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Trump About to Speak Live in Pennsylvania; Woman Targeted By Trump in Video Speaks Out; Trump, Clinton Rally Supporters in Key States; Clinton Leads By 11 Points In First Poll Since Trump Video; Debate Fact Check: Who Told the Truth? Aired 7-8p ET
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[19:00:15] ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: The breaking news, OUTFRONT next, Donald Trump speaking live in this hour, as the Speaker of the House abandons him. A new poll showing the damage from that leaked videotape tonight.
Plus, the woman at the center of that infamous video speaking out tonight. What is her message for Donald Trump? You'd hear it.
And the fly in the red sweater that stole the show in last night's debate. Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening, I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, we begin with the breaking news. Trump lashing out. A defiant Donald Trump about to rally supporters right now this hour in the crucial battleground state of Pennsylvania. You can see very full crowd there. The Republican nominee showing no signs of slowing down his personal attacks on Hillary and Bill Clinton after last night's bitter presidential debate. Trump charging that while his sexually aggressive remark may be bad, the Clinton has done far worse.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: They condemn my words but they ignore and defend the reprehensible -- and this is the way it is -- the reprehensible actions of Hillary and Bill Clinton that have destroyed and hurt so many lives.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: This after the House Speaker Paul Ryan took the extraordinary step, frankly, of telling Republican lawmakers today that he is not going to be defending the nominee for president for the GOP anymore. Telling lawmakers to do whatever is best for themselves in their re-election races. Hillary Clinton, meantime, back on the campaign trail right now trying to keep up the pressure on Trump and keep the focus on the videotape of him making vulgar remarks about women.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Now, I'll tell you what, Donald Trump spent his time attacking when he should have been apologizing. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: And a new poll taken after the videotape came out on Friday, but before last night's debate, so right in that window right now, shows Clinton in a double-digit lead nationally over Trump. Right now, that is 46 to 35 percent. And that's a four-way as you can see. Johnson, Stein included.
Sunlen Serfaty begins our coverage OUTFRONT at the Trump rally in Pennsylvania. And Sunlen, obviously very full crowd where you are. What do you expect from Trump when he takes that stage moments from now?
SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think, Erin, to expect to see a very defiant Donald Trump tonight which is really the tone that he has been taking as he campaigns throughout Pennsylvania today. Donald Trump, of course, is still trying and fighting to keep his campaign off life support, but he continues to dig in further with many Republicans. This is still very much a campaign and a party in crisis mode.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
SERFATY (voice-over): Tonight, Donald Trump scorched-earth strategy is threatening to engulf the Republican Party.
TRUMP: If they want to release more tapes saying inappropriate things, we'll continue to talk about Bill and Hillary Clinton doing inappropriate things. There are so many of them.
SERFATY: House Speaker Paul Ryan today holding a press conference call with Republican lawmakers telling them according to sources on the call that he will no longer defend Trump and will spend the next month focused on preserving the GOP's Congressional majority. Ryan telling members, quote, "You all need to do what's best for you and your district." Trump firing back today tweeting, quote, "Paul Ryan should spend more time on balancing the budget, jobs and illegal immigration and not waste his time on fighting Republican nominee."
The interparty battle comes as a new NBC/"Wall Street Journal" poll done after the release of the 2005 videotape with Trump making sexually aggressive comments about women, but before Sunday's debate, finds Trump trailing Clinton nationally by double digits.
TRUMP: If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse. Minor words and his was action.
SERFATY: Trump's no-holds-barred debate performance was an attempt to stabilize his candidacy. Bringing to the debate women who've accused Bill Clinton of sexual harassment and assault as he tries to move past the videotape controversy.
TRUMP: I apologize to my family, I apologize to the American people. Certainly I am not proud of it, but this is locker room talk.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Have you ever done those things? TRUMP: Women have respect for me. And I will tell you -- no, I have
not.
SERFATY: Trump's contrition was short lived quickly turning his focus to sharply criticizing Clinton.
TRUMP: She has tremendous hate in her heart and when she said "deplorables," she meant it.
SERFATY: Even suggesting he would try to imprison his Democratic rival if he was elected next month.
TRUMP: If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation.
CLINTON: It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.
TRUMP: Because you'd be in jail.
SERFATY: Despite the concerns by some in the party about Trump's path forward, his running mate Mike Pence says, he's not jumping ship.
[19:05:10] MIKE PENCE (R), VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: It's absolutely false to suggest that at any point in time we consider dropping off this ticket.
SERFATY: Even after Trump contradicted him during the debate on the ticket's stance towards military action in Syria.
TRUMP: He and I haven't spoken, and I disagree.
SERFATY: Pence today saying there was no daylight between the two.
PENCE: I talked to him about our policy. Donald Trump made it clear, our policy is safe zones for people suffering in Syria but also his focuses on destroying ISIS in Syria.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
SERFATY: And in a sign of support, Mike Pence returned back to the campaign trail today. That was after this weekend. He said he could not represent Donald Trump at an event on Saturday. Pence telling the North Carolina crowd today that he does not condone what Donald Trump said in those videotape, but that he believes in forgiveness -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Sunlen, thank you.
