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[19:00:16] ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: Next, breaking news. Donald Trump tripling down on calling out a judge's Mexican heritage, demanding the judge recuse himself from the Trump University lawsuit. Paul Ryan just endorsed Trump yesterday. Is he already changing his mind?
Plus, Trump pointing a black man at a rally saying looking at my African-American over here. The reaction fast and furious.
And violence erupting between Trump and Clinton supporters, Clinton telling CNN, it's on. Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening, I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, the breaking news. Donald Trump in a ferocious attack against the judge presiding over the Trump University lawsuit. Trump tonight tripling down on his charge that Judge Gonzalo Curiel has a conflict of interest in the case, because, to quote Donald Trump, "he's a Mexican." Now to be clear, Curiel is not a Mexican. He's American.
He was born in the United States of America to Mexican immigrants. Trump's words raising a firestorm of criticism. House Speaker Paul Ryan, for one, who endorsed Trump only 24 hours ago, now says he completely disagrees with him on this. And here's Donald Trump in a heated exchange that we want you to see in full with our Jake Tapper, just moments ago.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE GOP PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I have had horrible rulings, I've been treated very unfairly by this judge. Now, this judge is a Mexican heritage. I'm building a wall, OK? I'm building a wall. I am going to do very well with the Hispanics. The Mexicans.
JAKE TAPPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So no Mexican judge could ever be involved in a case that involves you?
TRUMP: Well, he's a member of a society where, you know, very pro- Mexico and that's fine. It's all fine.
TAPPER: But you're calling into question his heritage because he's Latino. (CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: I think he has to recuse himself.
TAPPER: Because he's a Latino.
TRUMP: And then he also say, does he know the lawyer on the other side? I mean, does he know the lawyer? You know. A lot of people say --
TAPPER: And I'm not talking about that.
TRUMP: That's another problem.
TAPPER: But you're invoking his race when talking about whether or not he can do his job.
TRUMP: Jake, I'm building a wall, OK? I'm building a wall. I'm trying to keep business out of Mexico. Mexico is fine. There's nothing --
TAPPER: But he's an American.
TRUMP: He's a Mexican heritage. And he's very proud of it, as I am where I come from.
TAPPER: But he's an American. You keep talking about --
TRUMP: Jake --
TAPPER: It's a conflict of interest because of Mexico.
TRUMP: Are you ready? I have a case that should have been dismissed already. I have thousands of people saying Trump University is fantastic. OK? I have of a case that should have been dismissed. I have a judge that never, ever gives -- now we lose the plaintiff. He lets the plaintiff of the case out. So why isn't he cancelling the case? So, we thought we won the case.
TAPPER: So you disagree with his rulings. I totally understand that.
TRUMP: No, no. I've had lawyers come up to me, say, you are being treated so unfairly. It's unbelievable. You know the plaintiffs in the case have all said wonderful things about the school and they're suing? You know why they're suing because they want to get their money back.
TAPPER: I don't really want to litigate the case.
TRUMP: You have to.
TAPPER: Of Trump University.
TRUMP: Because if he was giving me fair rulings, I wouldn't say that.
TAPPER: My question is -- TRUMP: Jake, if you were giving me fair rulings, I wouldn't be
talking to you this way. He's giving me horrible rulings.
TAPPER: But I don't care if you criticize him. That's fine. You can criticize every decision. What I'm saying is, if you invoke his race as a reason why he can't do his job --
TRUMP: I think that's why he's doing it. I think that's why he's doing it.
TAPPER: When Hillary Clinton says --
TRUMP: Hillary Clinton is a stiff. If Hillary Clinton --
TAPPER: But Paul Ryan today said he didn't care for the way that you were attacking this judge.
TRUMP: Look, I'm just telling you. Paul Ryan doesn't know the case. I should have won this case on summary judgment. This is not -- this is a case I should have won on summary judgment. Do you know the law firm paid Hillary Clinton hundreds of thousands of dollars to make speeches? Do you know the law firm --
TAPPER: I do. And we reported it on my show. In fact.
TRUMP: Well, I'm glad. You're the only one. The law firm -- wait a minute. The law firm paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hillary Clinton. For speeches.
TAPPER: Before either of you were president.
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TRUMP: Everybody fall asleep during a speech.
TAPPER: Before either of you were running for president they did. (INAUDIBLE)
TRUMP: Do you know that they have contributed tremendous amounts of money to her campaign?
TAPPER: Yes.
TRUMP: Do you know they have contributed a lot of money to Eric Schneiderman? The New York attorney general?
TAPPER: Here's my question.
TRUMP: No, no, did you know that?
TAPPER: I did not know that.
TRUMP: Do you know that these people went to every attorney general practically in the country that they could, and do you know this case was turned down by almost every attorney general from Texas to Florida, to many of these states? TAPPER: Is it not what Hillary Clinton says, this is a racist attack.
And you reject that. If you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism?
TRUMP: No, I don't think so at all.
TAPPER: No?
TRUMP: No. He is proud of his heritage. I respect him for that.
TAPPER: You're saying he can't do his job because of it.
TRUMP: Look, he's proud of his heritage, OK? I'm building a wall. You know why I'm going to do very well with Hispanics? You know why I'm going to do very well with Hispanics? Because I'm going to bring back jobs and they're going to get jobs right now. They're going to get jobs. I think I'm going to do very well with Hispanics. But we're building a wall. He's a Mexican. We're building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings.
