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U.S. Secretary of State: Iran 3-4 Months Away From Making Bomb; U.S., Iran Hold Indirect Talks In Vienna In Bid To Revive Deal; Benjamin Netanyahu Picked To Form Israeli Government; IMF Warns Economic Recovery From COVID-19 May Leave Many Nations Behind; UK PM: Too Soon To Know If International Travel Will Happen In Summer; Kremlin Critic Says No Plans To End His Hunger Strike. Aired 10-10:35a ET

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BECKY ANDERSON, CNNI HOST: This hour Iran nuclear talks underway in Vienna. Well, it moved the needle on the United States' returned to the Accord.

Plus, less than 24 hours after going to court over corruption charges Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu gets the green light to form a new government.

And North Korea pulls out of the Olympics. Why that is a diplomatic blow for South Korea? I'm Becky Anderson in Abu Dhabi. Hello and welcome to

"Connect the World". It is the seventh day of testimony in the trial of Derek Chauvin for the death of George Floyd. We are waiting for today's

testimony to begin and we will take you to that trial just as soon as that happens.

First up, though, it's here the moment of truth. Can the Iranian nuclear deal be saved once and for all who right now talks being held in Vienna to

try and revive the agreement abandoned by U.S. President Donald Trump three years ago?

The United States and Iran will not speak directly the five other nations which are part of the original accord, meeting with Iranian officials now,

to try and salvage the deal. No one, though, is under any illusion that this will be easy.

Iran's main demand sanctions relief in return for reducing its uranium enrichment to acceptable levels. The U.S. says no concessions before

compliance on the part of the Iranians. Nic Robertson shows us how we got to this point and what could happen next.

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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR (voice over): 2015 the Iran nuclear deal, the JCPOA is signed lengthening Iran's breakout timeline

to making a nuclear bomb to a year.

DONALD TRUMP, 45TH U.S. PRESIDENT: The United States will withdraw.

ROBERTSON (voice over): 2018 President Trump unilaterally pulls out ratchets up rhetoric and sanctions. Iran responds, incrementally breaking

the terms of the deal. February 19th 2021 President Joe Biden's Administration reverses Trump's JCPOA decision.

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: --said we were prepared to re engage in negotiations with the P-5 plus one.

ROBERTSON (voice over): Iran's time to a possible bomb according to Secretary of State Antony Blinken, now only three to four months the

difficulty for Biden how to rejoin the JCPOA.

MOHAMMAD JAVAD ZARIF, IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTER: All the sanctions have to be removed; the United States must gain re entry to the JCPOA. It is not

automatic. It's not a revolving door.

ROBERTSON (voice over): Since Trump pulled out Iran began flouting the deal shortening the potential time to make a bomb, producing more than 13 times

the agreed 300 kilogram limit of low enriched uranium using illegal centrifuges to enrich uranium to a level higher than allowed by the 2015

deal.

And lots more even refusing the world's nuclear watchdog the International Atomic Energy Agency as inspectors access to some sites. Its director flies

to Tehran.

RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI, DIRECTOR GENERAL, IAEA: We got a reasonable result after what was a very, very intensive consultation negotiation.

ROBERTSON (voice over): Iran dodges censure. But U.S. entry to the JCPOA is still blocked.

ANTHONY BLINKEN, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: We said we would attend Iran so far said no, I think the ball is in their court to see if they are serious

about re engaging or not.

ROBERTSON (voice over): Almost a month later, a small break through a virtual JCPOA meet minus the U.S. The step brings face to face talks in

Vienna, April 6th, with U.S. representatives in this city, but not at the talks table. Iran's position still unchanged, adding no Iran U.S. meeting

unnecessary. Even so U.S. Special Envoy for Iran, Robert Malley will be in Vienna.

JEN PSAKI, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: What is happening in the coming days is really focused on indirect talks that are happening through the

Europeans.

ROBERTSON (voice over): No breakthrough expected Iran now closer to having a bomb and holding out for U.S. concessions. Nic Robertson, CNN, London.

