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BECKY ANDERSON, CNNI HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the world stage welcomes back America. G7 leaders gearing up for an in-person summit. We're live in
Cornwall for you.
Vaccine inequality high on the G7 agenda. We'll connect you to Uganda where fewer than 20,000 doses remain.
Plus:
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WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Recent rains put a small dent in a big problem, a problem scientists predict will only get worse.
ANDERSON (voice-over): In Taiwan's climate crisis, a severe drought now forcing authorities to limit water supplies.
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ANDERSON: Hello and welcome. This is CONNECT THE WORLD. I'm Becky Anderson.
This hour world leaders jetting into southern England, the summit of the world's most advanced economies, kicking off at a time when the world needs
to unite more than ever. The COVID divide getting wider while infections are decreasing in much of Europe and North America.
Cases in Africa have risen by nearly 25 percent over the last week. The continent also lagging far behind in vaccinations -- the comparison on your
screen right now. Shocking. British prime minister Boris Johnson is urging G7 leaders to ramp up global sharing schemes to ensure all countries have
ample access to vaccines by the end of 2022.
Also on that G7 agenda, China's growing dominance on the geopolitical chess board. Australia's prime minister says he's going to push G7 leaders to
support new penalties for coercive trade practices.
This as the U.S. Senate passes a bill to compete with the rise of Chinese technology. U.S. President Joe Biden currently en route to that summit
right now. Next week he'll also -- certainly plans to meet with NATO allies as well with the Russian president. Have a listen.
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JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: (INAUDIBLE) alliance, make it clear to Putin and to China that Europe and the United States are tight
and G7 is going to move.
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ANDERSON: As Jeff Zeleny reports, the week ahead will be a big test for America's re-emerging role on the world stage.
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JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Joe Biden is stepping onto the world stage for the first time as president and equal
to foreign leaders after spending a lifetime as someone's envoy. As Air Force One touches down today in the United Kingdom, Biden has made clear
his intent on assuring the world that democracy works and is alive in the America.
BIDEN: As I've told every world leader I've met with over the years, it's never, ever, ever been a good bet to bet against America. It still isn't.
ZELENY: The week-long European tour includes a stop in Cornwall on the southern coast of England to see British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and
other leaders of the Group of Seven.
First Lady Jill Biden joins at Windsor Castle for an audience with Queen Elizabeth and then to Brussels for a summit with NATO allies and to Geneva
to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Biden is carrying a message of transatlantic unity and trying to move beyond the lingering baggage of President Trump's America First agenda.
BIDEN: America has been tested and we've come out stronger for it. We will repair our alliances and engage with the world once again.
ZELENY: No American president has logged as many miles around the globe as Biden, 36 years in the Senate, eight years as vice president and then as a
private citizen, including this 2019 visit to Germany during the second year of the Trump administration.
BIDEN: We will be back. We will be back. Don't have any doubt about that.
ZELENY: Biden is back but confronting a wave of new challenges like COVID, climate change and cyber attacks, provocations that are testing the new
president and America's place in the world in post-Trump era.
He believes in the power of personal relationships but knows well skepticism toward the U.S. is running high, after only recently starting to
share vaccines with the world.
For Biden, the meeting with Putin holds the highest stakes, with some questioning why he's giving the Russian adversary a meeting at all.
JAKE SULLIVAN, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: We do not regard a meeting with the Russian president as a reward.
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SULLIVAN: Joe Biden is not meeting with Vladimir Putin despite our country's differences. He's meeting him because of our country's
differences.
ZELENY: Even inside the west wing, he was subject to internal debate, CNN has learned but Biden insisted on engaging Putin face-to-face.
SULLIVAN: There's never any substitute for meeting face-to-face, particularly for complex relationships. But with Putin, this is
exponentially the case.
ZELENY: At the White House, the first five months of Biden's presidency have been dominated by domestic challenges, yet foreign policy is Biden's
first love. At long last, he's setting it and will be judged by it.
BIDEN: The United States is determined, determined to reengage with Europe, to consult with you, to earn back our position of trusted
leadership.
ZELENY: Jeff Zeleny, CNN, Falmouth, England.
