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Two Israeli Embassy Staffers Killed in DC, Suspect in Custody; Trump Ambushes Ramaphosa with "White Genocide" Falsehoods; Aid Trickles into Gaza for First Time in Weeks; Risky Times for Trump's Sweeping Tax Cut Bill; Tottenham Win Europa League Final, Trophy in 17 Years. Aired 9-9:45a ET

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BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST, CONNECT THE WORLD: Well, this is the scene outside the capital Jewish Museum in Washington, D.C., after two Israeli

embassy staff were shot and killed there. It is 09:00 a.m. in Washington. It's 05:00 p.m. in Abu Dhabi. I'm Becky Anderson, this is "Connect the

World" from our Middle East Programming Headquarters.

Also coming up this hour, South Africans are reacting to the stunning ambush of their president by the U.S. President at the White House with a

video to back up Donald Trump's false claims of white genocide. And CNN is on the ground in Tehran ahead of expected nuclear talks between the U.S.

and Iran in Rome this weekend.

Well stock market in New York opens about 30 minutes from now, and futures mixed after the U.S. House passed a key piece of President Trump's massive

domestic agenda, attacks and spending bill that could add nearly $4 trillion to the U.S. deficit. According to congressional budget estimates,

it now moves to the Senate, where it is expected to undergo more changes.

Well right now, let's get more on CNN's breaking news, a young couple, both Israeli embassy staff, is about to be engaged, gunned down on the on a

street in the U.S. capital. Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Milgrim were shot and killed on Wednesday night near the capital Jewish Museum in Washington,

D.C.

Police say they are holding a suspect identified as Elias Rodriguez from Chicago. A witness tells us he was trying to blend in with many of the

distressed people at the museum just after the shooting. CNN's Alex Marquardt brings us more.

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ALEX MARQUARDT, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Shock and outrage after two staff members at Israel's embassy in Washington

D.C. were shot and killed on Wednesday evening. 30-year-old Yaron Lischinsky and 26-year-old Sarah Milgrim were an Israeli couple.

They were exiting an event at the capital Jewish Museum when a person opened fire. Eyewitnesses say that he later pretended to be a witness.

CHIEF PAMELA SMITH, WASHINGTON, D.C. METROPOLITAN POLICE: We believe the shooting was committed by a single suspect who is now in custody. Prior to

the shooting, the suspect was observed pacing back and forth outside of the museum.

MARQUARDT (voice-over): Eyewitness video obtained by CNN appears to show the suspect as he's taken into custody. Police have identified him as 30-

year-old Elias Rodriguez from Chicago, who they say turned himself in and shouted, free, free Palestine while being handcuffed, as seen in this

video.

The FBI and D.C. police have launched their investigation. The Israeli embassy is assisting. The NGO Israel aid, whose members were keynote

speakers at the event, said the gathering was focused on humanitarian aid, including for Gaza.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm still in a bit of state of shock, but you know what started off as a night of humanity and love and connection turned into this

kind of horrific, atrocious nightmare.

MARQUARDT (voice-over): Another eyewitness told CNN that the gunman went into the museum after the attack and then turned himself in, saying, I did

it for Gaza. Israel's ambassador to the U.S. said the young couple who was killed was about to be engaged.

YECHIEL LEITER, ISRAELI AMBASSADOR TO U.S.: The young man purchased a ring this week with the intention of proposing to his girlfriend next week in

Jerusalem. They were a beautiful couple who came to enjoy an evening in Washington's Cultural Center.

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MARQUARDT (voice-over): President Donald Trump expressed his condolences to the victims' families, posting on social media, quote, these horrible D.C.

killings based obviously on antisemitism must end now. Hatred and radicalism have no place in the U.S.A.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also condemned the killings, saying, we are witnessing the terrible cost of antisemitism and the wild

incitement against the State of Israel. Netanyahu added that he has ordered reinforced security at Israeli diplomatic missions worldwide following the

killings.