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[19:05:10] BURNETT: Now, you've seen that for yourself. We should note, of course, that this judge, one of the most important things that he did was say that the trial in this case would not happen until after the election. Now shortly after that interview, more inflammatory language Trump went to a rally after that interview in Redding, California. And while there, he pointed out a black man in the crowd. Here's how he did it.
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TRUMP: Look at my African-American over here. Of look at him.
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BURNETT: Jason Carroll is OUTFRONT tonight, he is traveling with the Trump campaign in California. He is in California.
All right. Jason, obviously you see that. It is a four-second clip of Trump referring to a black man who is attending the rally. What was the context if there is any context to explain that? And what is the Trump campaign saying tonight?
JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Let's start with the context. I mean, as you heard in that interview there with Jake Tapper where Donald Trump talked about how he will do well with first of all Latinos because he's going to bring jobs back. Well, he said the same thing here at this rally, except he said, the reason why he would do well with African-Americans is for the same reason that he's going to bring jobs back to the country. He then went on to tell the story, Erin, about another African-American man who attended another rally and how this man had kicked out a white supremacist. Then he turned and pointed out an African-American in this crowd.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: When we have a protester inside, which isn't very often. I say be very gentle. Please don't hurt him. Take care of him. If he wants to shout. If -- if he punches you in the face, smile. As your nose is pouring blood out of it. Be very, very nice. We had a case where we had an African-American guy who was a fan of mine. Great fan. Great guy. In fact, I want to find out what's going on with him. You know -- look at my African-American over here. Look at him. Are you the greatest? Do you know what I'm talking about? OK
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CARROLL: OK. So you heard it in proper context there. I mean, you know, the reality is, those who support Donald Trump support him in part because he's not politically correct. And that he speaks in plain language. Even if that language is at times offensive and the language that he used there, that term that he used, was offensive. Just like many people who are of Latin descent are offended by some of the things that he has said about them. Social media lighting up about this particular incident. Campaign Spokeswoman Hope Hicks weighing in on the situation, basically saying that no ill will was attended.
That Trump was trying to compliment this man. She said his comments were not racist. But when you're running for president of the United States, Erin, you know more than anyone, every word that you say, is looked at very, very closely. All of your words must be chosen carefully, but Trump is a man who says, I'm not necessarily going to do that. I'm not going to change my temperament. I'm not going to change my tone -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Jason, thank you very much. And we're going to talk much more about the, quote, "My African-American" comment in a moment.
Now, I want to bring in Reverend Sam Rodriguez, president of the largest Hispanic-Christian Evangelical Organization in the United States. Also with me, Trump supporters Jeffrey Lord and AJ Delgado and Tara Setmayer, Republican who opposes Trump.
Jeffrey Lord, let me start with you. OK? I just want to start here on the merits of Trump's argument legally, OK? In this case with the American judge who is of Mexican descent. Mark O'Mara, the criminal defense attorney who won the George Zimmerman case. We spoke to him. He just said in his words, there is absolutely, quote, no basis for this judge to recuse himself. And I -- and I go to the bottom-line point that I made a moment ago.
This judge's most important ruling perhaps was that he said that this wouldn't go to trial until after the election. So that Donald Trump would not be dealing with this during the election. So that it wouldn't possibly sway people. Do you think that Donald Trump has any standing here, to say this judge should recuse himself?
JEFFREY LORD, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Yes, absolutely. The judge should recuse himself. First of all, the judge is a member of this San Diego La Raza Lawyer's Association. Can you imagine if there are a lawyer in a case who was a member of the San Diego White Lawyers Association. On its face, this is a bad place for a judge to be.
BURNETT: Right. But we have, Jeffrey, just want to interrupt for a moment. Because there is a group called La Raza that is known for --
LORD: Right.
BURNETT: Far left wing policies. That is not the group that this judge is a member off, but he is a member of a professional group. How is that any different than we have in our business which is the National Association of Asian journalists or black journalists?
LORD: Right. Well, to the point exactly. It's all about the racialization of the legal profession. Let's just remember that now Justice Sotomayor gave all sorts of speeches which liberals applauded in which she said a quote, unquote, "Wise Latina would do better on the bench than a white male." This is about racializing justice. And it's wrong. And in this particular instance with Donald Trump, I mean, this goes far beyond Donald Trump.
This is a much larger issue. To be perfectly candid, I like Speaker Ryan, but I am utterly baffled that he has somehow, you know, gone from in two weeks from the party of Lincoln, Reagan and Kemp to the party of racializing justice. This is wrong and this judge ought to be out of this case posthaste.
[19:10:26] BURNETT: Reverend Rodriquez, what do you say when you hear that that this judge belongs to a group of Hispanic judges, Hispanic people in the legal profession. By the way, those groups exist for every single group in every single profession.
REV. SAM RODRIGUEZ, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL HISPANIC EVANGELICAL ASSOCIATION: Paul Ryan is right. Donald Trump is wrong. The judge does not have to recuse himself. And how about this? We have to stop using this futuristic conjugation that one day Donald Trump will build a wall. Donald Trump already built a wall. A wall dividing him and the Hispanic-American electorate. The Latino electorate. Even Latino conservatives. Even Latinos that are pro-Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Jack Kemp, Ronald Reagan, Abraham Lincoln supporters, these Latinos are now alienated every single time Donald Trump brings up the heritage of this American judge. He continues to add a cinder black, a significant piece of concrete, to that proverbial wall.