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ANDERSON: Well, Joe Biden will touch down about five hours from now. We will be connecting you to the key G7 issues across the globe in the hours
ahead. Let's start with CNN's Scott McLean who is in London and White House correspondent Arlette Saenz, who is in Cornwall, the site of the summit.
Scott, a range of what are crucial talking points on the G7 agenda, those are talking points.
What do we actually expect to be achieved?
SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Concrete deliverables are something that reporters have been asking about for the last couple of days. And a lot of
these agreements, a lot of these discussions and announcements will have been made in advance.
But don't discount the importance of the pageantry. Ask any diplomat, they will tell you this in-person format rather than virtually gives world
leaders the chance to have sidebar discussions off to the side informally that you wouldn't be able to have in any other setting, at least not very
easily.
Second of all, it's also important for Joe Biden to sort of assert himself and show the world that America is back and ready to play a leadership role
on the global stage, especially after the Trump era, though a lot of same issues from the Trump era still linger today, specifically China.
Biden wants to show the world, not just say but show the world through this G7 and through the NATO meetings as well that he has a united front against
human rights abuses in China, against unfair trade practices that the U.S. says that China is engaged in.
There's also that meeting with Vladimir Putin, the national security adviser, Biden's national security adviser, making clear this week that,
look, that meeting is not about a deliverable, not about securing anything in particular but sending a message to Vladimir Putin that, you know,
ransomware attacks, cyber attacks, harboring cyber criminals on Russian soil won't be tolerated.
On top of the agenda is the coronavirus pandemic. You have here Biden showing up with this pledge to give away 80 million vaccine doses by the
4th of July to less fortunate countries and also some of his allies as well; whereas Boris Johnson saying the U.K. isn't quite ready, doesn't have
enough doses to share with the world just yet but said the development of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine certainly is a big gift to the world, Becky.
ANDERSON: Arlette, this is a huge week for Joe Biden. It's his first presidential trip abroad. We'll be heading to G7 in Cornwall, where you are
and then, as Scott rightly pointed out, a summit with NATO allies in Brussels.
And to cap it off a summit with the Russian president.
Optics aside, I just wonder from your sources at the White House what you believe Joe Biden is hoping to achieve on this trip and what success might
look like?
ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: President Biden has made clear that the main focus of this trip is trying to strengthen those alliances that the
United States traditionally has had.
He also wants to make clear to adversaries like Russia and China that the United States, in conjunction with their allies, are ready to counter those
countries and some provocative actions they might be taking.
You've seen this highly choreographed trip from this White House. They are coming here to the G7 summit. The president will meet with the British
prime minister first ahead of those G7 summit meetings.
And the president moves on to the NATO and E.U. meetings in Brussels. They are trying to shore up those alliances and continue to assert, America is
back, especially after the previous administration when there were some strained relations between the U.S. and some allies.
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SAENZ: But then there's that sitdown, that one-on-one engagement between Biden and Russian president Putin. Before he took off, he made clear he
plans to bring up cyber attack issues and he's also expected to raise human rights abuses.
And there was some disagreement and debate about whether or not the president should be sitting down with Putin on his very first foreign trip
as president. But ultimately Biden finds those one-on-one interactions and personal relationships, that is basically his brand of diplomacy and
engagement.
So while the White House has said, don't expect any tangible result from that meeting with Putin, Biden should be able to set the course for where
he hopes further engagements and discussions might go.
You have to remember that this is a moment that Biden has been preparing for, for quite some time. He has been a figure on the international stage
as a senator and vice president but now, for the very first time, he's coming here as president, the one who sets the foreign policy agenda for
the United States.
ANDERSON: Arlette Saenz and Scott McLean, thank you both.
As we mentioned Joe Biden in the air, en route to the U.K. His press pool, however, had a bit of a flight delay. They were all set to go Tuesday
night. But a swarm of cicadas had other ideas.
Their invasion of the press plane's exterior was so extensive that the aircraft had to call in -- or the airline had to call in another bug-free
plane. The flight took off this morning 6.5 hours behind schedule. Delta Airlines said these beasties caused a power unit to fail.
