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Harris Making Final Address in Washington; Trump Back in Pennsylvania; Harris and Trump Targets Battlegrounds; Republican's Big Money TV Advertising Push; Lebanon Reports Highest Daily Death Toll; Hezbollah Names Naim Qassem as New Leader; Israel Bans UNRWA in Israel; Northern Gaza Airstrike Kills at least 93; N. Korean Troops Inside Ukraine; Bezos Defending His Decision; Washington Post Facing Backlash; Taiwan Braces for Storm; SoftBank CEO Says Future of A.I. is Much Bigger Than Current Market Valuations Suggest; Cubans Without Clean Water; Dodgers Just One Win Away from World Series. Aired 6-7p ET

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JULIA CHATTERLEY, CNN ANCHOR, "First Move": It's 6:00 a.m. in Taipei, 7:00 a.m. in Seoul, and 6:00 p.m. here in New York. I'm Julia Chatterley. And

wherever you are in the world, this is your "First Move."

And a warm welcome to "First Move." As always, here's today's need to know. Campaign Countdown. Kamala Harris making her final major address in

Washington. While Trump's back in Pennsylvania, seven days out from the U.S. election. Bezos backlash, the owner of The Washington Post defends its

decision not to endorse a presidential candidate. Soldiers swindle. Kim Jong Un, keeping North Koreans in the dark over his decision to send troops

to Russia, according to the South. And Dodger's Delight. Shohei Ohtani now just one win away from a World Series sweep against the New York Yankees.

All that and plenty more coming up.

But first, U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris is about to make a major speech in Washington, D.C. as the race for the presidency reaches its final

days. The event set to take place at the Ellipse, the same location, incidentally, where Donald Trump rallied his supporters before the Capitol

insurrection. Harris is expected to contrast their two visions. A preview of her address has the VP saying she will welcome disagreement.

Trump, meanwhile, appearing in Pennsylvania, which, by the way, has a significant number of residents from Puerto Rico. Trump telling the crowd

that no president has done more for the territory than he has. That's following controversial comments, of course, from a comedian at the Trump

rally earlier in the week -- or at the weekend, comparing Puerto Rico to garbage.

For more on all of this, we're joined by Stephen Collinson. Stephen, always great to have you on the show. Headline from your op-ed this week, "Trump

Unveils the Most Extreme Closing Argument in Modern Presidential History." Back to October 21st, your headline, "Trump's Wild and Lewd Rhetoric

Reaches a New Extreme." Back two weeks, "Trump's Extreme Vision for America Hikes Pressure on Harris."

The story hasn't changed. For me, the question is that hiking of the pressure and her ability to make outreach to those that have perhaps turned

off to Trump succeeding? Because she's going to send that message again tonight.

STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN POLITICS SENIOR REPORTER: Yes, and that shot you just put up of the stage for this event is eerily familiar, because it's

exactly the same shot with the blue stage, the American flags, the backdrop of the White House behind them, that reminds us all of where Trump was

standing on January 6, 2021.

I think what the Vice President is trying to do here is not just remind Americans about what happened then, she's trying to say that if you elect

Trump next week, you're going to get more of the same. That is the emblem of what his presidency was like. Whereas, she will argue that instead of

having enemies lists and being consumed by revenge, as she will describe Trump, she will actually get to work for the things Americans want to get

fixed, like high grocery prices, the prohibitive cost of rent and mortgages, expanding health care, et cetera.

You know, fear is a staple of the end of American elections. Bush used it against Kerry in 2004. Obama used it against Romney, his opponent in 2012.

So, it's not surprising they're going with this hard-line message. The question I have is, if it hasn't worked before, if -- you know, it's not a

surprise to most Americans what Trump is like, is it going to really be the decisive issue at the end of this election?

CHATTERLEY: I mean, fear is OK, as a tool in a campaign. The question is, are you presenting a vision that you're a viable alternative irrespective

of what you say they represent and will represent for the next four years? Even just the latest CNN polls, I mean, we're taking, what, Arizona now and

Nevada, again, two swing states has them absolutely neck and neck. Harris, 48 percent support among likely voters, Arizona. He's at 47. It's flipped

when you look at the Nevada numbers.

Do you believe it's this close, Stephen, or are we -- and should we take these polls with it, enough of a pinch of salt?

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COLLINSON: I mean, I think it's very difficult for pollsters to actually forecast what exactly the electorate will look like after such a tumultuous

election. But putting that aside, in those two polls as well, Trump was seen as the candidate who is most qualified to enact change, and that is a

big problem for Harris given that she is an incumbent in a very unpopular administration.

