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New Post-Debate Poll: Clinton Tops Trump By Three Points; Clinton: Trump's Meltdown is Unhinged Even For Him; Trump's Boys Club: Their History With Women; Interview with Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn; New Trump Deposition Video Released; CIA Director: U.S. Enemies Looking to Test New President. Aired 7-8p ET
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[19:00:11] KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT next, the breaking news.
A new national poll out just moments ago. Did the debate hurt Donald Trump and are his attacks on a former Miss Universe taking a toll?
And Bill Clinton opens up about his marriage as Trump threatens to bring up his cheating past. Is it a coincidence?
And the videotape that Trump campaign did not want you to see. Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening everyone, I'm Kate Bolduan in for Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, we do some breaking news. Too close to call. A major new national poll out just moments ago conducted completely after Monday's historic debate. That poll showing Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump by just three points. She's up just two points from FOX's last poll and I took it couple of weeks ago. That same poll gives Clinton an overwhelming win though after Monday night's big debate.
Among likely voters who watched the debate, Clinton beat Trump by 38 points. Sixty to 22. It comes at the end of -- I think we can all agree, it's probably after a bad week for Donald Trump. A week that began with him complaining that his debate microphone wasn't working. A complaint that the commission in part confirmed late today. This is from the commission, part of it. Quote, "There were issues regarding Donald Trump's audio that affected the sound level in the debate hall." Donald Trump tonight suggesting it was deliberate.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: They just announced. It just came out a little while ago that the microphone in the auditorium, the big room was defective. And it was not -- it was difficult. And you know what, when you have a situation like that and you know it is bad. And you think you have a hundred million people watching, what do you do? Stop the show? Please fix it? It was bad. I wonder why it was bad!
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BOLDUAN: Point of order. You could still hear him in the hall. And you could definitely all still hear him at home but still the mic did had problems. In the wee hours though of this morning, Trump went on a twitter tirade attacking former Miss Universe Alicia Machado. Here is the dramatic reading of the tweet. "Did Crooked Hillary help disgusting (check out sex tape and past) Alicia M become a U.S. citizen so she could use her in the debate?"
Jason Carroll is OUTFRONT tonight with much more on this. Jason, let's talk about this poll. What else does the poll tell us about the debate's impact?
JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, look, there is a lot that she won here. And clearly there are some good news for both of these candidates, poll shows that Hillary Clinton increased her lead with women and that Trump is still struggling with that voting bloc. The poll shows that Clinton is at 53 percent versus Trump's 33 percent. In mid-September it was much closer. Clinton at 49 percent versus Trump at 36 percent. The numbers show Clinton doing well not just with women but with non-Whites and voters under the age of 45.
But as I said, there is also encouraging news for Trump in the poll as well. The poll shows he's doing well with white men and Independents. Among Independents Trump is at 41 percent versus Clinton at just 29 percent. The poll also shows Trump's honesty rating is down. Most of those polls still say he does not have the right temperament and over half of those say that they would not be comfortable with him as president. Well now, more voters see Clinton as more honest that Trump and that she does have the right temperament -- Kate.
BOLDUAN: A little bit for everybody on that one. Thank you so much, Jason. Great to see you. A lot to talk about. So even with this impact on the poll numbers, Trump's battle with the former Miss Universe is a fight that he is not giving up it appears.
Jim Acosta is OUTFRONT.
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JIM ACOSTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When it comes to his battle with former Miss Universe Alicia Machado, Donald Trump is no Mr. Congeniality. In response to Machado's claim, Trump called her miss piggy for gaining weight. The GOP nominee lashed out at the pageant winner in a series of bombastic tweets in the middle of the night. "Did Crooked Hillary help disgusting (check out sex tape and past) Alicia M become a U.S. citizen so she could use her in the debate?" And this, "Using Alicia M in the debate as a paragon of virtue just shows that Crooked Hillary suffers from BAD JUDGEMENT! Hillary was set up by a con." Trump campaign which offers no prove, Machado never ever appeared in a sex tape says it is just firing back.
JACK KINGSTON, SENIOR ADVISER, DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGN: I don't know Miss Machado but I've seen many interviews with her. She's not a very credible witness you might say.
ACOSTA: Hillary Clinton jumped into the fray with a tweet storm of her own. "What kind of man stays up all night to smear a woman with lies and conspiracy theories?" HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: His latest Twitter
meltdown is unhinged, even for him. It proves yet again that he is temperamentally unfit to be president and commander-in-chief.
ACOSTA: Machado insists her past is not relevant. Admitting to CNN --
ALICIA MACHADO, FORMER MISS UNIVERSE: Everybody has a past. And I'm not a saint girl. But that is not the point now.
