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HALA GORANI, CNN HOST, CONNECT THE WORLD: Hello everyone, I'm Hala Gorani. Coming up this hour, 26 U.S. states are reporting increases in the rate of
Coronavirus infections. That's more than half the country. We'll look at why the numbers are so bad? This as the European Union is debating blocking
visitors from the U.S. or any country which is yet to bring the pandemic under control.
And the FBI says the noose found in NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace's garage was in fact there for months and says he was not the victim of a hate
crime. The cases of COVID-19 are rising around the world and in the United States a top health official says the virus has "Brought the country to its
knees".
The Director of the Centers for Disease Control was speaking at a congressional hearing yesterday over half of all states are seeing more new
cases. Look at this seven-day moving average. New confirmed cases are almost back to where they were in April. And officials say it is not just
because they're doing more testing.
Meanwhile, deaths in Latin America and the Caribbean have surpassed 100,000 and I'm talking here about deaths, not cases. That's according to Johns
Hopkins tallies and government figures. Brazil accounts for more than half of that entire total.
And European Union member states are talking about banning travelers from several countries including the United States. Lucy Kafanov has more on the
escalating crisis across the country.
LUCY KAFANOV, CNN CORRESPONDENT: On Capitol Hill, an urgent warning from the nation's Top Infectious Disease Doctor as President Trump campaigned on
the other side of the country in Arizona, one of the states experiencing a rapid increase in reported Coronavirus cases.
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DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: We're now seeing a disturbing surge of infections. The next
couple of weeks are going to be critical in our ability to address those surging that we're seeing.
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KAFANOV: New weekly infections are on the rise in at least 26 states including California, reporting 5,000 new cases its highest daily count
since the start of the pandemic. Here in Texas, one of the first states to start reopening, Governor Greg Abbott says it's possible restrictions can
be back.
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GREG ABBOTT, TEXAS GOVERNOR: Because the spread is so rampant right now, there is never a reason for you to have to leave your home unless you do
need to go out. The safest place for you is at your home.
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KAFANOV: There is no statewide man mandate for wearing masks in Texas, nor is there in Florida, where Governor Ron DeSantis is still resisting issuing
one.
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RON DESANTIS, FLORIDA GOVERNOR: Catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And you attach criminal penalties for something, you got to enforce it. And
the question is, in some of the parts of Florida, is that really a good use of resources?
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KAFANOV: A county face mask rule was not enforced at Trump's indoor event at an Arizona mega church as the state reported a new single day record of
cases at nearly 3600, Dr. Anthony Fauci giving this advice to help slow the spread.
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DR. FAUCI: Plan A, don't go in a crowd. Plan B, if you do, make sure you wear a mask.
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KAFANOV: Fauci, along with other top health officials, testifying before House Committee about the Trump Administration's response to the
Coronavirus.
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DR. ROBERT REDFIELD, DIRECTOR, U.S. CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROLS & PREVENTION: We've all done the best that we can do to tackle this virus and
the reality that brought this nation to its knees.
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KAFANOV: And shutting down this claim from President Trump last week.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: So I said to my people, slow the testing down, please.
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KAFANOV: Trump's staff said he was kidding. But according to the President- -
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TRUMP: I don't kid by having more cases, it sounds bad. But actually what it is, we're finding people.
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KAFANOV: Fauci telling lawmakers he was unaware of any delays.
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FAUCI: To my knowledge, none of us have ever been told to slow down on testing. That just is a fact. In fact, we will be doing more testing.
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KAFANOV: And on the question of a possible vaccine--
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FAUCI: I still think there is a reasonably good chance that by the very beginning of 2021, that if we're going to have a vaccine that we will have
it by then.
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GORANI: All right. As I mentioned earlier the European Union is considering banning travelers from several countries as restrictions are eased. That
ban could include travelers from the United States. An EU diplomat told CNN the bloc wants to prohibit travel from countries where the virus is
circulating most actively.
To be noted that whatever that the EU decides, it's up to individual countries to enforce any ban. Richard Quest joins me now for more on this.
So since there's free movement within Schengen the block, if each individual country has their own ban how does that make sense since you can
move freely between countries?
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GORANI: Does that have to be a whole EU decision and impose the ban overall?
RICHARD QUEST, EDITOR-AT-LARGE: That's exactly the point. Hala, the Schengen free zone has broken down and has stopped in the late of March
when the EU itself put internal restrictions on movement within Schengen.
And they're desperate - desperate to get Schengen back up and running again. So that's why they have to agree, a common list of countries that
will be banned, and pretty much everyone has to go along with it. Because for the reason you have just said, first of all, let's say you're Greece
and you want U.S. Tourists.
