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Trump Accuser: "Oh, I'm Sure She's Never Been Grabbed Before"; New CNN/ORC Poll: Clinton Leads Trump By Five Points; Warren Campaigns with Clinton, Tears Into Trump; Trump's Immigration Flip-Flop Caught on Tape; AT&T Strikes $85 Billion Mega-Deal to Buy Time Warner. Aired 7-8p ET
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[19:00:08] ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT next, breaking news. Donald Trump mocking a woman accusing him of sexual assault as a new CNN poll is released tonight.
Plus, Joe Biden live this hour doubling down on his wish for a fistfight with Donald Trump.
And the tail of the tape. Trump's flip-flop on his signature issue. Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening, I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, I'm sure she's been grabbed before, that was Donald Trump's comment today about a porn star who accused him of grabbing her.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: One said, he grabbed me on the arm, and she's a porn star. Now, you know, this one that came out recently, he grabbed me and he grabbed me on the arm. Oh, I'm sure she's never been grabbed before.
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BURNETT: This comes as Trump's campaign is in high gear trying to win over voters as he crisscrosses battleground states making his closing argument. But he couldn't stop talking about his female accusers. Today's comment in a radio interview about a new accuser, Jessica Drake, she joins at least ten others. You see her there with the long blond hair. She describes herself as an adult film star and producer, and charges that at a golf tournament ten years ago, Trump invited her to his room, grabbed her, kissed her and eventually offered her $10,000.
Today, Trump fired back insisting her story is a lie, also insisting he is winning the race calling polls that show him behind phony and dark. Now, our new poll just released tonight show this race is very close. Trump trailing Clinton by only five points nationally among likely voters. And by the way, that hasn't changed over the past month with the tape and the women accusers. No change in the margin. Right now, Trump in Tampa, live pictures of that rally about to begin. He'll be speaking live in just moments from now. Jim Acosta is OUTFRONT at that Trump rally in Tampa. And Jim, our
polls showing Trump down by five. Obviously hasn't moved in the past month. And Trump is not focusing. He says not paying attention to polls that show him down.
JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's right, Erin. He'll be out here in Tampa in just a few moments. He is making a big push across the state of Florida all week, it is a must-win battleground for the GOP nominee who insists he is winning this race despite being behind in the polls including ours here at CNN, but Donald Trump is writing off those polls as dark polls.
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ACOSTA (voice-over): Don't believe the polls, Donald Trump says, believe him.
TRUMP: And watch the polls because this is part of the crooked system.
ACOSTA: As Trump explained to farmers in Florida, the latest election polls conducted by the mainstream news media are part of a bitter harvest seeding doubts about his ability to win.
TRUMP: These are what they call them dark polls. They are phony polls put out by phony media. And I'll tell you what, all of us are affected by this stuff. And what they do is they try and suppress the vote. This way people don't go out and vote.
ACOSTA: For Trump, the polls are now part of the conspiracy to deny him the White House. Or as he described it, roughly seven times in one minute, a rigged system.
TRUMP: We are going to fix our rigged system. It's a rigged, broken, corrupt system. It's rigged. It's broken. It's corrupt. They want me to take that back. Let me tell you, folks, it's a rigged system. We're in a rigged system. We're in a broken and corrupt system. And Bernie Sanders was in a rigged system.
ACOSTA: The latest CNN/ORC poll finds Trump trailing Clinton by five points.
KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: We are behind.
ACOSTA: Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway conceded what aides say privately, Trump will have to come from behind to win.
CONWAY: Her husband campaigning for her, the current President and First Lady, vice president, all much more popular than she can hope to be, and she's seen as the incumbent. So, our advantage going in, we're behind one, three, four points in some of these swing states that Mitt Romney lost to President Obama, our advantage is that Donald Trump is just going to continue to take the case directly to the people.
ACOSTA: But it's a case Trump sometimes mishandles. Such as when he traveled to Gettysburg to lay out his vision for his first 100 days in office. Only to spend the first ten minutes attacking the women who accused him of sexual assault.
TRUMP: All of these liars will be sued after the election is over.
ACOSTA: Just today, Trump rushed off one of his newest accusers.
JESSICA DRAKE, DONALD TRUMP ACCUSER: He grabbed each of us tightly in a hug and kissed each one of us without asking permission.
ACOSTA: Pointing out she starred in adult films.
TRUMP: One said he grabbed me on the arm, and she's a porn star. Now, you know, this one that came out recently, he grabbed me and he grabbed me on arm. I'm sure she's never been grabbed before.
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ACOSTA: Now, Donald Trump is also stepping up his attacks on the national news media. Earlier today at a rally in St. Augustine, Florida, he described reporters covering his campaign as crooks and thieves. That is on top of calling reporters in the past disgusting and dishonest, but if any Republican out there is dissatisfied with the campaign coverage, Erin, the Trump campaign has a solution.