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ANDERSON: I want to get the very latest from Washington in a moment. I do, though, want to look at reaction in Israel. Jeremy Diamond is standing by

in Tel Aviv. And I just want our viewers to hear one Jerusalem resident talking about her fears. Have a listen.

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AVIYA LEVI, JERUSALEM RESIDENT: I have to admit that an Israel like I'm an Israeli, and it makes me feel like I'm afraid. I'm afraid to go abroad, I'm

afraid to I don't know where we're going to come from. I have kids, just going to make me afraid.

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ANDERSON: Jeremy, just take us through reaction from the public and indeed from officials there.

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Well, as that woman expressed, I mean, Israelis have already had concerns about traveling abroad about

rising antisemitism globally, and also anti-Israel sentiment in different countries around the world. And so, Israelis this morning are rightly

horrified by this shooting attack in the American capital.

The Israeli politicians are also reacting, drawing out some of that outrage and horrified feeling from so many Israelis. The Israeli Prime Minister

accused said that this was stemming from the, quote, terrible costs of antisemitism and the wild incitement against the State of Israel.

He vowed to continue to fight relentlessly against what he described as blood libels against the Israeli state. The Israeli President, for his

part, called this a despicable act of hatred of antisemitism, which claimed the lives of these two young employees of the Israeli embassy.

There have also been some attacks between the right and the left spectrum of Israeli politics over who bears blame for an attack like this. Yair

Golan, for example, leader of the left here in Israel, said that he shares in the grief of those murdered in this attack, but he also cast blame on

Netanyahu's right-wing government for, quote, fueling antisemitism and hatred of Israel through its actions in the war in Gaza.

And he says that those policies are endangering every Jew in every corner of the globe. Itamar Ben-Gvir, a member of the right-wing government of

Prime Minister Netanyahu, instead blaming Israeli politicians like Yair Golan, who have been critical of the Israeli military's conduct in Gaza,

saying that that is only fueling further anti-Israel sentiment and antisemitism around the world.

Meanwhile, the Israeli Prime Minister has reinforced security, or ordered that security be reinforced at Israel's embassies and consulates around the

world, Becky.

ANDERSON: It's good to have you, Jeremy, in Tel Aviv in Israel. Let me get back to Washington. It is just after 9 o'clock in the morning there. Alex,

you're on the scene. What is the latest there?

MARQUARDT: Well, Becky, this horrific incident happened in Downtown, Washington. A lot of these buildings that you see around me are official

office buildings. Were very close to the capital. We're close to the CNN bureau. In fact, this red brick building behind me that is the capital

Jewish Museum where the incident took place.

It was just outside the museum. Incidentally, it is right across from the FBI's Washington Field Office. What we understand now is that this is being

investigated by both the D.C. Metropolitan Police as well as the FBI, specifically the Joint Terrorism Task Force.

Of course, there are immediate signs that this was a form of terrorism, because it does appear to have been politically motivated, with that young

suspect, 30-year-old, Elias Rodriguez from Chicago, shouting, free, free Palestine. There's no real update on the legal front, what the

investigators, what law enforcement, intends to do in terms of further questioning or appearance in court.

But we are learning a bit more about the young couple that was gunned down, Yaron Lischinsky. Yaron Lischinsky, rather, 30 years old, both an Israeli

and a German citizen.

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He worked in the political department of the Israeli embassy as a researcher, and then his soon to be fiance, as we understand it, Sarah

Milgrim, an American who worked at the embassy, facilitating trips to Israel and the Israeli Ambassador saying that Lischinsky plans to propose

to Milgrim next week in Jerusalem, that he had bought the ring the ambassador here in Washington calling them a beautiful couple, Becky.

ANDERSON: What was the event that was going on there at the site?

MARQUARDT: It was an interfaith event that was being hosted by the American Jewish Committee. We understand that there was a focus from the speakers on

humanitarian aids, specifically on aid into Gaza. It was supposed to be -- it was an interfaith event that brought together not just young Jewish

professionals, but also diplomats from different embassies around the city.