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ANDERSON: Well, CNN's Fred Pleitgen has traveled extensively to Iran over the years. He's covered this deal for us from the beginning. He joins us

now from Vienna and, Fred the important question here is, who is at the table and more importantly who is not at this point?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: What and who's at which table? I think that's also one of the big questions as well Becky.

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And right now, what you have is you have the Iranians and the P-4 plus one country, if you will, right now minus the United States, the other

signatories who are still in the Iran nuclear deal.

And they're negotiating with the Iranians about what the Iranians and in what timetable, the Iranians would be able to go or would be willing to go

back into full compliance with the Iran nuclear deal? And I think we just saw in Nic's report, they're very clearly some of the things that obviously

the international community and also the other signatories of the Iran nuclear deal are concerned about the fact that Iran is making more enriched

uranium.

And it's making higher enriched uranium, some of the research that's going on some of the centrifuges that apparently are in the process of being made

and being stored as well. Those are all things where the other signatory state Iran needs to come back into compliance.

At the same time, of course, the Iranians are saying that they have not breached the JCPOA. They say that they are simply reaching certain

amendments or certain parts of the JCPOA but sticking to the agreement as a whole.

And the Iranians are saying that the U.S. is the one that needs to come back into compliance for compliance and drop all the sanctions that were

put in place under the Trump Administration. Now, that U.S. delegation is here in Vienna at a different venue.

So essentially, what we have here, Becky, right now is shuttle diplomacy in a microcosm in Vienna shuttle diplomacy in Vienna, if you will, with

delegates going back and forth, briefing the United States on what's going on in the negotiations with the Iranians and vice versa to see if at some

point, the two can come to a position that essentially can be married with one another, to then come to a conclusion.

And then get all parties back on track with the Iran nuclear deal, of course, as Nic noted, also in his report, that's still pretty far off. And

all parties are saying this is simply the beginning of what they know could be a long process but at the same time, of course, also a race against

time, Becky.

ANDERSON: Fred Pleitgen is in Vienna Fred always a pleasure thank you. Saudi Arabia closely looking on from the sidelines hoping to become

directly involved in future nuclear talks. I spoke to the Saudi Foreign Minister last week about the chances of that happening, have a listen.

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PRINCE FAISAL BIN FARHAN AL SAUD, SAUDI FOREIGN MINISTER: Let me be clear, the countries that are most at risk from a nuclear power - nuclear armed

Iran, other countries in the region, including, of course, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the GCC states.

So it's entirely logical that we should be part of the discussion and part of the dialogue. And we hear from our European and American partners that

they understand that the concerns of the countries of the region must be addressed and must we must have a role in those discussions and in those

negotiations.

We are in a dialogue now with our international partners as to how our role and our concerns in those discussions can be addressed. We think we should

be at the table. As I said, we are the country's most threatened therefore, it's only right that we'd be at the table.

And of course, Iran has repeatedly said that it's interested in having a dialogue with its neighbors about regional security, and what is not an

issue of regional security, if not the nuclear issue. So if Iran wants to have a dialogue with us, that is fine but we think we should have that

dialogue as part of the discussions with the JCPOA.

And that can then help to allay our concerns to a great deal. If we are at the table, we will see. We hope that we will see an Iran that comes back

into compliance and that agrees to address the concerns that we have both about the deficiencies in the previous JACPOA structure, but also, of

course, regional stability and ballistic missiles and other issues.

ANDERSON: Bottom line, how realistic is it that you can be at the same table as the Iranians on any JCPOA negotiations?

AL SAUD: I think it's entirely realistic.

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ANDERSON: It was the comments part of my comprehensive interview with Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud conducted last week. You can watch that

now on cnn.com.

Well, the political deadlock in Israel, it's so great that the president says and I quote him here he fears for his country. President Reuven Rivlin

announced a few hours ago that he will give Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu the first chance at forming a new Israeli Government.

That is because for the fourth time in two years Israeli voters have gone to the polls but with no clear winning coalition in parliament emerging,

but along with the political deadlock, Mr. Rivlin said the decision was difficult morally and ethically.

Well, it came a day after Mr. Netanyahu appeared in court is a defendant in his corruption trial. Hadas Gold is in Jerusalem and with more. What is

Hadas is hesitant path forward it seems for Israeli politics at this point explain?