You know, in one of our colleague's stories today on cnn.com, Matt Egan, he had this really interesting statistic, and he wrote that, the cost for the

average American family of the same package of goods and services now as it compared to four years ago when Biden took office, it's 1,100 bucks more

expensive now.

So, I think, with that in mind and watching Harris today and the comparison she's trying to make, that's the election right there. Do Americans want to

take the risk of Trump, who they think will make them better off and fix some of their problems at everything that comes with Trump, or do they just

decide that it's all too exhausting? Four more years of having Trump back and everything that brings. The insults and the chaos we saw at that rally

the other night, you know, do they decide, you know what, we might not think Harris can affect change but we don't want what we had until four

years ago?

CHATTERLEY: Yes. I mean, I guess the argument could also be made that we wouldn't have known about those insults had there not been widespread

coverage of it, but that's a moot point. Set aside the politics of fear, how about the politics of putting food on the table? And I think that's the

takeaway point from this, Stephen, as you quite rightly made it. Stephen Collinson, always great to have you on the show, sir. Thank you.

COLLINSON: Thanks.

CHATTERLEY: New CNN analysis of television campaign advertising reports that Republicans are poised to spend more in these final days before

November 5th. In the three months, though, since Kamala Harris launched her campaign, Democrats buoyed by record setting financial support have

actually outspent Republicans by wide margins in the key swing states.

Just to give you a sense, the 2024 U.S. presidential election is expected to be the most expensive ever, with one estimate placing the final cost of

political ad spending at nearly $11 billion. Yes, you heard me right.

And right now, battleground Pennsylvania is the leading target for both sides in spending. The second ranked state, though, is Michigan, where

Harris and her allies have outspent Republicans by nearly $58 million dollars.

And joining us now from the battleground State of Michigan is the politics editor of the Detroit Free Press, Emily Lawler. Emily, great to have you on

the show. I just want to get a sense of how all that ad campaigning spend feels when you're living in a state. What's it been like for the last

couple of months?

EMILY LAWLER, POLITICS EDITOR, DETROIT FREE PRESS: So, certainly, people are getting inundated, not only with what you'd think of in terms of TV

advertisements, mailers turning up in your mailbox, but also the texts this cycle are just pretty intense.

So, you know, if you're a Michigan voter, you might be getting 5, 10, 15, 20 texts a day from numbers that you don't know, who don't show up in your

phone, from different interest groups, not necessarily the campaigns themselves, but packs and other groups supporting them, urging you to

either register to vote, get your absentee ballot, vote early, or vote a certain way.

CHATTERLEY: I think there will be people listening to that thinking that sounds completely exhausting. How does that compare to the level of, let's

call it, bombardment that people received in 2020 and in 2016? Can you give us any sense of relative comparison and what are people saying about that?

LAWLER: Yes, I would say definitely more than in 2020. You know, particularly just the visible signs. If you drive down a highway right now,

a lot of billboards that you see are about the presidential campaign. And, you know, in addition to all the other contact methods I just mentioned, I

really do think people are getting a certain amount of fatigue from all this bombardment of advertisement, especially because for the first time in

a presidential cycle, we have early voting and a lot of people have already cast their ballots or they voted absentee.

I think, you know, more than a million people in Michigan have already voted and I think they deserve some sort of an escape clause from all this

targeted messaging.

CHATTERLEY: Yes, stop after every text message. Just don't send any more. But your point is very interesting one, which is the more people vote early

than the less people there are to convince in these final days. I know it's difficult, but we are still trying to gauge and obviously, it's very

anecdotal, whose support is underestimated and whether we can look at the polling and suggest that it's as close really as the numbers suggest.

Emily, what do you feel from talking to people?

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LAWLER: Yes, it really seems like, you know, Trump supporters are not confident yet that Trump will win. Harris supporters are not confident yet

that Harris will win. I think that reporters are on edge as much as the general public here in terms of what.

But, you know, on the ground, it doesn't feel like anybody thinks this is a foregone conclusion. It feels like both sides are kind of fighting from

this underdog position and working as hard as they can in these final days.

CHATTERLEY: Yes, it's peak uncertainty, to your point. I think it's fair to say no one knows. Emily, great to have you with us. We're almost there.

Just a few more days. Hang in there. Emily Lawler, great to have you.

LAWLER: Thanks for having me.

CHATTERLEY: Thank you. All right. In the Middle East now, Israel continuing military operations in both Lebanon and Gaza. This video shows

the aftermath of Israeli strikes that hit several cities in Eastern Lebanon on Monday night. The Lebanese health ministry says 82 people were killed.

