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Former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney Dies at 84; Polls Open in First Major Test of Trump's Second Term; IDF's Former Top Lawer Arrested Amid Criminal Investigation; OpenAI Signs $38 Billion Dollar Deal with Amazon; Liverpool Host Real Madrid in Blockbuster Clash. Aired 9-9:45a ET
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BECKY ANDERSON, CNN ANCHOR, CONNECT THE WORLD: Well, hello and welcome to "Connect the World" live from CNN's Middle East programming headquarters in
Abu Dhabi. I'm Becky Anderson. And we begin with a story breaking just hours ago out of the United States.
Dick Cheney, widely regarded as the most powerful vice president in American history has died. He was 84. His family says he suffered from
pneumonia and heart disease. The 46th vice president served alongside Republican President George W. Bush for two terms between 2001 and 2009.
He is being described as both towering and polarizing. CNN's Wolf Blitzer looks back at his life and legacy.
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GEORGE W. BUSH, 43RD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Gradually, I realized that the person who was best qualified to be my vice-
presidential nominee was working by my side.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For most of his adult life Richard Bruce Cheney was the ultimate Washington insider.
DICK CHENEY, 46TH VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: That I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I'm
about to enter, the duties of the office on which I'm about to enter.
BLITZER (voice-over): Named as George Bush's running mate in 2000, Dick Cheney quickly forged a public identity as a no nonsense, disciplined
gatekeeper, a powerful politician to whom and through whom access and influence flowed. But his appearance at the very highest levels of
government was by no means his first time in the national spotlight.
He began his public service career in the Nixon Administration, working in several White House jobs dealing with the economy. After President Nixon
resigned because of Watergate, Cheney worked for the new President Gerald Ford eventually becoming his chief of staff.
When that 29-month presidency ended, Cheney returned to the land he loved, to his home in Wyoming, but it was a very short stay. Elected as the
state's only member of the House of Representatives, Cheney returned to the capitol and served for a decade in Congress.
He was in the Republican leadership hierarchy when the first President Bush chose him to be his secretary of defense.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Faithfully discharge the duties of the office.
BLITZER (voice-over): In charge of the Pentagon, Cheney was almost instantly engaged in two of the American military's largest and most
complicated operations since the end of the Vietnam War. First, he led the removal of Panama's Manuel Noriega from power, and then Operation Desert
Storm, the American and allied response after the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam Hussein.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have, in effect, destroyed most of the Iraqi army. We have taken out most of the infrastructure. The lights are out in Baghdad.
BLITZER (voice-over): His experience, and steadfastness were of critical importance, and those traits were not unnoticed. Out of government for the
first time in years, during the Clinton Administration, Cheney became head of the giant oil services company Halliburton.
It was a job that kept him steeped in defense and foreign policy and a role that later became a lightning rod for his critics. By the time his old
boss's son secured the Republican presidential nomination, Cheney's health was a major concern. Three mild heart attacks and a quadruple bypass before
he was 50.
Doctors gave him a green light, but shortly after the 2000 election, he suffered another mild heart attack.
CHENEY: I've got a doctor that follows me around 24 hours a day that comes with a job as vice president.
BLITZER (voice-over): Cheney quickly became a target for Bush Administration critics, especially for convening oil and energy industry
representatives to a White House meeting and then declining to make public any contents of the sessions. And later, after the terrorist attacks on
9/11 he became, at times, invisible to the public.
Only a few people knew where he was for much of the time, but behind the scenes, Cheney was a driving force behind some of the biggest controversies
of the Bush Administration, including the second war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq. In 2007 I asked him about mistakes made and concerns among
some Republicans that the war had damaged the Bush Administration's credibility.
CHENEY: Wolf, I simply don't accept the premise of your question. I just think it's hogwash.
BLITZER (voice-over): Cheney's health problems returned after he left office, for a time drastically altering his appearance. Another heart
attack in 2010 prompted doctors to implant a battery-operated device to help his heart pump blood. His health seemed to stabilize after a 2012
heart transplant at the age of 71.
Cheney largely disappeared from public life until emerging at the site of the January 6th insurrection, one year after it happened.
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During a moment of silence on the House floor, Cheney accompanied his daughter, Wyoming Congresswoman Liz Cheney, also a member of the Select
Committee that investigated the attack. He was warmly greeted by the House Speaker, Democrat Nancy Pelosi.
CHENEY: In our nation's 246-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump.