[19:05:19] ACOSTA: In a statement she says Trump's latest attacks are cheap lies with bad intentions adding Trump "insists on demoralizing women, minorities and people of certain religions through his hateful campaign. This is one of his most frightful characteristics."
Trump is also ripping into the Clintons with not so settle references to their past marital problems.
TRUMP: The Clintons are the sordid past, we will be the very bright and clean future.
ACOSTA: Raising questions of hypocrisy for Trump who's on his third marriage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are not worried about your past history at all?
TRUMP: No, not at all. And I have a very good history.
ACOSTA: Trump is also attacking the media. Blasting reports that he was furious at aids for spilling the beans on debate preparations. Tweeting, "Remember, don't believe sources said by the very dishonest media. If they don't name the sources, the sources don't exist." But Trump claimed -- anonymous sources too tweeting back in 2012, an extremely credible sources called my office and told me that Barack Obama's birth certificate is a fraud.
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ACOSTA: Now, as for that battle with Alicia Machado the Trump campaign is pointing to a former Miss Wisconsin who says, Trump comforted her when she was in the hospital battling an illness more than a decade ago. But clearly Kate, the Trump campaign wants to move on. As one advisor puts it to me, that would be an understatement and perhaps Donald Trump is starting to listen to that advice. He did not mention the controversy at this rally here in Michigan -- Kate.
BOLDUAN: But wait for 3:00 a.m. I know I will be.
ACOSTA: Yes.
BOLDUAN: Thank you so much, Jim. Great to see you.
OUTFRONT tonight, David Gergen, he served as a presidential advisor for four presidents including Reagan and Clinton. I always like to throw in Lincoln. Dana Bash is our chief political correspondent -- it never gets old, David.
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: That's not nice.
BOLDUAN: It never gets old. It is like my term of endearment for David Gergen.
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Philip Bump is a political reporter for The Washington Post. And Maggie Haberman is here as well. She is presidential campaign correspondent for the New York Times. Great to see all of you.
Philip Bump, we have this FOX News poll out and a lot has been made of polls this week. A lot of them being bogus polls that a lot of people have been talking about. But now we have a national poll of likely voters all taking place after the debate. What we see is 60 percent of likely voters, they think Clinton won. But she's up slightly three points. What does that tell you?
PHILIP BUMP, POLITICAL REPORTER, THE WASHINGTON POST: Well, a lot of things actually. One thing is obviously one poll we try and remind people look at the trend, look at what's happening when you start averaging a lot of polls together. This is the first poll so we all get very excited about it understandably. I think it's worth nothing in that poll. Yes, she is up two points over the last FOX News poll but when it is just her versus Donald Trump, she has to gain six points.
The reason that is important is, that if people soften on the support for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein, it sounds like she'll gain some of that support. Gary Johnson of course has had a very bad week. So, I think that there is a lot in this poll which suggests the trend is moving Clinton's direction. State polls today that she was up four points and won seven points. All of those are indicators that she's getting the sort of debate bump that we would expect given her performance.
BOLDUAN: Maggie, when you look at this, if the layman's looking at this, does this tell you debates don't matter? I mean, the campaigns take a look at this national poll, yes. One poll does not a trend make but what do they take from it?
MAGGIE HABERMAN, PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN CORRESPONDENT, NEW YORK TIMES: What they're taking from it is a pretty stable race frankly. For all the talk about, it's going up and going down. To Philip's point, you have to look at the trend.
BOLDUAN: Yes.
HABERMAN: The fundamentals of this race really haven't changed very much. And they slightly favor Clinton. If you did not have these two minor party candidates in the race, it probably would favor her more. But again, that's an assumption we're making. Debates do matter. But again, we have had a series of these incidents with Donald Trump where he has underperformed or, you know, appeared (INAUDIBLE), the attack on this soldier's mother right after the conventions for example. And then the dust sort of settles and the race goes back to where it was. So I think the question is, what is going to sustain and endure over the next five weeks? I'm not clear this is it. However there is another debate in the next, you know, nine days.
BOLDUAN: Nine days? Yes. I think we all know or so. But don't worry, we're not just counting for that.
Dana, one thing did happen in the debate. You were in the debate hall, this mic issue is maybe becoming an issue. I mean, you have got Donald Trump now out there just in his last rally suggesting that it is deliberate. Patrick Healey, someone we know well of the "New York Times," he in a phone call, he tweeted out that he had a brief phone call with Donald Trump and in the phone call Donald Trump says, I want to do the next debate but everyone is talking about the mic. I don't believe -- I don't think that anybody has believed for a second that he's not showing up. We'll wait and see. But is it really the mic that was Donald Trump's problem on Monday?