And the RNC Chairman Reince Priebus now says the party is firmly behind Donald Trump. Of course, obviously it isn't. But he did just tell members something has changed after video surfaced about Trump's bragging about groping women. Priebus though of course is the same man who responded to the tape Friday by saying no woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner ever. And now, of course, people like Paul Ryan have nothing to do with Donald Trump. Dana Bash is OUTFRONT from Washington. I mean, Dana, it's pretty
incredible what's going on here. How is this split happening?
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, let's just start with Reince Priebus. You're right. He was very harsh in his statement on Friday night after this tape came out. He wasn't involved in debate prep as he had been after that. And more importantly, he and sources inside the RNC were making clear if Donald Trump didn't have a good debate yesterday, then they might just completely pull the plug on Republican National Committee resources, which is really huge for a candidate like Donald Trump because he's relying so heavily on the party for money, for get-out-the-vote operations.
So much of the grassroots efforts that candidates do, the party is doing this time around. What Reince Priebus told his membership Erin on the phone today was, we've decided nothing has changed, we're still going to back him, his apology was heartfelt. That's what his message was. I can tell you, I'm just going to translate for you now, Donald Trump didn't melt down on the stage. And because of that, Reince Priebus and the RNC feels like if they have to stick with him despite the fact that they're certainly were not happy about that tape.
BURNETT: And Dana, Paul Ryan, is he facing any backlash for telling rank and file to go their own way, forget Trump?
BASH: He is. And I think that this is such a tale of two Republicans. Reince Priebus, the RNC chair and Paul Ryan are like best friends. They're both Republicans from Wisconsin. And you had Paul Ryan having a conference call of his own, as Sunlen was talking about with his rank and file. His message was, I can't defend him, we all have to do what we have to do to save our seats. There was a lot of pushback we are told on the call from -- lots of Republicans, though, Erin, mostly in pretty ruby red districts who have a lot of sort of leeway with their constituencies to stand by Trump and to be outspoken about it. And so that was the message that he got mostly from them, whereas a lot of the Republicans who are in more dicey situations in tough re-election bids --
BURNETT: Yes.
BASH: They're not saying anything because they do have to do what they need to do -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Dana, thank you.
And now, former George W. Bush White House staffer, veteran of two presidential campaigns, Margaret Hoover. Member of the national diversity for Donald Trump Paris Dennard. Hillary Clinton supporter Angela Rye. Trump's supporter Kayleigh McEnany. David Gergen, former advisor to four presidents. Washington bureau chief of the "Daily Beast" Jackie Kucinich and Mark Preston, the executive editor for CNN Politics.
Here we are, David Gergen, less than 30 days to go. You have the Speaker of the House saying, he's no longer going to defend the Republican nominee for president. You have the vice presidential nominee having to tell everyone that he's staying on the ticket. Have we ever been here before?
DAVID GERGEN, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL ADVISER: No, no. We've never had a civil and a party quite like this. I think you can go back to the election of 1912. A hundred and, you know, 102 -- whatever, 104 years ago.
BURNETT: Yes.
GERGEN: And find something like -- it was Teddy Roosevelt and William Howard Taft. They formed another party. You know, Roosevelt formed another party. And by the way, Taft finished third. But even so, in this particular election, it's very mixed right now. The Republicans have a serious dilemma on their hands. They have better news for Donald Trump's last night in the debate. He had a better debate. You know, Pence has swung around and RNC has now swung around. Those are important assets for him going forward.
But if you look at that poll, and what other Republicans think, that hole is so deep now. If he's really double digits back at this point in a race, we've never had anybody come from that far back at this stage. We had, you know, Hubert Humphrey was 13 points back in September of 1968 and almost caught Richard Nixon. He came within a point. But that was a long, hard slog to get there. And he had a lot more time.
BURNETT: And it's 11 points tonight, Mark, with this poll which, again, post-tape, pre-debate.
[19:10:16] MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EDITOR: Yes, 11 points. And at this point, you need to continue adding to your coalition as does Hillary Clinton, OK? I mean, you know, they are in the same position, except Hillary Clinton has been very solid and very stable over the last couple weeks. Donald Trump, we had folks from Virginia outside the Republican National Committee today, out there angry at the RNC because they don't think that the RNC has been protecting Donald Trump.
You have so much internal divide and strife right now in the Republican Party, that even once they get past November, there is going to be months of trying to figure out how they can pull the party back together. And I think they will. I mean, this isn't a dooms-day scenario, I think that the Republican Party is over. But like to David's point, they have a lot of problems that they need to kind of fix.
BURNETT: How it feels like this is just laying bare, the divisions ever are already there. Because a lot of these Republicans particularly the ones that separated from Trump over the weekend were sort of just waiting for an excuse.
JACKIE KUCINICH, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: They're waiting for another thing to happen. That shoe drops, we're out.
