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New CNN/WMUR Poll: Rubio Rises Ahead of Cruz to Second; Donald Trump Speaking in New Hampshire; New Evidence Cruz Campaign Told Voters Carson Quit Race; Powell, Rice Aides Received Classified Information on Personal Email; CNN/WMUR Poll: Sanders Opens Up 31- Point Lead in New Hampshire; Barbara Bush Joins Jeb on the Campaign Trail.. Aired 7-8p ET
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[19:00:10] ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: Next up, breaking news. A brand-new poll showing Donald Trump leading in New Hampshire. Marco Rubio though on the rise big time passing Ted Cruz.
Plus, new evidence tonight that the Cruz campaign told voters Ben Carson had quit the race when it wasn't true. My guest tonight the Cruz campaign co-chairman.
And more breaking news, the State Department reeling tonight that classified e-mails were sent to the private accounts of Colin Powell and staffers for Condi Rice. What does that mean for Hillary Clinton? Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, the breaking news. Donald Trump with the big lead in New Hampshire. Marco Rubio now rising fast. He is in second place. The latest CNN WMUR poll just out showing Trump at 29 percent. Marco Rubio at 18. That is up seven points in just one week. That's a surge, although we have a wide margin of error here so that's important to keep in mind. Ted Cruz is at 13 in a virtual tie with John Kasich.
Now, right now, this is a live picture of Donald Trump. He is about to rally supporters in Portsmouth, New Hampshire speaking there already. Now, even though 29 percent of voters in this poll said they would vote for Donald Trump, here is something crucial, one-third of Republicans polled are still undecided. The bottom-line is at anyone's race with just five days to go.
Sara Murray is OUTFRONT tonight at the Trump rally in Portsmouth. And Sara, we've got less than a week, we are in the final days here. This poll is pretty stunning. Yes, he's in the lead, but we have Rubio with a big surge. You've got all these undecided voters. Any change in strategy from the Trump campaign?
SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Erin, remember the polls showed Donald Trump in the lead in Iowa too and they lost there. And they are feeling burned by that. They're not taking any chances pumping up his visibility in the state and also stepping up their efforts on the ground. Donald Trump is kicking his campaign up a notch. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have your vote, right? Do I have people's votes in here?
MURRAY (voice-over): Unwilling to let another victory slip from his grasp.
TRUMP: I'm actually starting to spend good money. And the reason is, number one, I don't want to take a chance, okay? Number two, I don't want to blow it.
MURRAY: On top of spending on the airwaves, today Trump doubled his schedule from two events to four.
TRUMP: Got to do it.
MURRAY: But with just five days until New Hampshire, Trump's campaign schedule is still relatively light, including today Trump had just six events planned before the primary. After losing Iowa, Trump loathed to admit mistakes acknowledged he could have built a more solid ground operation.
TRUMP: In retrospect, we could have done much better with the ground game.
MURRAY: In the day since, he's made a point of stopping by his campaign offices to rally the troops.
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MURRAY: One thing he's not doing. Downplaying expectations, making it clear he's playing to win in New Hampshire.
TRUMP: I've been here a lot. I have a great relationship with the people of New Hampshire. I love them.
MURRAY: A new CNN WMUR poll shows for now Trump is well positioned. He leads in New Hampshire with 29 percent support from Republican primary voters compared to 18 percent for Marco Rubio, who has moved into second. Meanwhile Ted Cruz at 13 percent is nearly tied for third with John Kasich at 12 percent. Trump's position on top has Cruz, the Iowa victor, sharpening his knives.
SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump is very rattled right now. He told the entire world he was going to win Iowa and then he didn't win.
MURRAY: And accusing Trump of being a sore loser after Iowa.
CRUZ: You could call it a trumper tantrum.
MURRAY: And after Jimmy Carter suggested he would prefer a president Trump over Cruz, the Texas Senator turned that around on Trump as well.
CRUZ: Jimmy Carter said the reason is simple. Donald's views -- this is almost a quote. It's not quite verbatim, it's close. Donald's views are malleable. He has no core beliefs on anything.
MURRAY: But Trump's vowing to New Hampshire voters one way or another he's ending up on Pennsylvania Avenue.
TRUMP: Seriously, who wouldn't want to leave? Although, I'm building a hotel right next door which is also located on Pennsylvania. I'll still be on Pennsylvania Avenue one way or another.
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MURRAY: Now, Erin, because New Hampshire is a primary and not a caucus state like Iowa, it is a little bit easier to get organized here and to make sure people turn up. But that said, people still want to see their candidate especially with so many undecided voters. So, I wouldn't be surprised if we see Donald Trump adding even more campaign events between now and primary day -- Erin.
BURNETT: Certainly doubling down. All right. Sara, thank you very much.