BASH: No. Of course not. But, you know, there are lots of things for, or a lot of sort of avenues for Donald Trump to go to kind of lay blame. And the mic, given the fact that the debate commission has now said that there was some issue. It is a perfect fall guy, an inanimate fall guy for Donald Trump. I was in the debate hall. To be fair, I had one of these in and I have piece so was listening to it in two places. But I didn't -- I was turned around look at the audience. I didn't get a sense that people were straining to hear him at all. And to your point earlier, it is the audience that the debate commission says might have had some trouble hearing in the room which is a few hundred people. Not 80 million people watching at home.
BOLDUAN: And David, I mean, Dana is getting to it, I mean, Trump has complained that the election is rigged when he's not winning. He actually even complained that it might be rigged even tonight in his rally. The polls are rigged if he's not upping them. And now he's said the debate is rigged because the mic didn't work and he didn't do well. This is not helping kind of make those conspiracy theories go away. This is just going to fuel this for Donald Trump.
DAVID GERGEN, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL ADVISER: Oh, yes, I do. This race remains very competitive. Donald Trump can still win this election. But I do think that this poll suggests very heavily that the momentum of the race has been reversed. He was on the upswing. He was charging against her. You know, he was right very close behind her and clearly he was on the offensive. Now she's been on the offensive all week. She seized control basically of the momentum of the campaign.
And so, that's working in her favor. And as Philip points out, there are a number of state polls today which seem so confirm that. Very importantly, this poll also says once and for all that by a decisive margin. Voters who were able to hear. Whatever the defects in the microphone. Over 84 million heard and the people who answered the poll said decisively that she won the debate. And I think my history is right on this. We've had a couple incumbents who have lost the first debate and come back. Ronald Reagan lost his first debate to Walter Mondale and famously came back in the second. BOLDUAN: President Obama --
GERGEN: Barack Obama had an awful night on his first debate and he came back on the second one. I can't remember a challenger who has lost the first debate and then come back to victory and won the presidency. I've gone through it in my mind. I can't remember anybody who has ever done that.
BOLDUAN: Well, maybe he won't show up because maybe he won't believe that the mic is actually going work the next time. We'll see. Guys, we have a lot more to discuss tonight. I'm saying this in jest everyone. It is Friday night.
Coming up for us. Hillary Clinton is campaigning in Florida today as her husband opens up about their sometimes rocky 40 year marriage. Why?
Plus, Trump's boys club. The Republican nominee is surrounded by men who have their own troubled histories when it comes to women. Does it matter?
And President Obama on Air Force One this morning.
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PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: Let's go! Let's go!
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BOLDUAN: Who? Who is he yelling at? We'll have to wait and see.
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[19:17:01] BOLDUAN: Tonight, Hillary Clinton hammering Donald Trump for his attacks on former Miss Universe Alicia Machado. Listen.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Who gets up at 3:00 in the morning to engage in a Twitter attack against a former Miss Universe? I mean, he hurled as many insults as he could. Really. Why does he do things like that?
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BOLDUAN: The blistering attack just hours after Clinton spoke by phone with Machado and praised her for her courage to stand up to Trump.
Brianna Keilar is OUTFRONT with me now. So, Brianna, it seems the Clinton campaign is more than happy to keep adding fuel to this fire.
BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Thrilled, ecstatic. Certainly more than happy to keep adding fuel to this. You know, when Hillary Clinton is not talking about her vulnerabilities and instead Donald Trump is talking about trying to defend himself, about how he treated a Miss Universe back in the '90s. It's really a good day for the Clinton campaign. One senior campaign aide saying to me, Donald Trump just can't help but going down the rabbit hole. So they are really capitalizing on that.
In the most recent way, we saw Elizabeth Warren, Massachusetts senator obviously very big with the left side of the Democratic Party adding some more fuel to the fire. She tweeted back at Donald Trump about, I think four tweets really trolling him on Twitter. Take a look, she said, "Is this what keeps you up at night Donald Trump, thinking of new and interesting ways to call women, fat or ugly or sluts?" And she also said, "a thin-skinned bully who thinks humiliating women at 3:00 a.m. qualifies him to be president does not understand American and does not fit to lead."
They had gone back and forth as you know in the past on Twitter, Kate, but this is something Elizabeth Warren tweeting to Donald Trump about this, that just guarantees that this story is going to keep on going. And keep in mind, she will be in Nevada next week campaigning for Hillary Clinton. I am assuming that she will be taking shots at him there as she has before. And this is just a story the campaign welcomes because they really think it resonates with women and with Hispanic voters who are key in states like Nevada.