HADAS GOLD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So for the president today was tasked with giving out the mandate for who can form the next government. And in a

televised speech as well as a series of tweets he laid out how we came to this decision.

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And it was very clear in listening to the speech, his frustration, his sadness and his reluctance with the decision that he had to make, which was

to give Netanyahu the mandate to try and form the government.

He pretty much - laid out that Netanyahu had the most number of recommendations from these really proud apparently, he had 52. Now that's

not enough to have a majority in parliament, but compared to the rest of the candidates he had the most.

But President Rivlin did say this, let me pull up one of his tweets, he said, the results of the consultations that were open to all leading me to

believe that no candidate has a realistic chance of forming a new government that will have the confidence of the Knesset.

In fact, if the law would allow me to do so I would give the decision back to the Knesset. President Rivlin also addressed the situation that we have

at hand at this moment is actually happening this week, which is that Netanyahu is on trial.

He's facing three separate cases related to bribery, breach of trust and fraud. In fact, as you noted, just yesterday, he was in court listening to

the deputy state prosecutor lay out in their opening statement, the case against him, the first witness has been on the stand in the past two days.

But the president said that the courts have decided that a prime minister can continue serving while being indicted. But he did offer this other

tweet, which you quoted in your introduction, just goes to show you just how he feels about this whole situation.

He wrote this is not an easy decision on a moral and ethical basis in my mind. As I said, at the beginning of my remarks, the State of Israel is not

to be taken for granted. And I fear for my country, Becky.

ANDERSON: You mentioned that this comes just less than 24 hours after Netanyahu appeared in court for his corruption trial. This is quite the

split screen as we might describe it in television terms. I wonder, what does the public think of this?

GOLD: Well, Becky, I think a lot of the public's opinions of Netanyahu are honestly already baked in. There's not much that might happen during the

corruption trial, what witnesses might say that could change how the public or either how the other politicians that Netanyahu is trying to negotiate

with right now how they feel about him?

However, there is a sense that if Netanyahu is successful in building a strong a coalition that will have enough seats in the parliament, if he's

successful in doing so, if he is successful in staying in power, then there is a fear from his opponents from his critics, that he could pass new laws

or change the judiciary.

He's been very vocal that he thinks that the judiciary needs some reform that those could be done in a way that could help him in this case, either

maybe even stopping it, appointing a new attorney general, something that could help him in this case. There is that fear that should he stay in

power that could happen.

But in terms of how this trial is affecting the public of mood of him, everything just seems completely baked in. And I think that's really

contributing to the stalemate. We're in the political stalemate we're in and we have been in here for the past two years where it doesn't seem like

the levers are really moving in a certain direction.

And that's why, despite the fact that Israelis might not like to hear it, every single day that passes it seems that we may actually be heading

closer and closer towards a fifth election here.

ANDERSON: Hadas Gold is on the story for you, Hadas, thank you for that. And connecting you now to Israel's improving relations with some of its

Middle East neighbors today, the UAE's flag carrier Airline Etihad completed its first regularly scheduled flight between its home base in Abu

Dhabi and Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv, Israel.

The UAE's Ambassador to Israel new position, of course and the Israeli head of mission to the UAE were both on board. Well, the COVID clouds sitting on

the global economy maybe starting to clear. The International Monetary Fund today rolling out a lot of numbers.

This was just a short time ago, basically letting the world know, growth is on the way. The IMF raising its 2021 forecast significantly, during its

annual spring meetings which are going on at present. Now the U.S. predicted to be the main driver but the IMF also warning there won't be

bells and whistles for every country.

I'm connecting you to New York where CNN's Clare Sebastian has been crunching the numbers and looking at the nuances of what is this expected

rebound? What have you found?

CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Becky, as you say, this is a big upgrade. The view from the IMF is that a way out of this crisis is now as

they say, increasing the visible. Let's look at the numbers.

Last year of course, we saw a 3.3 percent contraction a historic contraction for the global economy. This year 2021 they now predict 6

percent growth in that moderate slightly to 4.4 percent next year, as expected.