I want to go now to Trump's supporter Jeffrey Lord who served as White House political director for President Ronald Reagan. And the editor of The Weekly Standard Bill Kristol.
All right. So, Jeff, let me start with you. Trump is down a point in this poll. Rubio is up seven. Margin of error of course is seven. He had surge though. I mean, certainly you've gotten a Rubio bump after his performance in Iowa. Should Trump be worried?
JEFFREY LORD, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Well, you should always be worried when you're in these things. I mean, you cast a glance over your shoulder, but you keep ongoing. And you treat everybody in the race. I mean, there's Governor Kasich. There's Governor Bush. There's Governor Christie. You treat every single one of them as your rivals and you worked as hard as you can and you take absolutely nothing for granted.
[19:05:36] BURNETT: So, Bill, can Marco Rubio win? I know, you have made it very clear. You know, you've done your entire cover of your magazine against Donald Trump, but the point is, can Marco Rubio pull it off at this point? Do you think that that is real?
BILL KRISTOL, EDITOR, THE WEEKLY STANDARD: Yes. I mean, he gained seven points in the last week. He can gain seven points in the next five days until they vote. That would get him into 25. Trump, the late deciders in Iowa did not go for Donald Trump. It's not so much he didn't have a ground game. It's just simply that the people who are undecided or uncertain didn't break to him at all, so he underperformed his poll numbers. You could end up with Rubio at 25, Trump 23, something like that. That's quite possible.
BURNETT: So, let's talk about this undecided issue, Jeff. In the new poll, it does stand out as Bill points out. Undecided 34 percent. So, that's more than the people who say they're voting for Donald Trump at 29. Right? You've got undecided is higher than the Donald Trump group. And at 37 percent of voters said they would never vote for Trump. That's also the highest of anybody and it's up for 31 percent just a few days ago. So, is this concerning? I mean, are these unsurmountable challenges for Trump?
LORD: Oh, they're not unsurmountable. And, you know, the entire percentage is not going to vote against Donald trump. He's certainly got some folks, a lot of folks I'm sure who will break towards him. So, you know, but again, this is about having a ground game operation in New Hampshire, which is different than Iowa. There's different issues at play. There's different constituencies at play. New Hampshire very much sees itself -- I mean, I'm a native New Englander myself. They're very independent, and so, you know, you just keep on working and keep on working and eventually you'll get there.
BURNETT: So, Bill, you're talking about Marco Rubio. You think that he could pull out a win in New Hampshire. Obviously. That would be a stunner and truly transform this race. He is trying to run as an establishment candidate, but some people are criticizing him for going way too far to the right to try to pander to the base. Chris Christie is one of them and here's what he said.
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GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R-NJ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He's made it very clear that on the issue of pro-life, Marco Rubio is not for an exception for rape, incest, or life of the mother. Now, you know, I think that's the kind of position that New Hampshire voters would be really concerned about. Marco Rubio is just a guy who moves and shifts depending upon what he thinks he can get out of the electorate and what he thinks he can get from him.
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BURNETT: This issue of abortion, a recent Quinnipiac poll, Republicans overwhelmingly disagree with Rubio. I mean, 80 percent of the Republicans --
KRISTOL: So, he's not pandering, is he, Erin? I mean, that's the thing. Marco Rubio said what he believes. What he believes is he's pro-life, he's pro-life --
BURNETT: You don't think he's pandering to a base that actually votes in primaries, though?
KRISTOL: That was the base. I'm pro-life Erin and the base has supported every pro-life senator who has said yes to exceptions for rape and incest. And Marco Rubio has voted yes in the Senate for exceptions to rape and incest. What Rubio said, as I understand it, personally he does not believe that abortion is right in that circumstance, but he would support and has supported exceptions with rape and incest. So, what Christie is doing is really disgusting. Rubio said what he believes. Maybe it's too extreme, Erin. Maybe he would agree with it. People are entitled to vote against Marco Rubio if they find that offensive. But it was the opposite of pandering. The pandering thing to say is, I'm pro-life, but of course, I'm for these exceptions.
BURNETT: What do you say to that, Jeff? That's a pretty good argument Bill just put to the table.
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LORD: Well --
KRISTOL: Why are you laughing, Jeff? Do you think Marco doesn't believe what he said?
LORD: No, I think he does believe what he says.
KRISTOL: OK.
LORD: But I do think he has got a bit of a problem with the New Hampshire electorate. I mean --
KRISTOL: I agree with that too. I agree with that.
LORD: This is a state -- I mean, this is a state that is notoriously independent. You know, live free or die. So, I do think he's got a bit of a problem on his hands with it, but, no, I don't question his creditability on this, no.
BURNETT: So, Jeff, and a final question for though you about Donald Trump or he's adding rallies. Right? He says he's not taking anything for granted. But, you know, in Iowa obviously there's been reporting, you know, he didn't put a lot of people on the ground. He ended up regretting that. He's admitted that. Can he make up a ground game right now in New Hampshire to get out the vote at this late hour?