BOLDUAN: That's absolutely right. I think they probably know that. Thank you Brianna. Exactly, there is something behind that.
OUTFRONT with me now. Hillary Clinton supporter Basil Smikle. Donald Trump supporter Kayleigh McEnany. Philip Bump and Maggie Haberman have not left me yet. Kayleigh, you woke up this morning. You turn on your phone, you look at your Twitter account and see Donald Trump tweet this and you think what.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Well, I think this is arguments surrogates should be making. Kellyanne Conway should be making, Donald Trump should not be making.
BOLDUAN: What's the difference?
MCENANY: Look, he was attacked and I think it is the job of surrogates to go out there and play defense and his job to prosecute a case against Hillary Clinton. And just to correct the record, Elizabeth Warren, he never, these are facts. He never called her fat. Never called her ugly. Never called her the S word. These are lies. In fact, watch the full context of the video we play 15 seconds when you watch the full two minutes, he actually says, she is beautiful, he says, you are beautiful now, I eat a lot too, I want to work out with you. America, we need to be physically fit. The full context of the video takes a much different story than what's been told.
BOLDUAN: But he also hasn't denied her original allegations that he called her miss piggy and miss housekeeping which I actually think the words that are alleged are actually way more important than talk of any weight gain.
(CROSSTALK) I haven't heard it from Donald Trump. Basil, not only did Hillary Clinton bring up Alicia Machado in the debate. She is now spoken to her on the phone. She spoke to her today. The campaign gave a read out. I mean, clearly we know that they want to talk about this more. At some point though, does the campaign threat on the take this too far?
BASIL SMIKLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NEW YORK STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY: Well, not so far because the fact of the matter is that Donald Trump had dug his heels in deeper because as Kayleigh said, it is him on the phone tweeting this as 5:00 in the morning. This isn't staff. This is him. And every time he does that. Every time he does things like that, he walks into exactly the kind of narrative that Hillary is painting of him. Having said that, I do think, you know, there are policies that Hillary Clinton's been talking about throughout this campaign.
She's talked about national service. I want those things to be amplified and magnified clearly because I care about the policy and I think most Americans do. But even if they are not because we're not in this sort of conversation about Donald Trump tweeting, what she is doing is sort of amassing ammunition on policy issues that she can talk about and delineate during the course of a debate, for example. Whereas with Donald Trump, all we're going to be talking about is these tweets and this language.
BOLDUAN: It is interesting kind of how this has played out. If you kind of compare it to over the summer, Maggie. Over the summer, the Clinton campaign as we saw they were happy they're going to sit back when he was having a problem in watch him implode. He didn't implode. That didn't helped him. He came back. I mean, look at the polls where they are today. When you see how Hillary Clinton herself has kind of been reacting to this on Twitter, on stage, does that show you that they have learned like, this is how they have to react. They have to punch, keep punching, keep punching even if it is on an issue. Is it policy?
HABERMAN: I think they realize that they're going to have to make her case more effectively which I think is what Basil is getting at. And that has not always come through in the campaign. You heard the complaint about that. I think that's part of the reason. The only reason but part of the reason why you have seen some of the drift towards Jill Stein or towards Gary Johnson, there are a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters who still are not warming to Hillary Clinton. She's having trouble energizing a core Democratic base or sections of it.
[19:22:24] But I do think that she went into, the key thing about this debate is that she went into it -- for all the talk we're doing about prep, she went into it with a strategy. Wasn't just that she's prepared. It was that she went in with a goal in mind which was that she was going to get under his skin and get him to chase everything -- and he literally chased every single thing. And so, this is to Brianna's the point about going down the rabbit hole and then he continued chasing it once he was off the debate stage. So, that's what we're seeing with Alicia Machado. One of Donald
Trump's great successes in this campaign, you know, in terms of how he has carried about is he has gotten literally everybody to go along with his view of essentially the way we treat everything on Twitter where everything is exactly the same. So we're now talking about a former Miss Universe as if she should be vetted the exact same way as a presidential candidate and they are not the same.
BOLDUAN: So, let me ask you this. We haven't talked about where the focus might be in the next debate. We've seen that they want to make the focus on Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton's past. Bill Clinton today, he opened up about their marriage in a podcast for the Clinton campaign. Here is a little of what he said.
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BILL CLINTON (D), 42ND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think that she has literally spent a lifetime dealing with not only her joys and her blessings, but also heartbreaks and disappointment. Sometimes unfair treatment. Look at our blessings. We've been together for 40 years plus through thick and thin.