Well, first of all, have you got direct flights from the United States? If you have, then your borders with the rest of the EU won't be able to come
down in case those American tourists go elsewhere in the EU and vice versa.
If you're coming from a third country to say Frankfurt and then on to Greece, no, the EU wants to get Schengen back up and running and the only
way they can do it is unanimity amongst the members to all agree to this list.
And as you just said, Hala, the numbers tell their own story. Per 100,000 new cases about six. Per 100,000 populations in the United States, well
over a hundred.
GORANI: Yes, but I mean, presumably there's disagreement between the countries that rely a lot on tourism Greece, Spain and others and countries
that don't need tourists as much. Are they coming together? Are they going to come to some sort of common understanding about the U.S. in particular
here?
QUEST: I think that the haggling is going on now. If I know it is. The haggling is going on now because they're desperate to provide a united
front. And yes, look, I'm sure there are some countries, but it's not easy to see your way around it if you were to let the U.S. in, well, then you
have problems with Russia because your definitional reason for letting the U.S. in, Russia also meets that criteria.
And so you start - once you shift this goalpost and then you can arguably put in restrictions and quarantine requirements and PCR testing
requirements from those specific countries. But you're now creating a minefield.
And it starts to look like the United Kingdom's household this, bubble that. My feeling is that if they - if they're going to let the United
States in, they're going to have to cast a wider net and at the moment certainly as the U.S. seems to show no willingness to reduce that number,
you know, European leaders are gob smacked, to be frank, that the leader of the United States is basically doing everything that the scientists and
advisers tell you not to do.
GORANI: Richard Quest, we'll see you later on "Quest Means Business" thanks. More than 9 million cases of Coronavirus very confirmed worldwide
with the Americas including the U.S. becoming the most recent epicenter.
Joining us me is David Nabarro, he was appointed as the Special Envoy for the World Health Organization to help with the Coronavirus pandemic. Thank
you, sir, for being with us. First your take on what's going on in the United States? You have states like Arizona, Texas and California that are
at levels we haven't seen since April. What's your reaction to that?
DR. DAVID NABARRO, W.H.O. COVID-19 SPECIAL ENVOY: Please take this virus really seriously. It hasn't gone away. It's very much there. Please respect
what the public health folk are telling you to do. They're saying it for a reason. Please protect yourself and others, maintaining physical distance,
wearing a mask when you're in public places, and if you're not at all well, don't go out.
It's really important that we recognize that this virus is dangerous, and we've all got to work to get on top of it. I really ask everybody in the
U.S., and indeed, everybody everywhere to go on taking this virus seriously. Please.
GORANI: So do you think some of these states opened too quickly, or in the case of the United Kingdom, for instance, with pubs and restaurants
scheduled to open on July 4th, do you think all of this is a bit too soon?
NABARRO: I just want to make sure that as countries reduce their lockdowns and improve opportunities for people to move, that they're clear with their
people on what are the basic steps that we all have to take to avoid the risk of infection.
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NABARRO: And that they've got strong defenses in every community, so that if outbreaks do build up, they're dealt with quickly and efficiently. It
really is important that the messages are clear and that the basics are in place. Then you can, of course, release the lockdowns. You can encourage
movement, because you know what you're doing.
And it is important to continue testing because that's the only way you know where the virus is? We're dealing, frankly, with an enemy. It's an
unseen enemy, and we need to do everything possible not to let the enemy actually defeat us, and it defeats us if we don't take it seriously.
GORANI: I could see you won't be drawn on specific countries I can understand why, but the World Health Organization did single out the United
Kingdom. The World Health Organization Spokesperson had this to say about Britain.
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DR. MARGARET HARRIS, SPOKESWOMAN, WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION: You have done well. You have really brought down your numbers. I mean, the UK has brought
a very difficult outbreak right down. Very good news in the last couple of days about the limitation of the cases and then far fewer people dying. So
now it's the moment to celebrate that by being super careful.
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NABARRO: Yes.
GORANI: Why congratulate a country that has the highest per capita death rate of any develop - of any nation apart from Belgium?
NABARRO: Well, Hala, I mean, I have to be clear with you and with everybody. When we're in the World Health Organization, we have to operate
within the space that governments give us and most of the time governments are really prepared to accept our advice, but occasionally they really
don't like it.
So we tend always to look for the positive. I think what Dr. Harris was doing and it was pretty clear to me when I listened to her remarks actually
as she said them, she said, look, don't behave as though the virus has gone away. Don't go out and celebrate as though suddenly you've got out of some
kind of detention.
