit they seem to develop a post COVID fibrosis.
And we don't know yet because obviously it is early stages on this whether or not this is reversible or not? But we've seen similar things in patients
with influenza in the past but here seems to be a different sort of disease COVID.
And obviously the worry is that those people who previously being - be less chronically short of breath and potentially if that progresses may become
less well in time.
GORANI: And what about these neurological issues as well that has been mentioned? What are those and what are some of the effects on patients?
HALL: So we're in the early stages of COVID, we thought that those people were presented with fever and cough and breathlessness but it increasingly
became clear that there are groups of patients presenting in different ways and particularly the elderly we saw people presenting with confusion.
And I think what's become clear is that as well as affecting the lungs this virus can either directly affect the brain or alternatively because of the
inflammatory response it causes that can also affect the brain.
So it's too early to know what the long term consequences of that will be. But two things I think all fairly clear the first is that people who
previously had some cognitive impairment not as mild dementia often have a decline in the level of functioning so that they become more confused.
And the vascular complications which I heard you talking about just before I came on air. So risk of stroke et cetera is also a significant concern.
GORANI: And of course parents will be very worried that if their children contract COVID in the beginning we were told kids, you're usually
asymptomatic but there are a few cases of inflammation of the blood vessels in children. What has been observed there and among that in that
demographic?
HALL: Yes, so I'm not a pediatrician but I've been talking to my pediatric colleagues a little bit about this. So the first thing to say is I really
wouldn't want to cause too much anxiety over this. These are very rare patients; there are only a handful of them being described in the U. K.
They seem to develop some - I think when your correspondent said this thing looks a bit like a rare disease called Kawasaki where the blood vessels are
abnormally inflamed. And so you get symptoms at overall to different organ systems.
But I would stress that this seems to be extremely rare and so I really wouldn't want people to be too concerned about that in general.
GORANI: And PTSD was another one. I mean, I imagine that affects people who spend some time ICU you regardless of illness?
HALL: Yes, that's exactly right. So I think anybody who's spent a considerable period of time on Intensive Care is potentially a risk of -
symptoms which are very similar to what you see in PTSD for any cause.
And in fact many countries have got counseling programs for people who have been through ICU. Certainly that's the case the people who've had COVID as
well. But I'm not - I don't think that's necessarily different from anybody who's had a very severe viral pneumonia. I think it probably we're saying
these people spend a reasonable period of time on Intensive Care typically in the U. K. average - days been over up to round about ten days.
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GORANI: Yes. And have you ever seen anything like this in all your experience, a virus like this?
HALL: Yes, so I think that we - over the years seeing people who had severe viral pneumonia is the commonest one would be influenza right, I guess
which is you know still causes something like 8,000 deaths a year in the U. K.
I'm not does present in a similar way that most people get a mall disease but some people get a much more severe disease but there are some things
which are very specific to COVID. And you know we talked about some of them it seems to be more severe is called just as seems to be more of a problem
in men it particularly has some of these risk factors in the elderly populations.
And it seems to have these after effects of the extreme fatigue and the longstanding respiratory problems which seem to be more prominent that we
seem with flu in the past.
GORANI: And we're still learning so much about this terrible illness. Thank you very much Ian Hall. We really appreciate you joining us live from
Nottingham. Ian Hall is the Director of the Nottingham Biomedical Research Center, really appreciate it.
Still ahead South Africa is dealing with one of the worst outbreaks on the continent. We'll be right back.
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GORANI: Well, for 11 days in a row Russia has recorded more than 10,000 new virus cases every day. Among them is Dmitry Peskov, Russian President
Vladimir Putin's top aide and longtime spokesperson. He has tested positive for the coronavirus and is now in the hospital.
Despite the spike in infections President Putin is focusing on easing restrictions to kick start the economy. But as he guides Russia through the
pandemic, his country has quickly raised to the second highest case count in the world. CNN's Matthew Chance explains what is behind this sharp
increase.
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They are carrying out lot more testing than they were before. And so it's function of the fact that
they carrying out so many tests that they're getting so many confirmed and positive results coming back.
But you know even those grim results that we're hearing on a daily basis now 11 consecutive days of over 10,000 a day new cases. You know you still
seen as being the typical skeptical about them in terms of Russian officials.