LORD: Yes. Well, I think he's been working on this a long time. And one other thing that I think he has going for him, his campaign manager Corey Lewandowski is from New Hampshire.
BURNETT: Yes.
LORD: And has been involved in New Hampshire politics over the decades. So, he knows, he himself knows the state very, very well and knows and has participated in get out the vote drives. So, I think that's a big asset for Donald.
BURNETT: That's interesting point. Well, thank you both very much. OUTFRONT next, new evidence that Ted Cruz's campaign told voters Ben Carson was suspending his campaign even though it wasn't true.
OUTFRONT tonight, Cruz's campaign co-chair.
[19:10:10] And breaking news. State Department investigators say Colin Powell and staffers for Condoleezza Rice got classified information through personal e-mail accounts. That live report coming up. And pictures of Jeb Bush's campaign event. This is going on as I speak. Live pictures, Barbara Bush there with her son in a very rare appearance and W. about to step up to the plate in a big way. We'll be right back.
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[19:14:19] BURNETT: CNN learning tonight of new voice mails from the Ted Cruz campaign that clearly state during the Iowa caucuses that Ben Carson was suspending his campaign. That of course was not true at the time and it is not true now.
Athena Jones is OUTFRONT live in Washington. And Athena, what are you learning about these voice mails?
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Erin, this is pretty remarkable. As you said, these are voice mails that a Cruz precinct captain received during the caucuses -- after the caucuses began on the caucus night. Now she provided this voicemail to Breitbart. But I spoke with her not too long ago. She confirmed their content to me. So, let's go ahead and play both of them. The first one is from a woman. I'm going to play that one.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It has just been announced that Ben Carson is taking a leave of absence from the campaign trail. So, it is very important that you tell any Ben Carson voters that for tonight, uh, that they not waste a vote on Ben Carson and vote for Ted Cruz.
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JONES: And so this Cruz precinct captain got that voice mail at about 7:07 just a few minutes after the caucuses began on Monday night. Several minutes after that, closer to 7:30, she got a second voice mail. Let's go ahead and play that one. The second one is from a man.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the Cruz campaign with breaking news. Dr. Ben Carson will be (INAUDIBLE) suspending campaigning following tonight's caucuses. Please inform any Carson caucus goers of this news and urge them to caucus for Ted Cruz.
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JONES: Now to be clear, both of these voice mails were reporting false information. CNN reported several minutes before the caucuses began that Ben Carson was not going to be going directly to New Hampshire or South Carolina, but that he would be going home to Florida briefly. But immediately CNN also reported that he was not suspending his campaign, he was remaining in the race, no matter what happens in Iowa. So, the plot thickens here. I should tell you though, this precinct captain told me, she did not hear these voice mails during the caucuses because she doesn't answer her cell phone while in meetings.
She was a precinct captain. She was there representing Ted Cruz. So she didn't hear them until after the caucuses. But she told me she did not believe they would have affected the results if she had shared it. In that caucus site where she was, her precinct, Trump won with 33 votes. Rubio came in second with 15 votes. And Carson and Cruz both got 12 votes. She did say though that she was glad that she didn't hear the e-mails because she wouldn't have wanted to pass on erroneous information. She doesn't believe that this made a difference in the final count in terms of the whole state.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Athena Jones. And of course it was a 6,000 points spread between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz in the state of Iowa.
OUTFRONT now, with the Ted Cruz campaign co-chair Bob Vander Plaats. And Bob, good to have you back with me.
All right. So, I guess I just want to give you a chance to respond to this. You know, we're learning about these new voicemails left by your campaign after the Carson campaign and reiterated Ben Carson was not dropping out. Do you know how this happened?
BOB VANDER PLAATS, TED CRUZ CAMPAIGN CO-CHAIR: I really don't. As a matter of fact, I just listened to those voice mails for the first time in my ear piece. I didn't recognize either voice. The thing is I think what's accurate there is I think a lot of precinct captains who did get those either voice mails or text messages or e-mails, many of them didn't not act on them, including myself. I have not heard from one voter yet in Iowa that said, they switched their vote from Ben Carson to anybody else because of that information. But Erin I did go back and I take a look at what Jake Tapper and Dana Bash were discussing.
And when they're discussing that Ben Carson was not going to New Hampshire and not going to South Carolina. They were basically writing his political obituary. And so, when people hear that get reported, it's obvious that they're going to move on it. Now, whether that's official campaign people or others that are just volunteering for the campaign, that's big news going into an Iowa caucus. If it's coming from a trusted source like CNN in a travel schedule saying I'm not going to New Hampshire -- and I don't believe he's going to New Hampshire yet. That's big news going into an Iowa caucus.