BLITZER (voice-over): Later that year, Cheney tried to help his daughter's struggling primary campaign after she came under fire from former President
Trump and his devoted supporters over her work on the January 6th committee.
CHENEY: He's a coward, a real man. Wouldn't lie to his supporters.
BLITZER (voice-over): When Trump ran for president again in 2024 against Vice President Kamala Harris, Cheney joined his daughter in endorsing the
Democratic nominee.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dick Cheney will be voting for Kamala Harris.
BLITZER (voice-over): American politicians have no shortage of critics, and Dick Cheney was no exception, but there were just as many, perhaps more,
who saw him as a resolute, disciplined loyalist who wound up becoming one of the most influential and powerful vice presidents in American history.
CHENEY: The most important thing that any vice president needs to know is to understand what it is the president he works for wants him to do.
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ANDERSON: Well CNN's Wolf Blitzer reporting there. Let's get you to Nic Robertson now. Former President George W. Bush has just released this
statement. The death of Richard B. Cheney is a loss to the nation history will remember him as among the finest public servants of his generation, a
patriot who brought integrity, high intelligence and seriousness of purpose to every position he held.
Well, our International Diplomatic Editor Nic joining us now from London. You've just heard Bush's statement there. I wonder what you make of that.
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yeah. Look, I wouldn't quibble with what President Bush is saying. But you know the effect of
those character traits that were so powerful and important during his presidency have their legacy in your region today and beyond.
To be honest, you know, if you go back to the presidency of the father of George W. Bush, if you go back to his presidency, Operation Desert Storm,
Gulf War One, as it was known 1991 which was a response to Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait, the Iraqi dictator's invasion of Kuwait in the summer
of 1990.
It was Dick Cheney that helped persuade the Saudis back then defense secretary, helped persuade the Saudis to use Saudi Arabia as a main
launching base for that sort of international coalition of half a million troops that would eventually oust Saddam Hussein from Kuwait.
But there was a legacy that I don't think anyone quite foresaw at the time, that you had characters in Saudi Arabia like the young Osama bin Laden, who
would later use this large presence of international Western Christian forces in the heart of the Islamic world as a banner to call jihadist to
his side.
And I think then you fast forward perhaps, to the Iraq war in 2003 Gulf War Two, if you will. And Cheney very influential there in drawing a line on a
connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 attacks in Afghanistan. And I think, you know, historians look at China's legacy,
that decision that that wasn't founded, the 9/11 commission didn't later find that connection.
But the effect of Iran of U.S. troops going into Iraq, and the civil sort of breakdown law and order, breakdown in civil society, the growth there of
al-Qaeda initially, and then ISIS groups, the way that Iran was able to sort of gain influence in Iraq.
ANDERSON: Yeah.
ROBERTSON: And just to make a small point there, I think what's often overlooked in that analysis, which people talk about, is that China's
insistence on going into Iraq was a distraction from what U.S. forces were doing in Afghanistan, which actually went on to become the longest conflict
for 20 years.
And there are many who would say that going into Iraq for all the consequences in Iraq, the big mistake was to take your eye off Afghanistan
when you had momentum, and that war became what it was with those consequences too.
ANDERSON: Yep, being in this region of the Middle East as we are, it is arguing -- arguably, living with more of the legacy of Chinese policies
than any other part of the world, but you're absolutely right to point out that period of time in Afghanistan, as you point out the -- they took the
eye off the ball, as it were, and that continued until what three years ago.
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How was the American foreign policy of that -- Nic, different to Donald Trump's America First policy today?
ROBERTSON: The fact that the United States is much more cautious about overseas engagements, the fact that we see the United States pulling forces
out of the sort of east of Europe, of Bulgaria, Romania, the sort of support of the NATO's eastern flank against Russia's war.
The President Trump's very, very clear and precise language that there are going to be no U.S. troops envisaged on the ground inside Gaza to support
his sort of peace initiative there. It's made him and President Biden before him, incredibly cautious about these overseas engagements.
And you know, if you go back to Trump's first presidency, there, he was making a very hasty peace deal with the Taliban, which eventually fell to
President Biden, and that very untidy, messy, deadly exit from Afghanistan in the following summer of -- when President Biden became president so --
in 2021.
So, the net effect has been a greater degree of caution over the years and a pullback to a more isolationist position. Some would argue that was, you
know, go back to pre-World War Two, if you will. That always was the U.S. position. The world is much more integrated now, and it perhaps jars the
world order more to have the United States pulling back in this way.