The strikes are among the most deadly since the Israel-Hezbollah conflict escalated last month.

Today, Hezbollah has named Naim Qassem as its new leader after Israel killed Hassan Nasrallah.

Meanwhile, a host of nations have now also criticized the move by the Israeli parliament to ban the U.N. aid agency, UNRWA, from operating in

Israel. Experts warn the ban will restrict UNRWA's humanitarian work in Gaza.

Well, hospital director in Northern Gaza is describing a catastrophic situation after an Israeli airstrike killed more than 90 Palestinians.

Jeremy Diamond has more and a warning, the video in his report is disturbing.

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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT (through translator): These men aren't looking for survivors. Amid the rubble of another Israeli

airstrike, they are here for the bodies. After all, how could anyone survive destruction on this scale?

More than 90 people were killed in this Israeli strike in Northern Gaza early Tuesday morning, including 25 children, according to the Palestinian

ministry of health. An Israeli military spokesman said the military was targeting a suspected terrorist in the area and did not intend to collapse

the building.

But the bodies have not yet all been counted, as this man can attest.

Here's a body, and here's another, and another, he says, pointing out their locations. And then there are the bodies of this boy's uncle and cousin,

wedged between two thick slabs of concrete. A pair of feet is all that is visible.

Gaza's rescue workers cannot reach this part of Northern Gaza, which has been besieged by the Israeli military for nearly a month. That means no

heavy machinery, just bare hands sifting through the rubble.

Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya (ph) is one of just two doctors here and he's growing desperate, calling for a humanitarian corridor to bring surgical teams to

his hospital.

There are children with bones protruding from their bodies needing orthopedic surgery. There are brain injuries that require neurosurgeons, he

says.

But Israel's parliament may make matters worse. In an overwhelming vote, Israeli lawmakers moved to ban UNRWA, the main U.N. agency aiding

Palestinians, from operating in Israel or engaging with Israeli officials.

Israel accuses UNRWA of ties to Hamas, after linking a handful of its thousands of employees to the October 7th attacks, a blanket charge UNRWA

vehemently denies. It's a move the U.S. says could not come at a worse time.

MATTHEW MILLER, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESPERSON: There's nobody that can replace them right now in the middle of the crisis. So, we continue to

urge the government of Israel to pause the implementation of this legislation.

DIAMOND (voice-over): In Gaza, that urgency is all too real. If UNRWA is gone, who is going to feed us? Who will provide us security, this young man

asks, who is going to take us in?

Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Jerusalem.

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CHATTERLEY: U.S. President Joe Biden says he's concerned about the presence of North Korean fighters in Russia. It comes as both the Pentagon

and NATO say roughly 10,000 troops have joined Russia's war effort. Some already appear to be inside Ukraine, according to two western intelligence

officials.

Meanwhile, South Korean lawmakers say families of the soldiers have been left in the dark and suggest that the move has been unpopular inside North

Korea.

Mike Valerio joins us now from Seoul. Mike, there's two things there. That goes further than certainly NATO was suggesting that North Korean troops

may already be inside Ukraine, but the suggestion too that the North Koreans are perhaps trying to mask what's taking place from their own

people, quite fascinating too.

MIKE VALERIO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, Julia. That was, I think, certainly the most striking piece of intelligence that has come out that

North Korea is trying to dissemble what is going on here.

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Now, to set the table of what we're going to talk about. You know, a couple hours ago, Julia, we had a briefing here in Seoul from South Korea's spy

agency. So, they briefed lawmakers. Two of those lawmakers come out and say, you know, when we're thinking about this synergy between Russia and

North Korean troops, we've always been wondering how is that synergy going to work? And the top line from South Korea's spy agency is that it's not

really working out very well, at least at this point.

So, talking about what we know, according to the spy agency and these lawmakers, to your point, Julia, North Korea is telling at least some

family members of these troops that the troops are participating in a, quote/unquote, "military exercise," not saying that these troops are going

to Russia or ultimately going to Ukraine, and that apparently, according to the spy agency here in Seoul, has caused episodes of unrest in North Korea,

which, of course, is so remarkable to hear, considering that Kim Jong Un tolerates no dissent against the regime.

No phone communication is apparently allowed for North Korean officers who are going to the frontlines of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. And

when we're talking about how communication is going on a micro level, apparently that is not going so well either. South Korean intelligence

saying that North Korean troops are being instructed in give or take about a hundred key words and phrases in Russian like open fire or get in

position. And this Duolingo language lesson on the battlefield, so to speak, it's not going so great. There have been reports that communication

is faltering between Russian and North Korean troops.