BURNETT: All right. And just to be clear, Jake and Dana never said that Ben Carson was dropping out. And on twitter, CNN's political reporter Chris Moody --
VANDER PLAATS: But if --
BURNETT: -- very clearly reported at that very second --
VANDER PLAATS: Erin --
BURNETT: Let me just make clear. Everyone knows that Ben Carson was not dropping out of the race. So, it was very clear to any Cruz staffer who was watching.
VANDER PLAATS: But Erin, Steve Deace, the national radio talk show host here out of Iowa, he played Dana and Jake's commentary. When you hear their back and forth, they're like this does not look good for Ben Carson. You don't go to Florida. That's a signal to everybody his campaign is in trouble. So, people hearing that and say they don't go the tweet but they're watching the telecast of that. Right away they think, well, he's in trouble.
BURNETT: But he's in trouble is very different than saying he's dropping out and possibly changing votes. I mean, you saw that one precinct and that captain didn't get the voice mails until after. But Carson and Cruz tied, they both got 12 votes. What if she'd gotten that voicemail and said something that was wrong and some of those votes changed? That would be wrong.
[19:19:25] VANDER PLAATS: Yes. And I think what it is -- messenger interpreted. I think the fact of it is Erin as this continues to get blown out of proportion, it didn't change anything. It didn't change the vote totals. Ben Carson still outperformed his polling numbers. But the reason we're still talking about this today is Donald Trump still doesn't like that he lost. And now you're taking a look at polls in New Hampshire where people are questioning his judgment and temperament. And can he hold on to a win in New Hampshire? So, that state is completely up for grabs as well. I'd say let the process play out. Let this campaign be about the vision and the ideas about principal conservative and let's see who wins this thing. But let's don't have it about something that actually didn't happen. Those results didn't change on caucus night. It was a well-run caucus with a highest of integrity.
BURNETT: Let me just read something from that precinct captain. The one who shared those voicemails with us that Athena was talking to, told Athena, she said, quote, "I was really upset that somebody would do this, referring to the voicemails, because I'm pretty much a straight shooter." And then she continued to say, "Cruz is paying the price for it because it came from his people."
I mean, Bob, what do you say to your people like this, you know, the people fighting for Ted Cruz every day on the ground, who feel that what this was was dishonest and that it came from the Cruz campaign, which of course is a reflection of Ted Cruz himself?
VANDER PLAATS: Well, I think though, what's a reflection of Ted Cruz is that Ted Cruz actually called Dr. Ben Carson because of how much respect and admiration he has for Ben Carson. He said, listen, if my campaign did something that was out of bounds, I want to apologize for that upfront. And he also said, what they should have done is put out a clarifying statement. But Erin, you know as well as anybody, these campaigns are hypersensitive, especially to information that's going to sway and maybe help their candidate. This is politics. It is a full contact sport. And when a news organization like CNN puts out credible information from credible reporters like Dana Bash and Jake Tapper, people are going to run with it.
BURNETT: But they did not ever say, I want to make it very clear. They did not ever say that he was dropping out of the race. And that's crucial. Saying his campaign may be in trouble or this is an unusual thing to do is very, very different from saying he's getting out of the race just moments before the caucuses began. Right? You agree with that?
VANDER PLAATS: Yes. But when I talked about this on the radio program last night with Steve Deace, it's very clear that these guys are signaling Ben Carson is getting out of the race. They don't say it, but they are signaling a serious candidate does not go to Florida instead of going to New Hampshire.
BURNETT: All right. Bob, thank you very much. Thank you for talking about this again. And I want to go now to David Gergen who served as an advisor to four presidents.
David, let me just asked you. You know what happened here. You hear the Cruz campaign, you know, defending their side of this. We now have these voicemails that came out. What's your reaction to this?
DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: It's a thin defense on the part of the Cruz campaign. I do think you have to say on behalf of Ted Cruz. That he had a much better ground game in Iowa than did Donald Trump. And that's what very likely what swung this race so dramatically away from what the polls said. And secondly, we don't have any evidence that any votes changed because of this. And we certainly don't have evidence that, as Trump said -- I don't think there's anything to back up what Donald Trump said about Cruz stole the election in Iowa.
BURNETT: Uh-hm.
GERGEN: Having said all that. And I also think it is true that as a Cruz precinct captain Nancy Bliesman has quoted tonight of saying, "It probably didn't cost Trump the election, but it tainted -- it tainted the Cruz victory." And I think that theme is going to carry on and people are going to be watching the Cruz campaign with great interest now to see. Because, you know, they had a controversy a little earlier about a mail order they put out that looked like you officially, you haven't done the right thing in your neighborhood and this is an official announcement.
BURNETT: Right.
GERGEN: And you better get your tail to the polls. So, I think the tainting question is there. But there's something else, Erin. Ben Carson probably isn't long for this race.