BURNETT: AJ, Donald Trump repeatedly, you just saw him there with Jake Tapper, said that Judge Curiel is Mexican. Now, just for the facts here. Judge Curiel is not Mexican. He is American, the same way that anybody who is born in this country is American. His parents happen to have been born in Mexico. When you hear this, as someone who supports Donald Trump, do you in any way scratch your head and say, this is wrong?
AJ DELGADO, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: And not at all. I'm scratching my head at the media's reaction, actually. I'm Cuban-American, I refer to myself as Cuban. My friends and family call ourselves Cuban. It's perfectly normal. And I have Mexican-American friends that refer to themselves as Mexican. So, I don't see the controversy there. As far as the actual judge goes, I do completely agree with Donald Trump that he should consider recusing himself. As a Latina myself, if I were issuing the type of questionable rulings that this judge has issued in this case, I would naturally expect Donald Trump to say or any plaintiff in his position to say, hey, by the way, is it possible the comments I made a year ago about Latinos offended you and is that affecting your ruling?
I wouldn't be offended by that. And maybe I would think and say, hey, maybe I should step down. So I think the problem is, you've had for a year the media saying there is no way that Latinos support Trump. There is no way that Latinos weren't offended by what Trump said. All Latinos dislike Trump. Which is not true but that's what the media narrative has been. And then today, there has been a 180 with the media now saying, oh, Latinos don't like Trump but there is no possible way that this Latino judge dislikes Trump. How could that be? You can't have it both ways. It's one of the other. Either Latinos don't like Trump or there is a possibility that this judge -- has some personal animus against him.
BURNETT: So, Reverend Rodriguez, AJ, referring to -- you hear AJ referring to Latinos and Latinas as sort of one monolithic group. You either like him or you don't like him. Your response?
RODRIGUEZ: No, no. Donald Trump has a Latino issue. Indeed. I mean, we could see that. Look, I have great angst. I mean, with Donald Trump's rhetorical demagoguery and hyperbole. He's alienating the very demographic that supported George W. Bush with 44 percent of the vote. Twenty seven percent Mitt Romney. And it's possible to occupy Pennsylvania Avenue unless you engage Latinos in had Colorado, New Mexico and Florida. So he has a Latino issue. Why does he continue to stoke the fire by mentioning the ethnic heritage of an American judge? It's counterintuitive, counter-productive. In my opinion, it's wrong. Stop using the race issue and focus on the policies that need to be addressed as expeditiously as possible.
BURNETT: Tara.
TARA SETMAYER, FORMER COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR REP. DANA ROHRABACHER (R): I am just fascinated, astonished, dismayed, horrified by this conversation. We are sitting here actually justifying a presidential candidate who is racially profiling a judge because he happens to be of Mexican descent, saying that a federal judge, who, by the way, has presided over dozens of drug cases against the drug cartels, mostly from Mexico.
BURNETT: Right.
SETMAYER: Successfully gone after them hard. So apparently he is capable of putting his, quote, "Mexican bias," apparently, aside when it comes to that. But because Donald Trump isn't getting his way in a fraud case, which has been brought against him on both -- excuse me, both coasts -- you know, he's throwing a temper tantrum. Not only that, but the fact that he is so hell-bent on pointing out the ethnicity of the judge, a judge is a judge, because they are not the average person. They're there because they're supposed to have the blinders of justice on to be able to preside over a case and present their unbiased judgment. BURNETT: Uh-hm.
[19:15:06] SETMAYER: And to claim that -- I just want everyone to sit here and substitute the word Mexican for black. For women. For any other group that is considered to be not acceptable when you racially, you know, they branch them out or by gender. And this would not be the same conversation. It's unacceptable and anyone, that's justifying this should be ashamed of themselves.
BURNETT: AJ, let me get you in here. You were rolling your eyes.
DELGADO: Yes. You know, first of all, as to the Reverend's point, Donald Trump doesn't have a Latino problem. A recent poll on My 31st by NBC in the Wall Street Journal showed he's polling at 32 percent. Reverend, that's five points higher than Romney got. And who won the Latino vote in New York City in the GOP primary? That would be Donald Trump. He doesn't have a Latino problem. He has the support of millions of Latinos.
BURNETT: All right.
DELGADO: And as for Tara's point about judges, I'm sorry, Tara, but it's un-American to say that we cannot question judges in this country. We do it --
(CROSSTALK)
SETMAYER: Not their ethnicity! It's racist.
DELGADO: You're being un-American!
SETMAYER: No, I'm not!
(CROSSTALK)
SETMAYER: -- and judge people by the color of their skin or ethnicity. This is not unacceptable.
DELGADO: Don't lie. He's not questioning his ethnicity. You're lying.
SETMAYER: He said he's a Mexican. He has an inherent bias. What do you think that means?
DELGADO: This is not about ethnicity. It's about whether he was bothered by the comments a year ago. You need to tone it down.
SETMAYER: No.
DELGADO: And look at the context of what he said.
SETMAYER: He said he's a Mexican and he's building a wall.
(CROSSTALK)
BURNETT: OK. You're all going to be back with me. I do just want to say on that poll, we're going to talk more about polls in a moment. Not a poll that we actually recognize here. We have right now Donald Trump polling at 18 percent among Hispanics.
OUTFRONT next, Trump calling a Black man, quote, "My African- American." Those comments creating a massive firestorm. We're going to have that after this.
Plus, Clinton and Trump supporters in violent clashes. Tonight, Clinton putting the blame squarely on Trump. And Trump's golf courses. He pays really low taxes on some really valuable real estate. Our special report coming up.