Young diplomats, we saw on the Committee's website that this was an event that took place starting at 06:30 yesterday, running until 09:00 p.m. and

law enforcement have said that shortly after the event broke up, just after 9 is when the shooting happened, and that is, of course, a horrific irony,

if you will, of what unfolded.

You know this being widely condemned as an antisemitic attack, but this was an event at this Jewish Museum that was meant to bring people of different

faiths together, diplomats together to talk about a very important cause of bringing aid to those who need it around the world, and specifically in the

Gaza Strip, which, of course, is so desperate, Becky.

ANDERSON: Alex, Jeremy, it's good to have you. Thank you very much indeed. And as we get more on that investigation, of course, we will get it to you.

You're watching "Connect the World". Coming up how Trump's Oval Office ambush of Cyril Ramaphosa is playing out back home in South Africa.

And a new round of nuclear negotiations between Iran and U.S. set for tomorrow. We'll have a live report from Tehran, after this.

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ANDERSON: You're watching "Connect the World". I'm Becky Anderson for you. We are tracking the fallout of South African President Cyril Ramaphosa's

visit to the White House yesterday. It only took a few minutes for the U.S. President Donald Trump, to turn the meeting into an ambush.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: With thousands of stories talking about it. We have documentaries, we have news stories.

Excuse me, turn the lights down. Turn the lights down and just put this on, its right behind you. Yeah.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- There's nothing this parliament can do with or without you. People are going to occupy land. We require no permission from

you, from the president, from no one --

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ANDERSON: Well, Mr. Trump, they playing videos to try and back up his claims, which are untrue, that a white genocide is happening in South

Africa. Mr. Ramaphosa held his ground.

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CYRIL RAMAPHOSA, SOUTH AFRICAN PRESIDENT: People who do get killed, unfortunately, through criminal activity, are not only white people,

majority of them are black people, and we have now --

TRUMP: The farmers are not black. We say that's good or bad, but the farmers are not black --

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ANDERSON: Well, South African President brought several white members in his delegation in the hopes that Mr. Trump would hear them out, including

Pro Golfer, Ernie Els.

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ERNIE ELS, PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: We want to see things get better in our own country. That's the bottom line.

RAMAPHOSA: If there was Afrikaner farmer genocide, I can bet you these three gentlemen would not be here, including my minister of agriculture.

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ANDERSON: Well CNN's Larry Madowo, joining us from Nairobi, I know you were following what was going on there at the White House yesterday, and you've

been following the public reaction out of South Africa. How is that playing out?

LARRY MADOWO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Many South Africans, Becky, are quite happy with how President Ramaphosa handled that, they praised his composure

and how calm he remained throughout that. One South African newspaper has said he was not Zelenskyy, and they consider that a win.

The Secretary General of the ANC, President Ramaphosa's party, said mission accomplished, that they went there to explain the South African position,

and they succeeded in doing that. And despite this inflammatory statement that President Trump made completely unfounded allegations of white

genocide in South Africa and the persecution of white farmers.

President Ramaphosa maintained his cool, tried to push back, explain the situation, he brought in the white agriculture minister, who is from a

party that has opposed his own party for 30 years. And he also John Steenhuisen said, I would not be in this coalition government if that was

this issue.

And the reason why we joined up with the opposers parties to make sure those elements Julius Malema and President Jacob Zuma are not in office.

But this is what the view on the street from regular South Africans think.

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SABELO MOTHA, JOHANNESBURG RESIDENT: -- think it was the right call. South Africa is, is a country on its own. I don't think we need to explain

ourselves to U.S.A.

FUNDI MQALI, JOHANNESBURG RESIDENT: So, I think what it did Cyril Ramaphosa to prove them that it's -- we don't have no separation in this country. We

believe, as South African that's why we call ourselves the rainbow nation.

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MADOWO: President Ramaphosa went to talk trade, but for over an hour, they ended up litigating and relitigating this case of a white genocide. The

evidence of which we have not found to be clear. Between April and December 2024 there were 36 farm murders in South Africa, and only 7 of those were

farmers, but in that same period, there were almost 20,000 murders.