Now, earlier, South Korea's president spoke broadly on this subject. Listen to what he told us.

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YOON SUK YEOL, SOUTH KOREAN PRESIDENT (through translator): This illegal military cooperation between Russia and North Korea is a significant

security threat to the International Community and could pose a serious risk to our national security.

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VALERIO: So, when he's talking about why this poses a risk to South Korean national security, the thinking is, Julia, when we talk to analysts and

North Korea watchers, that this is a fighting force that has been contained to the hermit nation for decades.

So, when you send troops out to the battlefield, and if they survive and come back to North Korea, that could give them new modern warfare

experience that they never would have otherwise had, making the North Korean fighting force more formidable and potentially more of a threat to

here in South Korea.

So, as we look forward, as you mentioned, the secretary general of NATO confirmed that there are North Korean fighting forces on the frontlines in

Russia. Two western intelligence officials, according to our friend at the Pentagon, Natasha Bertrand, CNN's own, have said that, yes, a small number

of North Korean troops are actually in Ukraine, which takes this thing a little bit further.

It's already Wednesday here in Seoul, but when we look forward to Wednesday in D.C., South Korea's defense minister is going to be meeting with the

U.S. secretary of defense. We're going to be watching, Julia, to see what other descriptive pieces of this story they can give us, because it is

fascinating about how this conflict has reached East Asia here, how the Korean peninsula has become involved, Julia.

CHATTERLEY: Yes, on so many levels. I was just looking back over time and physical wars that the North Koreans were involved in. And I'm going back

to obviously the 1960s, the DMZ conflict and the Vietnam War. Obviously, the Korean War than in the 1950s to get actual live experience, which is

what the South Koreans are warning about. You have to go back a really, really long way.

VALERIO: Exactly, exactly.

CHATTERLEY: Fascinating. Mike Valerio, great to have you. All right. Straight ahead, Taiwan in the eye of the storm. Residents bracing for a

powerful typhoon that could hit later this week. We'll have the very latest.

Plus, the Bezos brouhaha. The owner of The Washington Post defending the paper's decision to end presidential endorsements. And thousands have

cancelled their subscriptions. We'll have all the details, next.

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CHATTERLEY: Welcome back. And a very good morning if you're just waking up with us. A NASDAQ trading triumph and the cloud making Alphabet proud. All

that and more topping today's Money Move. U.S. stocks closing, well, we'll call that mixed, but the NASDAQ finishing at fresh record highs as U.S.

bond yields eased from three-month highs.

Alphabet higher in afterhours trading too. The parent company of Google, easily beating on both the top and bottom lines. Cloud revenue was up more

than 30 percent from a year ago, and we can chalk that up, of course, to strong demand for artificial intelligence.

And in Asia, Japanese stocks gaining as the yen weakens further, all this after the Japanese ruling party lost its majority in last weekend's

elections. We were discussing that, of course, on the show yesterday. Chinese stocks under a bit of pressure issue. You can see, the Shanghai

Composite there down some 1 percent. But we did see new comments from President Xi Jinping. He is now urging officials to do all they can to hit

this year's growth target of 5 percent, which the government has yet to achieve.

And a new research study says the number of Chinese billionaires has fallen by more than a third over the past three years as the economy, and no doubt

the stock exchange as well, weakens.

The billionaire founder of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, is defending his newspaper's non endorsement of a U.S. presidential candidate. Bezos described the

decision as, quote, "principled" and argued that Americans believe that the media is biased. In the aftermath, newspapers staffers have resigned and

hundreds of thousands of readers have cancelled their online subscriptions, and that number continues to grow. Critics have called Bezos cowardly.

Sara Fischer is senior media reporter for Axios, and she joins us now. Sara, fantastic to have you on the show. There's separate issues here for

me and we'll try and separate them at least. There's the decision to no longer endorse the presidential candidate after what, 50 years of doing so?

And the second one is the timing of this decision, just a week or so out from a presidential election. What do you make of the decision and what do

you make of the justification from Jeff Bezos?

SARA FISCHER, CNN MEDIA ANALYST AND SENIOR MEDIA REPORTER, AXIOS: I think the justification makes sense and that's why you're seeing so many

newspaper groups announcing that they're not going to endorse. But to your point, so many other papers have made that announcement months, if not

years ago.

The best example being Alden Golden Capital, which is a huge hedge fund, announced in 2022 that it wasn't going to do national election

endorsements. And so, their logic was very similar to Bezos', that in a hyper polarized environment, it impacts impartiality and the perception of

impartiality. And so, I don't think anyone is questioning Bezon's logic. But the problem was, coming out 11 days ahead of the election and also

killing an opinion editor's already written endorsement, that's when it starts to look like you're doing this because you're scared of retribution

from Donald Trump.