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[19:20:21] BURNETT: Breaking news tonight. Donald Trump in the hot seat. The likely GOP nominee under fire for controversial remarks he made moments ago about a Black supporter at a rally in California. Here he is.
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TRUMP: Oh, look at my African-American over here. Look at him. Are you the greatest? Do you know what I'm talking about? OK.
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BURNETT: The Trump campaign just responding to CNN, saying Trump was just referring to a supporter and it is, quote, "Ridiculous to accuse him of being racist." This comes as the fight between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump becomes even nastier and more personal. And she, of course, is going after these issues tonight.
Manu Raju is OUTFRONT.
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MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The battle for the White House is now a race to define the other, as too flawed to be president.
TRUMP: I think Hillary is very weak. I think she's pathetic. I think she should be in jail for what she did with her emails.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He doesn't really have ideas. He just engages in rants and personal feuds and outright lies. Something that our country cannot afford in a commander-in-chief.
RAJU: Tonight, in dueling interviews with CNN's Jake Tapper, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump continue their war of words. Trump sharply questioning Clinton's judgment over the Iraq war.
TRUMP: She mentions that I'll bring us into war. She is the one that wanted to go into Iraq. I mean, she raised her hand. She didn't know what the hell she was doing. She raised her hand.
CLINTON: Well, he supported it. We have evidence and audio of him supporting it. So I think that's another example of him trying to rewrite history.
RAJU: Clinton just days away from her expected clinching of the nomination, already looking past her primary foe, Bernie Sanders. And preparing for what already is an ugly general election.
CLINTON: An economic policy, I think he is really missing the whole point, and disqualified. What does he say about education? Not a word.
RAJU: Last night, outside of Trump's rally in San Jose, scores of demonstrators angrily protesting the real estate mogul's hard line views on immigration. And some violently attacking Trump supporters and even burning the American flag. Clinton telling CNN, the violence has to stop. But her opponent has a role in its rise.
CLINTON: I condemned it when Donald Trump was inciting it. And congratulating people who were engaging in it. I condemn it by those who are taking violent protests to physical assault against Donald Trump. This has to end.
RAJU: And a rally this afternoon in Redding, California, Trump criticizing the anti-Trump protesting.
TRUMP: The thugs last night in San Jose. And then there's Democrat mayor gets up, he said, whoa, I think it was Donald Trump -- I don't even say -- you know what I say now? When we have a protester inside, which isn't even very often. I say, be very gentle. We had a case where we had an African-American guy who was a fan of mine. Great fan. Great guy. In fact, I want to find out what's going on with him. You know what -- look at my African-American over here. Look at him. Are you the greatest? You know what I'm talking about?
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RAJU: Looking at his African-American supporters, really the type of thing that deeply worries Republicans here in Washington. Having to respond to their standard barriers clumsy and at times offensive comments, that's one reason why the Republican leadership like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell has spoken out against Trump on some of these issues in recent days. They're hoping that their members who were in top races (ph) can distance themselves from Trump and run their own campaign. Especially when their nominee says some controversial things -- Erin.
BURNETT: Manu, thank you.
OUTFRONT now, Donald Trump supporter Jason Osborne, former Mayor of Philadelphia Michael Nutter, Hillary Clinton supporter. And the founder and senior pastor of New Spirit Revival Center Darrell Scott. He's a Donald Trump supporter. Tara Setmayer also back with me.
Mayor Nutter, you've heard it multiple times now. Trump referring to my African-American at that rally in California today. Manu I think setting it up very well. Clumsy or racist?
MICHAEL NUTTER (D), FORMER MAYOR OF PHILADELPHIA: Ignorant. You know, just when you think you've heard, you know, the last dumb, crazy, weird, bizarre thing, now we have the attack on the American judge and his heritage. The pointing out of a singular African- American at a rally. I mean, I just -- I don't get that. And this is some very strange and disturbing behavior by this individual. And I think that Republicans, who have endorsed him, like Speaker Ryan, just yesterday, and he blows it up and he's going to take down many of the Republicans in their respective races all across the country with this kind of bizarre behavior.
[19:25:06] BURNETT: Pastor Scott, you were a vocal Donald Trump supporter, you have supported him through thick and through thin. But you sit and you hear this as an African-American. As a Black man. Donald Trump referring to a Black man's rally as look at my African- American. How does that make you feel? Does it bother you at all?
PASTOR DARRELL SCOTT, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: No it doesn't bother me at all. Because I know Donald Trump, and I know his -- well, I know him better than a lot of other people do. I really believe he was utilizing that as a term of endearment. He's trying to learn to be more politically correct and use the politically correct terms. And America has never been this sensitive before. I mean, this entire country is walking on egg shells. And I believe it's indicative of the racial climate of this country. That everybody is walking on egg shells. I mean, to be honest, Erin, in my lifetime, we've been, you know, politically correct terms for us when I was child.
We were colored and then from there, we were Negroes and then James Brown sang a song saying, say it loud I'm Black and I'm proud. And then we move from being Black, to being people of color. And then now we're African-Americans. And so, you know, I believe what people are trying to say is racial for Donald Trump. It's not racial. It's cultural. And he's trying to utilize the right terminology and it was a term of endearment. Look at my supporters here. He looks out and sees an African-American in the crowd, he's genuinely glad that he's there and he wanted to give him some recognition. I don't think he was trying to treat him like he's sand bow or buck wheat or anybody like that or trying to denigrate the man in any kind of way. He was generally appreciative to see him there and he expressed his appreciation.