This is a very different situation. The virus is still here. Please go on respecting it and I think that is the instruction that we should be giving
to everybody. We're not allowed to give instructions because we operate through a consent mechanism, so what we have got to say to everybody is
please take it seriously.
We have to go on beseeching them because that is the way in which we have to work. But it is a very, very strong beseeching request from people like
me. Take this virus seriously.
GORANI: Should you believe that the wearing of masks should be compulsory?
NABARRO: I wear a mask when I'm in public places. I wear a mask for two reasons. Firstly, if I have got the virus, I want to make sure I'm not
passing it on to other people. If I'm in a situation where somebody might have the virus, I want to try to reduce my risk of getting it.
I'm 70 and I take it very, very seriously. I also would practice physical distancing. I also look after older people and people who are frail and
make sure they're not at risk. I do this because I know my behavior has a huge impact on the well-being of other people.
Often the people who are most at risk are those who don't have the space and the time and the opportunity to protect themselves. They're low paid
they're in jobs where they have to service. So I think also wearing a mask is an important sign of respect to others whose risks are greater than
mine.
So I'm really encouraged - I really encourage everybody to wear it and personally I believe that in particular settings like public transport, it
ought to be compulsory.
GORANI: And last question, I mean, we have been speaking pretty regularly since the beginning of this pandemic. What is your frame of mind personally
now? Are you more hopeful than you were a few months ago, less hopeful? Why or why not? When you look at the next few months, what is your frame of
mind, your outlook?
NABARRO: On my desk I have a graph that shows numbers of reported COVID cases and deaths every day. And I study it really carefully even though I
know that there are many more cases that are in my graph, I am very disturbed that there is now an acceleration of reported COVID around the
world, particularly in poor countries.
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NABARRO: I'm really worried about what this is going to do for the economies of poor countries in the months to come because the virus isn't
going to go away. I'm also similarly worried about what's happening in the countries that are being - that have been able to reduce the COVID like
here in Western Europe?
I'm worried that they will not be able to maintain it because the people will not be fully focused on what has to be done. So my wish is to just
simply continue in a very gentle way to remind people everywhere that this virus is extremely dangerous and stealthy and we have to do everything
possible to get on top of it.
GORANI: Dr. David Nabarro, thank you for joining us as always.
NABARRO: Thank you, Hala.
GORANI: And we appreciate your time and thank you for reminding us of the dangers of this virus and how concerned health care professionals still are
about the future potentially?
Still ahead, another round of primary elections in the U.S, we'll tell you why one of the most closely watched races won't be decided until next week?
Plus, NASCAR's Bubba Wallace speaks to CNN after the FBI determined he was in fact not the victim of a hate crime. Why he says he's still angry
though, coming up?
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GORANI: Voters in several U.S. states cast ballots yesterday in primaries delayed by the Coronavirus pandemic. Kentucky vastly reduced the number of
polling places across the state but didn't experience the huge wait times seen a few weeks ago in Georgia.
There are however many mail in ballots to count meaning it will be days before we know who will face Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell in
November. And there were other interesting races of note Tuesday including the defeat of a candidate endorsed by President Donald Trump in a North
Carolina runoff vote.
Stephen Collinson joins me now live with that. So, where should we start? Let's start with Kentucky, because turnout could break a record there.
There were some complaints that people standing in line at some polling stations because the number of polling stations was reduced, were shut out.
Eventually a judge issued an order that compelled authorities there in Kentucky to keep the doors open. What's going on in a state like Kentucky?
Why is turnout so high?
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, Hala, what's really interesting about Kentucky is as you say a large number of absentee and
mail-in voters. This gives us a real point to what might happen in November, with people worried about going out to vote at their polling
places during the Coronavirus pandemic.
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This of course is also coming at a time when President Donald Trump is basically making all sorts of false claims that mail-in voting invites
fraud so it's very interesting. It shows there's great enthusiasm for voting ahead of the election and by mail.
What that means as you said though is that it can take hours and perhaps even days and even weeks for the results of these elections to come in as
all these mail-in votes accounted. That also gives us a little bit of pause as we look forward to November if we have a selection between Donald Trump
and Joe Biden in the presidential race.
There's every chance that they could take a long time to find out the results and given the way the President has already said that this election
is the most flawed and fraudulent in history. That could point us towards a political crisis.
HALA GORANI, CNN HOST: Right, well, he's saying that and obviously, factually, that is not correct. Mail-in voting has not been shown to
increase fraud. He himself votes by mail. His kids do. The Vice President has, et cetera. In North Carolina, very interesting result.