BURNETT: Uh-hm.
GERGEN: At some point, he may well drop out. It seems very doubtful now that he would throw his support to Cruz. Yes. And those voters are important. I don't know where he's going to take his votes. He may not take them anywhere, but it's hard to believe that he would now turn around and support Ted Cruz.
BURNETT: And very interesting point. Thank you very much, David Gergen, he will be back with us later.
And next, Colin Powell, staffers for Condi Rice, getting, you won't believe it, classified information on private e-mail accounts during their tenure as secretary of state. Obviously a significant development for Hillary Clinton tonight.
And from a political war to a drug war on the streets of New Hampshire, we are there as police battle suspected dealers. You're going to see this raid. This is pretty incredible footage right here in United States, in New Hampshire. Our special report. Only OUTFRONT coming up.
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[19:28:13] BURNETT: Breaking news tonight. A new report from the State Department revealing the former Secretary of State Colin Powell and top staffers for Condoleezza Rice received classified information on personal email accounts. The information was considered confidential or secret.
Our Justice reporter Evan Perez is OUTFRONT. All right. Evan, when you hear the headline, it sounds like, wait a minute. This is exactly the same as Hillary Clinton, is it?
EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: No, it's not, Erin. We're talking about a few e-mails here. In the case of Colin Powell, we're talking about two e-mails that have now been deemed classified by the State Department's inspector general. And in the case of Condoleezza Rice, we're talking about ten e-mails that were received by close aides to Condoleezza Rice when she was secretary of state. Now, this is part of a review that was done by the State Department's internal watchdog. And of course, you know, the Clinton campaign today seized on this report not surprisingly because they say it shows that they're not alone in dealing with the questions about classified emails -- on private, on private -- testified information on private e-mail. Of course, the big difference also is that Hillary Clinton set up a private e-mail server to conduct all of her government business while she was secretary of state.
BURNETT: So you say it's different, even though the Clinton campaign is trying to make it seem that it's very much the same. Has there been any response from Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice yet at this point?
PEREZ: Well, both of them are disputing what the State Department Inspector General has said. And we have a statement from Colin Powell in which he says that these were e-mails that were sent by U.S. ambassadors to his staff and then forwarded to his e-mail. And he says, he's looked at them and he's determined that there was nothing classified. And that, it certainly not a dozen years later to be considered classified.
[19:30:04] In the case of Condoleezza Rice, we got a statement from her staff at Stanford University, where she is now teaching. And she points out that she never used any email at all. It's her staff got this e-mails and she said that those e-mails did not contain any intelligence information, Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Evan.
More breaking news tonight: Bernie Sanders expanding his lead over Hillary Clinton as we have just a few days until New Hampshire votes. Despite Hillary Clinton's razor thin victory in Iowa, Bernie Sanders now has a 31-point edge over her, and chasm might be the more appropriate word. But polls may be wrong. He's up 61 percent to 30 percent.
Both candidates now trying to get the momentum after coming face to face with voters at CNN's town hall last night. Who came out on top?
Jeff Zeleny is OUTFRONT.
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JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's all about Wall Street. Five days before the New Hampshire primary, it's a bitter point of contention between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I do not know any progressive who has a super PAC and takes $15 million from Wall Street.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The Wall Street interest, the money interest, the Republican political interest, are spending a lot of money to try to defeat me. So, I just find it kind of a strange argument.
ZELENY: A day after the CNN presidential town hall shined new light on their competing visions, Sanders sent out a solicitation for $3 donations, fighting back against Goldman Sachs whose CEO called the Sanders campaign dangerous.
SANDERS: Goldman Sachs is not only a major financial institution. It is a very, very important political player.
ZELENY: And a not so subtle reminder of how Clinton struggled to explain her speaking fees in 2013 from that same investment bank.
CLINTON: Look, I made speeches to lots of groups. I told them what I thought. I answered questions.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN MODERATOR: Did you have to be paid $675,000?
CLINTON: Well, I don't know. That's what they offered. So --
ZELENY: Sanders faces obstacles of his own, even among his admirers who aren't sure he could actually govern.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have worked for many years to say it's my way or the highway.
SANDERS: People may portray me in this respect. It's not accurate to say it's my way or the highway.
ZELENY: He embraces an outsider's appeal, but Sanders served in Congress for a quarter century. As a former chairman of the Veterans Affairs Committee, he conceded being slow to react to the V.A. wait list scandal. But candidates also revealed a side rarely seen on the campaign trail. A rabbi asked Clinton how she balances ego and humility.
CLINTON: I don't know there's any ever absolute answer, like, "OK, universe, here I am. Watch me roar," or, "Oh, my gosh, I can't do it. It's just overwhelming."
ZELENY: She says she's guided by faith.
CLINTON: I get a scripture lesson every morning from a minister that I have a really close personal relationship with.