[19:05:10] Earlier this evening on Donald Trump's Facebook page, his advisers were hosting something that looked very much like Trump TV. There were advisers, even campaign Manager Kellyanne who is still in the vouchers of the GOP nominee. Even at the bottom of the screen, there was a pro-Trump crawl like you see on CNN and other news networks. The campaign says it's not Trump TV but sure looks like it -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Jim Acosta, thank you very much.
I want to go to Sara Murray. She is OUTFRONT in St. Augustine right now. And Sara, you know, when you look at the poll here that we're just breaking on CNN, it is fascinating that the margin has not changed. So if you look at the female accusers, you look at the tape, it does not seem to have hurt Trump at all in this poll, does it?
SARA MURRAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is really stunning to see that it is still just a five-point race in our poll, Erin. When you look at the latest poll, has Clinton at 49 percent, Donald Trump at 44 percent. But look at how that compares to numbers in early October. That same five-point gap with Clinton at 47 percent. Trump at 42 percent. So what that tells you is there are still people flocking to third-party candidates. There are still people who are undecided.
But also both of these candidates have started to bring home some more of their core supporters which has helped move their numbers up. But one thing that is still a huge problem for Donald Trump is when you look at the gender gap in the latest polls, look at Hillary Clinton's numbers with women. She is at 53 percent compared to Donald Trump who is at 41 percent. That is a 12-point gap. Now, the Trump folks would say, well, look at Hillary Clinton's numbers with men, she struggles with that group. And that is true. Hillary Clinton has not performed though as well. And if you look at this poll, she's at 45 percent compared to Trump at 48 percent. But there is nowhere near the same margin as we're seeing on the side with women -- Erin.
BURNETT: And which is obviously very crucial. There is a bright spot for Trump in this poll, though, an area where, I mean, overall, both he and Clinton went up, but specific area where he went up, that is the most important area for most voters.
MURRAY: Right, this has really been a stronghold for Donald Trump and that's when we're talking about the economy, and, you know, we all remember, it's the economy, stupid, right? And that has been true again in many ways in this election. Ninety one percent of voters say that this is very important or most important. They believe this is their top issue. And this is an issue where Donald Trump tops Hillary Clinton. He comes in at 51 percent compared to Hillary Clinton's 47 percent. And he's actually gained a couple points on that issue, since our last poll.
But there is another bright shine in here for Hillary Clinton, and that is when you look at her trustworthy numbers. This has been, of course, her Achilles' heel, part of a sort of a ramification of her being in politics for the last 30 years but also very related to the questions about how she used her private e-mail server. And when you look at those trustworthy numbers, she and Donald Trump are essentially tied in our latest poll, 42 percent of voters saying that they find Hillary Clinton honest and trustworthy, compared to 43 percent for Trump.
BURNETT: All right, Sara. Thank you very much.
And OUTFRONT now, Trump supporter Kayleigh McEnany, Clinton supporter Karine Jean-Pierre. Dana Bash, our chief political correspondent. Mark Preston, our executive editor for Politics.
Dana, on this new poll though, Trump down by five. By the way, the margin of error is three-and-a-half points. So, you're looking at a point and a half race outside the margin of error which is stunningly closed and unchanged with the tape, with the women accusers.
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF CORRESPONDENT: You see it's done exactly what I saw in this poll, is that the numbers are different but the margin isn't. And what we've seen, the movement that we've seen since the last poll that we've talked, taken, even though there has been an avalanche of bad news for Donald Trump. The polls have shifted away from Gary Johnson, the Independent candidate.
BURNETT: Yes.
BASH: The libertarian candidate. And Donald Trump's overall numbers, you know, have gone up a little bit. So have Hillary Clinton's. But as you said, the margin is not different. So what that means is the race that really matters is kind of frozen in place, and that's good news, if you're Donald Trump looking for a silver lining, especially when you hear, you know, story after story after Republicans giving up on him, looking at down-ballot race and hearing Hillary Clinton and her aides talk about the transition and look towards a future of a Clinton presidency. But the bad news for Donald Trump is that he still has at least on a national level a five-point deficit to make up.
BURNETT: Right. Which is obviously -- I mean, you know, it's significant. And Kelly, this comes as he's out trying to make his closing arguments and yet, he is the one unprompted at rallies bringing up his accusers, threatening to sue them. I want to play, again, some of what Trump said today about the harassment and assault accusations, in particular here, he's going to talk about this one moment, there porn star. Here he is.
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TRUMP: They were made up. I don't know these women. It's not my thing to do what they say. You know, I don't do that. And you know, I don't grab them on the -- you know, as they say, on the arm, and one said he grabbed me on the arm and she's a porn star. Now, you know, this one that came out recently, he grabbed me and he grabbed me on the arm. Oh, I'm sure she's never been grabbed before.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[19:10:19] BURNETT: All right. So this is the woman, Kayleigh, who accused him of grabbing her, kissing her, offering her $10,000. He's saying he didn't do it, but then it does sound like he's saying, well, if I did it, it's OK because she's a porn star?