And by the way, just my own two cents here, Donald Trump is one of those types of people who can really sniff fear. I almost wonder that in doing

this, in creating this whole big news cycle now around the non-endorsement, he actually, Bezos, whose companies have millions of dollars of government

contracts, it could make it worse for him if Donald Trump were to win.

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CHATTERLEY: Yes, I mean, the challenges, the timing makes it almost look like a de facto Trump endorsement, which I know had a lot of Democrats, I

read. You could also argue at this stage that Kamala Harris' talk about attacks on unrealized capital gains for one of the world's richest men and

enormous owner of Amazon stock could also be a reason not to endorse her. So, just to be -- and add some balance here.

One of the arguments that I've seen though, Sara, and I'd love to get your opinion on this is, look, there's a new side and there's an editorial side.

They have an editorial board. Now, I would argue that the average voter doesn't know the difference, but the editor board can make a decision and

endorse a candidate or make a judgment call or be objective about something and share a view. Does that count in this era or is the point that Bezos

makes about the lack of trust overriding everything?

FISCHER: I think it absolutely counts. Remember, a lot of these editorial boards, even though they're not endorsing national elections and

presidents, they are endorsing ballot measures, key state races, key local races. And I think those endorsements are very powerful for people in local

communities.

You do touch on a really sticky point though, which is that, you know, if you want to be this unbiased, trusted news outlet in an era where

everything is so hyper polarized and hyper partisan, does having an opinion page, having an editorial page take away from that?

I mean, our company, we are a digital first outlet. We don't have an opinion page for that very reason, because you're worried about the

perception of bias. You also mentioned something critical, which is that a lot of people can't quite tell the difference between opinion and straight

news.

You know, in the newspaper era, this was very obvious, Julia, right? It was a physical distinction that was shared amongst all newspapers. You had the

editorial, and then you had the opposite of the editorial, the op-ed, which indicated opinion.

In the online era, there's no uniform disclosure for how we talk about things that aren't straight news. Some companies will call it analysis,

some companies call it view, some companies call it opinion. So, it's become so conflated that I do think it's damaged trust. Again, I don't

think that the decision to poll endorsements is necessarily a bad one. I don't think the decision to have endorsements is a bad one either.

But to the point up top, it's all about the way you communicate it and the timing. And coming in 11 days before a hot election as a billionaire who

has, you know, government contracts, is just not sending a very good message about the true reason as to why you are cutting the court on this.

CHATTERLEY: Yes. I want to disagree with you profusely over something, but I can't because you always speak wisdom on my show. And just for balance, I

will add according to Sensor Tower, which is a market intelligence firm that specializes in mobile app data Washington Post app downloads in the

United States increased 12 percent week over week when comparing this Saturday and Sunday to the past weekend and increased daily active users by

10 percent as well. So, that balances, perhaps to some degree, those that canceled their subscriptions. It's going to be interesting to watch. Sara,

great to have you on, as always. Thank you.

FISCHER: Thank you.

CHATTERLEY: All right. In our Weather Move, typhoon Kong-rey rapidly intensifying in the Western Pacific so much that it's soon expected to

become a super typhoon. Wind speeds have increased to 145 miles per hour in the past day alone. Just to give you a sense, that's more than 230

kilometers per hour.

Kong-rey is bringing additional rain and winds to the Northeastern Philippines, a country that was already hit by flooding and deadly

landslides from tropical storm Trami. Forecasters predict Kong-rey will directly impact Taiwan on Thursday.

Chad Myers has the latest. Chad, I'm not sure I want to hear it, but tell us more for people there specifically.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: I mean, we're only nine kilometers per hour from that super typhoon that you mentioned. There is Kong-rey, a very

impressive storm, 231 kilometers per hour. Right now, you have to get above 240 to get to that super typhoon category. But this thing went from 120 to

230 in 24 hours. And yes, it's hard to miss Taiwan when you're already this close.

Obviously, these things do get impacted by the topography of Taiwan and we saw that with Gaemi, how it made this big jog. Will that do the same thing

here? We'll have to see. But even getting up toward Kyushu here at a 75 kilometer per hour storm or so.

There goes the storm right over Taiwan. And it's one of the reasons why the eastern part of Taiwan is not as populated as the western side. 500

millimeters of rain expected in that white area there. An awful lot of rain as well into China and also down toward Kyushu.

Here's the wind speeds. So, all over 200 kph as we work our way through the area here. So, big wind event all the way for China and still some wind on

up toward the north to the northeast.