BURNETT: OK. Tara?
SETMAYER: I'm telling you. This is like political Stockholm syndrome when I hear this Trump supporters --
BURNETT: Terms of endearment.
SETMAYER: -- justify this. My blank is not a term of endearment. So, you know, it's -- when you sit here and say, it is not about the fact that he called him an African-American. It's the fact that he felt the need to have to point him out because he was Black and in the crowd and say, oh, look, there's my African-American, like does he own you? Does he own his, quote, "fans?" I mean, this is not the first time -- he's --
SCOTT: Well, Tara, that's no different than Hillary Clinton saying -- that's no different than Hillary Clinton saying she carries hot sauce in her purse.
NUTTER: She does, Pastor.
SCOTT: I saw Hillary Clinton at a town hall meeting with some Black journalists, and she did the whip and the nae nae. Now, come on.
SETMAYER: So what does that have to do --
NUTTER: What does this have to do with this language?
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BURNETT: Should he apologize, Jason? Should he apologize?
JASON OSBORNE, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: No, because I think -- look, if you've done a campaign, and there's a few -- there's two of us here that have done campaigns before. You get in the mood and then we talked about this earlier in the green room, which is the sense that he is in the heat of the moment. And he's looking at the crowd, he just got through talking about Obama, not liking the Clintons and he looks out in the crowd, which is not unusual for him. He's done it with veterans, he's done it with elderly.
BURNETT: Picks people out of crowds, true.
OSBORNE: He's done it. And he brings them up on stage. And I think his words got ahead of his -- his brain got ahead of his words. And so he wasn't -- it wasn't him saying, that's my African-American. Honestly, and he speaks for himself. I could see it in his mind saying, that I have African-American support. Look, here's some right here.
SETMAYER: Then why didn't he just say that?
BURNETT: I mean, that is what he was trying to say.
NUTTER: Who knows what he's actually trying to say. But this is a 60-plus-some-year-old man who is still trying to figure out how to treat people decently and use some language that makes some sense. So, I don't know what that heated the moment was. He's at his own rally. It wasn't like an intense circumstance or situation.
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OSBORNE: You understand these things.
NUTTER: I get that.
OSBORNE: If you look at 2007 --
BURNETT: Hold on one second, Pastor Scott. Let Jason finish. Let Jason finish. I'm going to come to you.
OSBORNE: Where is the comparison? If Hillary Clinton wants to start comparing, you know, sort of racist comments, when Bill Clinton sat there and called Barack Obama a fairy tale and a kid. There was outrage. Donna Brazil was on this network talking about how racist that is. And so for now Hillary Clinton to come out and say, look at Donald Trump being a racist when it was a flab, it was a word, was not in the right place. It was --
(CROSSTALK)
NUTTER: -- A pattern here. I mean, first we're on the judge who is American. And you're trying to litigate your case out in public that is not going to happen until sometime next year and you keep this dialogue going. I mean, he's got it like a loop tape or something in his head and just keeps saying it over and over and over again. I'm building a wall, I'm building a wall, I'm building a wall. What does that have to do --
OSBORNE: This is also a judge -- this is also a judge that just last week said, you know, this court decision and its honor has been impugned. I'm releasing these records. I'm unsealing files in this lawsuit.
(CROSSTALK)
NUTTER: I don't know anything about this case. I don't care about the case. It's a pattern with him. He cannot -- he can't control himself.
[19:30:00] BURNETT: Hold on, hold on. It was in response to a freedom of information act request from the "Washington Post." OK?
OSBORNE: But he also injected that he acknowledged that Trump had made comments about him and that court. I'm defending Donald Trump's right to say that he is of Mexican heritage. That's Donald Trump -- no, I'm not, Tara.
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TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You are. He used his ethnicity. You can be critical of the judge for making different decisions against him. But bringing up his ethnicity is what the u I that's a problem.
Just like on the other side, we as conservatives and Republicans have always criticized liberals. Things that racist things that Joe Biden said about, you know, you can't go into a Duncan Donuts without an Indian accent. Those are things we were horrified about. So stop being a hypocrite --
BURNETT: We laugh about the Joe Biden thing all of the time.
PASTOR DARRELL SCOTT, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Tara, you're trying to act like you're not aware of the racial climate in America. The only reason I stand out as a Trump supporter is because I'm black.
SETMAYER: Apparently, according to Donald Trump.
SCOTT: As an African-American supporter of Trump, as a black supporter of Trump. So don't try to act like we're in America but we don't understand the racial climate of this country.
SETMAYER: So you're acknowledging it's OK for Donald Trump to parade you out as a political pawn.
BURNETT: Hold on, hold on. Can't hear you both at the same time.
SCOTT: I still have my ear to the ground and the black community. And there are so many blacks who hope they don't get white judges. So don't try to act like you're not aware of culture in America.
SETMAYER: So you're OK, then, with people being racist. You're okay then. You're okay with Donald Trump using race and then people being racial, you're OK with that.
SCOTT: You're like that. You find me an aberration because I'm black and I support Trump.
SETMAYER: I didn't say that. Donald Trump does.
SCOTT: Right now you look at me as an aberration.
(CROSSTALK)
BURNETT: Final word.
MICHAEL NUTTER, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: This is not about any of the four of us. Donald Trump is running for of America. He cannot control himself.
BURNETT: OK.
We can't hear when you all talk at the same time. I'm going to end it there. Thank you very much.