The GOP challenger beating a Trump-backed candidate and this GOP challenger whose name is Madison Cawthorn is 24 years old. I mean, this can't be good
news for the Trump campaign that the Trump backed candidate is beaten by some newcomer nobody's heard of.
COLLINSON: Certainly and this is a much more down the line, orthodox, conservative Republican that we saw in the years before President Trump
came to power. He's by no a Trumpist, populist candidate. Obviously, this is one primary election. Elections tend to be very small in primaries with
just the most committed activist voters taking part but North Carolina is a state where President Trump must win if he's going to win back the White
House.
It's also a swing state. President Obama actually won it in 2008 so even if there is a small fall off of President Donald Trump's vote in North
Carolina among people, my previously been minded to support a Republican presidential candidate. That could be very bad news.
So there are plenty of caveats but you're exactly right. It's not an encouraging sign, a tool for the President.
GORANI: All right, Stephen Collinson. Thank you. Now to a developing story, we've been following all this week. The FBI now says that NASCAR driver,
Bubba Wallace was in fact not the target of a hate crime.
Investigators say the noose that was found in his garage had been there since last October, long before the garage was assigned to Wallace. He
wasn't assigned this until last week according to NASCAR. The rope was used to pull the garage door closed and wasn't there to racially harass Wallace.
Wallace is the sport's only black top-circuit driver and he tells CNN, he doesn't care how long it's been there but it's still a noose.
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BUBBA WALLACE, NASCAR DRIVER: I'm pissed, I'm mad because people are trying to test my character and the person that I am and my integrity and they're
not stealing that away from me but they're just trying to test that but image that I have and I've seen of what was handing in my garage is not a -
it's not a garage tool. I've - I've been racing all my life.
We've raced out of hundreds of garages that never had garage tools like that. It was a noose that was whether tied in 2019 or whatever, it was a
noose. So it wasn't directed to me but somebody tied a noose. That's what I'm saying. It was - it is a noose.
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GORANI: Well, Nick Valencia is following this story from Talladega, Alabama so that's quite a twist but Bubba Wallace is saying, I don't care that it's
been there for months. It's still a symbol that is offensive.
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right and he you know, we don't want to forget, he led the charge to get the Confederate flag removed from
the sport and many people at the time saw it as a troubling reminder of the racism that exists in NASCAR.
They felt as though that he was targeted and in fact it was a NASCAR president Hala that first mentioned the - the noose to Bubba Wallace. He
made it very clear in his interview with CNN that he never saw the noose. It was a member of his team that spotted it and was so concerned about it
that they elevated it to the NASCAR president who then pulled Bubba Wallace aside in a private conversation to tell him that he was a victim of a hate
crime and you heard from him just there.
He says in his own words that he's pissed. He feels as though some Americans are questioning his integrity. Some have gone so far as to accuse
him of manufacturing a hoax but let's be clear, the DOJ and the FBI and their investigation found no evidence that this was a hate crime.
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There's video in fact on YouTube, Hala, posted in 2019 of this garage. It shows the rope in this garage. A NASCAR saying that there's no way that
anyone could have known that Bubba Wallace was going to use this garage number four here at Talladega when he raced.
But you know this is starting to make you know, these quiet conversations surrounding the sport about you know, the Confederate flag racism among
fans. You know Bubba Wallace is the only top tier black driver in the sport. You know, this has really you know had a lot of conversations going
beyond what we saw here, this past weekend.
The sport is addressing it, saying that they are committed to creating an inclusive environment and Bubba Wallace saying that he feels as though he's
being unfairly targeted and says that he had nothing to do with this at all. Hala.
GORANI: Any reaction from the fans?
VALENCIA: You know, it's interesting because on Sunday, just before the race across the street from where we're standing here, fans were selling
Confederate flag memorabilia after the Confederate flag was removed from the sport so you see fans criticizing NASCAR for what they say is jumping
the gun in a hyper charged environment but NASCAR saying that this was that perhaps the - or not perhaps, that this was the best possible outcome.
They feel as though that they were right in coming out and addressing this very quickly though that has left him open to criticism and that criticism
you know, is pretty vocal even still today. Hala.
GORANI: Nick Valencia in Talladega. Thanks very much. A police officer involved in the fatal shooting of Breonna Taylor in Louisville, Kentucky
has been fired, three months after her death.
This is the name, Breonna Taylor that we've heard a lot over the last few weeks. Detective Brett Hankinson received a letter of his termination,
Tuesday. Louisville's Police Chief says he found Hankinson's conduct to be 'a shock to the conscience.'