In the matter of Moscow you may remember that has come out and said he couldn't do his screening results. So they've carried ice in the Russian
capital there are as many as 300,000 people that are infected in that city alone.
And so this is a huge amount of potential increases ahead of Russia in terms of number of infections of coronavirus.
GORANI: Well, in South Africa more than 11,000 people have been infected by a coronavirus and 206 people have died including some of the country's
health care workers.
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GORANI: And protests broke out in Cape Town after the death of one nurse there hospital staffs are angry at the lack of protective supplies and how
the crisis is being managed?
One new study estimates that worldwide an additional 6,000 children could die every day because of on - because of this strain on the health care
services with Sub-Saharan Africa hit the worst. CNN's David McKenzie is joining us now from Johannesburg with the very latest on that, David?
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. This study coming from the Johns Hopkins the School as well as UNICEF is very alarming Hala. And I
think it's alarming because these 6,000 deaths that are they are predicting in the worst case scenario through their modeling are not due to those
infected by COVID-19.
But to children who are affected by COVID-19 because of weakened health systems, the inability of families in the poor situations to even get to
healthcare workers and especially people not able to access nutrition and food. It's like the global study.
But 9 out of the 10 worst affected countries potentially will be here on the African continent. And I think it speaks to the complexity of the
situation that we are dealing with here. Despite a young population that might not be as badly affected to COVID-19 here in Africa.
The governments across the continent have taken a pretty similar trajectory and lockdowns and the constraints on people and the economy like other
parts of the world. I remember in the early days of the suspect to a respiratory illness, expert who said she worried that the cure in this case
will be worse than the virus itself in the context of low income countries.
They say even in the best case scenario you could see a quarter of a million children die in the next six months because of these adverse
effects of the lock down and the constraints on the supply chain. Now they said one of the key things is for policy makers across the world in these
kinds of economies to weigh up the moves they are making to transcend the flow of the virus with these other knock on effects.
You know we covered the Ebola outbreak in 2014 in West Africa. The authors of the study Hala pointed to that as another example. Far more people died
from these indirect effects in that outbreak than they did from Ebola itself.
And so there is a very difficult situation going forward for particularly the African continent. Those who are least affected by the virus young
mothers and young children that could in fact be the worst affected by the virus and it could really end the gains more than 20 years of gains in
reducing child mortality as says the U. N. agency UNICEF, Hala.
GORANI: All right, David McKenzie thanks very much. The European car industry is slowly trying to get revved up coming up we'll talk to one of
Europe's industry leaders on if and when manufacturing will be back to normal?
And also the top American coronavirus expert lays out his prospects for COVID-19 vaccine when and if Doctor Fauci things we'll see one. We'll be
right back.
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GORANI: We are getting the first reading of how the coronavirus pandemic is a battering the economy in the U. K? This gives you an idea of how other
countries are dealing with the pandemic? The government says the economy contracted 2 percent in the first quarter of this year drilling it down
further in March alone a trunk nearly 6 percent that's a record.
The last time we saw a drop this big was during the last recession, the U.K.'s GDP fell 2.1 percent in the last quarter of 2008. Now with numbers
like those it's no surprise that Europe's economy will be as projected to recover slowly.
The auto industry is trying to get back to life but it's hardly the restart that many are hoping for. Anna Stewart is live in London with those
details. Talk to me about manufacturing in Europe and the effect of this pandemic on these manufacturing jobs in industries?
ANNA STEWART, CNN REPORTER: Well, it has been a total look down for weeks in Europe and in the continent slowly but surely some plants have reopened.
And as of the last few days some manufacturing plants in the U. K. have also reopen.
Now today the government has advised people in England who cannot work from home to go back to work but of course work looks incredibly different now
Hala also social distancing procedures in place. So for the U. K. also expects that it's back up and running but is a very slow start. Take a
look.
Back to work but it's not back to normal. Masks, hand washing and social distancing have become a possum in production lines across Europe Ferrari
and Face in Italy, Volkswagen in Germany and now Ponds reopening in the U.K Austin Martin and Bentley.
The production process has been overhauled. Bentley has introduced 250 new measures to keep workers safe, a process that means they're only making
half the number of cars they normally would.