OUTFRONT next, one day after Paul Ryan endorsed Donald Trump, the House speaker blasted Trump for attacking the judge in the Trump University lawsuit. So could he back out of his endorsement, right to the heart of what we have been talking about so far this hour.
And our special report on Trump's golf course. The taxes he pays on them. Is it is it one reason he's not releasing his returns?
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[19:36:24] BURNETT: New tonight, House Speaker Paul Ryan pushing back against Donald Trump, less than 24 hours after endorsing him, because of the presumptive nominee's latest attack on an American judge. Ryan saying he's completely disagrees with Trump's view that the judge in the Trump University case has a conflict of interest because of his Hispanic roots.
Sunlen Serfaty is OUTFRONT.
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SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump escalating his attacks on the judge overseeing the lawsuit against Trump University.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Now, this judge is of Mexican heritage. I'm building a wall, OK? I'm building a wall.
SERFATY: The presumptive Republican nominee telling CNN's Jake Tapper that Judge Gonzalo Curiel born to Mexican immigrant parents should recuse himself from the case.
Trump's wave of attacks prompting a rebuke today from House Speaker Paul Ryan, who yesterday announced his support for the billionaire.
REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: The comment about the judge yesterday was out of left field from my mind. I completely disagree with the thinking behind that.
SERFATY: Trump is attempting to smooth over another rift within the Republican Party, trying to clean up his criticism of New Mexico's Susana Martinez, the nation's only Latina Republican governor.
TRUMP: We have to get your governor to get going. She's got to do a better job, okay? Your governor has got to do a better job.
SERFATY: Now, Trump is extending an olive branch, telling a new Mexico newspaper, he would like Martinez's endorsement, saying, quote, "I respect her. I have always liked her."
Martinez, who has been critical of Trump's rhetoric over immigration, is withholding her endorsement.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it possible you might not endorse him, ma'am?
GOV. SUSANA MARTINEZ (R), NEW MEXICO: I'm waiting to hear from him as to addressing the issues facing New Mexico.
SERFATY: Republican leaders are urging Trump to tone down his rhetoric, warning it's doing harm to the party's outreach to Hispanics.
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MAJORITY LEADER: Going after Susana Martinez, the Republican governor of New Mexico, the chairman of the Republican Governors Association, I think it was a big mistake. What he ought to be doing now is try to unify the party.
SERFATY: Trump, though, does not seem to share those concerns.
TRUMP: The Hispanics, we love the Hispanics. Thank you, everybody.
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SERFATY: And the Clinton campaign is wasting no time at all picking up on all of this. A Clinton spokesperson saying the fact that Donald Trump doesn't see the judge and his family as Americans makes him unfit to be president. That's the line of attack the Clinton campaign has really been hammering down on Trump for the last 24 hours. Erin, clearly seeing this as falling right into that argument.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Sunlen.
And back with me now, Donald Trump supporter, Jason Osborne, former mayor of Philadelphia, Michael Nutter, Hillary Clinton supporter, and Reverend Sam Rodriguez, president of the largest Hispanic Christian evangelical organization here in the United States.
Jason, it wasn't 24 hours. Paul Ryan comes out, says he's not ready to endorse Donald Trump, takes his time, they have this meeting. He final comes out yesterday and says he's voting for him. Explains why.
Now, it's not 24 hours later and says he completely disagrees with everything Trump says about this judge. Should Ryan take this endorsement back?
JASON OSBORNE, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: No, I think he was very clear when he said in the endorsement he may not agree with Donald Trump on everything. And I think that's our right. I certainly don't agree with Donald Trump on every single issue.
So him coming out today, I think it was just kind of coincidence. But no, he's not going to take back the endorsement.
BURNETT: Should he?
NUTTER: Well, I'll leave it to Speaker Ryan. I didn't advise him to endorse Donald Trump in the first place.
But I think he's rethinking -- he has to be thinking, is this what it's going to be like from now through November? Donald Trump is showing us every day who he is, the real person. No mysteries with him.
[19:40:01] He has no filter. He has no ability to contain himself.
And what Speaker Ryan, I know -- has to be worried about, as a former candidate, he's worried about his fellow House Republicans, and their races, because every Democrat is going to take every one of these remarks, tag their opponent with them, because they're supporting Donald Trump. That's what the speaker is worried about.
BURNETT: Reverend Rodriguez, Paul Ryan does seem very hesitant right now. So, obviously, he came around and puts this out. He's here's a little bit more about what he had to say today about Donald Trump and the concerns he has.
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RYAN: He clearly says and does things I don't agree with. And I've had to speak up from time to time when that has occurred and I'll continue to do that if necessary. I hope it's not.
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BURNETT: I mean, he hopes it's not. I mean, Reverend Rodriguez, do you think he should reconsider? If someone like Paul Ryan were to say, you know, what I thought about it, I know it's going to hurt me to look like I'm not a person of conviction, but I'm changing my mind, I'm no longer backing him, what would that mean?
REV. SAM RODRIGUEZ, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL HISPANIC EVANGELICAL ASSOCIATION: That would be a tipping point, indeed. Speaker Ryan should be commended and applauded for that stern rebuke. Again, Donald Trump's comments of Susana Martinez, who in the Latino conservative movement is a rock star.
And, again, the demagoguery regarding the judge in southern California, it speaks to what one of your previous guests erroneously referenced, this idea that 32 percent of Latinos are supporting Donald J. Trump? That's a misnomer. It's completely incorrect.