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Here's what's happened in Taiwan over the last 75 years, more than 30 Taiwan landfalls were like equivalent to the Category 4 and Category 5

Atlantic hurricanes. And this year alone we had Krathon and then Gaemi. There's that little dip I'm talking about that happened because of the

topography. The whole thing kind of wobbled a little bit.

But Signal 2, Signal 1 here for parts of the Philippines. Philippines do not need any more rainfall. They're likely to get probably 200 or more

still to come, but on the northern, northern part. This is a Taiwan storm. Julia.

CHATTERLEY: Yes. And it's a big one. Those ducks being very smart though, hanging out on the roof in those images there as devastating as they were.

Chad Myers, thank you. Stay with CNN. We'll be right back.

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CHATTERLEY: Welcome back. The CEO of SoftBank says the future of artificial intelligence is much bigger than current market valuations

suggest. Masayoshi Son is known for taking pretty big bets with successful investments in firms like Alibaba, but also unsuccessful ones like

companies like WeWork. Now, he's focused on A.I. and telling our Richard Quest he expects major advancements. Just take a listen.

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MASAYOSHI SON, CEO, SOFTBANK: AGI definition is same level of as a human brain. That's a AGI, Artificial General Intelligence. But people have a

different point of view definition of artificial super intelligence. How super? You know, 10 times super or 100 times super? My definition of ASI is

10,000 times super smarter than human brain. That's my definition of ASI, and that's coming in 2035. Ten years. Ten years from today. 10,000 times

smarter. That's my prediction.

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RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST, "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS": What is different in that? What will it do that we should either look forward to or

be worried about?

SON: Both. Both. We should be looking forward to that. Of course. We have to also be careful. We have to regulate. If such a superpower comes and no

regulation, it could be super dangerous. Of course, automotive industry was very, very beneficial, productive to human, but we have a regulation. Same

thing.

QUEST: No, I don't -- I -- with respect, because we don't have anybody in the world who's willingly building or wanting to build automobiles that are

dangerous. When it comes to A.I. there may be state actors, there may be independent actors that want to build A.I. that can be harmful to other

people. How can we guard against it? How do you guard against it?

SON: Of course, there is always some bad guy, you know, 1 percent, 2 percent of humans are bad guys, OK? But 99 percent of humans are actually

good guys, OK? So, the bad guy, of course, tries to use A.I. for the bad intention. However, those bad guys don't necessarily have enough capital.

This is a massive capital. Hundreds of billions of dollars of investment is required to make super intelligence. The bad guy, how do they sponsor?

There is not enough money to sponsor the bad guys.

QUEST: If you take, for example, NVIDIA, the number of people who will say, oh, NVIDIA's in trouble, oh, NVIDIA's got problem. Blah, blah, blah,

blah. Oh, A.I.'s -- really all that's happened is that the market has overvalued too soon.

SON: That's a good question. That's a good question. Many people will still doubt. OK. So, I think NVIDIA is undervalued.

QUEST: What?

SON: Undervalued.

QUEST: On what basis?

SON: Because the future is much bigger.

QUEST: But the market's concentrating, as we heard in a panel earlier, it's quarterly reports. It's, oh, if NVIDIA tells us that it's going to be

longer and slower, we all get --

SON: Yes, yes, yes. NVIDIA is just one example.

QUEST: Right.

SON: OK. What about the total, you know, gen A.I. future, what is the value of the future? Is this a bubble today or not? OK. Some critics, the

most negative guy says, oh, this AGI, ASI, in 10 years, maybe only 5 percent is actually useful or, you know, replacing people's job, but 95

percent still the same, no change. It takes time. So, I said, OK, let's accept the most negative critic's view, that is only 5 percent change, 95

percent unchanged.

But what is that, you know, ASI investment required to take? OK. 10,000 smarter than mankind. How many gigawatts? We were talking about gigawatts

just before me.

QUEST: Yes.

SON: I have predicted it will take 400 gigawatts of. A.I. data centers power, 400 gigawatts. That's bigger than total U.S. electricity. And it

will require 200 million chips, OK? The cumulative capex, $9 trillion. $9 trillion. How do you recoup? How do you recoup? It's too much investment

for many people's view. I say it's still very reasonable capex. $9 trillion is not too big, maybe too small.

QUEST: You like to think big?

SON: Yes. Yes. So, let me say, what is $9 trillion cumulative? But if the 5 percent of GDP in 10 years from today replaced by ASI, what is the

number?

QUEST: Right?

SON: 5 percent of global GDP is $9 trillion. $9 trillion per year. If the ASI produce you $9 trillion per year, cumulative investment of $9 trillion,

small money.