Taylor, a 26 year old black emergency worker was shot eight times after police broke down her door and in an attempted drug sting. No drugs were
found and none of the officers involved have been charged.
Still ahead, we'll take you inside one of Beijing's coronavirus testing centers, as officials try to contain a cluster of cases there. Just how
many tests they can do in one day may surprise you and coronavirus balancing act in the U.K. Find out why some of Britain's top doctors are
alarmed at the reopening of shops, pubs and restaurants. We'll be right back.
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GORANI: Around the world we're watching some nations recovering from the coronavirus pandemic, while others are struggling to get the virus under
control. Globally we've reach more than 9.2 million confirmed cases according to Johns Hopkins University with more than 2.3 million of those
recorded in the United States.
Because the number of cases keeps rising in the U.S., Europe is considering blocking Americans from visiting. It's an extreme measure as the EU looks
to prevent another surge as it opens back up. Latin America and the Caribbean are also hard hit by the pandemic.
At this stage, there are more than 100,000 deaths in that region with half of those in Brazil. Back in China where the pandemic began, Beijing is
experiencing a fresh outbreak of coronavirus cases. Authorities are conducting mass testing to get a cluster of infections under control.
Officials say the outbreak is being managed but they warned there will be new cases as the testing continues. CNN correspondent David Culver takes us
to one of the Chinese capital's biggest testing sites.
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DAVID CULVER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Here in China you're looking at one of many mass testing sites that have been set up particularly within Beijing.
This is following the wholesale food cluster outbreaks that happened more than a week ago. They'd say it's now under control but they are continuing
testing in massive numbers and you've got here 19 rows set up.
This for 19 different communities that feed into this one mass testing site. Once people have registered, they're taken across this little way
here, into these lines and let me show you where they end up. It's almost like getting in rides at an amusement park. You're getting in line there if
you will.
I'll show you. Follow me over here and this is where the actual testing is done. It takes about 30 seconds. They've got about 100 staff members that
work on two hour shifts and there they do the throat swab. They then take that sample and they'll put it in a refrigerator and then move on to the
next person.
Usually it takes just a few days' time to get the results back and most people are only notified if they have a positive result. You can see over
here, this is where the staff will take off all of their PPE, all of their protective equipment and they'll throw it away. It's kept in a safe
separate area and the other staff that are about ready to come on shift, they get changed, suited up and go through a sanitation procedure in a
separate facility to then keep this going really from 9:00 in the morning until 10:00 at night.
In three days' time that this has been operating, they've done about 20,000 tests. This was built overnight so they pop up relatively quickly. They
will keep it going for as long as they need to, here within Beijing and they say as of now, they feel like they're on a good path and keeping this
most recent cluster outbreaks under control.
But they are saying complacency is what they're trying to avoid with all of this. David Culver, CNN, Beijing.
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GORANI: Well, health experts in the U.K. are issuing some strong warnings about a likely second wave of coronavirus infections and that comes as
Prime Minister Boris Johnson says the country is ready to rise from hibernation.
His plan is to reopen pubs and restaurants on July 4. The U.K. has one of the world's highest death tolls from Covid-19 per capita. Public health
leaders have just published a plea in the British medical journal saying urgent action is needed to prevent further loss of life.
Dr. Chaand Nagpaul is one of the physicians sounding the alarm about a second spike of Covid-19 cases. He's Chair of the Council of the British
Medical Association and joins me now. You're sounding the alarm on a second wave but we're still in the first wave here.
Do you think it's a bit too early to open pubs and restaurants and museums and bars?
DR. CHAAND NAGPAUL, CHAIR, BRITISH MEDICAL ASSOCIATION: I think we have to be very cautious because what the government has said is that it will open
these facilities with mitigations but what we haven't understood what those mitigations are.
So what we - what we need to be aware of is that in the U.K., we still have significant circulating spreads of the infection, an estimated 35,000
people as we speak are infected with coronavirus in the U.K.
The infection - the virus is just as infectious and contagious at it was when the pandemic started so if people mix and they're not given the right
protections, you will basically spread infections. As simple as that.
And we've seen across the globe, outbreaks in other countries. Germany that was doing extremely well in Europe, have now had to lockdown two areas
because of local outbreaks so none of us can be complacent and my biggest concern on behalf of the medical profession in the U.K. and in fact echoed
by leaders of other medical organizations and nursing profession too, is that the government must be extremely cautious about how the lockdown is
eased and exactly how we will mitigate against spread if people start being closer to each other and mixing more you know, between each other.