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: No, that's not what I heard. I heard that as buttressing the earlier part of the argument which is, I never did this, I don't know this woman, in the end saying, I'm sure she's never been grabbed before was a reflection of what he was saying in the beginning that he, in fact, never grabbed her. And I really think that a lot of this is much ado about nothing. Because we sit at this table litigating issues that should be litigated in court.
In fact, the bottom of our CNN poll, it shows that voters were asked, do you think how Hillary Clinton handled her e-mails is indicative of how she'd be as president? They were asked the same thing about Donald Trump with these women issues. It's actually more voters thought Hillary Clinton's e-mails were more of an indication how she'd handle the presidency. So, I think voters are voting on issues. I'm very encouraged by this poll. I hope they end up voting on the economy, the issue most important to them, because that's Donald Trump's biggest issue.
BURNETT: Karine?
KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Excuse me. Look, I think it is clear that Donald Trump has no idea what sexual assault means which is incredibly dangerous for someone whose wanting to be president of these United States. And also, I mean, look, one in five women are affected by this. And for him to say that, all it does, it opens up old wounds and he -- it's not new, right? He showed he didn't understand sexual assault when he made those comments after the "Access Hollywood" tapes. He showed that he didn't understand sexual assault after these 11 women or 12 women have come out now, and made these allegations. And now he's showed it again today. And honestly, as a woman, it's incredibly insulting and it's disqualifying.
BURNETT: Mark, here's the thing, though, on this debate, when you look at how he's doing with women, OK? He's behind and he's behind significantly, yet what's fascinating is he's not doing that badly relative to how, say, George W. Bush did. One of the women who accused Trump of assault, you know, he said he's going to threaten to sue these women. She came out and said to CNN, these is Temple Taggart who was Miss Utah that said he kissed her.
She said, "It's still disappointing to think that Mr. Trump lacks enough humility and decency to simply come clean and admit his part in this, rather than attempt to conceal the truth and silence his accusers by threatening a lawsuit. She's unafraid about him suing her. And yet when you look about, look at what's happening with him with women, he's down by 12 points. George W. Bush won the White House with a ten-point deficit, right? So, he's only two points away from George W. Bush. But that's pretty significant, isn't it?
MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EDITOR: It is. I mean, listen, look, Donald Trump has hit a nerve in the country right now where people just don't like Hillary Clinton. I mean, that has really hurt her and might very well be her biggest Achilles' heel right now. They just don't like her personally. So, even if they hear these allegations, and they are allegations but they're multiple allegations.
They still look at them and say, you know what, I still don't like her. I don't know if that's true or not, but I still don't like her. And I think that's why we're seeing the race a lot closer than what you would expect it, you know, given the news and the allegations.
BASH: And he is outperforming men especially non-college educed white men way more than George W. Bush or Mitt Romney did which they're hoping inside Trump Tower can overcome the deficit that he has with women, unclear if there's enough, but that's what they're hoping.
BURNETT: All right. Thanks to all. Of course, staying with me.
Next, the issue that catapulted Trump to the nomination. Wait until, though, you hear the flip-flop tonight. This is actually pretty stunning and we have the tape for you.
Plus, breaking news, ObamaCare premiums about to skyrocket. How bad is the timing for Hillary Clinton?
And Elizabeth Warren on the trail turning Trump words into her own rallying cry.
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SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D), MASSACHUSETTS: We nasty women are going to march our nasty feet to cast our nasty votes to get you out of our lives forever.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
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[19:17:24] BURNETT: And you're looking at live pictures right now out of Dayton. Vice President Joe Biden about to headline a rally for Hillary Clinton in the swing state of Ohio, not the only heavy hitter out on the campaign trail today. Clinton turning to the popular liberal Senator Elizabeth Warren who true to form slammed Trump in a rather nasty fashion.
Phil Mattingly is OUTFRONT.
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PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A Democratic tag team made up exclusively of women targeting Donald Trump.
WARREN: He thinks that because he has a mouth full of tic tacs that he can force himself on any woman within groping distance.
(AUDIENCE BOOING)
Well, I got news for you, Donald Trump. Women have had it with guys like you.
MATTINGLY: And any GOP candidate tied to him.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Unlike her opponent, she has never been afraid to stand up to Donald Trump. I hope in these next 14 days, you do everything you can to support her.
MATTINGLY: Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren together on the campaign trail in New Hampshire, seeking to boost Democratic Senate candidate Maggie Hassan, and hoping to turn Trump's sagging poll numbers into opportunity in battleground Senate races across the country.
CLINTON: This is someone who routes for failure and takes glee in mocking our country no matter who our president is. Now, that may be who Donald Trump is, but this election is about who we are.
MATTINGLY: Relying heavily on pushing Trump's negatives to energize granite state voters against Trump helped Hassan and other down-ballot Democrats get to Washington.
WARREN: Get this, Donald, nasty women are tough. Nasty women are smart. And nasty women vote.