But absolutely that's been a legacy of not getting it right in Afghanistan, not getting it right in Iraq and the broader Middle East, to a large
degree.
ANDERSON: Good to have you, Nic. Thank you. Well American voters are today heading to the polls with some major races on the ballot. These elections
are seen as a big test of President Donald Trump's popularity, and a key barometer for Democrats and Republicans ahead of what will be the 26, 2026
midterms.
Now much attention, both in the U.S. and abroad, focused on New York City's mayoral race. Democratic Socialist Zohran Mamdani is running against the
Republican Curtis Sliwa and Former Governor Andrew Cuomo, who is now an independent candidate. Well last hour, Mamdani cast his vote, and he made
one last push for votes.
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REP. ZOHRAN MAMDANI (D-NY): We are on the brink of making history in our city, on the brink of saying goodbye to a politics of the past, a politics
that tells you what it can't do and really what it means to say is what it won't do and to usher in a new era in this city where we understand that we
do not get to choose the scale of the crisis we face. We simply get to choose the manner in which we respond.
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ANDERSON: Well, in addition to New York, we're also keeping an eye on races for governor in New Jersey and Virginia. And California is voting on a
redistricting measure known as proposition 50 that could have big implications for next year's midterms.
Well, CNN's Alayna Treene following election day for us from Washington. And this is not a nationwide election, of course, but today's races are
expected to give us a check on how people feel about Donald Trump's presidency. What can we expect to learn?
ALAYNA TREENE, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Yeah, look, I mean, as you said, Becky, this is going to be the first major election really, since President
Donald Trump had his general election last November, and it's really the first time we're going to be hearing from voters across the country in some
key races.
As you said, this is not a national election. A lot of people, though, are looking at it as a barometer of sorts on the president, even though it is,
you know, local races. You have the Virginia Governor's race and other races there in New Jersey, as you mentioned, California, New York.
But a lot of times people do vote because of how they are feeling about the state of the economy, about the state of other very important issues,
immigration is another big one we know in many of these races. And so, it could be seen as potentially, you know, some of these votes being a measure
of how President Donald Trump is doing, of course, but let's just break this down.
I think one of the biggest races is that New York City mayoral election because, of course, New York, biggest city in the United States, one of
them, and also when we talk about President Donald Trump and the man in the building behind me, of course, his home city as well.
A very interesting development last night, though, was that Zohran Mamdani, he's been running as he's the Democratic candidate, but he describes
himself as a socialist. He's running against the independent Andrew Cuomo, who, I will say, was running as a Democrat, but lost the Democratic primary
to Mamdani.
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That's why he's running as an independent now, and the Republican all to say, with them, Trump put his finger on the scale last night, essentially
telling people to vote, not for the Republican Curtis Sliwa, but for Andrew Cuomo, because he believed that he would have a better chance at beating
Mamdani.
Gift of sorts, really, for the Mamdani campaign, but also Virginia, New Jersey, those are going to be crucial elections as well to really watch how
Americans are feeling and who they elect as their new governors.
ANDERSON: Yep, voting underway, we'll check back in with you next hour. Thank you. Let's stay on this. Our U.S. National Correspondent Jason
Carroll is in New York for us, and Jason, there's been an awful lot of buzz around Zohran Mamdani.
JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: OK.
ANDERSON: And he has traveled well around the world. A lot of people know his name. How has he galvanized voters there in New York?
CARROLL: Well, first of all, Becky, so busy here. Couldn't hear you earlier. So many apologies for that, but so busy in this city, at this
polling place, even now, it just gives you an indication of how much interest there is in this race.
Before I get to your question, just let me point out that this particular polling station, where we are on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, saw
record numbers of early voters. More than 16,000 people have come to this location during early voting, and that sort of tracks with what we've seen
throughout the city.
There were more than 735,000 people who voted throughout New York City. That's just during early voting. That is four times as many people voted
during the last mayoral race. So that gives you an indication of how much interest there is in this race. Much of that interest is because of the man
who is the current front runner.
State Assemblyman Zohran Mamdani, 34 years old, a progressive who has come up with ideas that have really resonated with a number of people, ideas
such as better transportation, more affordable transportation, more affordable housing, more affordable daycare, issues such as this.
Want you to hear what the candidate, the leading candidate, had to say just a few hours ago, late last night, actually on his -- on one of his last
campaign stops, about the message that he is still trying to get out to those who support him.
ANDERSON: All right, unfortunately, we haven't got that sound, but we will get it and we'll get back to you. Stay on it, Jason, thank you for that.