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CHATTERLEY: Every nation's going to use A.I. to build weaponry every nation. OK. More to come stay with CNN.

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CHATTERLEY: Welcome back to "First Move." Cuba only recently restored electricity on the island after a complete power grid failure due to severe

weather. But more than a million people are still enduring a month's long water shortage despite watching it flow through the streets due to poor

infrastructure. Patrick Oppmann is in Havana and has more details.

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PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Some days, in many parts of Cuba, it seems there's water everywhere but actually inside people's

houses. Like the power grid that crashed across the island for more than three days earlier this month, the island's aging, poorly maintained water

system is also barely functioning.

Enough water spills in the street in some places to even wash your car. The day we first visited this hardscrabble neighborhood on the outskirts of

Havana, residents tell us they've not had running water in over two weeks.

Some people, like Ani (ph), say they walk to areas where water does come in, even if only for a few hours, to carry back to their homes.

We carry water to be able to bathe and cook, she says. I have four tanks for water in my house, but there's not even a drop in them.

Cuban officials blame U.S. sanctions, in part, for the failing water system, but acknowledge the crisis has grown to impact nearly 10 percent of

the population.

We have around 1,013,000, 1,018,000 people without water, he says, because of the pumps, energy cuts, pipe breakages.

The water shortages have led some Cubans to take to the streets in protest, something the government usually does not tolerate. The worsening power

situation has a direct impact on the water supply.

OPPMANN: Many people have not -- most people in Cuba don't get water every day. You might get water for a few hours every other day, every third day.

It's what's known as El dia del aqua, water day. But when there's a power cut, you don't get any water that day either.

OPPMANN (voice-over): The government says it sends water trucks to help with the problem, but there are not enough to go around. And residents here

tell us you have to pay to get one of those trucks to actually come.

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That's an impossibility for someone like Ani (ph), who says the more frequently the power goes out, the less water she will likely have. She

says the country's leaders need to remember how poor people like her here live.

The power doesn't go out for them, she says. They need to put themselves in our place.

Just down the hill from Ani's (ph) house, a small river of drinking water runs in the street where a pipe is broken. She says residents have reported

the problem for years to the local government, but no one has ever come to fix it.

Patrick Oppmann, CNN, Havana.

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CHATTERLEY: Our thanks to Patrick there. OK. Now, this is one of my favorite stories. Science nerds, listen up. Scientists at China's JUNO

Observatory are sealing up their experiment in order for it to work. They're trying to understand neutrinos, a mysterious subatomic particle.

Stick with me. There's still much we don't know about them, such as which are heavier and lighter, but Marc Stewart has been investigating from

Beijing.

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MARC STEWART, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): More than 700 meters underground, researchers in Southern China are busy solving a mystery, one

that could lead to a scientific breakthrough.

For a decade, these scientists have been constructing JUNO, an underground observatory. With construction almost complete, they're ready to execute

their plan to better understand neutrino. These tiny subatomic particles are among the most abundant particles with mass in the universe, and they

move at nearly the speed of light. Neutrinos are all around us, even passing through our bodies, and scientists need to know more about them.

WANG YIFANG, PROJECT MANAGER, JUNO: The goal of this facility to study properties of neutrinos. In particular, the mass hierarchy of neutrinos.

STEWART (voice-over): That is they want to study which types of neutrino are the heaviest and lightest. JUNO's experiments also seek to solve

multiple other mysteries, including why they change types while in flight.

CAO JUN, STANDING DEPUTY MANAGER, JUNO: So, we don't know the answer yet. That's why we need the JUNO experiment to measure the neutrino and get

answer of the fundamental rules of our nature.

STEWART (voice-over): They'll measure neutrinos emitted by two nuclear plants located about 50 kilometers away. Knowing what makes up the

fundamentals of neutrinos can open the door to learning more about the past and future of the universe and discover the nature of matter and energy.

China isn't the only country working to understand these tiny particles. Other countries are in the race to be the first to solve the enigma.

YIFANG: So, the one in the us, the one in Japan is in the construction. There's one in France and the seawater is in the construction. There's one

in South Pole in the planning. So, all of this is trying to understand neutrino mass hierarchy.

STEWART (voice-over): In a few months, JUNO will be sealed off for 30 years running experiments and collecting data. And while it may take

decades, JUNO's team says they're confident they'll be the first to finish their research and solve the mysteries. If they come first, they could set

the tone for what we know about the universe moving forward.

Marc Stewart, CNN, Beijing.