MATTINGLY: New Hampshire just the latest stop in a series of strategic events designed by Clinton and her team to provide a boost in early voting states. Clinton advisers making clear to CNN that they believe they are firmly in control of the race. And they're starting to plan for what comes next. That includes finalizing would- be White House senior advisers, working through potential cabinet prospects and quiet outreach to Capitol Hill allies including Republicans, aides say. Still, for Clinton, herself, even as she clearly looks past Trump, trying to keep her eye on the ball.
CLINTON: We got a transition operation going, and I haven't really paid much attention to it yet because I want to focus on what our first task is and that is convincing as many Americans as possible to give us the chance to serve.
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MATTINGLY: And Erin, I want to underscore this shift that we've seen out of the Clinton campaign. And the importance of it. For much of the general election, you've seen Hillary Clinton try and disassociate Donald Trump from the rest of the Republican Party. Now that frustrated a lot of down-ballot Democrats who were looking for help, wanted the Clinton campaign to tie Trump to their opponents. That's exactly what we're seeing right now and that is exactly why this has become a crucial moment not just for Hillary Clinton but as you noted with Joe Biden in Ohio, Michelle Obama out on the trail, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders. Now all of those surrogates from the top down are also following suit in helping these Senate candidates. This could be crucial in all of those battleground contests -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Phil.
And OUTFRONT now, senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny joins Kayleigh, Karine and Dana. So, Jeff, look, she's a polarizing figure.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Sure.
BURNETT: You could use even stronger words in that. They love her or they loathe her, right? Is it possible she could hurt Clinton with the very Independents that she needs?
ZELENY: In New Hampshire I don't think so. That's where the setting was today.
BURNETT: Right.
ZELENY: She's from Massachusetts, so many New Hampshire voters are of Massachusetts. They work there or they have moved from there. So I think first and foremost, I asked a Clinton adviser that, because when you listen to that speech, you sort of wonder, she needs to shore up liberals still in New Hampshire. If she's going to win New Hampshire which is part of her math to 270, part of the Clinton math to 270, she needs to get liberals who liked Bernie Sanders. So, yes, you might lose a few Independents but the liberals are important. But I do not expect her to be with Senator Warren in Ohio again or other places in the country. But in New Hampshire I think it's worth it for the liberals.
BURNETT: Okay. So let's get to the nasty heart of this, Kayleigh. Let me play a little bit more of what Elizabeth Warren had to say about Donald Trump because the nasty you just heard there wasn't the full nasty. Here we go.
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MCENANY: The full nasty.
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WARREN: Get this, Donald. Nasty women are tough. Nasty women are smart. And nasty women vote. And on November 8th, we nasty women are going to march our nasty feet to cast our nasty votes to get you out of our lives forever.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[19:22:23] BURNETT: Counting the applause in the full exchange, there were seven "nasties" in 40 seconds. Effective?
MCENANY: No. I don't think that does much to Millennials. I think the whole argument of when they go low, we go high, is mis-served or underserved by having Senator Warren on the stage who's called Donald Trump a thin-skinned racist. I think Hillary Clinton's trying to prosecute a temperament argument. It's hard to do that standing next to someone as intemperate as Elizabeth Warren. I don't think that's effective. I don't think much of anyone who watches that, certainly Independent voters, find that appealing standing by an ultra-leftist saying the word "nasty" seven times in 38 seconds.
BURNETT: She could have done that. But quite that many. But yes, the point absolutely is -- this comes on a day, Karine, though, something that does matter to people on the left because they care about it and they like it, ObamaCare, they're about to get slammed. We've heard it on the state-by-state level. Now it's going to be 22 percent overall in this country, premiums are going to surge by. That is bad for the base. It's also bad for Independents who may not like ObamaCare. Hillary has said again and again and again that it is part of her legacy, too. Here she is.
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CLINTON: I am a staunch supporter, of President Obama's principle accomplishment, namely the Affordable Care Act.
It's one of the great accomplishments not only of this president but of the Democratic Party going back to Harry Truman.
You know, before there was what called ObamaCare, there was what was called HillaryCare.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
How much is this going to hurt her? I mean, 22 percent surge in premiums. That's a failure.
JEAN-PIERRE: Well, here's the thing. Since ObamaCare, 10 million more people have gotten health care since, 10 million more people since before Obama has gotten health care. Twenty million people in total. So it has helped tens of millions of people. I think, look, both Hillary Clinton and the President have said that ObamaCare definitely needs to be, you know, kind of tweaked, right? And this is part of, I think the tweaking that needs to be done. But the things that we've been hearing from Donald Trump and the other side of the aisle is to completely get rid of ObamaCare, which doesn't help, especially those tens of millions of people.
BURNETT: And before we go, Dana, one other thing I want to fit in here, we're talking about the value of the surrogates, like Elizabeth Warren was talking about on the trail. Joe Biden is out again on the trail, effective, he is going to be speaking in a couple of moments. But doing something, if Donald Trump did it, he would be being slaughtered for. Here's Joe Biden doubling down on a fight with Donald Trump.