I'm toggling between two stories here. Obviously, we've got the Mamdani, the New York mayoral election going on, and those other races around the
country.
And of course, the breaking news today, in the past couple of hours, the death of Former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney. For more now on Dick
Cheney, I want to bring in Bob McNally. He served as White House Energy Advisor to President George W. Bush in that same administration where the
Vice President Dick Cheney was oft described as a towering and polarizing Washington power player.
Bob, good to have you. What was Dick Cheney like personally?
BOB MCNALLY, FORMER WHITE HOUSE ENERGY ADVISER TO PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Becky, great to be on. Thank you for having me. You know, as a 30 something
White House staffer during the California electricity crisis, and then the energy plan that President Bush asked Vice President Cheney to lead, and
then Iraq and so forth 9/11.
President Cheney was wonderful. He was a stalwart conservative. He had experience from previous administrations going back into the 70s. He didn't
want to repeat mistakes that were made in the past. He was a gentleman, and he was very popular among the other senior staff at the White House, and it
is very sad news.
So, I was an honor to work with them. And it's a tremendous loss for me personally, and I know folks who appreciated Vice President Cheney.
ANDERSON: Yeah, and he's been described as the most powerful VP in American history. You were a member of the Bush Administration. Just how much power
did Cheney wield, Bob?
MCNALLY: You know, I think it's sometimes overstated, even on energy issues, where Vice President Cheney had worked for Halliburton and new
energy other advisers in the Bush cabinet new energy. Look, I briefed President Trump, excuse me, President Bush, very sorry, President Bush,
many times.
And President Bush was in charge, Vice President Cheney would ask a question here or there, but from my experience, President Bush was in
charge, but on certain issues, especially regulation, taxation issues that involved the federal government stepping in and regulating or price
controls with electricity, were big issues for Vice President Cheney.
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He worked for President Nixon. He did not want to repeat the price controls of the 1970s. So, on certain issues, he played a big role because of his
experience. But President Bush was in charge of the Bush Administration.
ANDERSON: Well, he was certainly a big figure in Washington, whether or not he sorts of wielded ultimate power, and you're suggesting that he really
didn't. He was a big figure on the world stage too, and oft times controversial, not least in the region where I am, here in the Gulf and
wider Middle East. What do you believe his foreign policy legacy will be?
MCNALLY: You know, I think his foreign policy legacy will revolve a bit around his work with President George H. W. Bush and Iraq and the
liberation of Iraq, and I think that will be important. Of course, the controversy around President Bush's decision to liberate Iraq will also be
there.
He was played a role, but it was ultimately President Bush's decision. But I think, you know, the Vice President Cheney goes back to the 1970s. I
think his instincts were good, his relationships were solid, his advice was good, and I think -- President H. W. Bush, President George W. Bush,
appreciated having him at his side.
ANDERSON: It's good to have you, sir. Thank you very much indeed. Right, you're watching "Connect the World" with me Becky Anderson. Coming up, a
story involving a missing lawyer and a leaked video appearing to show violent assault has propelled Israel into a full-blown scandal.
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ANDERSON: Well, in Israel, a national scandal is taking shape. The former top military lawyer has been arrested in a criminal investigation involving
a leaked video from Israel's notorious Sde Teiman prison. It allegedly shows the Israel Defense Forces sexually abusing a Palestinian detainee.
The lawyer resigned last Wednesday, acknowledging that she approved the release of the video. She was arrested on Sunday after going missing for
several days. She has faced widespread backlash from the Israeli far right, even though the veracity of the video is not being called into question.
Well CNN's Jerusalem Correspondent Jeremy Diamond is following this for us. And look this fallout, Jeremy, frankly, overshadowing what appears to be
horrific abuse. Walk us through the video at the center of this scandal, if you will.
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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, Becky, well, this video surfaced a little more than a year ago amid this investigation into
soldiers who allegedly sodomized a Palestinian detainee at the notorious Sde Teiman prison in Southern Israel.
In this video that was reported at the time by Israel's Channel 12 news, and that is at the center of this leak investigation now into the former
military advocate general. You can see mass Israeli soldiers taking away one among dozens of detained and blindfolded Palestinians who were at the
Sde Teiman facility.
You then see three Israeli soldiers putting up shields, seemingly, it would seem to bar the view of what is actually happening behind them. You can see
one soldier who is standing behind the detainee in vision of the CCTV camera there, and that is the moment when this detainee is allegedly
sodomized by those soldiers.