BURNETT: Exactly. KUCINICH: Yes. I think they were really waiting for a way to get
away and that's what they did here. They used this as, okay, that's the final straw, I can't get past that. So while this -- these divisions were present well before that tape came out.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: I think Jackie makes a really important point because these Republicans were never going to accept the will of the people. Republican voters -- 14 million turned out for Donald Trump and --
BURNETT: But they had been backing it.
(CROSSTALK)
MCENANY: Which by the way --
BURNETT: Coming out and saying we're not going to back him, that was a significant statement.
MCENANY: Sure. The RNC has been great for all of this. The RNC was always prepared to say we're only here because our voters put us here. There are a class of politicians in Washington, in both parties, in the Democratic Party who tried to thwart Bernie Sanders' rise and in the Republican Party. They don't care what the people think. They want to preserve the country club elite status they have in Washington, and they could care less about the voters.
BURNETT: Margaret?
MARGARET HOOVER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, I mean, it's fundamentally flawed and totally absurd to say people don't care about what the voters have said because he's the nominee.
MCENANY: They don't care.
HOOVER: He is the nominee of the party whether you are a sitting U.S. senator and you are up for re-election and your state is going to go by ten points for Hillary Clinton, and you decide that you cannot support him, does not mean you're not supporting the will of the voters. It means you're standing on principle, your conscience or whatever, it doesn't motivates you to win. What is most important is that there is this battle going on for the Republican Party and Paul Ryan deciding, basically saying to his candidates today, Hillary Clinton is going to win. Right? He skated -- yes. Not exactly what he said. But he's been going around the country, Paris, as you and I both know showing a better way agenda.
BURNETT: Right.
HOOVER: All he wants to do is past the better way agenda. And he essentially conceded. The only way we believe that could happen was if Donald Trump were the president. And he essentially conceded the most important thing to him.
BURNETT: Paris --
HOOVER: So, a different kind of Republican Party isn't going to happen in November.
BURNETT: Paris, how is that not what he said?
PARIS DENNARD, TRUMP NATIONAL DIVERSITY COALITION MEMBER: No. At the end of the day --
BURNETT: I mean, he's saying he's not going to defend the nominee anymore.
DENNARD: He doesn't need to defend it. The only person who needs to defend Donald Trump is Donald Trump. What we need to do is support him and say why we're going to support him and endorse his candidacy. But what he needs to focus on is what he is focusing on, which is maintaining his status as a Speaker of the House and making sure that the Republicans come back to the House and he has a majority. That's what he's going to do. Now, this is no -- not a big secret about the fact that these Republicans that are bolting were never on the Trump team 100 percent as it stands, but what we have to look at, back to your point, Mark --
BURNETT: Right. But then you look at independent voters, people who were undecided, Republicans like that who were in the middle, weren't those people compelling to those independents to say, wait a minute, if they can do it, maybe I can do it. Now they're out, doesn't it make harder for him to build the coalition?
DENNARD: Make it harder for who?
BURNETT: Donald Trump.
DENNARD: No. Not at all. Because we have to look at, two classes of people in D.C., is the establishment elitists in Washington, D.C., who are out there. Not the grassroots people.
BURNETT: OK. All of you are going to stay here.
Next, Hillary Clinton rallying supporters in Ohio. We're going to take a look at the road to 270. Can it really be done?
And the woman at the center of the leaked Trump tape speaking out tonight. That's next. And what do Trump's female supporters really think of what he says is locker room talk?
And from flies to sniffles to a red sweater, the real debate -- oh, show stoppers.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[19:18:10] BURNETT: Breaking news tonight. The woman at the center of the leaked audio between Donald Trump and Billy Bush breaking her silence appearing just moments ago on "Entertainment Tonight," host Nancy O'Dell spoke out about how Trump described and pursued her, here she is.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) NANCY O'DELL, ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT HOST: There is no room for objectification of women or anyone for that matter. Not even in the locker room. And as a mom, I have to add that our kids especially our young girls need to know that their hard work, their achievements, their intelligence, their heart are most important and those things will not go unnoticed.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: Nancy O'Dell there. This is coming as Trump is about to speak to supporters. You see Rudy Giuliani introducing him in Pennsylvania. At a very full rally. The question tonight, of course, though, whether Trump supporters, specifically women are put off by Trump's comments or not.
Jessica Schneider is OUTFRONT. She spoke to them.
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TRUMP: I moved on her and I failed. I'll admit it.
BILLY BUSH, FORMER ACCESS HOLLYWOOD HOST: Whoa!
TRUMP: I did try (bleep). She was married.
Hello, how are you?
JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's the hot mic rocking the presidential race.
TRUMP: And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
BUSH: Whatever you want.
TRUMP: Grab them by the pussy.
SCHNEIDER: But at Trump's first rally since the tape surfaced, suburban Pittsburgh moms here say Trump's words don't change their support for him.
ANDREA GREENE, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: I think there's more important issues than what Donald Trump said 11 years ago. I think the things that Hillary Clinton has done and not done far outweigh anything Donald Trump has said.