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VICE PRES. JOE BIDEN (D), UNITED STATES: I'll get myself in trouble and say something like I'd like to take him behind the gym if I were in high school. I mean, all kidding aside, wouldn't you? I mean, for real. I am not in high school. If I were in high school. I used to be -- I used to have a temper -- I don't have a temper anymore. I don't ever -- nothing ever bothers me. Look, folks. No.
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BASH: Whenever he's going to say something he knows that he's going to get in trouble for, he says this is going to get me in trouble. So, he's almost giving a roadmap to everybody to look at. You're right, that if Donald Trump said that or any of his surrogates said that, we would be all --
BURNETT: Doing this with his fists.
BASH: Yes. All going crazy on him saying that's not appropriate, you're inciting violence. Because it's Uncle Joe Biden people say, a ha ha, that's funny, and he was doing it with a wink and a nod and he was sort of laughing about it. But I think the fact that you played it is important to show that, you know what, there shouldn't be a double standard and there isn't.
BURNETT: All right. Thanks very much to all.
Next, Donald Trump on tape flip-flopping on his signature issue. An advice from Donald Trump supporters to the Republican nominee.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stick to the issues mainly. I mean, I feel that we would gain more people -- he's already got us. We're not going anywhere.
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[19:30:01] BURNETT: Breaking news, Donald Trump speaking right now in the battleground state of Florida. Immigration, a topic tonight likely. Trump launching his campaign with a hard-line stance on immigration, right, who could forget that. But a new video tonight from our own file shows that just fours ago, Trump had a dramatically different view on this crucial issue.
Kyung Lah is OUTFRONT.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have some bad hombres here, and we're going to get them out.
KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants starting with the criminals, Donald Trump's central and defining issue in his campaign.
TRUMP: Build that wall, build that wall, build that wall.
LAH: The rallying cry at this events from the moment he kicked off his campaign with these words.
TRUMP: They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists.
LAH: But just four years ago, CNN's KFILE found that Trump actually said he didn't believe in deportation. June 2012, Donald Trump called into CNBC's "Squawk Box."
TRUMP: But you have people in this country for 20 years, they've done a great job, they've done wonderfully, they've gone to school, they've gotten good marks. They're productive. Now, we're supposed to send them out of the country? I don't believe in that, Michelle, and you understand that. I don't believe in a lot of things that are being said.
LAH: Trump was reacting as a businessman to the Supreme Court ruling the day before, striking down key parts of Arizona's tough immigration law.
TRUMP: The problem with the ruling yesterday is nobody knows what it means, nobody knows what effect it's going to have, and it could have a very, very seriously negative impact on everything. It's total confusion. And what it will do is tremendous amounts of discrimination. Lawsuits will be brought in the courts.
LAH: What a difference four year makes.
TRUMP: Let me tell you, I'm going to force them right back into their country. They're murderers and some very bad people.
We have at least 11 million people in this country that came in illegally. They will go out.
You're going to have a deportation force and you're going to do it humanely.
LAH: Trump has been vague about how he'll handle undocumented immigrants living peacefully in the U.S. but remains clear about one thing, he'd still deport them.
TRUMP: For those here illegally today who are seeking legal status, they will have one route and one route only. To return home and apply for re-entry like everybody else under the rules of the new legal immigration system.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
LAH: Now, CNN has reached out to the Trump campaign. We have not gotten a response yet.
Trump has flipped on a couple of issues. Gun control, nuclear proliferation, as well as abortion, but this issue, Erin, the one of immigration, so important, so critical, because it is such a central theme of his campaign -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Kyung, thank you.
And now, Keith Boykin, former Clinton White House aide, Hillary Clinton supporter and Corey Lewandowski, the former campaign manager for Donald Trump.
Corey, immigration is core to Trump's campaign, right? There's no disputing that. And yet here he is four years ago, drastically different view. How can his voters, his core voters who support him because of the wall, because he is going to put these 11 million people out of the country before they can come back in, how can they trust he won't go back on his word again?
COREY LEWANDOWSKI, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, let's look at the issue, right? So, this was at -- these comments were made prior to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton pushing amnesty with a bunch of establishment Republicans, which the CBO determined that wouldn't stop what the problem is. So, what he's had the opportunity to do on the campaign trail moving forward is meeting with families of the Remembrance Project of which Hillary Clinton didn't respond to the invitation to meet with. These are individual and families, family members killed by illegal aliens.
What we know, CNN's own reporting, 121 individuals who were previously in captivity, illegal aliens have gone on to murder people -- 121 people, illegal aliens who were released from prison, went on to murder people. Seventy-three thousand six hundred and sixty-five illegals right now occupy our prisons. What he knows is they don't belong here. Let's get rid of these guys.
BURNETT: You're saying --
(CROSSTALK) KEITH BOYKIN, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: He didn't answer the question, Erin.
LEWANDOWSKI: Hillary Clinton, let's talk about the changes she's made. The Iraq switch --
(CROSSTALK) BOYKIN: He didn't answer your question, in. Your question was how can we trust that Donald Trump really believes in what he says? Everything that Corey just said gives you no answer to that question. He gave you a litany of explanations that Donald Trump would give to his core supporters.