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ADRIAN HALLMARK, BENTLEY, CEO: Going down to 50 percent of capacity allows us to slow down the process, separate people that would want to be working
closely together as well as adding new protection equipments, gauges and markers everywhere, inspects screens, face masks, cleaning equipment where
you can imagine as.
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STEWART: He says 50 percent capacity isn't feasible long term. A quarter of Bentley's workers remain on the government's furlough scheme and some have
already been let go.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 20 percent of our total workforce is temporary and we have let about a quarter of those out.
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STEWART: It was a tough environment for car makers in Europe even before the pandemic. Jaguar Land Rover, Daimler and Ford had already announced job
cuts when under lockdown because sales took an unprecedented slump. In April new car sales in the U. K. fell over 97 percent. It was a similar
story across the continent. Even if these car makers can return to 100 percent production capacity and car dealerships reopen the future is
uncertain.
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STEWART: Will it ever go back to normal?
FABIAN BRANDT, OLIVER WYMAN AUTOMOTIVE & MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY: It's hard to say but our research suggests that historically deep recessions have
taken about three years for an industry to fully recover to pre crisis levels. And I think that at the moment there's no evidence at this time
it's going to be significantly faster than that.
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STEWART: Demand may return but how factories operate may never go back to pre pandemic norms. Over a quarter of people employed in the U. K. and now
is on the government's furlough scheme. We heard that some of those Bentley are on that furlough scheme.
We now know that that has been extended until October and it'll be a very gradual change in the summer from August. Companies will be asked to pitch
in there will be some flexibility to allow people to start scaling up going back part time. But it will be crucial to take that path very gradually to
keep a lid on unemployment and trying getting the economy moving again. Hala?
GORANI: All right. So I wanted to ask you about an antibody test that you took. I saw on your Instagram, that you took an antibody test and it
revealed that you were positive for antibodies which mean what?
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STEWART: Well that's the big question is what is that something that is available in the U. K. Barry's Antibody tests are available only
commercially none have been approved by Public Health England. I had symptoms of COVID-19 in early April, very mild symptoms but it was no way
of knowing whether or not I've had it?
Now what does this give me, peace of mind that I wasn't going mad and I'm not some dreadful hypochondriac. Also perhaps and it's such a big maybe
because we just don't know enough but perhaps it will give me some level of immunity but of course we won't know about that as many months to come.
Hala, I would also say it doesn't treat me that myself with very mild symptoms and plenty of friends who had similar symptoms. Lots of people
just don't know whether or not they've had it? And knowing that knowing how many people have been asymptomatic or with very mild symptoms will be
critical as to how countries emerge from the pandemic and get back to work, Hala?
GORANI: And did they tell you how accurate this tests this?
STEWART: This one has a 99 percent sensitivity I think they call it and then there is different specificities for IGG and IGM. For me it suggested
that I had very low levels of the - which is the antibodies you get as soon as you've had a virus and then plenty more of the ones you get in the weeks
that followed. So I hope it's accurate but without any kind of approval from a regulatory body here in the U. K. is of course hard to know, Hala.
GORANI: All right. Anna thanks very much. Glad you're feeling better. I know you had --as you said mild symptoms but I'm glad you're feeling
better. Now we're talking about manufacturing non businesses crave certainty, so is the U. K. slowly stirs from the coronavirus lockdown.
Companies want to know how best to protect their workers and try to repair their bottom line? Stephenson Phipson is helping them navigate that. He is
Chief Executive of the Manufacturers Organization Make U. K. And we're talking about the U. K. but really all of these conversations apply to
other countries around the world.
Are you satisfied with how these for instance carmakers and other manufacturers are opening up even though as Bentley said it's only
producing half the car as it normally does? Are you satisfied that everything is being done safely?
STEPHENSON PHIPSON, CHIEF EXECUTIVE, MAKE UK: Well, Hala yes. I think we've got a long history of complying with health and safety regulations doing
risk assessments in the U. K. And this is looking at another risk assessment, another layer of security to ensure the safety of those
workers.
It does have an effect putting social distancing into factories does mean they're less productive. It also has other implications as well. I think a
lot of manufacturers I've been learning through the pandemic in the lockdown process around resilience in their supply chains and making sure
that they don't have these long extended global supply chains to rely on single sourcing for example which tends to actually shut down the factory
production lines if you're not careful.