This G7 summit, as we mentioned, China's rising influence is key for many world leaders. But using that influence in the U.S. could soon get a bit
more difficult. The U.S. Senate just passed U.S. Innovation and Competition Act.
Let me explain. This act is aimed to invest in U.S. workers and innovation to compete with China's technology capabilities. Meanwhile, China calls the
bill "a paranoid delusion, filled with prejudice and Cold War mentality." David Culver joins us now from Shanghai with more on China's response.
That's quite a response. Just work us through what you believe is going on here.
DAVID CULVER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It is a strong response but it's not surprising, Becky. You and I have talked about how the Chinese
officials in particular have been concerned with certain agenda items, first with the Trump administration but now seeming to continue with the
Biden administration and getting something that is quite rare in the U.S. and that is support on both sides of the aisle here.
Moving forward with this Senate bill that will likely then go to the House and to the president's desk to be signed into law. But the real concern
from China's perspective is that they feel like they are being contained in their development, in their growth.
While this on the face looks like economic inspiration within the U.S. and trying to motivate the tech field in particular and certainly putting a lot
of money towards that, the Chinese see that as a direct threat to what they have been doing with research and development, with 5G and even moving
forward with these technology hubs that the U.S. likewise wants to replicate.
Going forward, we do expect that this will pass within the U.S. But the Chinese are already setting this precedent that not only are they going to
continue to invest in their own technology here domestically but also push forward with the same rhetoric and this propaganda to suggest that it's the
U.S. trying to corner this developing nation, as they put it.
ANDERSON: Beijing should not be surprised by this. Joe Biden's administration incoming was very, very loud, noisy about the fact that they
believed that, to counter China's dominance, the U.S. needed to be more competitive. A competitive U.S., they said, was where they wanted to start.
China's dominance will be a crucial issue. There's no doubt about this at G7. Australia's prime minister will present to G7 leaders. He is pushing
leaders to support new WTO penalties for what calls coercive trade policies.
Now obviously we understand, we know that Australia and China are in a trade spat at the moment. That perhaps has been understandable. What we
expect to hear from the prime minister of Australia, what else might we hear regarding G7 -- sorry, China -- at this G7 summit?
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CULVER: Becky, that's going to be the country most mentioned that's not partaking in all of this. You mentioned Australia. Yes, of course they have
felt the economic repercussions of their spat with China. And that goes back to the prime minister, more than a year ago, calling for an
independent international investigation into the origins of COVID-19.
What's interesting to me here is to see how the Biden administration is moving forward with a similar agenda from the Trump administration;
however, with a different strategy, that of diplomacy, something that the Trump administration could not do.
So you now have Biden going to these European leaders in particular and the rest of the G7 nations and trying to win support. So he's got it on the
home front. He's got with it this bill that passed with both sides, bipartisan support, both sides agreeing to it.
Now it's on the international front. Now it's moving toward trying to convince these other world leaders to push Beijing in all sorts of fields.
Of course, technology is one of them but you also have intellectual property and human rights, which is a major issue.
You'll see them now try to build this coalition and that's putting more and more pressure on Beijing.
ANDERSON: Fascinating. I think back to when Beijing joined the WTO some 20 years ago now and these were issues that were of concern to G7++ back
then and 20 years later, it's almost like sort of rewinding to go forward at this point -- and point being that at least America says, through
Washington's prism, this is the West plus Japan coming together to really try and coerce around a similar narrative.
All right. Thank you for that.
Taiwan feeling the weight of Beijing's growing influence but it's also facing another crucial issue the G7 members will discuss this week and
that's climate crisis. Right now the island of Taiwan struggling with one of its worst droughts in decades.
Authorities even had to turn off the taps recently to try to preserve the reservoirs. But a limited water supply could have big repercussions for the
global tech sector. CNN's Will Ripley explains.
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RIPLEY: Taiwan's worst drought in more than half a century, making this island look more like a desert. Cracks snake across the bottom of Sun Moon
Lake, Taiwan's largest body of water.
Parched reservoirs across the island evaporate. Recent rains put a small dent in a big problem, a problem scientists predict will only get worse.
HUANG-HSIUNG HSU, CLIMATE RESEARCHER, ACADEMIA SINICA: Our projections show that it is going to become more and more serious in the future.