SCHNEIDER: Andrea Greene voted for Bill Clinton twice and supported Ted Cruz in the primary. She brought her 8-year-old daughter, Sydney, to this Ambridge, Pennsylvania rally.
(on camera): Do you think Trump is a positive role model for your daughter?
GREENE: I think he has a potential to be a positive role model for my daughter. I don't think in the past his behavior is necessarily what I want my daughter to see. But I'll tell you what, a pathological liar even being a woman is certainly not a role model for my daughter.
SCHNEIDER: It didn't bother you that a presidential candidate was talking like that?
COLLEEN MOSES, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Not a bit. Not a bit. No.
SCHNEIDER (voice-over): Colleen Moses has 17-year-old triplets. Two boys and a girl. National Security is her number one priority since her two sons plan to enlist at age 18. She says Hillary Clinton's role in Benghazi is worse than Trump's words saying the lewd language doesn't faze her.
(on camera): What do you think when it comes to your children when they hear something like this?
MOSES: It's nothing. My boys are 17 and there is really not much I have not heard said.
LINDSEY WILLIAMS, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: I don't get it.
SCHNEIDER (voice-over): Lindsey Williams stood across the street from these supporters aghast. She backs Hillary Clinton and says Trump's words are disqualifying.
WILLIAMS: It is sexual assault. It's not acceptable, it's not okay, and it's not just locker room talk.
SCHNEIDER: Desiree Conrad brought her four young boys to see the man she says is not a canned politician.
DESIREE CONRAD, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Any time that a politician is caught doing something or caught in a lie, they come back with a misspoken, it's not true, it was taken out of context. The fact that he stands up and said, yes, I did it and I can't take it done it back, it's done and over with, that's the most refreshing part for me.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
SCHNEIDER: The women I spoke with here today are part of that key and coveted suburban female voter demographic. They are being courted by both campaigns. But the women here, Erin, at this Trump rally tell me that the backlash over this Trump tape is being overblown, and they still plan to cast their ballot for Donald Trump -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Jessica, thank you very much. Fantastic report. And I think everyone watching it learned something from that.
Let me bring back my panel. Angela, what does that say to you? These women, some of them had issues with it, some of them didn't have issues at all. But they're not changing their votes.
ANGELA RYE, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Well, it says a lot, one says that I definitely live in a bubble and the bubble that I live in is one where sexual assault and rape culture is not okay. And that's a bubble that I never want to climb out of. I never want to get to a point where someone's words about harmful, offensive touching and groping, are okay. They're not okay. And one of the things that I wanted to do was read quickly just what the definition of sexual assault is because he denied any type of sexual assault when Anderson asked him about it at the debate last night.
"Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forceful sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling and attempted rape." And fondling is clear, if you're grabbing people, I am not going to say it, you're grabbing people in their private areas, that is fondling. That is sexual assault.
MCENANY: Right. He's done none of those things, Angela.
(CROSSTALK)
RYE: He has if you listen to the victim --
MCENANY: Just so ironic -- Clinton's --
RYE: No, no, no! No, I'm sorry, Bill Clinton is not running for office.
MCENANY: The selective outrage that the left is okay with Hillary Clinton who put private investigators on people who had viable sexual assault claims --
RYE: Kayleigh --
MCENANY: It is selective outrage.
RYE: No, it's not.
MCENANY: People see through it. Because that same NBC poll that was taken before the debate, before the apology --
RYE: Kayleigh --
MCENANY: That's what it shows, 60 percent do not think that this video is disqualifying or have no opinion of it.
RYE: Kayleigh --
MCENANY: That 60 percent --
RYE: And that's what I'm talking about.
MCENANY: He apologized. And most Americans believe in forgiveness.
RYE: No. Most Americans don't believe that it was --
MCENANY: Actually five times.
[19:23:28] RYE: Excuse me. So just really quickly, I know that you all have a road that you have to stay on but it's also not honest.
MCENANY: We don't have to stay on it.
RYE: Well, you're staying on it. Well, I'm sorry. The fact of the matter is, Bill Clinton is not running for president of the United States --
MCENANY: But the person --
BURNETT: OK.
RYE: But I'm not going to -- I'm not going to let you all continue to say that she allowed him -- no, she didn't. How did she facilitate it?
MCENANY: When asked about it -- Angela, calm down, calm down.
RYE: No, no, no, because that's rape culture. Kayleigh, you're blaming someone who succumbed to someone committing adultery on her. We're Christians. So, let's talk about what that is.
MCENANY: She was accused of facilitating it last night and she was definitely silent.
RYE: Kayleigh, you're wrong. You know why, because it's f-ing ridiculous, dude. It's so ridiculous. That is crazy.
DENNARD: Play the tape. All you have to do is play the videotapes.
RYE: I don't believe you. I really can't. Meanwhile, Roger Stone is paying $25,000 of another victim. And that's what you all are going to be proud of?
BURNETT: Let me bring in Paris and Margaret.
(CROSSTALK)
RYE: Give me a break.
BURNETT: Margaret?