But the reality is we don't really know what Donald Trump stands on anything because Donald Trump is a political opportunist.
BURNETT: Which Donald Trump do you believe? The Trump who said it's inhumane, you're going to get sued if you kick these people out of the country or Donald Trump who says some of them are bad hombres, get them out?
BOYKIN: I don't know if we can believe Donald Trump when we talks about a Muslim ban one he's not going to ban all Muslims and denies he says it. I don't know if we believe the Donald Trump who says President Obama wasn't born in America, and then a few years later says that he was. I don't know if we believe the Donald Trump who was in favor of pro-choice, pro-abortion candidate, or the Donald Trump who's against abortion. I don't know where Donald Trump stands on any issues, except for he believes in Donald Trump.
[19:35:02] He's a political opportunist.
LEWANDOWSKI: Hillary Clinton says exactly the same thing. She was for TPP, now she's opposed to it. She was never for open borders, all of a sudden, we see the WikiLeaks come out, guess what? Oh, I am for open borders.
Guess what? Hillary Clinton had information leading to the Iraq war, as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, classified information and she's for it.
BURNETT: Let me talk about TPP, you keep bringing it up. Your candidate has had issues with trade, OK? She has completely flip- flopped. Secretary of state, she called the Trans Pacific Partnership the gold standard of trade deals. She did say that.
Then, she's obviously opposed it. Now she's running for president. How is that any different from Trump saying it's inhumane to come out four years and now, get them the hell out?
BOYKIN: Well, yes, I'm not saying candidates don't change their positions, but what Donald Trump has done and Hillary Clinton clearly has changed her position by that.
BURNETT: How is that any different? His is just a change of position.
BOYKIN: Oh, yes, it's not just a change of position. This is the core of his campaign. When he started this campaign, when he came down an escalator, what was the first thing he said? He talked about Mexico, they were sending in their rapists and drug dealers and criminals. They were not good people. Some he said might be good people. This is not the core of Hillary Clinton's campaign nobody would think
that Hillary Clinton is running her campaign on trade. That's what Bernie Sanders is running about --
LEWANDOWSKI: She has a private persona and a public persona.
BOYKIN: Nice pivot, Corey. Nice pivot. You still haven't answered the question.
LEWANDOWSKI: She said that Wall Street is the best to regulate Wall Street, and the only reason we have that is because WikiLeaks has discovered it. What we know is there's a public Hillary Clinton and there's a private Hillary Clinton. What we found out from the private Hillary Clinton, she's for open borders and amnesty, which for 18 months, she said she was not for.
BURNETT: Is that worse than two public Donald Trumps contradicting themselves?
BOYKIN: On the core issue of his campaign.
LEWANDOWSKI: What you get with Donald Trump is the truth right to the people, right? And with Hillary Clinton is lying to one group. She says one thing to the politically motivated and then she gets to the American people and says, well, I never said that.
For 18 months, she has said she was not for open borders, until it was released she said she was for open borders. Now, all of a sudden, I guess I did say that.
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BURNETT: He just changed his mind? Did he decide, hey, there's a group voters who are going to like this --
BOYKIN: He's a hypocrite.
LEWANDOWSKI: Hillary Clinton had classified information going into voting for the Iraq war.
BOYKIN: No, come on.
LEWANDOWSKI: She had classified information. She was on the Senate Armed Services Committee. She voted for it. Now she's saying, well, I don't know, I'm going to change my position.
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BOYKIN: Donald Trump has lied on both sides of the issue -- the problem with this issue and the problem with Corey's pivot, Donald Trump has been every side of every issue. The only issue I think Donald Trump has been consistent on over the years has been the issue of trade. But when you come to immigration, I thought it was the core tissue of his campaign. But here we now have irrefutable evidence that just four years ago, Donald Trump was saying the exact opposite of what he's saying right now. That's the core of his campaign. (CROSSTALK)
BURNETT: We'll leave it here.
BOYKIN: His followers got suckered.
BURNETT: We'll leave it here.
And maybe they feel that way. Of course, independents may like the four-year-old Donald Trump they're hearing. I don't know. We'll see.
Thanks very much to both.
Next, Trump supporters standing by their candidate's denial that he sexually assaulted women today.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why didn't they come out 30 years ago when he was worth billions there and sue him for $1 million? I would have.
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BURNETT: And Jeanne Moos on how the Clinton campaign is taking Trump's "nasty woman" label to heart.
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BURNETT: Breaking news: you're looking at live pictures tonight of Donald Trump in Florida. Trump touting it as one of his biggest rallies with close to 20,000 people there tonight, as polls show Clinton and Trump neck and neck in Florida, where as of tonight, early voting is already under way.
Boris Sanchez is OUTFRONT.
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CINDI GORDON, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: They have a problem with it, they should have done it a long time ago. It's bull.