RIPLEY: Climate change models paint a dire picture for Taiwan, stronger typhoons, more flooding, less frequent rain. Future droughts, far more
severe.
(on camera): This mural gives you an idea of what Baoshan Reservoir usually looks like. This is what it looks like now. Water levels are right
around 30 percent. They were less than 3 percent before monsoon season kicked off in mid-May.
Taiwan is experiencing its worst drought in decades. That's a big problem, because this reservoir is the primary water source for the Hsinchu Science
Park, home to nearly 600 electronics companies, including the world's leading semiconductor manufacturer, TSMC.
Why is this drought a problem for Taiwan's semiconductor industry?
JEFFEREY CHIU, ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, NATIONAL TAIWAN UNIVERSITY: Every layer, we need a lot of chemical processes. And every process, we need to
clean the surface. We need to clean by water. Flowing, pure water.
RIPLEY (voice-over): Semiconductor manufacturers are searching for solutions. Water recycling, purifying seawater, both years away from
quenching the insatiable thirst of chip factories.
Making chips also requires huge amounts of energy. Taiwan, like the world, is trying to fight the climate crisis, cutting its carbon footprint while
the phasing out nuclear power. The island's semiconductor industry is investing big in green energy. Hundreds of giant wind turbines line the
coast. Solar panels dot the landscape.
HUANG-HSIUNG HSU, CLIMATE RESEARCHER, ACADEMIA SINICA: We need to cut down on carbon dioxide emissions. But on the other hand, we need to generate
more electricity.
RIPLEY: Just after we arrived, rolling blackouts hit the Taiwanese capital. Energy demand grows as temperatures rise.
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RIPLEY (voice-over): Taiwan's top energy consumer, semiconductors, vital to the global economy, powering everything from cars to computers. If
Taiwan's power and water supply is in peril, the whole world could feel the pain -- Will Ripley, CNN, Taipei.
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ANDERSON: Coming up, as Uganda sounds the alarm it's close to running out of vaccines, its top health official warns vaccine hoarding has left poorer
countries way behind.
Meanwhile a different picture in Europe. Countries are opening back up to travel. We'll have details on the new COVID travel certificate that the
European Union has just approved.
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ANDERSON: The WHO is reporting a 25 percent spike in COVID-19 cases on the African continent. South Africa saw the sharpest rise in infections with
more than 30,000 cases recorded this week. These figures come as African countries struggle to vaccinate their populations.
Case point for you. Uganda's top health official says the country has less than 20,000 doses left as it fights off a brutal second wave. Larry Madowo
joins me now.
Just how did Uganda end up in this situation?
LARRY MADOWO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Uganda was hoping to get more vaccines like every other country. They got 964,000 and put them in the arms of
people. They only have 20,000 left. They are hoping to get another 175,000 shots by the end of this week. But that's a big if. That's if COVAX can
deliver.
However, in the midst of that, Uganda is having to deal with a vicious second wave of the virus, like a lot of other African countries are dealing
with now. Uganda saw cases increase 137 percent this past week. Places like South Africa, Zambia also saw a big increase.
I'm at a hospital where their ICU is jam-packed with patients, COVID patients, many of whom are on life support. And this is the complaint from
the top ministry health official, talking about other countries, Western countries hoarding vaccines.
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DR. DANA ATWINE, UGANDA MINISTRY OF HEALTH: We live in a world of inequalities and we are seeing this also in vaccine distribution, because
all lives matter, regardless of where you are in Africa or in developed countries. And it was sad that the countries that would support and would
really come to the rescue of developing countries, they chose to hoard the vaccines.
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MADOWO: I asked the doctor when she thinks the adult population in Uganda will be fully vaccinated and she said I don't know. They are not available.
Western countries are offering vaccines to children, re-opening.
And it's not fair, she says, that countries like Uganda have to struggle to vaccinate people and while that's still happening, people are dying in
these hospitals, Becky, because they cannot be vaccinated and cannot stay in lockdown or restrictions forever. Many day laborers, if they don't show
up to the markets, they don't have an income.