HOOVER: Well, I mean, selective memory and choosing whether -- I mean, there are depositions also against Donald Trump that accuse him of rape. Let's be very clear.
MCENANY: And that case was dismissed.
HOOVER: Regardless of whether they were dismissed, they're under oath and they're there, Kayleigh. So, let's not be totally selective. Let's also just talk about the role of women here. Because, you know what, those women were great and they were fans of Donald Trump, they were also at a Donald Trump rally.
RYE: Right.
HOOVER: This is no longer about women at Donald Trump rallies. This is about independent women, Republican women. Guess what, 70 percent of Republican women back in August were going to vote for Donald Trump to Mitt Romney's 93 percent of Republican women and John McCain's 89 percent of Republican women. That was August. That was not now. These numbers are bleeding for Donald Trump and so it doesn't matter what his fans say. It matters about these women in these swing states and where they're going and they're not going for Donald Trump.
BURNETT: All right. So, to that point, obviously you have this tape. There's now the question about thousands of hours on "The Apprentice" whether that's going to come out. Mark Burnett says, the producer, I'm a Democrat, but I can't put it out. There's laws that I can't do that. But there are things that we do have. We have Donald Trump on "Howard Stern" talking about his daughter in 2004 and 2006.
I want to play it and just see whether our nonpartisans think that this will matter for the very demographic that Margaret just talked about. Here's Donald Trump on "Howard Stern."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: My daughter is beautiful, Ivanka, she --
HOWARD STERN, HOST, "THE HOWARD STERN SHOW": By the way, your daughter --
TRUMP: She's beautiful.
STERN: Can I say this? A piece of ass.
TRUMP: Yes.
STERN: Did your daughter get breast implants?
TRUMP: No.
STERN: No, you mean that?
TRUMP: No, she didn't. I Mean, I would know if she did. The answer is no. Why? Did she look a little more fat?
STERN: She looks more voluptuous than ever.
TRUMP: No, she didn't get them.
STERN: And she got thinner --
TRUMP: She's actually always been voluptuous. She's tall. She's almost six feet tall.
STERN: She's some catch.
TRUMP: She's been, you know, she's an amazing beauty.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: Oh, God!
PRESTON: I'm going to pass this of. Let me pass this to Jackie. KUCINICH: It's so gross. It's one thing to say your daughter is
beautiful. Right? And to brag about your daughter. That is icky. And the ick factor is a problem for women. If you're not a Donald Trump fan, and you hear something like that, and even for men, if you've got daughters, you've seen a woman once, I don't know, that just really icks me out. I'm sorry, just being honest.
PRESTON: Can we just say two quick things? One, I have a 12-year-old daughter so when I do hear that, I react to that a lot differently I think than somebody who perhaps doesn't have a daughter. And I could wrong. But personally it really does make me cringe. But even to a bigger point, we all know that these recording existed.
BURNETT: Right.
PRESTON: Howard Stern has been around for a long time. The problem with these recordings and the problem with everything right now, is that they're building the narrative and they're reinforcing the narrative that this is an ongoing pursuit of Donald Trump's. And in fact, he said it today, you ran the clip at the top. He said, if you keep on releasing videos about me, then I'm going to come right after you, Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, which means there are more videos out there and he just acknowledged that today.
BURNETT: Quick final word, David.
GERGEN: Well, two things. One is, I found the most repulsive thing about what came out, other stuff, was that he owned this Miss Universe pageant and that he would bust into women's dressing rooms while they were undressed, unannounced, because he sort of owned the place. I mean, that is so gross and so violative of respecting women. It's really hard to do a 180 on this. I want to go back to one more fundamental point. Repeatedly, we hear -- Kayleigh, you and others on the Trump campaigns, the Republican National Committee is not loyal enough to Donald Trump. Sometimes I wish you would change the question and ask, is Donald Trump loyal to the Republican Party?
MCENANY: Well, I think the RNC has been great. I'm on the camp of the RNC has been very good.
GERGEN: Corey, your colleague, was like on fire last night about this, against the RNC.
BURNETT: Yep.
[19:28:11] GERGEN: And the RNC leaders. You've been talking about that. So, but anyway, I think Donald Trump has been the least loyal person to a political party being nominated as the nominee of that party of anybody in modern times. I mean, he has driven people out of the Republican Party starting with Latinos, with Blacks, with college- educated people. And he's now driving women out. He is going to hurt this party so badly and his loyalty to some degree, he ought to be grateful to the party for his nomination.
BURNETT: All right. We leave it there. Thank you, all. And next, Warren Buffett slamming Donald Trump's tax returns. Top
Trump campaign official next. And who was telling the truth in last night's debate and who was not? Well, it is time for the fact-check.
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[19:32:44] BURNETT: The breaking news: Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton both on the campaign trail at this moment. Just 29 days to go until Election Day. Trump rallying supporters in Pennsylvania. Clinton on stage in Columbus, Ohio. Both sides fiercely battling for those must-win states.
David Chalian is our political director, he's OUTFRONT.
And, David, when it comes to this, right? This is all now a map to 270. It's a state-by-state war. Who has a better hold right now?
DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Well, Erin, the answer to that is clearly Hillary Clinton. Take a look at this. As you just said, it's the road to 270. We've got her at 272, if you look at all the states that are solidly in her corner or leaning her direction.
So, she's definitely got the stronger hold on the map. In fact, take a look at what happens if Donald Trump were to win the four remaining true battleground tossup states, Nevada, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, and he's in the hunt in all four of those. He still doesn't get to 270. He's still shy, Erin. That is how you can see that Hillary Clinton has such a solid grasp right now on the electoral map.
BURNETT: So what states is Trump trying to flip?
CHALIAN: So, look where he is tonight. Two events today in Pennsylvania. This is one of the key states right here. If that were to flip red, look that what happens. She goes down to 252, Hillary Clinton does, Donald Trump up to 284 and that's victory.
He's also looking at a place like Michigan. That would obviously get him much higher to 300 here. But it's these, in this region here, this Upper Midwest Rust Belt region, where he is looking to try to dig into some blue territory right now and flip it.
But, Erin, nothing that happened on that debate stage last night shows that he's being able to take those states and move them in his direction at all.
BURNETT: All right. David Chalian, thank you very much.
Now, the Trump campaign speaks. OUTFRONT now, Jason Miller, Trump senior communications adviser.
So, Jason, you just saw the map. You obviously know the latest poll with Trump down 11 points. The poll taken after the tape, before last night's debate. What are you doing to turn it around, to turn those states?
JASON MILLER, TRUMP SENIOR COMMUNICATIONS ADVISER: Couple things, Erin. First, I'll push back a bit on the NBC poll. If you take a look at the "L.A. Times" national tracking poll still has Mr. Trump in front by several points. I'd say there's several other states where I think we have great opportunities for pickups. You look at Colorado, look at Michigan. David mentioned Pennsylvania.
[19:35:00] These are all states where I think Mr. Trump has a great chance, where recent polls show we're in really great shape. But again, the whole NBC poll, the fact that it happened before last night's debate, which Mr. Trump won big league, as he would say, I think is little bit off base.
BURNETT: And, obviously, of course, our snap poll which is scientific showed he did not win, but obviously, I know you felt he did. That's, of course, your right to believe that.
Paul Ryan, though, House speaker, not making it easier for you in your quest. Your quest to flip states. He's come out today and said I'm not going to defend Donald Trump anymore, go ahead and do what you need to do.
Has Trump spoken directly with Paul Ryan about this? Did they have a conversation?
MILLER: I'm not aware of them talking today. They have spoken a number of times in the past. But ultimately, this isn't going to make a difference in the campaign. Mr. Trump's campaign is powered by the people, by this grassroots movement. It's never been about the D.C. insiders.
Keep in mind, in the primary, Mr. Trump faced, what, 16 opponents, and he went through them, one with pretty big margins. And this has never been about margin. It's been about the people, these grassroots efforts all around the country.
BURNETT: So, in terms of your plan, things you're going do, source telling CNN today, I know you've probably heard this, but the commission on presidential debates, basically the co-chairman put the kibosh on Trump's plan to have the Clinton accusers, the women sit in the family box, at the last minute they said, no, they can't actually sit there.
The question for you, are we going to see more of them on the campaign trail?
MILLER: As far as what we're going see on the campaign trail, not going to speak so much to that, as what we may or may not see. I think what we saw last night was an example of us pushing back against the hypocrisy from Hillary Clinton. We've seen Hillary Clinton attack Mr. Trump over and over, and yesterday, we put it back to Hillary Clinton and showed here is her long record of being disrespectful and being abusive to women.
And here -- doing things that put them in very un as we look at the case, say, of Kathy Shelton who Hillary Clinton represented the --
BURNETT: That's the 12 -- at the time was a 12-year-old. MILLER: A 12-year-old. That was in some of the comments that came
after that. Look, we're going to go ahead and push back and make sure we're defending ourselves
BURNETT: So, Hillary Clinton did come out and speak about the issue of sexual assault today. Actually, just moments ago at her rally in Columbus, she spoke about it. She spoke about Donald Trump when he dismissed last night, those comments as locker room banter on that tape.
Here's what she just said a moment ago, Jason.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And last night, he doubled down on his excuse saying that, well, it's just locker room banter. You know wt's happened today which is so interesting is that a lot of athletes and coaches from the NBA, from Major League Baseball, from the NFL and more, have been coming forward, tweeting, they've been saying, no, that's not what happens in our locker rooms.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: Are they all wrong, Donald Trump is right? Is it still fair to call this locker room banter?
MILLER: Of course, Secretary Clinton didn't -- had this as part of her answer last night or just a few minutes ago.
BURNETT: Yes.
MILLER: But Mr. Trump very clearly last night came out and apologized for his comments. He apologized to his family. He apologized to the American people and he said that he wants to talk about the issues that really are affecting this country. And that's what he did last night. I think it's a big part of the reason why he won.