So that's 0.2 percent of the grand total. The problem South Africa has, as we talked about, Becky, is one of crime, violent crime is a real issue

there, and that is not necessarily racially motivated. I think the cautionary tale from that scene, and with the Zelenskyy example I mentioned

before, as many world leaders, Becky, will have to really revaluate if this format is the best for them, because you just don't know what's going to

happen.

ANDERSON: Yep, it's nothing, if not performative. We can certainly say that, and I'm very uncomfortable for many. Larry, it's good to have you

mate, thank you. Well, Iran says it is on board for the next round of nuclear talks with the United States, and will now send a team to Rome for

Friday.

On Wednesday, the country's foreign minister said Iran was still considering whether to participate. Following U.S. demands that it halts

its uranium enrichment. Well, the two sides held their fourth round of talks in Oman earlier this month, which Tehran described as, quote,

difficult.

Well, CNN's Senior International Correspondent Fred Pleitgen is in Tehran for us. And you've been speaking to, you know, average Iranians. What do

they make of what is going on, where these talks are at and where they might be headed at this point?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, certainly folks are watching it very closely, and I think there is some hope here

that possibly a deal can be reached, even though people here on the ground in Tehran certainly acknowledge how difficult these negotiations have been

and how it points also really been hanging by a thread.

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As you just mentioned last night, the Iranians still saying that they were still considering whether or not to even attend that next round, which is

set to happen in Rome tomorrow, before late in the evening, then saying yes, they will be going there, of course, one of the things that really

sparked anger, Becky.

Among the Iranian negotiators were some of the words from Steve Witkoff, the presidential negotiator for President Donald Trump, who said that the

Trump Administration believes that there should be no enrichment of uranium here inside Iran, the Iranians saying that, for them, that is a red line.

So here on the ground, people saying they don't want to get ahead of themselves, because, of course, they know the ups and downs of the

relations between Iran and the United States, but certainly most people here are watching what's going on. Here's what folks said that we asked on

the streets here.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's going to be a situation. They're going to put Iran into a corner, and they're going to be so much demand that Iran cannot give

and it's going to fail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In Iran, the economic situation is not good for people, and we are in impression, and I hope, I think, most of the people

hope that maybe it possible.

PLEITGEN: Do you think there's a chance of success, still?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think so, because our decision is clear that we should have our nuclear power not for using it for, I don't know weapons

for, I don't know killing people. We just need it for our power, I don't know, for our energy, just for that. And he says we have to stop that. Why

we should do that? He says that we are going to sell you.

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PLEITGEN: So, there you hear some of the voices of folks that we spoke to here in Tehran. And it really is those two things that people understand

very much are at stake. On the one hand, you have the possibility of sanctions relief, which of course, the Iranians have said would be very

important for them.

But at the same time also this nuclear enrichment and the nuclear program, which of course, the Iranians say has always been for peaceful purposes,

and how much the Iranians are willing to give up in that space. And so, folks here understand how difficult that is. People that we have been

speaking to say they do believe that Iran certainly has a right to nuclear enrichment.

They say that at -- in some form, it does need to continue here in Iran, because Iran, of course, has also given up a lot to keep that nuclear

enrichment going and expand it at times. At the same time, of course, there are many people who acknowledge and say that sanctions relief would

definitely be something that would be in the interest, of course, not just of the Iranian state, but of the people as well, Becky.

ANDERSON: Fred Pleitgen is in Tehran. Fred, good to have you there. Thank you. In Gaza, a very limited amount of food was delivered on Wednesday, for

the first time since Israel blocked all humanitarian aid from entering the enclave, which was, of course, back in March.

Yesterday, more than 90 trucks carrying flour food and baby supplements began distributing aid to Southern Gaza. Still, the United Nations warning

that the volume of supplies getting in is nowhere near enough to prevent the worsening humanitarian crisis. They are hoping for more aid to be

delivered Thursday.