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BOLDUAN: When talks about disappointments, sometimes unfair treatment. I mean, is Bill Clinton kind of trying to hint that the elephant in the room that they know is going to come at them? And is this a strategy to lay the groundwork to kind of lessen the blow when it comes at them in the debate?
BUMP: Well, I'm fully confident that the Clinton campaign has put a lot of thought into what they're going to have Bill Clinton is going to say in this podcast.
BOLDUAN: Yes.
BUMP: I mean, Bill Clinton tend to go sideways sometimes but, you know, this entire week, everything from the moment she started talking about Machado during the debate setting which Donald Trump happily walked into, all of it has been about college-educated women and trying to make sure that she continues to have college educated particularly white women be concerned about Donald Trump, be concerned about Donald Trump's leadership. I think that they understand that Donald Trump is trying to focus on the Clinton's past infidelities which I don't know why.
I mean, there is no indication that this is a smart political move for them. But yes, it is very possible that Bill Clinton is getting out in front of that simply by reminding people, this is a woman who's been fighting her entire life, et cetera, et cetera, which is the narrative thy think resonates that.
BOLDUAN: Have some fun with me guys, please. This is one of those things that it sounds like joke in a cocktail party, who is the one person that can make a president weight? It seems that we have an answer. Watch. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: Bill, let's go! Bill. Let's go. I got to get home!
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BOLDUAN: Bill Clinton. Come on, Bill. Let's go. Does this surprise anyone in this table?
HABERMAN: The answer is, there's only one other president can make a president -- of course is that president because there are these constant stories about Bill Clinton lingering forever and also sort of, turning whatever show Barack Obama is doing into his own. He is like, why do we have to leave? Aren't we in -- anyway, just too good.
Great guys. Great to see you. Thank you so much. OUTFRONT next, the man in Trump's inner circle. Do they help or hurt him?
And the video of Donald Trump that his campaign fought to keep private. We'll show it to you.
Tonight, the Trump campaign tries to use Bill Clinton's sex scandals to turn voters against Hillary Clinton. Let's go OUTFRONT.
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[19:29:46] BOLDUAN: Tonight, the Trump campaign trying to use Bill Clinton's sex scandal to turn women against Hillary Clinton. But it's a questionable strategy given Trump's own history with women as well as the men he is surrounding himself with during this campaign.
Kyung Lah is OUTFRONT.
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[19:30:02] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I do cherish women. I love women.
KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Despite what Trump says, his furious pre-dawn tweets this morning suggests a different sentiment, in one calling Alicia Machado, quote, "disgusting."
His war with the former Miss Universe escalating at a time when campaigns usually want to appeal to women. It's not only Trump, the men who surround Trump, his closest advisors have had their own personal problems with women.
STEVE BANNON, TRUMP CAMPAIGN CEO: We need to have a fight in the Republican Party for the soul of the conservative --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I agree with you.
LAH: Campaign CEO Steve Bannon. In 1996, he faced misdemeanor domestic violence charges. His ex-wife and the Santa Monica, California, police report alleging he grabbed her. An incident the officer says left red marks on her left wrist and right side of the neck. Those charges were dropped.
Bannon would become a right wing media mogul. In a 2011 radio interview, using a derogatory gay slur to describe progressive women.
BANNON: They wouldn't be a bunch of (EXPLETIVE DELETED) that came from Seven Sisters schools up in New England.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a FOX News alert --
LAH: The man behind FOX News Roger Ailes is now an unofficial Trump campaign whisperer, although Trump won't officially acknowledged his role. FOX News ousted Ailes after multiple women accused him of sexual harassment -- prominently anchor Gretchen Carlson, who received a $20 million settlement from FOX.
NEWT GINGRICH (R), FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER: You're not supposed to gain 60 pounds within a year if you're Miss Universe.
LAH: That's former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich speaking this week, depending Trump's comments about Alicia Machado. Gingrich is now a Trump adviser. He and Trump have both been married three times. Both accused of infidelity. And in 2012, Gingrich's second wife recalled this about her former husband to ABC News.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was asking to have an open marriage and I refused.
LAH: Then, there's Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor and Trump backer. After Monday's debate, Giuliani spoke to reporters bringing up Bill Clinton's affair, criticizing not just him but Hillary Clinton.
RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NYC MAYOR: She attacked Monica Lewinsky. And after being married to Bill Clinton for 20 years, you didn't know the moment Monica Lewinsky said, that Bill Clinton violated her, that she was telling the truth, then you're too stupid to be president.