So its multi faceted but in terms of the safety of the stuff, there's a lot of preparations going on. And of course we had some sectors continuing to
operate throughout the lockdown. Food and Drink manufacturing a lot of sector in the U.K. has continued on this 500,000 people there over the
right of social distancing procedures in place. So inside the factory I'm quite confident. I'm a little more concerned about transport to and from
factories.
And of course the other aspect which means people can return to work like opening schools and those sorts of things.
GORANI: And what impact has this pandemic had on manufacturing? What sectors are the worst affected here?
PHIPSON: Well, obviously we've had as I said some sectors continuing on, medical devices pharmaceutical, manufacturing, food manufacturing complete
close down the automotive sector. You just reported on a slow restart there. Some of that will depend on opening up the show rooms again which
we're not doing yet.
So that's going to create demand and so we're going to see a slow return in that sector. But other sectors construction equipments, we're seeing quite
a slow down there. And recently very large reduction in aerospace manufacturing which is an important sector in the U. K. as we have a lot of
involves manufacturing companies in that sector.
And we were approaching order book drops of between 40 and 60 percent. So even though they can come back now our worry is come the end of June and
into July what is that - like is that going to recover? I think that's the key issue for us.
GORNI: Yes. And as you know I mean, if we could flip a switch and everything goes back to normal tomorrow it doesn't mean people will spend
their money in the same way. These are big ticket items cars and when it comes to - you know airplane manufacturing and airplane parts industry as
well.
These are businesses that have to invest in that, yet you have to be concerned that this might be a very long term slump for the manufacturing
industry.
PHIPSON: I agree. I think we're going to be looking at a fairly lengthy return which is why extending some of those governments support stakes
games. It certainly in the short term to make sure we can what size and shape those older books is going to look like it's really important.
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PHIPSON: But we're probably talking about a two or three year return to anything like normality many sectors. Oversee excluding things like food
and drink manufacturing pharmaceuticals and such like there will be capital goods manufacturing sector in particular is going to see a slow return to
where we were before and now.
GORANI: And how much does demand from outside the U.K. matter here in terms of how quickly the U.K. manufacturing sector? I mean, there are various
sectors they are not all on the same but how quickly they can get back on their feet do you think?
PHIPSON: Well, it's very important consideration. So 45 percent of the exports of the United Kingdom of manufactured and a lot of those are part
of supply chains globally. So a lot of dependency and that's what we're seeing in the fall off in some of the - there's all those recoveries in
other markets overseas.
And so we have to make sure those trade barriers are not there. That protectionism doesn't creep in as other nations are trying to recover. All
those aspects are still in the mix of the moment so we're waiting to see the outcome of that.
But we are quite dependent only extra order, so making sure that recovers quickly is really key to recovery for the sector here.
GORANI: Thank you very much Steven Phipson, Chief Executive of Make U. K. Coming up in just a few minutes we'll take a look at the challenges of
reopening across North America and updates from our reporters on the ground there. Also the race is on around the world to discover a COVID-19 vaccine
after the break. We'll hear from two doctors on when one could be found?
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GORANI: The death toll from coronavirus in the United States now stands at more than 82,000 and it continues to climb. It leaves Americans wondering
when life could return to some semblance of normalcy. Here's the latest from our teams across the U.S.
RYAN YOUNG, CNN U.S. CORRESPONDENT: I'm Ryan Young outside Columbus, Ohio. Here the state hasn't seen 14 straight days of drop off when it comes to
coronavirus cases. Like the CDC recommends before opening businesses back up. But that hasn't stopped the state from allowing retail shops for open
their doors. It's been a tough seven weeks.
Some businesses like this one haven't had their doors open. They've had to lay off employees. So this was a welcomed open. You can see social
distancing markings all across the floor here to be ready for the customers. They also have hand sanitizing stations.
This doesn't stop just here. Across the state they're getting ready for more openings. On Friday we know restaurants will be allowed to do outdoor
seating. Barbershops, spas and salons will be able to open.