Let me get you back to Jeremy Diamond, who is in Tel Aviv. Jeremy, where does this stand at this point? What are the expectations?

DIAMOND: Well, at this point, Becky, what we are seeing is a ray of hope for Palestinians in Gaza, but by no means the solution to all of the

problems and to the hunger crisis that has been roiling the Gaza Strip. Last night, we saw trucks loaded with humanitarian aid, in particular,

flour, nutritional supplements and some medication making its way into Gaza for the first time in 11 weeks.

More than 90 trucks began distributing those supplies in Gaza last night, including directly to bakeries which received that flour and immediately

got to work starting to bake bread in southern and central Gaza. The trucks distributing this aid, you know, it came after about 48 hours of wrangling

between Israeli authorities and United Nations officials.

As U.N. officials pressed the Israelis to authorize a safe route for that humanitarian aid to make it from the Gaza side of the Kerem Shalom crossing

to necessary distribution points across the Gaza Strip. Aid officials are also making clear that this needs to continue and that it also needs to

ramp up in terms of the number of trucks that are being allowed into Gaza.

They have repeatedly described this as a drop in the ocean of the need that exists in the Gaza Strip. And there are also still major questions about

whether or not the Israelis will allow aid to reach the northern part of Gaza, where there are hundreds of thousands of people, increasingly

besieged by an advancing Israeli military there, and as the Israeli government makes clear that its plan with this new offensive is to push

Palestinians to the southern part of the Gaza Strip.

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And so, questions about whether or not Israel will allow aid to reach northern Gaza another 100 aid trucks were indeed processed through the

Kerem Shalom crossing yesterday. We will see whether or not those trucks are actually able to proceed throughout the Gaza Strip to distribute that

aid, and again, we'll see how much longer the Israelis allow this minimal amount of aid, as they have described it, to go into Gaza, Becky.

ANDERSON: Jeremy, good to have you. Thank you -- have got 30 minutes to bring you from Southern California, a small plane has crashed into a

neighborhood in San Diego, setting more than a dozen houses on fire there. A fire official says jet fuel spilled in the neighborhood, and they are

evacuating several blocks.

They were foggy conditions at the time, and injuries as we speak are unknown. Well ahead on "Connect the World", the U.S. House passes President

Donald Trump's big beautiful bill by a single vote, where the bill heads next, and how it could impact Americans if it becomes law, is after this.

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ANDERSON: Becky Anderson. You're watching "Connect the World" live from Abu Dhabi, which is our Middle East programming hub. These are your headlines.

And the capital Jewish Museum in Washington, D.C. says it is horrified by the killing of two Israeli embassy staffers Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah

Milgrim, a young couple about to be engaged, just left a humanitarian event at the museum when they were gunned down on Wednesday night.

Police say they are holding a suspect. You can see law enforcement outside the apartment complex where he lives in Chicago. Well U.S. President Donald

Trump hit his South African counterpart with a full multimedia ambush yesterday in the Oval Office. Cyril Ramaphosa was there to try to reset

relations and hash out a trade deal.

Instead, he spent most of the meeting defending South Africa against Donald Trump's false claims. The U.S. House has approved President Donald Trump's

massive tax and spending cut bill by a single vote.

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It happened after a series of intensive negotiations to win over Republican holdouts. It now goes to the Senate, where there are expected to be some

changes, and we will discuss those in a moment. A lot more on the markets. That is the bell, trading is underway, and we'll take a look at how these

markets are faring.

They were mixed in the futures trading day. So, expect it to be a fairly muted start, the markets then up in a moment. Republicans pushing through

President Trump's sweeping agenda at a time of great economic uncertainty. It has to be said in the U.S. at initial glance, the tax and spending cuts

bill will do nothing to lessen that, frankly.

According to analysis by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, it would increase the U.S. budget deficit by a whopping $3.8 trillion in about

eight years. It would also impact important safety net programs for low- income Americans, including deep reductions to Medicaid and food stamps.