Now it's important to note that several soldiers were arrested and charged in this case, with that prosecution being led indeed by Major General
Tomer-Yerushalmi's office. They are still awaiting trial, and none of them have been convicted as of yet, and they are certainly seizing on the fact
that this video was leaked as a way to try and claim that there is already a prejudice in this case.
The video itself was a huge scandal at the time, not just because of what is being done to this Palestinian detainee, allegedly, but more frankly,
because of the investigation into these soldiers, because of the leak of this video, right wing protesters stormed a military facility at the time
in protest of the arrest of these soldiers.
There was a huge right-wing backlash against the very investigation into these soldiers as well. But now, of course, the issue has evolved beyond
that to the fact that it was the military advocate general who now takes quote, full responsibility for leaking this video to the media of this
alleged assault of Palestinian detainees.
And in that statement, she also talked about the intense pressure that she faced, unfairly she contends from those right-wing individuals, right-wing
politicians for trying to carry out some accountability within the Israeli military.
ANDERSON: And what does this say about the state of accountability within the IDF today?
DIAMOND: Well, you know, you look at the statement from the Israeli Prime Minister, for example, before Tomer-Yerushalmi was arrested. And he said
that the video caused, quote, an enormous reputational blow to Israel, describing it as the, quote, worst PR disaster in Israel's history.
And again, this is despite the fact that this video itself is not actually being disputed, and that the allegations are, you know, corroborated, not
just by the video, but also by doctors who actually examined and treated this Palestinian detainee in an Israeli hospital following this incident.
And so, it just shows you how even Tomer-Yerushalmi, you know, it's important to note that she has not really done a lot to investigate alleged
Israeli military war crimes inside of Gaza. In her tenure as the military advocate general, she has carried out some investigations, but we have yet
to see any real convictions for any serious war crimes in Gaza, despite mountains of evidence pointing to alleged war crimes having been committed
inside of the Gaza Strip, multiple allegations by human rights organizations, by international monitors, et cetera.
And so, it is telling that the one time when she seems to have really tried to bring about a serious level of accountability for the alleged actions of
these Israeli soldiers, the kind of mountain of right-wing pressure that fell onto her was so enormous. And now it is also resulting, not only in
her dismissal from her position, but also in her arrest.
And she could face very serious charges of breach of trust and other charges as well for having leaked this information, and really for having
pursued some semblance of accountability within the Israeli military. When you look at the comments from the prime minister and other right wing
government ministers, it really just paints a picture of how any efforts at accountability within the Israeli military are kind of shunned, dismissed,
criticized.
And it raises questions about whether Israel is capable of carrying out any accountability within its own ranks.
ANDERSON: Jeremy Diamond on the story for you out of Jerusalem today, where the time is 04:29 just before half past the hour. Thank you.
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Ahead on "Connect the World", OpenAI and Amazon Inc a huge deal. Look at what both companies are getting out of it and what it means for in this
race for AI dominance. First up, though, it's time for the opening bell on Wall Street. This is a live picture today's better technologies and
aircraft, electric aircraft maker ringing the bell start the trading day.
They are also celebrating their initial public offering. Way to go, guys. We will get back to Wall Street after this short break.
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ANDERSON: Welcome back. I'm Becky Anderson in Abu Dhabi. You're watching "Connect the World". Right, OpenAI looking to expand its artificial
intelligence footprint by signing a whacking, $38 billion deal with Amazon. Now this deal allows the maker of ChatGPT, to access cloud services from
Amazon for the next seven years, it will use Nvidia graphics processes to boost its AI capacity.
The deal a win for Amazon, which has been battling Microsoft and Google in this AI race. Amazon shares surged to record highs on the news. It is
interesting, though, as I get you to my next guest author of the book "Blockchain", CEO of the Palmer Group and a Professor of Advanced Media in
Residence at Syracuse University.
Shelly Palmer, joining me from New York. I do want to bring up the markets today, because we may be looking today at a slide in some of these big tech
stocks. Let's bring up the markets so that we can have a look. The NASDAQ is down over 1.5 percent as we speak, and I've just been reading some of
the analysis as I waited to get to you, Shelly.
And you know, beginning to hear people say, look, these valuations are way overdone. It is time to take some profits out of these companies. We're
going to get to that. Firstly, let's talk about this huge news on OpenAI and AWS. Just how much of a win for Amazon is this?