ZELENY: Sanders says he's guided more by spirituality.
SANDERS: My spirituality is that we are all in this together and that when children go hungry, when veterans sleep out on the street, it impacts me.
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ZELENY: And at a rally here tonight, Senator Sanders talked repeatedly about Goldman Sachs and their speaker fees and their huge contributions. He did not mention Hillary Clinton by name, but that was obvious to his crowd here.
Now, Clinton advisers are furious he keeps bringing this up, and they're challenging him to point to one area where he was compromised. Erin, this is clearly an issue that's going to be debated for the next five days until that primary on Tuesday.
BURNETT: All right. For sure, and even on after that. Thank you, Jeff Zeleny.
And OUTFRONT now, the former Democratic governor of Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, a senior adviser for the Correct the Record, which is a pro- Hillary Clinton super PAC. And Jonathan Tasini, a Bernie Sanders supporter.
Governor Granholm, let me start with you. The State Department now saying Hillary Clinton was not the only secretary of state to have classified information on her personal account. Obviously, hers was in her own server, but is the secretary vindicated?
JENNIFER GRANHOLM, CORRECT THE RECORD: Well, I think it goes a long way to validating two points. One, that she wasn't the only one. That this has happened, as she said, to other prior secretaries of state, certainly Colin Powell and the staffers of Condoleezza Rice.
And the second thing that I think it does is really validate that this is classification gone amuck. I mean, if Colin Powell is looking at his e-mail and is saying this is crazy, this is 12 years later, this doesn't have -- this is not jeopardizing the security of the United States and this inspector general is saying that it is. That argument is an argument that the Clinton team has put out forever and has said release her e-mails and you will see that it is not compromising the U.S. security.
BURNETT: So, Jonathan, Senator Sanders said Clinton's e-mails are a very serious issue. He said, the fact he hasn't slammed her on them, on the campaign trail, does not mean that she didn't do something wrong.
[19:35:05] Does the development today mean that this issue is dead for now, it's no longer a serious issue for Sanders?
JONATHAN TASINI, BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTER: Well, I haven't talked to the campaign, as you pointed out late breaking news. But if I could channel him, enough of the damn e-mails. I mean, there are very serious issues to discuss.
I'm going to speak for myself, because this is late breaking news. I actually agree with John Podesta, the chairman of the Clinton campaign, that this is overclassification gone amuck, and I made this point back in September, October, that there's too much overclassification in this country for information and there's enough for our side, the Sanders side, to question Secretary of State Clinton about whether she should be the Democratic nominee, but the email should have in my opinion --
BURNETT: OK.
TASINI: -- nothing to do with that.
BURNETT: All right. But we'll wait and see what Senator Sanders says.
But, Governor Granholm, one of the cringeworthy moments last night, many people talked about this today, was Hillary Clinton's answers to why she got nearly $700,000 from Goldman Sachs specifically for speeches. You know, you saw her there. She said that's what they offered.
Did you cringe? Was that a good response?
GRANHOLM: What I think you're missing is the second part of the response, which was basically point to a single time that I have been compromised as a result part of that. I don't take fees in order to meld my positions to accord with those who are paying those speaking fees. It's a one-time speech.
Here's what they got in exchange for their contribution to her speaking fee. They got somebody who proposed a tax on high speed -- high frequency trades. They got somebody who proposed more enforcement, somebody who wants to regulate the shadow banking system, somebody who wants to strengthen Dodd-Frank, somebody who wants to strengthen the Volcker Rule, so that you separate investment banking from commercial banking.
If they got that in return for their investment, I would say that would be a negative return.
BURNETT: What would you say, Jonathan? You agree? Did she just make the case?
TASINI: You know, I have to say, I laughed out loud at the really out of touch reaction to that. But I don't think she stumbled, which was kind of the reaction in the press today. I think she actually reacted in a very honest and straightforward way, which she doesn't see a problem in getting essentially what I think is legalized bribery.
Nobody gets paid $225,000 per speech. I don't care how good you are, to just come and make moments. It is about buying access and I think everybody in New Hampshire, the voters, voters across the country who make $50,000, $70,000 on their entire income are just going to look at this as legalized bribery and it is completely out of touch.
BURNETT: I thank you both very much.
GRANHOLM: Erin --
BURNETT: I have to pause there. I promise I'll have you both back to talk about that more because this issue is one of the biggest ones out there for the secretary.
And OUTFRONT next, heroin overdose deaths are soaring in New Hampshire. It's a huge part of the story. We went along on a raid -- this is incredible footage. This happened in New Hampshire in the United States. We're going to go to the war on the streets, a story only on OUTFRONT, next.
And Jeb Bush tonight bringing in his mom and his brother now getting involved in the campaign. Yes, W. coming out. Is it too late?