Well, Lauren Fox is on Capitol Hill. Look, this is no doubt, a major win for the president and for House Speaker Mike Johnson. Of course, I just

wonder how Johnson was able to get this bill over the finish line and for the benefit of our international viewers, can you just give us some context

for this, just what is in this bill and what makes it so important?

LAUREN FOX, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, after months of debate, this bill really encompasses Donald Trump's entire domestic agenda. Rather

than moving forward with separate bills, they decided to move ahead with what they are calling this big beautiful bill. That's actually what they

named this piece of legislation.

And it includes a myriad of things, including making many of Donald Trump's tax cuts from 2017 permanent. It also includes changes to federal programs

like Medicaid, which poor income Americans rely upon, and food stamps. There's also changes in this bill that would repeal parts of President

Biden's agenda that he passed when he was in office, including repealing key parts of energy tax credits, clean energy tax credits.

So those are just some of the items here. It also includes investments in the border, investments in defense, but it is really a huge, all-

encompassing domestic agenda bill for the President of the United States. And it is significant that it was able to pass, given where we were just 24

hours ago.

It's really interesting in the exact same room where the speaker and his team did a victory lap this morning, that was where the House Freedom

Caucus was standing yesterday when they were threatening potentially to tank this piece of legislation. Over the course of yesterday, over the

course of the evening, through the night, they were able to get the votes that they needed to pass this bill 215, to 214.

The speaker joked earlier that that number would have been even higher, but one of his members fell asleep and missed the vote. That just gives you a

sense of the pressure that Johnson was under over the course of the last several days as he set this very ambitious deadline to get this bill out of

the House by the Memorial Day recess.

Well, they've done it. Next stop is the United States Senate. They do want to make changes to this delicately negotiated piece of legislation in the

Senate. Once they do that, it will come back to the house, and Johnson will get the privilege of doing this all again, Becky.

ANDERSON: Yeah, it is remarkable. I remember at the beginning of this administration, when people were talking about this effort to, sort of, you

know, blend everything into one huge piece of legislation we didn't know at the time was going to be called a big beautiful bill.

I think there are a lot of people who couldn't believe that they would get away with this, or that it would get done. So, I think fascinating to see

where we are at. Good to have you. Thank you. Let's take a look at the markets, and they are, as we expected, mixed on the open.

No real surprise here. Remember, there's a Moody's downgrade at the beginning of the week on, you know, which really sort of put U.S. assets in

play with a sort of, you know, with a question mark, really, as to where the confidence is in these U.S. assets, Moody's downgrade on the debt, of

course.

And this another story, and with this bill on just where that debt might be eight years from now, major uncertainty over the U.S. tax cut bill fueling

fears over the bond market, so will Wall Street's problems soon be felt on Main Street. Joining us live from New York to discuss the fallout is CNN's

Matt Egan, and we've seen months of stock market volatility.

We've seen a very muted response, really, on the stock market today. What's the story on the bond markets, and how ultimately, will all of this, affect

and impact Americans?

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MATT EGAN, CNN REPORTER: Well, Becky, I think the message from the bond market is that this is a risky time to be passing an expensive bill like

this. Investors are already concerned about America's fiscal mess. Let's take a look at how the bond market is reacting today.

Now in the minutes and hours after this bill passed, we did see yields move higher as investors sold U.S. debt. Yields have come down a bit, but still,

they are relatively high the 30-year treasury at 5.13 percent. The key number to watch here is 5.17 if it goes above there, that would be the

highest level since 2007.

Now the issue here, of course, is, what is this going to do to the debt and the deficit? And there are estimates out there from the CBO that it's going

to add almost $4 trillion to the national debt over a decade. Now this is on top of the already significant mountain of debt in the United States,

which currently stands at $36 trillion right?

And look at this. It's going basically straight up. It has doubled. The national debt has doubled in the last decade, and it's basically quadrupled

over the last 20 years. And it's not just the national debt. There's other metrics that are flashing some warning signs here as well.