BURNETT: So, one thing after last was asked by Anderson Cooper directly three times whether he said the things in the tape, whether he actually did those things. I just want to play that for you. Here he is.
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent?
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have great respect for women. Nobody has more respect for women than I do.
COOPER: So, for the record, you're saying you never did that?
TRUMP: I said things, frankly, you hear these things. They're said. I was embarrassed by it, but I have tremendous respect for women.
COOPER: Have you ever done those things?
TRUMP: Women have respect for me. I will tell you -- no, I have not.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: Why did it take it three times for him to say, no, I have not? It was a pretty clear question.
MILLER: I think Mr. Trump answered it very clearly. These are not things that he has done. But, again, last night, Mr. Trump apologized. We're ready to move on.
BURNETT: I do have to ask you, though, several have stories that contradict what Trump said. They obviously allege that he did do these things. Miss Utah, former Miss Utah says Trump kissed her without her consent, I have reported on a friend I know who said that that also happened to her.
Are you concerned, in any way, that Trump could be misleading the American people when he says, no, that that never happened?
MILLER: Not at all. These are baseless charges. Mr. Trump has great respect for women. You take a look at his strong positive record of empowering women. His company, and all aspects of professional life, and these are baseless attacks.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time, Jason Miller.
And next, Donald Trump lurking and wandering behind Hillary Clinton. What was going on? We're going to read the body language.
[19:40:00] And we'll separate the truth fro the outrageous claims, false charges, in moments like this one.
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TRUMP: She's there as secretary of state with the so-called "line in the sand", which --
CLINTON: No, I wasn't, I was gone. I hate to interrupt you, but --
TRUMP: But you were in contact -- excuse me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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BURNETT: Tonight, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton both claiming victory in the second presidential debate, but who actually told the truth?
Tom Foreman is OUTFRONT with our fact check.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On the economy, Donald Trump says trade deals supported by Hillary Clinton have left America importing more than it exports.
TRUMP: Last year, we had an almost $800 billion trade deficit.
FOREMAN: The deficit is big, but that $800 billion in goods is offset by about $300 billion in services, leaving a net deficit of $500 billion. That number makes his claim false.
Clinton says she can help everyone with jobs. Look what happened when her husband was president.
CLINTON: African-American incomes went up 33 percent.
FOREMAN: That's true, but Trump says when she was a senator --
TRUMP: Hillary was going to bring back jobs to Upstate New York and she failed.
[19:45:04] FOREMAN: -- and that's mostly true, too.
On health care, Clinton says reform has really helped.
CLINTON: Right now, we are at 90 percent health insurance coverage. That's the highest we've ever been.
FOREMAN: That's true. Yet, Trump says she's still pushing for a single-payer government plan.
TRUMP: Which means the government basically rules everything.
FOREMAN: And that's false.
On Syria, Trump said Clinton was part of the White House warning to the Syrian government of dire consequences if chemical weapons were used against rebels.
TRUMP: She's there as secretary of state with the so-called "line in the sand", which --
CLINTON: No, I wasn't, I was gone. I hate to interrupt you, but --
FOREMAN: Clinton was secretary of state when that line was drawn. Her statement to the contrary is false, even though she had resigned by the time the White House confirmed the weapons had been used and yet took no military action.
On a related note, the Russians, Trump said airstrikes in Syria are important.
TRUMP: Russia is killing ISIS.
FOREMAN: U.S. officials say false. The Russians are largely killing rebels.
Meanwhile, Clinton said Russian hackers have hit the computers of U.S. political groups because --
CLINTON: They're doing it to try to influence the election for Donald Trump.
FOREMAN: False. She may think so, but the intelligence community isn't saying that.
And among many suggestions about many scandals --
CLINTON: That was a mistake.
FOREMAN: -- Clinton has tried to downplay the seriousness of her email issues. That's true.
Trump tweeted for his followers to check out the sex tape of a former Miss Universe who has criticized him.
TRUMP: No, there wasn't check out a sex tape --
FOREMAN: But there it is. His denial is false.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
FOREMAN: By our account, Trump actually used false statements a lot more than Hillary Clinton did, but she still did say some, which likely means that neither candidate did anything to end a perpetual problem in this election for both parties. The public by and large still does not trust either of these candidates -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Tom Foreman, thank you.
And next, what debate moment really got under Hillary Clinton's skin?
And Jeanne Moos on the unlikely part of the debate, now with the famous cardigan since Mr. Rogers.
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[19:50:54] BURNETT: Donald Trump back on the trail tonight after last night's debate, a contentious town hall that saw both candidates talking to voters. And while there were a lot of nastiness going on, at time it was really the body language that dominated the debate.
And in a town hall format, you can see that's perhaps as so much more crucial than any other format.
Chris Ulrich is a lead instructor at the Body Language Institute.
Chris, good to see you again.
CHRIS ULRICH, LEAD INSTRUCTOR, BODY LANGUAGE INSTITUTE: Hi, Erin.
BURNETT: So, one of the things we keep hearing about because it was a town hall format, you had Hillary Clinton standing and walking around, Donald Trump walking around. Sometimes when she would walk over to the audience, he sort of seemed to be just looming back there. What do you make of this body interaction, for lack of a better word?