The U.S. as you say the biggest contributor they expected to grow 6.4 percent this year. Now the reason is the vaccine rollout that has been

accelerating. We're really starting to see Becky how vaccines now equate to more jobs to higher incomes to just the sort of way out of this economic

hole that we find ourselves in?

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But of course, it's not increasingly visible the way out of this for everyone. This is a very multi speed recovery emerging markets. This is a

very multispeed recovery; emerging markets developing economies are going to be the worst hit.

In sharp contrast, the IMF points out to the financial crisis in 2008, which hit advanced economies the most, this is something that is hitting

the most vulnerable groups. And even within those economies, women, young people, people with low income, low skilled jobs, they are being the

hardest hit there.

So despite the fact that we see those clouds parting for the world, as a whole, this is a worrying situation, a really important statistic from the

IMF that I want to bring to you. They say that 95 million people are expected to have dropped below the extreme poverty line 95 million more

than was expected pre pandemic.

This is reversed a two decades long, global poverty reduction efforts. So this is really important. This is a call to arms, Becky to the world to do

more to not let the foot off the gas in terms of policy to fix this.

ANDERSON: Yes, and this, of course, brings to light this idea of vaccine passports that so many governments around the world are now talking about.

And that would be the idea that if you travel with to show that you've been vaccinated and or that you've had Coronavirus already, then you get

opportunities to do more, go to work, travel, whatever it is that those who haven't.

And there is a sort of vaccine rich vaccine poor issue to that isn't there so some ethics and morality sort of around all of this. I don't know if

this occurred to you - you were just talking about those who've been left behind as it were and could be left behind, you know, going forward,

because of COVID.

I just wonder what the numbers for 22 and beyond might be and whether, and we probably won't find this out until next year but whether things have

changed to the extent that we will continue to see two and a half to 3 percent growth going forward?

Clearly, this big bounce in 2021 is the result of, you know, economies reopening. It's what happens after that, isn't it that is going to be

important?

SEBASTIAN: Yes, and I think that is really critical Becky. There's one thing that really stood out to me from this report, and that is that some

of the jobs that were lost are never coming back. I think the way back from this, there's no way back essentially you have to go forward, there has to

be a retooling of the economy to cope with this digitalization that we've seen.

And obviously, when you have a retooling when people have to start new jobs, new careers, there are going to be an income penalty as well. The IMF

points this out. So I think within these sorts of roaring back numbers that we see that there are difficulties on horizon as well. And of course, even

more so in these emerging markets in these sorts of developing economies, many of which, by the way, are reliant on tourism, which is also going to

be slow to come back.

You talk about the vaccine passports that are one element in that as well. So I think as we look at these numbers, you have to look at the sort of

structural issues behind them and how the world rebuilds better from this crisis.

ANDERSON: Yes, absolutely. On a positive note, we also may find out that there have been some opportunities created through COVID and that may

reveal opportunities for jobs and revenue going forward. Clare, it's always a pleasure. Thank you very much indeed. Clare Sebastian has been crunching

the numbers for you.

We'll Abu Dhabi my home base is tops in the world and its response to the COVID-19 pandemic. That is according to the London based analytics

consortium deep knowledge group. Abu Dhabi is followed in the rankings by Seoul, Sydney, Singapore, Ottawa, and Berlin.

The consortium looked at 50 different parameters ranging from health care management and quarantine systems to travel guidelines and vaccination

rates. We should tell you more than half of the eligible population here has already been vaccinated.

The consortium says Abu Dhabi's robust response to the pandemic ensured that it maintained a low rate of positive cases. Also of note, Abu Dhabi's

leading role in Coronavirus research and development and it's established the hope consortium to coordinate delivery of billions of COVID-19 vaccine

doses around the world, positive news.

Well, Russia's top opposition leader not backing down in his latest stand against the Kremlin. Still ahead, Alexey Navalny keeps up his fight from

behind bars in a penal colony but his health paying the price. Plus, Australia and New Zealand moved to create a travel bubble between their

countries which means travel quarantines are going out of the window on both sides of the Tasman Sea.