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[19:42:20] BURNETT: The presidential candidates confronting America's heroin crisis. Today in New Hampshire, ground zero for the epidemic. Ted Cruz speaking openly about his late half sister's struggle with drug addiction. In New Hampshire, health officials say there were more than 400 deaths last year.
And tonight, in a story you will see only OUTFRONT, Deborah Feyerick went with police on a raid to stem the heroin epidemic.
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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's a cold New Hampshire morning as the Manchester SWAT team quietly moves into position.
Within minutes, two suspected drug dealers are arrested and taken into custody.
BRIAN O'KEEFE, MANCHESTER POLICE DEPARTMENT: We're at war with the drug cartels and the drug deals not only in this city, but in the nation. FEYERICK: The raid is part of a federal, state, and local operation
called granite hammer. It's goal: stemming the heroin epidemic ravaging New Hampshire where every five days somebody dies of an overdose, usually heroin.
O'KEEFE: Five years ago in 2010 in this city, we seized less than 200 grams of heroin in one year. Now fast toward to 2015, we took over 27,000 grams of heroin off the street.
FEYERICK: The heroin crisis has become a key issue for the presidential candidates.
CLINTON: We can't be here in New Hampshire and not talk about the addiction problem.
SANDERS: It is a crisis.
SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It is a horrible disease.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That wall is going to stop so much of it.
FEYERICK: And it's weighing on voters minds here in New Hampshire.
Another home, another raid.
(on camera): The SWAT team is executing a search warrant on the second floor, an apartment, where a man is suspected of dealing drugs. The sun is barely everyone up. And surveillance suggests people, possibly buyers, have been going in and out of that apartment for the last couple of hours.
(voice-over): To understand the reach of the heroin epidemic, all you have to do is look at this map.
(on camera): This really shows what amounts to the poisoning of America.
MICHAEL FERGUSON, DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINSTRATION: It does. What's represented here is wherever you see orange is the Sinaloa cartel's influence in the United States.
FEYERICK (voice-over): Michael Ferguson is the special agent in charge of New England for the Drug Enforcement Administration, DEA, for short.
FERGUSON: Every city and town is a heroin epidemic going on today.
FEYERICK (on camera): I'm looking at this -- it's like a virus that's just spreading.
FERGUSON: It is a public safety, public health. It's a national security situation.
FEYERICK (voice-over): Ferguson says drug dealers are setting up shop in small towns across America where rent is cheap and the profit margin high.
[19:45:02] At New Hampshire's state police, forensic laboratory, technicians take in 750 new drug cases every month. That's 200 more than they can physically process.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a backlog of 3,500 cases. It is literally like shoveling sand against the tide.
FEYERICK: Still, back on the streets of Manchester, undercover uniform cops still try to make arrests, keep trying to hold the tide at bay.
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FEYERICK: And, Erin, when we talk about grams of heroin, ten grams is called a finger. That is enough for 330 doses, individual doses. So when you hear somebody say we took 27,000 grams off the streets, that's enough for more than 800,000 doses in that one area. That's the amount they're confiscating. Imagine what else is out there.
It's become so powerful and so lethal because now the cartels are mixing it with a synthetic opioid. And that is making it more powerful and that's leading to this really, the surge in deaths -- 120 people in America dying every day of a drug overdose because of heroin and other drugs.
BURNETT: It is incredible and something that has taken over the entire country.
FEYERICK: A hundred percent.
BURNETT: Thank you so much, Deborah Feyerick.
And next, Barbara Bush in a rare campaign appearance with her son Jeb. She is live with him.
And, George W. Bush, he is jumping in. Is it going to be in time?
And the many faces of a Trumper tantrum, as Ted Cruz calls it.
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[19:50:20] BURNETT: Tonight, a Bush family reunion in Derry, New Hampshire. Ninety-year-old Barbara Bush joining her son Jeb for the first time on the campaign trail.
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BARBARA BUSH, FORMER FIRST LADY: Jeb is the nicest, wisest, most caring, loyal, disciplined -- not by me, but he's not a bragger. We don't allow that. But he's decent and honest. He's everything we need in a president.
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BURNETT: And it's not just Jeb's mother. His brother George W. Bush made this ad for his brother.
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GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT: I know Jeb. I know his good heart and his strong backbone. Jeb will unite our country. He knows how to bring the world together against terror, and he knows when tough measures must be taken. Experience and judgment count in the Oval Office.
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BURNETT: All right. A Bush family show of force.
Phil Mattingly is OUTFRONT in Derry, New Hampshire, at that town hall going on with Barbara Bush and Jeb Bush.
Phil, you've been to many Jeb Bush events. Does it feel different now that he is bringing Barbara Bush there?
PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you can only listen to Jeb himself who came out and said, mom, usually my crowds aren't this big. There are not enough parking spots. You look behind me, get a little bit of a sense of a standing room only.