ANDERSON: Absolutely. We will do more on this with Dr. Seth Berkley. Such an important issue. Seth Berkley is the CEO of the Gavi vaccine alliance.
That's later in this show.
Africa reports a drastic increase in cases. The world on average has seen a decline for the sixth straight week. Many countries now are looking to re-
open. The European Parliament is formally approving the E.U.'s COVID travel certificate.
This pass allows people who are vaccinated against COVID-19, have tested negative or have recovered from the disease, to travel freely within the
European bloc. It will come into effect as of July 1st in all E.U. countries.
But some have already been using it on a voluntary basis. France is taking more steps towards opening back up, including a new color coded traffic
light system for international travelers.
Different rules would apply to travelers coming from green, orange or red countries. France also allowing indoor dining at restaurants and pushing
back the nightly curfew. Our CNN Paris correspondent joins us now.
Melissa, France did not escape that second wave. It was pretty brutal.
Are people or how are people feeling about this re-opening?
MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It has been a long, hard winter here in France, Becky. First of all, because of those COVID, successive COVID waves
that at one point were just like in the first, worried the health care system would could collapse.
Today finally restaurants re-opening indoors as well. It had been from terraces a week ago. Slowly the curfew being lifted to 11:00 pm. It had
been 9:00 pm. More and more life come back to what it was. Here's what some persons told us today about how that felt.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I think for most people this has been very complicated and having one after another. People have a need to
see each other again, to have fun, to laugh, to share moments. And so yes, at last.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): It's even more freedom. The main thing for me is having the curfew at 11:00 pm. It will be nice to stay out
a bit later and, so, yes it's been difficult.
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BELL: So life returning to Paris, Becky. Paris beginning to feel once again like Paris for those who are here. What's missing are the tourists
and France very keen to get them back. Hence the color coded scheme that you talked about.
Europeans can come and go from France without restrictions but also citizens from countries like Israel, Lebanon, for those countries on the
green list. If you've been vaccinated you can come to France. For people on the orange list, U.K. and the United States, if you've been vaccinated, you
still need a PCR test.
They are working out the details of the reciprocity that would allow Europeans to read American vaccines and vice versa, to allow unrestricted
travel to and fro.
ANDERSON: Melissa Bell is in Paris for you, where it's 4:28 in the afternoon.
When it comes to getting more people around the world vaccinated, G7 leaders are being pressed to accomplish a global feat like we've never seen
before. I'll speak to an expert who is trying to make that happen.
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ANDERSON: Our top story this hour: world leaders heading to Cornwall, England, for a G7 meeting this weekend. It'll be their first time they are
meeting in person. This is the leaders of the seven most advanced economies in the world.
They will be meeting in person the first time since the pandemic began. They have a lot to discuss; vaccine inequality is front and center as COVID
cases soar in Latin America and in Africa.
British prime minister Boris Johnson is calling on the group to commit to vaccinating the world by the end of next year. Let's bring in the CEO of
Gavi, the vaccine alliance. His group is co-leading COVAX, which is the vaccine sharing program providing COVID vaccines to lower income countries.
Good to have you with us from Geneva in Switzerland via Skype. It does seem right, this call from the leader of the British government, who is hosting
G7 leaders in Cornwall in England this week, a country that isn't, at this point, prepared to share any doses with the middle to lower income
countries around the world.
It does seem a slightly contrived (ph) position, I should say.
What are your thoughts?
DR. SETH BERKLEY, CEO, GAVI: Well, first of all, it's good to see you, Becky. And it is the right call because, as we know in a global pandemic,
we're only safe if we are all safe. And I've been saying that now for about 1.5 years.
What's really, I think, now people understand this is with the introduction of these new variants. We've seen these move from one region to large
numbers of other countries very, very quickly.
And, of course, it puts that threat, the safety that the countries feel. So what we need to do is get these vaccines out and get them now so that we
can protect those at highest risk, the health workers, the elderly and those with co-morbidities initially, but make sure we're able to stop the
pandemic from continuing to spread.
ANDERSON: Look, we have rampant vaccine inequality. Africa has a population of 1.3 billion and has seen just 7 million people fully
vaccinated. Vaccine imports have ground to a halt. So the system isn't working at present. The current system is broken.