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GORANI: But you say yourself, we don't know what these mitigating factors are and we've all been to pubs and bars and restaurants. You know, you
can't wear a facemask. There's no point really. You're not going to stand two meters away from somebody when you're at a bar, even one meter is
virtually impossible.
So you know, I guess we're going to have to wait and see. We're going to have to open up and then see in 2 - 3 weeks down the line after July 4, was
this a good idea?
NAGPAUL: I don't think that's the right way to go about it to wait and see. I think the government should put in place the measures it says. It uses
the word Covid-secure opening of new facilities so we need to see exactly before the pubs or bars open, how will the government maintain social
distancing.
Will there be protective screens. It might not be the same environments of a bar but if made the date but if it may be something that people will
prefer to a bar being closed but will you be able to have protection that way. Of course you can't where face coverings in a bar but that in fact, in
the U.K. at the moment there is face covering usage in general in an indoor places.
There is a requirement now to up to wear face coverings in public transport but not in supermarkets and shops and other indoor facilities and we would
like the PMO to see that being the norm because we know that this virus spread through droplets. We know that wearing a face covering can reduce
that from the wearer can reduce spread by about 80 to 90 percent.
And we know if two people near each other are both wearing face coverings, you reduce that infection risk, that transmission risks to about 1.5
percent so we want the government to make sure that those sorts of mitigations, the physical protection of screens for example in public areas
are all in place before the lockdown is eased further.
GORANI: Right and would you - do you think it's a good idea to limit or even ban travel from countries that have high infection rates into the U.K.
like the United States or Brazil or Russia? Do you think that's a - that's a good protective measure?
NAGPAUL: I think we have to follow the right science here. Remember, this is become a global situation after it started in one part of the world and
spread so we know that this is a highly infectious virus that does spread from nation to nation.
So each nation needs to have the right measures to prevent further spread and that in fact benefits all of us because if you get a second wave of a
pandemic or sorry, an epidemic in one country, that place is at risk you know globally.
So we do need to make sure there are stringent measures to not spend this infection globally and so you know I think the other thing to say is that
in the U.K. at least, we are also concerned around the test and trace system because you can contain this virus, if you do what South Korea did,
if you do what New Zealand did which is to act very promptly in identifying those people who are infected.
You identify their contacts, you isolate them and if you do that the virus doesn't spread but to be able to do that, you have to have a really
comprehensive testing strategy and a public health contact tracing strategy and in the U.K. we were - while we were told by the government that we
would have an Act in place a month ago, that has been pushed back now.
We're not sure when we'll get that Act and so those are the sorts of issues that every nation needs to grapple with, having a very, very competent and
prompt test and trace system.
GORANI: Yes and not all countries have managed to pull that off successfully so you know, you're one of the signatories of the letter,
asking officials certainly to increase and improve preparedness for potential second wave.
First of all, we talk about a second wave as though it's inevitable, is it?
NAGPAUL: No. I wouldn't say that our starting position is that a second wave is inevitable. We need to make every possible effort and leave no
stone unturned to prevent a second wave. That is why we have called for this rapid review.
And this rapid review that we've called for alongside other signatories, it goes beyond party politics. It's not a review by the government. It's to
bring together the various political parties and have a cross-parliamentary commission review within weeks so that we learn from what has happened in
the past and make sure we're therefore better prepared for the future. So we must prevent as far as we can a second spike.
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The second thing to say is that if there is an outbreak--
HALA GORANI, CNN HOST: Yes.
NAGPAUL: --in the UK, if you capture the area where you have an outbreak and you act promptly - again, you need a proper agile test and tracing
system - you can contain the virus in that local area by having a local lockdown. So our aim would be to prevent--
GORANI: And that's - sorry to just jump in because I just want to - I wanted your opinion about what they're doing in Germany. That's what
they're - I mean, they were congratulated and presented as a model of how to manage the pandemic in the early days, but then they've had this huge
outbreak in a meat processing plant. And what they've done is they've basically fenced off one area rather than implement a nationwide lockdown.
Is that what our future is going to look like, do you think, until we get a vaccine, where little spikes in localized areas will be sort of contained
locally?
NAGPAUL: Yes. So the one thing that they did do well is they identified the 1,500 quickly. And they've now taken an approach to contain the spread of
the virus to those areas by a local lockdown. Now, that may well be what we need to do because that is surely better than having an entire nation have
to go into a second severe lockdown.
So it makes sense, and that measure has been also employed in some of the other nations in the east such as South Korea where you act at the first
signs of an outbreak, you don't wait for it to become a national problem. So that is, I believe, the way in which nations need to act promptly to
stop the spread across the country.