And what this really underscores here, Erin, is the Bush campaign is starting to pull out all the stops. Obviously, the super PAC considering the ad with George W. Bush, the potential for George W. Bush to campaign in South Carolina in a couple weeks, with Barbara Bush. The nostalgia is very, very sharp here. I've seen a number of Reagan/Bush '84 t-shirts that's been walked around.
Really what this means right now is there's an urgency. There's a couple of days left until New Hampshire. And for Jeb Bush, and a series of candidates muddled in that middle second tier of candidates, winning here or placing well here is crucial to moving on to the next ground.
One key point here, Erin, I'd point out, 60 percent of voters still haven't locked in on a final decision according to the latest CNN/WMUR poll. That means a lot of undecideds at play. These events matter. When you bring out someone like Barbara Bush, people pay attention and that is an important point to this campaign, Erin.
BURNETT: You're looking for a big upside surprise. As you point out, those undecided voters. Anything is possible. Thank you so much, Phil.
David Gergen is back with me now.
You know, David, pretty interesting. I guess my big question for you now, though, is, why did George W. Bush wait so long? He is an asset in terms of numbers. His approval rating, 52 percent, up 20 points since he left office. By some measures, more popular than Barack Obama.
Why did he wait too long to start to become more involved and now we just have this one ad?
DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: And also, we think George W. Bush is going to appear in South Carolina, and may well go other places. I think they waited because of the dynasty question. You know, that seems to be a burden for Jeb, and he wanted to do this on his own.
But I must say, Barbara Bush coming out, she was the best witness to who he is, as character of anybody in his campaign. Better than him. That often happens to a candidate. Sometimes they can't -- you know, they're not very good at promoting themselves and Jeb is not very good at that in his campaign but his mother was very, very good at talking about who he is how she sees him. That was effective.
BURNETT: Do you think that will move voters in New Hampshire, this big swing of undecideds? You got more undecided voters than people supporting the front-runner Donald Trump, do you think they could break for Jeb at this point? Is it possible?
GERGEN: I think -- I'm not sure you're going to see a big switch, but I do think that you're going to see a sense of a warm -- people seeing a warm family in a time when several of the candidates on the Republican side of off-putting for a variety of reasons.
There's something about Barbara being out there and the brother coming together with him that gives people a warm sense. And I think it will help him in New Hampshire. I don't think it will help him -- I don't think he's going to burst through but I think it will definitely help him.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, David Gergen.
And OUTFRONT next, Jeanne Moos on how the war of words has jumped the shark.
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[19:58:04] BURNETT: Trumpertantrums, I can't believe I almost mis- said the word, because that is the word now apparently. Here's Jeanne Moos.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Donald likes to put his name on things but when Trump lashed out at the Cruz campaign after coming in second in Iowa --
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Oh, that voter fraud.
MOOS: It was Cruz who put Trump's name into a new word for tantrum.
SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDNETIAL CANDIDATE: Or if you like it, yet another Trumpertantrum. MOOS: Trumpertantrum was an instant hit.
SHEPARD SMITH, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: It's spelled T-R-U-M-P-E-R-T-A-N-T-R- U-M, Trumpertantrum. It is the word of the day.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Trumpertantrum.
CRUZ: Yet another Trumpertantrum.
MOOS: #Trumpertantrum started to trend and attached to it were the usual assortment of doctored photos. Lots of crybabies, not to mention a creepy crybaby. Trump as Rambo, the silence of the Trumpertantrum.
A self-described guitar poet even sang a song.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trumpertantrum, Trumpertantrum --
MOOS: So, who actually dreamed up the word Trumpertantrum? Apparently, it was Cruz himself.
The Cruz campaign told CNN it was all Cruz, that's it just came to him.
Chris Christie, likewise, tried to coin a name for rival Marco Rubio whom Christie accuses of being scripted and controlled by handlers.
GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R-NJ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He kind of reminds me of the boy in the bubble.
Let's get the boy in the bubble out of the bubble.
We know who the boy in the bubble is up here.
SETH MEYERS, COMEDIAN: This comes from Christie, aka, the bubble.
MOOS: But did Donald Trump throw a tantrum -- when he heard this?
COOPER: He did say that you basically had a Trumpertantrum. Have you heard that phrase before?
TRUMP: No, I haven't actually. I love that phrase.
COOPER: You need to trademark that phrase.
TRUMP: I actually like that phrase. I'm going to trademark that.
MOOS: And if you ever feel a Trump inspired tantrum coming on, don't blow your top. Blow a Trumpet at the top of the Donald. A Swedish ad agency created this for fun. How do you say Trumpertantrum in Swedish?
Jeanne Moos, CNN --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trumpertantrum --
MOOS: -- New York.
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BURNETT: And thanks so much for joining us.
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