I think Paul Ryan needs to meet Donald Trump and have a come to Jesus moment. And say, dear Donald Trump, the future of the Republican Party and the conservative movement lies in the hands of the Hispanic- American electorate. The very electorate you are alienating every single day more and more. For the love of Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp, please stop immediately. That conversation needs to take place sooner than later.
BURNETT: But, Reverend Rodriguez, when you look at how Donald Trump is doing among Hispanics, among blacks, he's polling at 4 percent. OK? Among Hispanics, a recent poll, 18 percent. That's a Quinnipiac poll. A FOX News poll, 23 percent. Mitt Romney did, what, 27, 28 percent --
RODRIGUEZ: Twenty-seven.
BURNETT: George W. Bush, the last one to win the White House, 44. Significantly better. But Donald Trump, with everything he said about Hispanic, isn't that much worse than Mitt Romney. That's a pretty incredible statement, isn't it?
RODRIGUEZ: Yeah, it does. But it speaks likewise to the great amount of angst and consternation Latinos have regarding the policies coming from the other side. So there are issues. There are great issues.
Latinos are a fluid community. We are not monolithic. Latinos have faith values, and that resonate with part of the Republican platform. But just its values that resonate with part of the Democratic platform. So, we're basically the convergence of Billy Graham and Martin Luther King Jr. in a blender and that's who we are. So we have both those optics.
So it's a fluid community, indeed. One that could be -- it's winnable for either party. Those that move more towards a center sort of world view.
BURNETT: Jason, here's the thing. Donald Trump has to get a lot of money to win? Okay? It takes a couple billion dollars, doesn't have money that's liquid, he said. Hillary Clinton is way ahead of him.
I've spoken to some of these mega donors. They hear the comments about the Mexican judge and they just don't know what to do. They're shocked and their appalled and they're thinking, wait a minute, how can I cut a check for this guy. But he's got to have those people cut him checks. Are you worried
about that? Are you worried that comments like these are going to turn off the big money people? Not just Paul Ryan for the big money.
OSBORNE: No, I think Donald Trump is not your traditional candidate. So every time we hear that he doesn't fit the mold at a traditional candidate, he needs to do this or he needs to do that, he hasn't been doing that now for 12 months. So why would we expect him to change his tune?
I think what we're going to hear over the next several months is his plan for America. And what he is going to do to get jobs back here, what he's going to do to make America stronger, and what he's going to do that's different from Hillary Clinton.
And one point you made earlier, which I find kind of ironic. When you said that Donald Trump is transparent, he has no filter. I think that's great, because on the other side, Hillary has people taking the Fifth. We don't know what's going on with these speeches she made to Wall Street. I mean, that's over and over and over.
BURNETT: All right. We've got to leave it there.
NUTTER: About his personal comments about people. That's what we're talking about. He has no ability to contain himself or be a leader.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you all.
And OUTFRONT next, Donald Trump owns 17 golf courses around the world, making up a lot of his net worth. Wait until you hear how much he's paying in taxes on them. Our special report.
And breaking news. We're awaiting a press conference, the latest on four soldiers who at this hour are missing in Ft. Hood, Texas. A development tonight. We'll be right back.
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[19:48:01] BURNETT: Breaking news out of Texas at this hour. This is a live press conference at Ft. Hood. We are awaiting officials to give us an update here on four soldiers missing after their truck was swept away during severe flooding.
They are the focus of a frantic search at this hour. The death toll has risen. Five soldiers now confirmed dead.
Nick Valencia has our report.
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NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A desperate search by air, land and water, under way in the floodwaters around Ft. Hood in central Texas. Four soldiers still missing, more than 24 hours after their vehicle with 12 men on board overturned and was swept away by floodwaters. CHRIS HAUG, FT. HOOD SPOKESMAN: The water was rising quickly, and we
were in the process of at the moment of the event of closing the roads.
VALENCIA: Five soldiers died. Three were rescued by soldiers who happened to be nearby. Officials called it a routine training exercise.
HAUG: They regularly pass through these kind of weather conditions like this.
VALENCIA: Teams from Ft. Hood aided by state and local emergency crews are searching for miles around the fort. Days of record rainfall have swamped much of Texas. The slow-moving storm dumping more than 8 inches of rain in the last two days on Houston alone.
Six people were killed in the past week, due to the severe weather. Thousands have been evacuated. Hundreds in low-lying areas have been rescued.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They had said when they rescue, we've got to get out now. And that it was coming up like an inch a minute.
VALENCIA: The governor declaring a state of disaster, and 31 counties. This is the second year in a row that Texas has been hit by what meteorologists call a 500-year flood.
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VALENCIA: You see the gaggle of cameras behind me. We are standing by for a press conference from Fort Hood officials where they say we will be given a significant development. Four soldiers remain missing at this hour. Earlier, a spokesman for Fort Hood said the soldiers train in severe weather conditions. He called this an unfortunate accident -- Erin.
[19:50:02] TRUMP: All right, Nick. Thank you very much.
And new tonight, Donald Trump touting his upcoming trip to the U.K. to reopen one of his luxury golf courses, tweeting, "So much interest in my visit to Scotland." It's one of 17 clubs that Trump has across the globe. These courses makeup a lot of Donald Trump's net worth, and as everyone knows, no one really knows what his net worth is.
And when it comes to paying taxes on those courses, well, there's an interest trail there. Kyung Lah is OUTFRONT with tonight's big number.
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KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump and the release of his tax return, a repeated question on the campaign trail.
REPORTER: You do pay some federal taxes?