LAH: But Giuliani should be able to relate married three times, he announced a separation to his second wife at a press conference before telling her his divorce and affair playing out publicly on New York tabloid front pages.
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LAH: Now, not all of Trump's closest advisors are men. His campaign manager is a woman, Kellyanne Conway, and a person who has this ear arguably perhaps the most is also a woman, his own daughter -- Kate.
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: That's right, Kyung. It's great to see you. Thank you so much.
OUTFRONT with me now, Republican representative from Tennessee, Marsha Blackburn. She is a Donald Trump supporter.
Congresswoman, thank you so much for joining me. Really appreciate it. So, you have Steve Bannon. I mean, Kyung laid it out. Steve Bannon,
Roger Ailes, Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump himself, with the stories that they have, are these the right guys to help Trump prosecute this case when they have similar histories against the guy they want to attack?
REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN (R), TENNESSEE, ENDORSED DONALD TRUMP: Well, I have to tell you. I think the thing to do right now is to talk about the issues. And you have all of this, the he said/she said on the Clinton side. The he said/she said on the Trump side.
And I think what the American people want to hear and what I've heard from many so many of my constituents today is they want to hear about, why are we giving up control of the internet? What is happening with the deal with Iran with the new revelations? What is going on today in Aleppo? What happened with the Clinton Foundation and the reports that are coming out about that? Are we going to get those 33,000 e- mails?
The House had do an additional hearing yesterday on the issue or day before yesterday with James Comey. And this --
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BOLDUAN: These are issues in the campaign, but it is interesting. What I'm hearing from you is exactly the talking point memo that the campaign has put out to surrogates, but it is also interesting that Donald Trump is not following the campaign's talking points. He's the one that woke up this morning and decided to attack this Miss Universe, this former Miss Universe again. Why isn't Donald Trump following your lead?
BLACKBURN: Well, I -- first of all have not received a talking points memo from the campaign, just so that you know that. Secondly, one he is not, I do not know. I would be focusing on the issues.
I think that's what people want to hear. They do not want the back and forth, quite frankly. They don't care and I think the more he talks about Bill and Hillary's relationship, the more you make Hillary a victim.
And I would say move away from it and let's talk about the have issues.
[19:35:03] We are getting ready to lose control of the Internet. ICANN is going to the multi-stakeholders process and it is going to happen at the stroke of midnight tonight. That is what my constituents in Tennessee are talking about most today.
BOLDUAN: In the latest poll that just came out, Congresswoman, you have Hillary Clinton beating Donald Trump 20 points with female voters and that's been a lot of the conversation has been obviously in the last week, 20 points. How do you make up ground there?
BLACKBURN: What you have do is focus on the two issues women are talking about most. First is national security, very concerned about terrorism, very concerned about ending illegal entry of drugs, heroin, opioids across the southern border. That is an enormous issue.
And you look at states like New Hampshire, Kate, that's one of the top issues --
BOLDUAN: But she's leading in New Hampshire right now in the latest poll that --
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BLACKBURN: Right. And two weeks ago, it was a one point race.
So, you go back to focusing on those issues. You talk about jobs in the economy. Wage stagnation has been very hurtful to women over the past five or six years. And when I'm doing town halls and listening sessions or maybe meeting with a group of business women, I hear about this all the time.
When I am visiting a factory, or an employer or a large employer and meeting with women, they talk about wage stagnation and their frustration there. They talk about Obamacare and the impact of cost of insurance and also the cost of care, and how that effects their disposable income.
BOLDUAN: Congresswoman --
BLACKBURN: I like the fact that child care, there should be more emphasis on that Donald Trump rolled out a great plan. Looking at having a tax credit that women can select and elect to use. And actually write off some of that --
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BOLDUAN: Donald Trump talked about that child care tax credit tonight. One other thing tonight he again started returning to this conversation of being concerned that the election was going to be rigged. Not only talking about -- not talking about the mic here. We're talking about the election. He says it would be a bad way to go down and really do a wink, wink, nod, nod to the crowd he was before.
Do you think the election is going to be rigged?
BLACKBURN: My hope would be that there would not. And I know there are there were some counties last time around, Florida had a couple of counties, Ohio had some counties, where you had more than the registered number of voters actually voting.
And that is a state issue. And our state and local commissions are tasked with cleaning up those roles. There were reports today that there was one county -- and I'm not remembering where it was, Kate. But they had a lot of people that were being registered. Forms that were coming this on voter registration and people were deceased, and that's the type of thing that ought not to be happening.
BOLDUAN: I'll have to look at this one. But I do find it interesting that Donald Trump only brings up the question of a rigged system when he's done in the polls and when he's lost a debate. BLACKBURN: I think the thing to do is focus on the issues. People
want specifics, especially women. They are wanting to hear specifics.