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ANDERSON: As Britain considers the idea of COVID passports travelers from Australia will soon need just the regular one to go to New Zealand. Prime

Minister Jacinda Arden announced today that travel quarantine rules will stop applying to Australia starting April the 18th. New Zealanders can

already go to Australia without quarantine.

So the new move creates a travel bubble that will apply both ways. Arden says some restrictions stay in place including a ban on people with recent

positive COVID tests. But Arden says the move is not just about travel instead, she says it's an entire new chapter in the COVID response by the

two nations. Angus Watson has more.

ANGUS WATSON, JOURNALIST: Along the way to travel bubble between Australia and New Zealand will come into effect on the 18th of April at 11:59 pm

after Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern of New Zealand announced on Tuesday that it would no longer require travelers from Australia to quarantine in

mandatory isolation for 14 days on arrival.

That offer had already been made by Australia; New Zealanders have been able to come into some Australian States since October without having to do

those 14 days in quarantine. But now that one way travel corridor has become a two way travel bubble.

This is important to both nations as it's a step in the right direction as they continue to do well in preventing Coronavirus from spreading within

their two countries. Both have done particularly well with snap lock downs and lengthy ones that to try to keep Coronavirus at bay.

New Zealand has had just 26 deaths from COVID-19 since the pandemic began Australian 909 and that strong foundation has allowed the two countries to

come together to try to get this travel bubble off the ground.

It's not easy of course, it's very tentative. Both countries have said that they're willing to pop the travel bubble if the COVID-19 situation gets out

of hand in either country and other countries around the region have had trouble getting these travel bubbles off the ground at all.

Hong Kong and Singapore tried to do this late last year that had to be scupper in the final hours as crisis began to rise in Hong Kong. Some more

success however, for Taiwan, which has opened a travel bubble with the tiny island nation of Palau, with Taiwanese tourists able to travel in that

direction.

So hope now for the Australia/New Zealand travel bubble to try to set an example for the rest of the world as it comes out of the COVID-19 pandemic

Angus Watson in Sydney, Australia.

ANDERSON: Well, Europe's economy hinges in large part on travel. The UK with its successful vaccination program was hoping international travel

could resume this summer but the prime minister says it is now too soon to know if that will happen.

But Boris Johnson says when travel does start it will operate under a so called traffic light system. Leading members of the travel industry are

coming out like the CEO of Heathrow Airport saying a clear a timeline is needed. CNN's Reporter Salma Abdelaziz is in London where these decisions

are being made.

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You can understand what the travel industry is going all about here. You know, it's very difficult, isn't it for all of us, you might want to travel

to make any plans when things aren't clear, but in the prime minister's defense, the problem is things are still not clear.

SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN REPORTER: Absolutely, Becky. And I mean, I think you could kind of hear hearts breaking across the country yesterday had been

highly anticipated highly expected that Prime Minister Boris Johnson would come out and say, you can have your summer vacation now go ahead and book

it. That is absolutely not what happened.

You got a much more cautious approach from the prime minister who essentially said, look, we have to be realistic. There are surges that are

happening in Europe, those are many of the destination countries. And there are fears that the virus could be re imported from abroad.

So I hope, I hope, but I cannot guarantee that flights will resume on May 17th. And on that traffic light system, of course, you have this green,

amber and red system. But again, how quickly will that switch? You remember last summer when countries were changing status so quickly that people were

getting stuck in airports, unaware of where they should go to next?

The other matter that was on the agenda for the prime minister, that again, you got a very muted response, we expected a bit more from it with the

COVID status certifications, what people call vaccine passports, again, the prime minister, very cautious on that because of some opposition he's faced

take a listen.

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BORIS JOHNSON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Be realistic. Handle this now, I do not wish to start a system that's that discriminatory. What is certainly

true is that the idea of vaccination status being useful for international travel is something that all countries are looking at. I do think that's

going to be part of our - of the way people deal with it.

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ABDELAZIZ: So you're hear the prime minister there really hedging his bets. Yes, internationally that's something that everybody is looking at that

might be required for international travel, but domestically, can this also be used to allow you access to a sports event or a concert or a nightclub?

The government is piloting that they're testing that we'll find out but this vaccine passport is also creating a great deal of controversy, Becky.