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Trump supporters in St. Augustine, Florida, slamming the women accusing Donald Trump of sexual assault and standing by the Republican nominee's threats to sue all of the women who've come forward.
JOHN RYBACKI, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: He'll probably sue them for more than what Hillary's paid them to say that.
SANCHEZ: These loyal supporters echoing their candidate's denial in Gettysburg this weekend.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The events never happened. Never. All of these liars will be sued after the election is over.
SANCHEZ: That speech was billed as his closing argument and preview of the first 100 days of a Trump administration. It was not supposed to be about allegations of his sexual misconduct -- a fact that his supporters don't seem to mind.
WILL NEIMAN, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Why didn't they come out 30 years ago when he was worth billions there and sue him for $1 million? I would have. I would have -- you know, if he had grabbed me, I'd been like, how much are you worth?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Come on, America. Wake up.
SANCHEZ: It's not just the accusers that many Trump supporters are skeptical of. It's also recent polls showing the Republican trailing Hillary Clinton.
ELAINE KELLER, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: And it's time for the biased media to start reporting the news and stop deciding who they want for president.
NEIMAN: The media is biased against him. The Republican Party is biased against him. Hell, everybody but his supporters are biased against him.
SANCHEZ: Trump called the polls phony, insisting he is winning. But even some his own supporters believe he needs to refocus his message to win undecided voters.
HUDSON CRUZ, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Stick to the issues mainly. I mean, I feel that we would gain more people -- he's already got us. We're not going anywhere. I mean, we know what this next administration means.
SANCHEZ: But to some, the possibility of a Hillary Clinton administration is simply unacceptable.
JOE WHIPPEN, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: When you have the press, when you have three branches of government against this man, this tells me something, that this is time. This is revolutionary time in this country. We can do this to the ballot box this time, or trust me, it may get to be the bullet box the next time.
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SANCHEZ: Now, Erin, that's just a taste of some of the distrust and animosity that we heard from Trump supporters here in St. Augustine today. It's rhetoric that in the past, the Clinton campaign has called flat-out dangerous. In terms of early voting that you mentioned, started today here in the Sunshine State, more than 50 counties opened their polling places for in-person early voting. Important to point out, mail-in early voting began weeks ago. More than 1.2 million ballots had already been cast -- Erin.
[19:45:02] BURNETT: All right. Boris, thank you very much. Very stunning, the man you heard there, revolutionary times. Maybe the ballot box this time, but the bullet box next.
Well, next on this show, the Trump and Clinton camps finally agreeing on something. A major media deal that could impact you. AT&T buying CNN's parent, Time Warner.
And Jeanne Moos on turning a debate line into big bucks.
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BURNETT: Breaking news tonight, AT&T's blockbuster plan to buy Time Warner, CNN's parent, is facing new scrutiny tonight. Senate Republicans just announced they will hold a hearing on the $85 billion proposed deal that would create one of the biggest media corporations in the world. The Trump and Clinton campaigns also skeptical of the deal.
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BURNETT: And OUTFRONT tonight, AT&T chairman and CEO, Randall Stephenson, and Jeff Bewkes, Time Warner's chairman and CEO.
Thanks to both.
JEFF BEWKES, TIME WARNER CHAIRMAN AND CEO: Good to be here.
BURNETT: Now, I know you all a few months ago sat down and had lunch together. It was talking about the business, the state of the world and then here we are. It happened very, very quickly.
What happened at that lunch?
BEWKES: Well, we realized that what was -- where both of our company, both our industries, really, were going. Distribution and TV and movies were coming together. We thought we could do a better product for consumers, better choice, better packages, lower prices. More interesting ads, not as much of it. And have, therefore, a new thing for everybody and everybody can be in it -- every cable company, every telco, every network company.
[19:50:03] BURNETT: So, Randall, it sounds like little nirvana he's pitching here. I mean, you've got a fight in front of you, all right? Just today one top analyst put the chances of the deal getting the nod from regulators at 50/50. "The New York Times" front page headline was "Opposition Immediate and Wide to Resurrection of AT&T Giant." Graphics showing the history of AT&T are too complex to even show.
Why is this fight worth it to you?
RANDALL STEPHENSON, AT&T CEO: I think it's -- I don't know that it's a fight. We haven't even gotten to a fight yet. I think we're in a process, we haven't even filed with the federal agencies yet on the deal. And what happens in these things is we'll do our filing, we'll put out our public interest statement and then there will be a full vetting of this deal.
What I -- the way we assess this thing is this is a vertical integration. And people talk about this has a low chance of being approved. It would be the first vertical integration of any magnitude that's ever been killed by the U.S. government.
BURNETT: Meaning you're not buying a competitor, you're not taking a competitor out.
STEPHENSON: There's no competitor taken out of the market. We're a broadband and mobile company. Time Warner, last time we checked, through due diligence, we saw none of that in Time Warner. Time Warner is a media company. We have no media.