GORANI: Yes. Dr. Chaand Nagpaul, thank you very much - the Chair of the British Medical Association Council, thank you for joining us on CNN.
Russia is celebrating with a bit of delay the 75th anniversary of defeating the Nazis in World War II with a massive military parade in Moscow. The
Victory Day Parade was originally postponed because of the pandemic, but now falls one week before a crucial vote that could allow President
Vladimir Putin to stay in power for another 15 years. CNN's Matthew Chance has more on this.
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's extraordinary to see how Russia is staging this massive military parade
even as the coronavirus pandemic continues to ravage the country. Officials say measures have been put in place to prevent mass infections.
More than 14,000 socially distanced troops were held in quarantine for two weeks before the event took place, as were the invited veterans of the
Second World War, some now in their 90s, who watched the parade to mark the end of that conflict 75 years ago from specially built platforms on Red
Square.
Speaking ahead of the march-past, Russia's President, Vladimir Putin, paid tribute to the Soviet and allied soldiers killed in the conflict, but he
also spoke about the present, calling for international cooperation to solve current global problems. Take a listen.
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VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (Translated): We understand how important it is to strengthen friendship and trust between peoples and are open to
dialogue and cooperation on the most pressing issues on the international agenda. Among them, the creation of a common, reliable security system,
which a complex, rapidly changing world needs.
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CHANCE: Well, it's the political backdrop though that's perhaps the most interesting aspect of this annual Victory Day Parade. This extravagant
display of military power and patriotism comes just a week before Russia decides on a new constitution that could allow Putin already in power since
2000 to remain in charge until 2036. Now, his approval ratings have been at all-time lows in recent months. And despite the public health concerns, the
lifting of pandemic restrictions and the staging of this military parade may help bolster the Kremlin's popularity ahead of that crucial vote.
Matthew Chance, CNN.
GORANI: And this news just in to CNN. A U.S. Appeals Court has ordered a lower court to dismiss Michael Flynn's case, which effectively exonerates
him if there are no more appeals. President Trump's Former National Security Adviser pleaded guilty twice to lying to the FBI about his
conversations with the Russian Ambassador.
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Last month, the Justice Department moved to dismiss the case, but the trial judge asked for a review of the decision. The Appeals Court found that the
judge didn't have enough reason to question the Justice Department decision. So Michael Flynn, obviously, the Former National Security
Adviser, didn't spend much time in his post, having admitted to lying to the FBI twice with this dismissal by an appeals court there supporting the
decision to dismiss the case.
Coming up on the program, another company joins the movement to stop the spread of hate, calling on the social media giant to make changes. Details
on this current campaign coming up.
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GORANI: The Facebook ad boycott is growing. Now, ice-cream make Ben & Jerry's announced that it's pulling advertising from Facebook and Instagram
beginning July 1st. Several companies have joined the StopHateForProfit campaign, a group of civil rights organizations launched this last week.
They accuse the social media giant of failing to address hate messages in a meaningful way. Facebook says it aims to have conversations with campaign
organizers about being a force for good.
CNN Tech Reporter Brian Fung joins me now live from Washington, D.C. with more. And Facebook has been criticized before for allowing some groups to
either post factually incorrect messages or hate groups to have a platform. But I guess this is different because these are corporations essentially -
potentially hurting Facebook in the pocket book by pulling advertising money.
BRIAN FUNG, CNN TECHNOLOGY REPORTER: Yes. Hala, it looks like this boycott is really gaining steam with joining of Ben & Jerry's to this campaign. Let
me read a little bit of the statement that Ben & Jerry's put out yesterday on its website. Ben & Jerry's is "calling for Facebook to take stronger
action to stop its platforms from being used to divide our nation, suppress voters, foment and fan the flames of racism and violence, and undermine our
democracy." So some very strong words here from Ben & Jerry's.
Of course, it's not the only company to be joining this boycott. In recent days, we've seen companies, including Eddie Bauer, Patagonia, The North
Face, REI, and Magnolia Pictures, which is the film studio behind movies like "Man on Wire" and "Food, Inc.," all coming out against Facebook saying
that they're responsible for spreading misinformation and hate speech and that they won't support the company for as long as it does so, calling for
a boycott of these platforms for about a month in July.
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Of course, some of these companies have said they'll go further potentially indicating that this boycott could last beyond July. Others have said that
they will in addition to pulling their ads from Facebook and Instagram, they'll also suspend any organic content being created on those platforms.
So, posts created by those companies on their accounts that are unpaid and are just normal content.