SHELLY PALMER, CEO OF THE PALMER GROUP: Actually, it's a great win for Amazon, but in practice, there was no place else for them to go. Everybody
is out of compute. You do not want to put all your eggs in one basket. The need for GPU capacity is extraordinary.
And at the moment, everybody is talking about. And you know, you infer that the markets believe that this is overhyped, and it's time to take profits.
I'm going to be a little contrarian on this. I think this is under hyped, at least for the moment, and you don't even know where the top of this is
going to be.
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Amazon, it's interesting this deal, because they're literally rationing compute to their clients like my Fortune 500 clients who need compute for
the AI workflows they're deploying now are being basically rate limited on the amount of compute they can get. So, the idea that Amazon is going to
sign this deal and they're able to go and offer up this amount of GPU capacity to OpenAI is fascinating.
The big winner here is Nvidia, AMD, secondarily, and any other chip maker that's literally making the chips that are going inside these GPUs. I got
to say, this is -- it's a very obvious place to go. They weren't going to Google, that's for sure. So where else were they going to go for that --
compute.
ANDERSON: Yeah. We had a big AI related announcement right here in Abu Dhabi yesterday. Microsoft announcing that it will invest more than $15
billion in the UAE by the end of the decade. The UAE is on a massive push to be, you know, a significant player in this sort of global AI arms race,
as it were.
Which country or region at this point, or countries or regions, do you see as clearly standing out as having some significant leadership at this
point?
PALMER: Most of the computers in the United States followed by China, and everybody is playing catch up. And the question is, how much sovereign AI
modeling do you want to do? What I mean by that is every model is biased based on its training, it's pre training, and then, of course, it's post
training.
And those biases are real, and they are really on the way that the programmers and the foundational model builders think about the model. So,
if you want to preserve your country's culture, then you're going to need a sovereign model and you want to want that compute to happen on your soil if
possible.
You're not going to like order in for that amount of compute. So, I think Microsoft is doing a really interesting thing here. They're making a big
investment in UAE. They're going to, they need the data centers anyway. I think on a country-by-country business, this is going to be about who will
-- think about this.
And when we built oil fields all over the world, you went where the oil was. Well here where you need to go. You need to go where the electricity
is. So, if you can find electricity at a price, on real estate, at a price, that's where people are going to look to put their data centers.
The scarce resource here is electricity in any place you can get it. You're going to go and make the investment to put your data centers. You know,
geothermal power is really attractive. Solar is attractive. That's I think, the driving force here, not so much. Which country stands out, but which
can offer up the resources required.
ANDERSON: You got 30 seconds. You suggested at the beginning of this that you think certainly some of these valuations are below what they are likely
to be going forward. Why?
PALMER: Because the demand is going to explode. You're talking a fraction of the people who could use AI are using AI. Just track the way electricity
propagated itself. It was expensive and only for people with generators in the beginning. Then they put up power grids, and everybody got an air
conditioner and everybody got electric lights.
ANDERSON: Yeah.
PALMER: We're not at the stage where everybody's using AI when we are, the demand will explode.
ANDERSON: Always good to have you on, sir. Thank you very much indeed. There is more that Shelly has forgotten about AI on advanced tech than most
of us will ever know. It is always good to have him on. Thank you, sir. Still ahead, Champions League action resumes with a blockbuster clash
Tuesday night as Trent Alexander-Arnold returns to Anfield for the first time since his departure from there. More on that is coming up.
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ANDERSON: Well, if a Real Madrid versus Liverpool clashes enough to get you excited, we've got a tasty storyline tonight with Trent Alexander-Arnold
returning to face his former club for the first time since leaving in the summer. Amanda Davies joining me now. What kind of reception do you believe
he is likely to get from the cop?
AMANDA DAVIES, CNN WORLD SPORT: Yeah. I mean, that's the big question. Isn't it? Friends reunited or will it be there's pictures emerging of the
mural of Trent outside Anfield having been defaced earlier this morning. Of course, a player who played over 350 times at Anfield, who helped them to
seven major titles, was so integral to their recent success, who moved on a free to Spain in the summer.
Questions about whether his departure is what's led to the wobble at Anfield in recent times. This is going to be a big one. Real Madrid,
Liverpool would always be a big one. But there is definitely an extra little bit of spice ahead of this one this evening. And I'll be looking
ahead to what we think will happen in just a couple of minutes in "World Sport".
ANDERSON: Good stuff. That is on "World Sport", of course, that is up after this short break. We'll be back with more "Connect the World" in 15
minutes. Stay with us.
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