ANDERSON: Salma Abdelaziz is in London for you. And we will be back here from Abu Dhabi after this.

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ANDERSON: Well, we're back with "Connect the World". I'm Becky Anderson and this show is from Abu Dhabi for you. We're going to connect you to the

latest now push back by Russian Opposition Leader Alexey Navalny.

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ANDERSON: He has been on a hunger strike in prison since last week and now he says he has no plans to stop despite a tuberculosis outbreak among his

cell mates and despite a high temperature and bad cough that he developed himself.

Navalny is on strike because he says he was denied proper medical care. A Russian newspaper reported Monday that Navalny was moved to a medical unit

with acute respiratory infection. The Kremlin says Navalny will not receive any special treatment in prison.

With more perspective on all this, we're joined now by Natan Sharansky. He's a former dissident who spent nine years in Soviet prisons. He later

moved to Israel and served as a cabinet member there. He joins us from Jerusalem. What sort of conditions will Alexey Navalny be dealing with in

that penal colony?

NATAN SHARANSKY, FORMER SOVIET DISSIDENT: Well, so he is - there are no rules. There are official there are rules, but they demonstrate him very

clearly that he is willing in their hands and they can do whatever they want. They don't let him drag normal to sleep, they wake him up every hour,

under the pretext that he can escape try to run away.

And that's why they have to check every hour, whether he is in the place is because it's ridiculous. He himself came to Russia, so to be arrested, and

in any way they want to demonstrate human many different ways that, that they are the bosses, they - he can spend the rest of his life in prison and

the protects they will find the pretext.

And of course, they will say to him that if he wants, they'll take care of his health. He has to be what means to be failed that he has to stop

challenging President Putin, that's all.

ANDERSON: You yourself spent nine years in Soviet prisons. You were once the world's most famous Soviet hunger striker, given what you've just said,

do you fear for Alexey Navalny's life at this point?

SHARANSKY: Well, of course, there are reasons to be concerned about his life. You have to decide that in order to decide that now you start hunger

strike, and they will have continue this hunger strike until they will meet your demands, or you will die. You must be really feel - that you are in

the middle of the struggle of challenging the regime.

And the leading of this struggle and encouraging other people not to be afraid is more important for you than physical survival. And, in fact, here

by the beginning this hunger strike he shows to regime, you want to kick me out the control by making me fear, I am not afraid of you. I'm not even

afraid to die.

But I want to remain free person in prison. And that's what he's doing now. And the one who, once I spent 110 days, the hunger strikes until they met

my demands. I do know that this there is a moment when the question is whether you will be alive or not is not important for you?

The question is as long as you don't give up to their pressure, you're free person, and you can encourage the others to be free. That's what in his

mind now I think.

ANDERSON: That's remarkable that you hear - that I hear you say that because that's a long time to be on a hunger strike. And you say that it's

one possible and two, you're encouraged by encouraging others. I mean, you were what were known as a Refusenik back in the 70s and 80s.

I just wonder, for the benefit of our viewers who may never have heard from somebody who's been on a hunger strike before what is your body goes

through? What will Alexey Navalny be experiencing at this point?

SHARANSKY: Well, let's say the first 10 days, or 15 days it depends, you'll become simply weaker. It's very important in these days, not to lye 24

hours on the bed but to try to walk and to make exercise as long as you can do it.

And after 10, 12 and 15 days, it depends. They'll start force feeding you once in three days at least it was in my case, which is torture by itself.

And when they by force open your mouth and put a special thing into your throat and pour, two liters or several mixtures and then suddenly your all

your body is almost exploding.

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Your heart is beating 200 or whatever, per second. And, but then in half an hour, you're relieved. You feel yourself strong. You can make some

exercises. And for the first five, six hours, it's OK. And then you are becoming weaker and weaker--

ANDERSON: This is fascinating.

SHARANSKY: Yes.

ANDERSON: I'm going to have to stop you because we need to get to the trial of Former Police Officer accused of - I'm sorry sir. It's fascinating to

talk to you. I'll have you back absolutely. I've just got to get to the trial of the former police officer accused of the murder of George Floyd.

We'll get to that now. But sir, I promise we'll have you back.

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