ULRICH: Well, for Hillary, she's walking over to connect with the voter. To come up close, to make that, have that rapport and make that connection. And simply we see Donald Trump move into her personal space. This is something we call proxemics, it's the space in which we interact. And zero to 18 inches is private intimate space and beyond that, 2 to 4 feet is much more personal space.
But by Donald Trump moving into that space, it's a very aggressive move. It's literally like he's moving into her personal space. Here he is talking about he respects women and here he is moving into her space, backing right into her.
He also then will wander off around the back side of the stage there. It's almost at that point he realizes he does some physiological distancing from her in that particular moment, almost like a reset to calm himself down, to regather himself.
So, it's a very fascinating, very aggressive move by him in that particular move.
BURNETT: And all the more so perhaps for the fact that you know it was subconscious in so in ways, right? It wasn't like I'm trying to be aggressive here, just how he moved on the stage.
You do talk about a moment where Trump, Chris, may have gotten under Hillary Clinton's skin. This is when he was talking about Obamacare. We'll show you the video now of exactly what happened at that moment. And you can tell us what you noticed. He's right now talking about Obamacare. Hillary Clinton does something with her lips.
ULRICH: Yes. When we see someone when their lips disappear like this, one, it's a sign of some stress for us in that particular moment. And what we say at the Body Language Institute, is when we don't like we see or hear, our lips will disappear. It's a kind of frustration or anger or -- in that particular moment. And it shows that physically, the manifestation shows through the lips vanishing.
BURNETT: And just before the debate started, Bill Clinton and Melania Trump were introduced. This was a moment everybody was watching. This, of course, happened after Trump appeared with, invited Clinton's past accusers to the debate.
So, they were going to be in the room. Very awkward handshake. What do you see when you see that particular instant?
ULRICH: Well, it's a night of contrasts, Erin, in terms of the initial handshake between the -- the lack of handshake between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, very different than the last debate. Here also a contrast.
In the last debate, we saw Mr. Clinton when he would -- when the Trump family, they shook hands warmly. They said hello. This is the opposite. They walk up, when he walks into Melania, he's not even facing her.
We normally will face our belly button in the direction of people we're talking to as we greet them. But he's open and he's facing the seats away from her.
It's almost like he's giving her a cold shoulder and she him. It's a very unfriendly handshake. It's much more cordial, polite, let's get this done so both of us can go to our seats. It's about ending that as fast as possible. Probably we can perceive from that, it's likely based upon the hours beforehand and some of the antagonism that had built up.
BURNETT: I'm sure.
ULRICH: We see that manifested in between the two of them.
BURNETT: Well, thanks very much to you. And, of course, to remind everybody, Bill and Hillary Clinton were at Donald Trump and Melania Trump's wedding. So she met them there and there was a picture from the Clinton Library where she appeared with another swimsuit model and Bill Clinton. So, certainly, Melania Trump and Bill Clinton knew each other but that was an awkward shake.
All right. Jeanne Moos sniffing out those little moments that fly by as the debate goes.
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BURNETT: The real winner of the presidential debate was the red sweater guy. Here's Jeanne Moos.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What do a fly, a sniff, and a red sweater have in common? The power to distract us from a doozy of a debate.
The fly got a lot of buzz --
CLINTON: Any way he chooses.
MOOS: -- when it buzzed Hillary's brow.
CLINTON: When they go low, you go high.
MOOS: It lingered on her finger, nestled on her chest, spawning more than a dozen Twitter accounts claiming to be the fly.
Now, Hillary did not swat the intruder on her eyebrow.
Her restraint caused some to compare her to the robot that didn't flinch on "West World."
But the fly made only a brief cameo. The sniffs were nonstop pests.
(SNIFFING) MOOS: Critics called the sniff a tell. The bigger the sniff, the bigger the lie.
TRUMP: I apologize for those words.
MOOS: Last debate, the Donald suggested a bum microphone picked up his breathing.
Most experts think, the sniff is a nervous tick, brought on by stress.
But a biomechanics coach blames it on the Donald's posture, interfering with his rib cage, requiring him to sniff to get more oxygen to his brain.
This undecided voter's sweater was nothing to sniff at.
KEN BONE: To meet our energy needs.
MOOS: Somehow smitten with Ken Bone's mustache and his red sweater, Twitter lit up. Not all heroes wear capes, some wear snazzy red sweaters.
Izod tried to cash in promoting selling for $48.99 at Kohl's. And Ken Bone explained how he originally was wearing an olive suit to the debate.
BONE: I split the seat of my pants all the way open, so the red sweater was a plan B.
MOOS: Maybe the candidates can use plan B, lose all the lurking and looming.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's like a mongoose and a cobra in a steel cage match.
MOOS: Only there was no hissing at the debate, just sniffing.
TRUMP: Sign on with the devil.
MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
BURNETT: Izod (ph) should do something for him.
Thank you for joining us.
Anderson starts now.