So, it's not like you're having media consolidation or broadband consolidation. There's none of that. This is a company who's a supplier to the other company combining with it and generally what you see in vertical integrations, invariably, faster innovation, faster coordination, new product introduction, lower prices.
And so, we're confident that when the facts get put in on this case, that's exactly what will be displayed and I -- we're not naive to think that this will not be a rigorous process. It will be a rigorous review, fully expected.
BURNETT: Right.
STEPHENSON: And to the extent that our regulators have concerns with these deal, those are remedies with conditions. We anticipate there will be some conditions. I don't know what they'll be.
BURNETT: Right.
STEPHENSON: We're prepared to go down that path.
BURNETT: So I'm curious, when you say you're not buying a competitor -- when you're buying a competitor in a sense, it makes sense, right? You know the business, you know how you can save money. When you're buying someone who isn't a competitor, one of the reasons it would make sense, and this is some of the criticism you're getting, it makes sense for you, you'll be able to charge higher prices, right? You'll be payable to do something -- so explain why that's wrong. Why is that thinking wrong?
BEWKES: Well, we're actually combing with one of the major suppliers in our supply chain. Think about it that way. The only thing that results in higher prices generally is if you take competitors out of the marketplace. There are no competitors leaving the marketplace.
I'm not sure how AT&T can begin to charge more for mobility because we now have Time Warner under our umbrella. That doesn't make sense to any.
BURNETT: So, "Game of Thrones," "Harry Potter," all these things you have. So, what's the innovation that suddenly changes here?
BEWKES: So, five, six years ago, we came out at Time Warner and we made all our networks on demand, TNT, CNN, HBO -- HBO even before that. And it took the industry, because it was, we didn't own the cable companies or anything like that, it took them the last five, six years to basically offer that. If you're at home listening to this, you ought to be able -- you can go to your Time Warner networks and get them on demand, whatever's on those channels. But you can't go to these other channels and do that. BURNETT: So, it is the front-page news around the world, right,
people are talking about the challenges perhaps from a regulatory standpoint. Trump and Clinton, both the campaigns weighed in already on this. And Trump, early as Saturday at a rally. Here they are.
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TRUMP: AT&T is buying Time Warner, and thus CNN, a deal we will not approve in my administration because it's too much concentration of power in the hands of too few.
SEN. TIM KAINE (D), VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Less concentration, I think, especially in the media.
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BURNETT: Does this worry you, whoever wins?
STEPHENSON: I would just point out that there were the words "concentration," concentration of media. The day after this closes, the media is no more concentrated than it is today.
BURNETT: So when Bernie Sanders says he wants to kill the deal, Hillary Clinton, herself, has not directly said anything, but when he says that, you're not concerned even in a Clinton administration that she'd be under pressure from the left wing of her party?
BEWKES: I don't think so because they don't really know what it is, and they ought to see that, and as Randall says, when they see it, they're going to see that it increases competition. This is not legacy company is going to get -- this is essentially a disrupter trying to bring more competition and more choice for people that don't just want to have one or two cable or other local choices. They also want a third or fourth choice of their subscription package. They want more packages including cheaper ones.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you, both, very much. I appreciate it.
STEPHENSON: Thank you, Erin.
BEWKES: Thanks for having us, Erin.
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BURNETT: And OUTFRONT next, Jeanne Moos on nasty women and big bucks.
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[19:58:27] BURNETT: Donald Trump calls Hillary Clinton a nasty woman. She takes it to the bank. Here's Jeanne moos.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Four little words --
TRUMP: Such a nasty woman. MOOS: -- thrown back into Donald Trump's face.
SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D), MASSACHUSETTS: Get this, Donald -- nasty women are tough.
MOOS: Hillary supporters put on their nasty t-shirts.
WARREN: Nasty women are smart.
MOOS: They put on their "Make America Nasty Again" hats.
WARREN: And nasty women vote.
MOOS: No wonder Hillary's laughing. First there were the remixes.
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MOOS: Then there were the jokes.
STEPHEN COLBERT, COMEDIAN: Oh, yeah, so nasty. Also, quick reminder, no one respects women more than me.
MOOS: And then came the merchandise from the "such a nasty woman" throw pillow to the "I'm with the nasty woman" t-shirt.
"SNL" made this joke.
KATE MCKINNON AS HILLARY CLINTON: Go to HillaryClinton.com and buy a limited edition nasty woman mug.
MOOS: Soon, someone was selling a copy of the "SNL" mug on Etsy. Singer Katy Perry campaigned for Hillary in a nasty woman t-shirt bought at this website. Its creator had it online before the debate even ended. She sold 10,000 items.
WARREN: We nasty women are going to march our nasty feet.
MOOS: We saw no nasty slippers, but there is nasty woman perfume. Hillary fans can carry their nasty stuff in this nasty is the new black tote.
Jeanne Moos --
TRUMP: Such a nasty woman.
MOOS: -- CNN --
ALEC BALDWIN AS DONALD TRUMP: Such a nasty woman.
MOOS: -- New York.
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BURNETT: And thanks for joining us.
"AC360" starts now.