Just tell us, you know, how successful has COVAX been to date?
What is standing in the way of COVAX being more successful to date?
And what do you want?
What is your message at this point?
What's the bottom line here, sir?
BERKLEY: Yes. The critical issue, COVAX has delivered to 129 countries, around 82 million doses.
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BERKLEY: That is way below where we had hoped to be at this point. Part of it is that a lot of the early supply was coming out of India, which is the
largest vaccine producer by volume. And those now have been turned internally to be able to deal with the outbreak that's going on there.
So for us, the critical issue is to make sure that doses are being made available. And as you rightfully said, Becky, is that many countries
haven't shared up until now. So what we're calling for, which is absolutely critical is, first of all, no export bans, because we need to make sure
every manufacturer can produce doses as quickly as they can.
So stop the idea of hoarding raw materials or keeping vaccines behind.
Second is really to share doses now. We know that countries have bought many more doses than they need because they didn't know which vaccine would
work. So share that now so we can make up for the 190 million doses so far that are missing from the COVAX deliveries because of what's going on in
India.
And then third is working with companies to make sure we continue to scale up. COVAX has ordered now more than 2.5 billion doses. So doses will come.
The challenge is trying to get them there now because, if we don't get them there now, we'll see the spread of infections and more deaths.
ANDERSON: There are also market forces, of course, at work here, shaping vaccine procurement. High income countries invested billions developing
vaccines which, in turn, helped them secure advance market commitments from Big Pharma. Then middle income countries bought up doses in advance.
That left low-income countries, which lacked manufacturing or development capacity firmly at the back of the queue and relying on charity,
effectively, on donations.
This is not a new pattern. We've seen this play out in the past, in past epidemics. I have to ask, should Gavi have focused on equipping nations
with the knowledge and infrastructure to produce their own vaccines rather than relying on this donor system which, quite frankly, sir, you and I
agree, is not delivering.
BERKLEY: First of all, just to put it into context, the last pandemic that occurred was swine flu and this time already vaccines have been delivered
2.5 times faster to four times the number of countries and seven times the number of doses already.
Now that's where nowhere near enough. High income countries received doses less than 1 percent in low-income countries. The challenge here is making
sure there's global manufacturing. We've gone from five manufacturers to 17.
And so India, for example, is a low-income country that has very scalable manufacturing capabilities. We also purchase vaccines from Africa, from
Indonesia, from Brazil, from all over the world. So capacity has been increased.
The challenge is going to be how to make sure that capacity is geographically diversified so that you don't end up in a situation, where
an outbreak closes down exports, like happened in India this time, but also making sure there are sustainable business models because you don't want to
build a facility and then, you know, have it work for a year and then have it go in moth balls and not be available for the next outbreak.
So these are some of the problems we're trying to solve now.
ANDERSON: The African Union has been pushing to expand vaccine manufacturing across Africa in order to avoid this future access issue. The
E.U. said it would invest a billion euros; Gavi's central to this conversation because over 40 African nation will procure their vaccines via
the alliance. And those vaccines are manufactured elsewhere.
I guess, you know, in order to fix what is clearly this broken system -- and I know you may feel you answered this but let me sort of underline what
we're saying here.
Will the alliance throw its weight behind this manufacturing revolution in Africa and encourage wealthy nations to do the same and invest?
Is that a healthy option at this point?
BERKLEY: Absolutely. Just to be clear, we do need to expand production in Africa. The challenge in doing it is not to do it in a kneejerk way and
just say, let's build a plant and then use it for COVID-19.
And then when COVID becomes less important what do we do?
What we need is a business plan to supply other vaccines that are important regionally but also global vaccines.
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BERKLEY: And ultimately so it can be competitive commercially so that it sustains over time the production of products and then can be available to
have surge capacity when there are outbreaks to provide vaccines. Already there are vaccine manufacturers on the continent doing that in South
Africa. But clearly these could be expanded.
ANDERSON: Seth, always a pleasure having you on and we should do this more often and we will do it more often. More needs to be done. You need the
support of the international media to ensure that nobody is left behind. Thank you, sir. Always a pleasure. We'll speak soon.
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