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DIANNE GALLAGHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Dianne Gallagher in Atlanta. Wholesale beef prices has hit the highest levels ever recorded according to
USDA and as the country reopens meeting restaurants are to an already struggling industry is now facing new challenges.
Barbecue owner in Tennessee tells us that he's leaving brisket off the menu this week because it's just too expensive much in the disappointment of his
customers. At a burger bar in Virginia the owner tells us that he can only last about one more week with the price of ground beef before he's going to
have to increase prices for his customers. He said that every time he sees the light at the end of the tunnel it seems to go out.
PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Paula Newton in Ottawa where Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says stronger measures may be needed at the
U. S./Canada border going forward. Now he says this because as states begin to reopen, he says Canada needs to show extreme caution given the level of
outbreak in the United States.
Right now by mutual agreement that U. S./Canada border remains closed to all nonessential traffic until May 21st. Both countries are trying to
decide whether or not to lift those restrictions but if they do there could be temperature checks and medical history checks for those coming in to
Canada.
ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Erica Hill in New York where the Broadway League has announced theaters in this city will remain closed
through at least September 6th. These impacts 31 Broadway productions, 8 of those were new shows in development.
Broadway theaters shut down on March 12th after an Usher for two shows tested positive for the virus. As for the city itself New York City Mayor
Bill De Blasio says we are still weeks away from reopening. The first chance to look at doing something differently would come in June but only
if their indicators have consistent progress.
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Randi Kaye, Disney World theme parks and resorts have announced that they are taking reservations starting July 1st
and beyond. So people will be able to go to these parks. There will be some restrictions of course they'll be operating at a limited capacity.
They will also be likely doing temperature checks. They will be incorporating social distancing in those very long lines. And the guests
and the characters and cast will be required to wear masks. So in the Florida heat we'll have to see how that goes over with guests going to the
theme parks having to wear a mask to have some fun?
GORANI: There are more than 100 vaccines currently in development but Doctor Anthony Fauci the top American COVID Expert says don't expect one
anytime soon but do expect one. Elizabeth Cohen explains.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: It's the holy grail of vaccine against COVID-19. At a Senate Hearing Tuesday frank talk from Dr.
Anthony Fauci about the prospects of making that happen. Vaccine clinical trials in humans have started.
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DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY & INFECTIOUS DISEASES: And if we are successful we hope to know that in the late fall
and early winter.
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COHEN: That means no COVID-19 vaccine in time for the start of school.
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DR. FAUCI: The idea of having treatments available or a vaccine to facilitate the reentry of students into the fall term would be something
that would be a bit of a bridge too far even at that top speed we're going we don't see a vaccine playing in the ability of individuals to get back to
school this term.
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COHEN: And Fauci was clear, we might not end up getting a vaccine.
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DR. FAUCI: First of all there's no guarantee that the vaccine is actually going to be effective. You can have everything you think it's in place and
you don't have to use the kind of immune response that turns out to be protected and durably protected.
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COHEN: Still he does think of vaccine will happen.
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DR. FAUCI: Putting all those things together Senator Byrd, I still feel cautiously optimistic that we will have a candidate that will give some
degree of efficacy.
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COHEN: As far as treatments go there's only one that's been shown to work against COVID-19 the antiviral medicine Remdesivir which saves about four
days off a hospital stay but the distribution of Remdesivir by the Federal Government has been inconsistent with one leading Democratic lawmaker
calling it bungled.
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DR. STEPHEN HAHN, COMMISSIONER, U.S. FOOD & DRUG ADMINISTRATION: I think we can all agree upon the fact that we learned a lot of lessons from
Remdesivir situation.
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COHEN: Dr. Steven Hahn Commissioner of the U. S. Food and Drug Administration saying they'll keep those lessons in mind as the pandemic
continues.
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DR. HAHN: I think valuable lessons can be learned and will be learned with respect to other therapies and to vaccines in particular and we must
incorporate those into our operational plans moving forward.
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COHEN: And he says as time goes on doctors are learning more about what drugs COVID patients need?
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DR. HAHN: Giving example we do know that in some circumstances a patient who had severe COVID disease have developed from - clotting type episodes.
And so we prioritize a review of agents that we think might be beneficial.