How are you going to deal with terrorism? How are you going to deal with jobs growth? How are you going to deal with making certain that our military families like my constituents at Fort Campbell have everything they need do the job at hand? How are we --
BOLDUAN: We'll see.
BLACKBURN: Yes.
BOLDUAN: We'll see if Donald Trump takes your advice. That is not where he's allowed his focus to be the last few days.
BLACKWELL: I'll tell you, I am -- I am more worried about what Hillary Clinton will do or has done than I am about what Donald Trump says.
BOLDUAN: All right. I think you should also be worried about what Donald Trump says because that also leads to what he would do if he is president.
Congresswoman, thank you so much for coming on. Appreciate it.
BLACKBURN: Thanks.
BOLDUAN: OUTFRONT next, the video of Donald Trump the campaign didn't want you to see. What's so damaging it?
And a stern warning from CIA Director John Brennan, America's enemies plotting to take advantage of the U.S. election. We have special report, ahead.
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[19:43:12] BOLDUAN: Donald Trump on tape under oath. A deposition the campaign does not want you to see. The recording is a part of a lawsuit between Trump and a restaurant owner, restaurateur who backed out of a deal after he called some Mexican immigrants rapists. Trump is struggling to attract Hispanic voters.
The latest poll shows Clinton with their support, 65 percent, compared to Trump 17 percent.
Sunlen Serfaty has tonight's big number.
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SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tonight, newly released video of Donald Trump testifying under oath.
TRUMP: Unbelievable.
SERFATY: The normally animated and bombastic GOP nominee taking a more serious and somber team. TRUMP: I believe my lawyer did --
SERFATY: This part of a deposition Trump made in June in his lawsuit against celebrity chef Geoffrey Zakarian. The restaurateur who backed out of opening a restaurant in Trump's new D.C. hotel after Trump said this about illegal Mexican immigrants at his presidential announcement.
TRUMP: They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They are rapists and some I assume are good people.
SERFATY: Trump said the controversial comments in his speech were planned.
INTERVIEWER: Did you write the statement in advance? Was it written?
TRUMP: No.
INTERVIEWER: And did you plan in advance what you were going to say?
TRUMP: Yes.
INTERVIEWER: Did you talk to other people about it?
TRUMP: No.
SERFATY: But it's that statement that Zakarian says caused him to reconsider his arrangement with Trump and back out of the deal.
Trump admits Zakarian's decision hurt his business.
TRUMP: I get a lot of bad publicity because of the way they handled it. They grandstanded it.
INTERVIEWER: And how has that harmed you?
TRUMP: Just a bad day of press, a bad few days of press. I think it, you know, I don't know how I can quantify it, but I think we were hurt by the way they did it.
[19:45:05] SERFATY: Still, Trump said his campaign success justified what he said.
TRUMP: What's not like -- you know, like I've said anything that could be so bad. Because if I said something that was so bad, they wouldn't have had me go through all of these people and win all of these primary races.
SERFATY: Donald Trump's lawyers did not want this video released. Arguing it could potentially be used politically like popping up in campaign ads saying, quote, "videotapes are subject to abuse". After CNN and other media outlets filed a motion for the judge to release the tapes, the D.C. superior judge sided against team Trump, releasing the new footage despite opposition from the Trump campaign to keep the tapes under lock and key.
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SERFATY: And the transcript has been previously released. So the contents were somewhat known. But it is the video element that really makes this much more striking and certainly why the Trump lawyers fought so hard against the release. They didn't want to splice up potentially used in political ads and certainly with 39 days to go, having it out there will serve as a reminder, Kate, of one of the most controversial moments of his campaign.
BOLDUAN: Absolutely right. Sunlen, great to see you. Thank you so much.
Let me bring back Maggie Haberman for more on this.
As you've been covering this campaign, why do you think they fought so hard to keep this under wraps? What do you think the impact of this video being released could be?
MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I think Trump is very cautious when it comes to issues about his business and I think the default tends to be to resort to legal matters. We have seen that with him over many, many years. This is not a surprise in context. I don't to be candid think the video was absolutely right to fight for its release and try to see it. I don't think it is particularly surprising. I don't think it is even really at odds with what've seen.
I do think it could be carved into an ad and look somewhat difference in the presentation and I think there was probably some concern on the campaign's part. Possibly on Trump's part. I don't think he ever wants a deposition being public. $ I this they what's he's used to from decades of business.
BOLDUAN: Yes, I think it is. Perfectly right, Maggie. Great to see you. Thanks so much.