Of course, it's - none of these companies have said how much money they pour into Facebook every year. So we're a little bit in the dark as far as
how much this really hurts Facebook's bottom line. But with every new company that comes out in support of this campaign, that's further fuelling
this PR crisis for Facebook as it faces this backlash against how it's handled content on its platform.
GORANI: All right. Brian Fung, thanks very much, coming to us from Washington.
It is a busy day for football in the Premier League, and Liverpool can come one step closer to ending a 30-year title drought - is what I'm being told.
We'll be right back with that.
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GORANI: All right. Welcome back. It's another busy day of sports. And joining me now to talk about that is Don Riddell. What can we expect today?
DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: Five games in the Premier League, Hala. When was the last time that we could say that? And it's particularly important
for Liverpool. They're one of the biggest brand names in world football. They've got fans all over the planet. For them, it has been an agonizing
30-year wait for a title delayed further by the coronavirus pandemic, but they are now closing in on what would be their first-ever Premier League
title.
The Reds have actually dominated the league before the lockdown in March. Now they know that a win against Crystal Palace later this Wednesday will
put them within touching distance. Liverpool need a total of just five points to do it. And if they win today and if Manchester City fail to win
Chelsea on Thursday, then the wait will be over. Manager Jurgen Klopp has been watching that title rivals Man City in action, reflecting on just how
good his own team has been this season.
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JURGEN KLOPP, LIVERPOOL MANAGER: But I realized when I watched the game last night just how is it possible that anybody is 20 points ahead of this
team. That's pretty much unthinkable actually. And that's something because - so we must have done a couple of things really, really well and right
that we could have situation there. But no, I don't think about City can catch us or whatever. I think about Crystal Palace. I'm really only
concerned about what we are doing, and I'm only thinking about what we have to do in the next game and not what City is doing. I watch them because we
play them in less than a week - so in eight days, nine days. And that's why I watch them, and not for hoping that they lose over there. I was never
like this. Maybe I wanted them to lose last year against Leicester, but that didn't work really well. So that's why I have stopped doing that.
RIDDELL: Meanwhile, on Tuesday, Tottenham got their first win since the lockdown, beating West Ham, two-nil of home (ph). It's a result - I mean,
Spurs had renewed hope of finishing in the top four and clenching at Champions League place that took the lead with an own goal midway through
the second half before Harry Kane settled it eight minutes from time. These are bonus games for Kane. The lockdown gave him the chance to recover from
an injury, which could have finished his season.
In Spain, the title race in La Liga remains tight after Barcelona's narrow victory against Athletic Bilbao. Just a one goal in it coming 90 minutes
from time scored by substitute Ivan Rakitic.
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And although it was far from convincing performance, the result does at least put pressure on Barca's title rival's Real Madrid.
Here's the table. As it stands, the catalons are three points ahead of Madrid, but that could change when Real play Mallorca later this Wednesday.
If Real win, they'd be level on points with Barca, but they would sit on top of the table by virtue of their head-to-head record.
Now then in tennis, the fallout continues from Novak Djokovic's positive test for the coronavirus, after the ill-fated, not to mention the ill-
advised Adria Tour series was scrapped. The world number one returned to his home in Belgrade and issued an apology video.
Djokovic was the third player to test positive from the series. His wife also now has the virus. Other players who weren't on the tour have been
critical. Nick Kyrgios says it was boneheaded. Andy Murray criticized it too. But Murray said it won't necessarily jeopardize upcoming events like
the U.S. Open in New York.
ANDY MURRAY, THREE-TIME MAJOR CHAMPION: I have seen some people who said that maybe this sort of puts U.S. Open in doubt, which it may well do, but
this - the measures and the protocols they have in place so far in the U.S. is completely different than what was going on in Serbia and Croatia.
Obviously, there will be no fans for a start and I think all of the players now would be extremely aware that we can be impacted by this and
coronavirus doesn't care who we are or what we do. And we need to - yes, we need to respect - we need to respect and respect the rules.
RIDDELL: That's an extraordinary story. The U.S. Open is still going ahead, but remains to be seen which players will be there in New York to play it.
Back to you.
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GORANI: Right. Thank you, Don, very much. Kim Brunhuber will join you next. I'm Hala Gorani. I will see you tomorrow.
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KIM BRUNHUBER, CNN HOST, CONNECT THE WORLD: Hello and welcome to another hour of "Connect The World." I'm Kim Brunhuber in Atlanta.
Ahead this hour, a dangerous surge of coronavirus cases in the United States, as more than half of the states see infections go up. Also ahead,
the European Union debates blocking visitors from the U.S. or any country which has yet to bring the pandemic under control.
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