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COHEN: All part of the race to save lives or better yet to prevent infection and it was clear from this hearing that the race is far from
over. Elizabeth Cohen, CNN reporting.
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GORANI: So we just heard from Anthony Fauci. Now I want to play a part of the conversation I had last hour with Robin Shattock who leads a vaccine
development team at Imperial College, London. I asked him to assess the chances of getting a successful vaccine.
ROBIN SHATTOCK, PROFESSOR OF MUCOSAL INFECTION AND IMMUNITY, IMPERIAL COLLEGE LONDON: There is no guarantee that any single approach will work.
But I think by having you know over a hundred candidates now progressing towards being tested that really increases the odds of getting - hopefully
several work. But that's still stock just the start of the quest to get vaccines available globally.
GORANI: And how are your trials at Imperial College London doing?
SHATTOCK: So, Imperial College is involved in two sets of trials. They're supporting the Oaks team that is developing a vaccine that's already in
clinical trials. And we have a second vaccine that we're developing ourselves that will start next month to be tested for safety and
immunogenicity.
But the journey from getting something into humans for the first time to showing that it works and it's safe and safe enough and effective enough to
use and then roll it out into the general population takes a while. And it's unlikely that that will be achieved until early next year.
GORANI: Early next year, unlikely that anything will be achieved before then. And that's at the earliest. Robin Shattock, is leading a vaccine
development initiative at Imperial College London. He was speaking to us today on CNN.
One of the - you knows the top people there in that race in the U.K. and around the world as we mentioned a hundred trials going - unfolding right
now. Still ahead a long neglected form of entertainment is making a much needed come back how the pandemic is breathing new life into drive in movie
theaters? We'll be right back.
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GORANI: Well, some world leaders are very concerned with their ratings. And if British Prime Minister Johnson is, we don't know that he is. Well, his
Sunday night coronavirus address to the nation was a hit in more ways than one.
A lot of people watched, some 27.5 million people. That is higher viewership than some notable events including the 2011 wedding of Prince
William in Kate Middleton and the opening ceremony of the 2012 London Olympics. The address also morphed into a viral punch line. Comedian Matt
Lucas poked fun at the seemingly contradictory messaging.
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MATT LUCAS, BRITISH COMEDIAN: So we are saying don't go to work. Go to work. Don't take part in - don't go to work. Stay indoors. If you can work
from home, go to work. Don't go to work. Go outside. Don't go outside. And then we will or won't - something or other.
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GORANI: Something or other, a very good impression of the Prime Minister there at last count, it's got more than 5.5 million views on Twitter. As
the world adjusts, tries to adjust to social distancing, a classic form of entertainment is making a major comeback. Here's a look at how the pandemic
is bringing moviegoers back to the drive-in?
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(PLAYING MOVIE)
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JAMES KOPP, DRIVE-IN MOVIE OPERATOR: Right now it's not looking good. I hate it when I'm at my desk. Small business is a soft one and it wasn't for
my retirement accounts we would not be able to put a show on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know which movie?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:--
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What's the first name?
KOPP: People are seeing it as the safe environment, a safe way to come out to see the movies.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. My goodness it's. Like we're back in, we're bringing the community back together.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm here with my kiddos.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Which movie?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We drove from Washington D.C. maybe about an hour to get here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's the first time out of the house in a couple weeks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're seeing a lot of new folks that are coming through those gates.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This sort of feels like normalcy if you will.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Definitely worked off in this pandemic time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Only six feet away and you know you can see in our cars if we need to.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And to me it's great because the drive in is an experience.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We want to do a celebration of appreciation to all of the essential workers out there and give these fine folks the biggest round
of horns they've ever heard.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will see concession foods going both buying popcorn and drinks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You must provide space between that vehicle.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I feel like it gives you a distraction to some degree.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone needs a distraction right now for sure.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By watching a movie under the stalls this does gives you that break for an hour and a half two hours to relax, it kind of go. Take a
deep breath.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think next twelve months, eighteen months is going to be all drive-ins.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It helps to make things seem not as bad in the world. Things will get better it's just going to take time to get there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The American - theater rides again and that's exactly how it is.
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GORANI: All right, there you have it. Thanks for watching. I'm Hala Gorani I'll see you next time stay with CNN there's a lot more ahead after a
break.
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