HABERMAN: Thank you.
BOLDUAN: OUTFRONT next, is North Korea already planning to catch the president off guard? Our special report is coming up.
And Lisa Ling on why women are slugging their way into the brutal word of mixed martial arts.
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[19:51:19] BOLDUAN: Tonight, new video of the civil war that has ravaged Syria. A baby girl pulled from the rubble, bloodied. Her hair caked with dirt. The man who rescued her, inconsolable.
The war in Syria is one of the many challenges the next president of the United States will absolutely have to face.
Tonight, a warning that America's enemies are now plotting to take advantage of the upcoming election.
Barbara Starr is OUTFRONT.
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BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): North Korea's march towards a nuclear weapon that could attack the U.S. is now one of the CIA's top intelligence concerns for the next president of the United States.
JOHN BRENNAN, CIA DIRECTOR: These are things that the new national security team. The new president and his or her advisors are going to have to deal with from day one.
STARR: In his extraordinary interview with Erin Burnett, CIA director John Brennan revealed the spy agency already is identifying a number of immediate threats the next president is likely to confront.
LT. GEN. MARK HERTLING, FORMER ARMY COMMANDING GENERAL: From the very beginning, the North Korean young leader is going to try and do things that will cause turmoil in a new administration.
STARR: North Korea tops the list. The U.S. doesn't know what Kim Jong-un will do. A new president must be prepared for a sudden move from Kim, even within hours of taking office.
BRENNAN: That is something that the new team and the current team is looking at very closely and will need to be able to address.
STARR: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump already have received initial intelligence briefings and have teams preparing for transition.
But the morning after the election the new president elect will start to be told about what is called the crown jewels -- the most sensitive intelligence about America's enemies.
On the list? ISIS. In a few weeks the battle to retake ISIS strongholds in Raqqah, Syria, and Mosul, Iraq, are expected to be under way. ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is still at large and threatening the West.
But away from the battlefield, worries about the Pearl Harbor level cyber attack that could take down the nation's financial networks and then there is Russian leader Vladimir Putin.
Will Putin try to take advantage of a new president?
HERTLING: I don't think Putin will. I know he will.
STARR: President Obama's senior intelligence advisor with a warning about the next few months.
JAMES CLAPPER, DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE: This upcoming transition will happen at a particularly I think difficult time. As we're facing the most complex and diverse array of global threats that I've seen in my 53 years or so in the intel business.
(END VIDEOTAPE) STARR: North Korea remains one of the most critical issues for a new president. The U.S. has little intelligence about the secretive regime and its very unpredictable leader Kim Jong-un -- Kate.
BOLDUAN: Barbara Starr -- great to see you, Barbara. Thank you.
OUTFRONT for us next, it's been called the world's fastest growing sport. Coming up, Lisa Ling on women battling women in mixed martial arts.
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[19:58:06] BOLDUAN: What compels women to get into the brutal world of mix martial arts. In the upcoming episode of "THIS IS LIFE", Lisa Ling goes inside their fight to find out.
Erin spoke with her about it earlier this week.
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ERIN BURNETT, OUTFRONT HOST: Your upcoming episode: female MMA fighters.
LISA LING, THIS IS LIFE: Yes.
BURNETT: Pretty awesome.
LING: Yes.
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LING: How has MMA changed you as a woman?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People get the image that you are aggressive and want to hurt somebody. But in my every day life I don't another being. I don't like seeing people in pain. So, it's not about that. It is about pushing yourself as far as you can go.
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BURNETT: What made you want to explore female fighters in this world?
LING: Well, interestingly enough, I'm someone who kind of a abhors difficulty watching UFC and males doing MMA. So, I was really curious about why women wouldn't want to pursue this kind of sport.
And we spent time with two amateurs, people who believe they could have careers in this. The clip that we just saw was actually a woman in her 40s. She's a preschool teacher. She went into it for different reasons.
She had dealt with some abuse in her life and had always been a shy and timid woman and this has given her the confidence to not only fight but deal with her personal situation much must have better.
BURNETT: So, now at the end of it, do you understand it to the extent that you would watch it? That your view has changed?
LING: Yes, because I'm looking for different things. But what's interesting about female MMA is that is the only sport that I can think of that drives men into bars to watch. If you think about it, men don't really watch a lot of women athletes. But with MMA, they go in droves and are often the main event, women.
BURNETT: Wow. All right. Lisa, thank you.
LING: Thanks, Erin.
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BOLDUAN: Fascinating. "THIS IS LIFE" airs Sunday night at 10:00. Thanks so much for joining us, everybody.
"AC360" starts now.