TRUMP: I do. Yes, I do.
LAH: He won't say how much he pays, says he has income of nearly 600 million, worth more than $10 billion. Much of his worth is coming from golf courses, according to his campaign filings.
Trump owns 17 golf courses around the world, including a luxury golf resort in Rancho Palos Verde, south of Los Angeles. Trump says in financial disclosures that it's worth more than $50 million. Public tax documents obtained by CNN show in 2007, the course was worth $67 million.
But year after year, Trump filed hundreds of appeals to drop the value of the golf course by tens of millions of dollars. All of those appeals dropped the value to $27.7 million, down $40 million in nine years.
Why? Lower the value, lower the tax bill for Trump. Paying fewer taxes, a fact that Trump isn't ashamed to tout.
TRUMP: I fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible.
LAH: What Trump is doing is par for the course, the golf course business, says Larry Hirsch (ph) who analyzes property values.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure, he's an example of a guy that's very proud of his wealth, likes to display it in many different ways. But like any business man he wants to pay as little in taxes as possible.
LAH: Hirsch won't comment about any specific Trump property but says for him the red flag is when the gap is too wide.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't have your cake and eat it too and say on a financial statement or for a loan that something is worth $50 million and then say it is worth a million and a half.
LAH: But that's exactly what Trump is doing in New York at his Westchester golf course. To the FEC, Trump claims the course is worth more than $50 million. The town tax assessor currently values it at $15.1 million. Trump's attorney file tax paperwork claiming it is worth only $1.4 million, saving him hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes.
Minimizing taxes, that's the same story at his Colts Neck Golf Club in New Jersey. Trump says in campaign filings it is worth more than $50 million. The town values it at $32 million. Trump sets aside dozens of acres of haymaking at the golf course, qualifying this luxury resort for a farm land tax break, lowering his taxes by thousands of dollars.
Hillary Clinton making her own hay of Trump's worth saying he should be transparent about his wealth, properties and income.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That's why he should release his tax returns, prove that he actually has a level of success he claims to have.
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LAH: The Trump campaign did not respond to repeated requests to comment on golf course taxes. Regarding the personal tax release, those returns, well, the campaign said something he said over and over again, that he is going through an audit and when the audit is done, he will release the tax returns -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right, Kyung. Thank you very much. Kyung Lah in L.A. tonight.
And OUTFROINT next, this hotel suite could set you back a cold $40,000 for one night or you could stay for free. Which way would you rather go? Well, we'll tell you how.
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[19:57:06] BURNETT: "INSIDE MAN" is back for another season on CNN. In the premiere episode, Morgan Spurlock tries to find out how easy or hard it is to be a professional gambler. Among perks for those at the top of their game, stunning VIP suites.
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MORGAN SPURLOCK, INSIDE MAN: If you're a true high roller, you might get to stay in a luxury suite like this one without paying a dime.
Because if you're spending big money on gambling, most casinos want you to spend that cash on their turf.
There's a pool on the balcony. One of the best views of Las Vegas.
I can see how this could entice someone to stay awhile. And the longer they stay, the more they'll spend down on the casino floor, which means one thing for the casinos -- more gambling profits.
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BURNETT: That's sick.
Morgan Spurlock is OUTFRONT.
OK, how much money to gamble to get a suite like that.
SPURLOCK: Thousands, tens of thousands. You have to come in with a really big bankroll.
BURNETT: So you're basically paying for the suite because --
SPURLOCK: That suite, when they first opened that casino, that rented for $40,000 a night when they first opened the casino.
BURNETT: Forty thousand dollars a night.
SPURLOCK: Yes. BURNETT: And there were people who were actually paying $40,000 a night.
SPURLOCK: Correct. Insane.
BURNETT: Wow.
OK. So, obviously, most of us do not gamble in amounts enough to get a $40,000 suite for free.
SPURLOCK: Ever.
BURNETT: What is the typical pro gambler like, how many people are spending that kind of money gambling?
SPURLOCK: Well, you'd be surprised, a large number of people make a living as professional gamblers. And they're spending thousands of dollars. Now, they may not spend high roller number, but they are spending thousands and making a living as gamblers, playing cards, black jack, craps, you name it.
BURNETT: Where are these people from? Are they Americans, are they Chinese? Obviously, Macau is now a huge gambling place as well.
SPURLOCK: No, they're from all over the world. There are people that made this their life work to be professional gamblers, and there are lists of people that casinos have of people that figured ways to beat the system, you get put on a list, slowly but surely they kind of whittle you out of --
BURNETT: They know when to hold, when to fold.
SPURLOCK: That's right. They want to keep you out the door.
BURNETT: Right, right. But the point is, if these people, if they're do it for a living, they're presumably beating the house more often than they're losing.
SPURLOCK: And they develop techniques that aren't illegal.
BURNETT: Not counting cards.
SPURLOCK: Well, if you can count cards, a lot of guys, there are card counting methods, understanding when to bet against whether you have more aces on the deck or more face cards in the deck, and being able to keep that number is what makes you a professional.
BURNETT: All right. Morgan, thank you very much. I can't wait to see this.
SPURLOCK: Thank you.
BURNETT: The season premier of "MORGAN SPURLOCK: INSIDE MAN" tonight at 10:00.
And thank you for joining us. Don't forget. You can watch OUTFRONT anytime anywhere on CNN Go, and you can see my full interview with the billionaire Mohamed Alabbar building the tallest tower in the world on my CNN International this weekend, on Sunday.
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