If you look at debt to GDP, as recently as 2007 it was at 62 percent but it has basically doubled as well, and the U.S. now pays more on interest than

it does to cover the cost of the military, which is pretty stunning when you think about it. Now, the White House argues that this legislation is

probably going to pay for itself because it's going to turbo charge the economy, but there's estimates out there that it's really not going to have

all that dramatic of an impact on economic growth.

Now, I know that when we talk about the bond market and deficits, it seems very technical, but this is something that really does matter to everyday

people, right? The higher interest rates go to compensate nervous investors, that's going to increase borrowing costs, right, everything from

mortgages, especially, but also car loans and credit card debt.

Also, the higher rates go, it's going to slow down the economy, right? Because it's going to increase the cost of borrowing for businesses, it

also means less money the government can pay on other priorities, like education and innovation. And I think this is significant too.

The more concerned the market is about U.S. debt, it's going to give Congress less firepower to respond in a future emergency, whether it's a

recession, a war, or a health emergency. So, look, there's a lot at stake here, and we do have to take seriously what the bond market is saying.

ANDERSON: Good to have you, sir. Thank you.

EGAN: Thanks.

ANDERSON: Well, still to come, it wasn't pretty for a championship final. In fact, it's been described as awful and ugly. Who came out on top in the

all-English Europa League final between Man United and Tottenham Hotspur. Well, a that is coming up in "World Sport" after this.

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ANDERSON: Well, right now, a key immigration hearing is underway for Columbia University grad student Mahmoud Khalil, one that could determine

his future in the United States. He's been in ICE custody since March when immigration agents detained him following pro-Palestinian protests, while

the Trump Administration claims he is a national security risk because of suspected ties to terrorist groups.

His lawyers vehemently deny those claims, and they are working to end any deportation proceedings against him. Well, Tottenham euphoria spurs came

out on top, defeating Man United 1-0 in the Europa League Final to capture their first trophy in 17 years. Look the goal was scrappy, the first half

pretty shocking, and the second half, as a Tottenham fan, frankly excruciating.

But look at the sheer jubilation as the silverware drought ended. This automatically qualifies Tottenham for Champions League play next season,

which is, of course, lucrative and fantastic for the fans for Man United, dejected after a lackluster outing, and frankly, a lackluster season,

little like spurs --

Amanda Davies, who is a Man United fan, joins me. One of my old mates, when I told them that I would be expecting my kids to be spurs fans replied, you

are setting them up for a life of disappointment. And frankly, mostly they weren't wrong, but I know it can't have been pleasant for you, but it was a

great night.

AMANDA DAVIES, CNN WORLD SPORT: Yeah, do you know what? It's a sad indictment of where I've got to as a Manchester United fan, that that's

just as business as usual as it has been in recent times. But this has been the season of it, hasn't it?

ANDERSON: Yeah.

DAVIES: Its Crystal Palace, Newcastle. You know people breaking those long trophy droughts and Ange Postecoglou.

ANDERSON: Yeah.

DAVIES: You've got to hand it to him and to those spurs' players. They did what they needed to do to win. You won't be saying in years to come, it

wasn't pretty.

ANDERSON: Yeah.

DAVIES: It wasn't a great game to watch. It was only one-nil, no shots on target, but they scored a goal. The important thing is, the hands are on

the trophy. The team have just landed back in London, and the big question is, what happens next? What happens to the team? What happens with Ange?

And we've been asking those questions to our Senior Sports Analyst, Darren Lewis, who's coming up in a couple of minutes, Becky, congratulations.

ANDERSON: Good. Now listen to that. Thank you, and I really hope they don't sack him. You know, there was lots of talk they'd sack him, even if we won

the one that I really hope they don't. He's a great guy. He's a great coach, and he just needs some support by the board, basically, anyway, and

some luck with injuries and all the rest of it, whatever.

I'm going to listen to you, chat about this after the break, and folks stay with us. I'll be back in 15 minutes time with more "Connect the World".

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