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CHATTERLEY: Our thanks to Marc there. Now, coming up, the L.A. Dodgers dominate while the New York Yankees yelp. It's all on the line in Game 4 of

the World Series. The details next.

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CHATTERLEY: Welcome back to "First Move" with a look at more of the international headlines this hour. At least one person has died, up to nine

others are missing after a 10-story hotel collapsed Tuesday morning in Argentina. According to local authorities, the hotel was undergoing

renovation and operating, quote, "without complying with municipal regulations."

Donald Trump's former chief strategist, Steve Bannon, has been released from prison. Bannon served a four-month sentence for failing to comply with

a congressional investigation into the January 6th attack. Upon his release, he said he's quote, "empowered" and is continuing to appeal his

conviction.

A troubling sign of the times at Japan's Mount Fuji. Officials note that the iconic mountain has not seen any traces of snow so far this fall. The

latest appearance of snow in some 130 years. At this time of year, it's got at least a dusting of snow. All of this after Japan experienced its hottest

summer on record. Just compare, by the way, the pictures you just saw with these. Now, that was taken at Mount Fuji just four years ago. Wowzers.

OK. the L.A. Dodgers just one game away from winning the World Series, trouncing the New York Yankees Monday night 4 to 2. That's despite star

player Shohei Ohtani appearing to be in pain due to that shoulder injury, if you remember.

Hope fading fast, however, for the Yankees. No team has been able to bounce back from a three-game loss to win the World Series until now perhaps,

always a qualifier. For more on this, we're joined by Don Riddell. The question is can they do it because, wow, they look like they're on form.

DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: Yes, the Dodgers look great. The Yankees do not. Aaron judge, their power hitter, who's had such a great season, just

hasn't got it going at all in this postseason and he's even worse in the World Series. Julia. So, yes, it's hard to see how the Yankees can dig

themselves out of this hole. And if they can, it would be historic.

As you just noted, no team has ever come back from three down in the World Series. Only once has it ever happened in a seven-game series in the

baseball playoffs, and that was the Red Sox, actually, against the Yankees 20 years ago.

So, it kind of seems to be over for the Yankees. And the Dodgers just go from strength to strength. They won Game 3 in the Bronx by four runs to two

on Monday night. And it was this guy, Freddie Freeman, who has just lit up this World Series with yet another home run. He has now homered in five

consecutive World Series games. That ties a record. Two of those games were his last two with the Atlanta Braves when he won the World Series with them

a few years ago, and he has led his team to the brink of another World Series championship.

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FREDDIE FREEMAN, LOS ANGELES DODGERS FIRST BASEMAN: I guess when it's all said and done, I can look at that. But the most important thing is what you

said, one more win. That's all I care about right now. I don't care how it happens. I just want to get one more win.

DAVE ROBERTS, LOS ANGELES DODGERS MANAGER: We have got to stay focused. Stay urgent. I think offensively, to be quite honest, we left a lot of runs

out there tonight. Still found a way to win a ball game and there's just got to be urgency. I just don't want to let these guys up for error.

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RIDDELL: You know, Julia, everybody loves Freddie Freeman and there's a lot of love to go around. He's well known for his hugs. He's overcome a lot

of adversity in his life, though. He always plays in long sleeves in honor of his mum who died of melanoma skin cancer when he was just 10. Even this

season, one of his young sons has had to overcome a really, really worrying illness.

And yet, here he is on top of the world. And it's not just those five consecutive World Series homers, he's also made history by becoming the

first World Series player ever to hit a walk off Grand Slam in this World Series. So, he is absolutely on top of the world.

CHATTERLEY: Yes, strong physically and mentally, it seems as well. What about Shohei Ohtani? Because I saw some of the pre-match sort of ramble and

he was talking about being strapped up. He was also talking about keeping it warm as well. He was wearing some kind of heating device. What can we

expect from Game 4?

RIDDELL: Well, we don't really know what to expect. I mean, to be honest, if you ask me, I thought it was amazing that he was just playing last

night, given that he partially dislocated his shoulder at the weekend. But he was out there.

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He hasn't done too much in this World Series. It's his teammates who've taken a lot more of the attention. But he did manage to get on base last

night. He was walked. And with a player like Ohtani, you just never know when he's going to do something special, and just having him in the lineup

and standing there at the plate just gives the Yankees so many more things to think about and worry about.

So, I think if he's just a part of the game, again, that's going to be a positive for the Dodgers. And it does seem that he's almost certainly going

to be winning his first World Series ring pretty soon, if not tonight, then surely in the next game or the one after that.

CHATTERLEY: Yes. Phenomenal. I think your point is so correct, just having him there gives them all a lift and, obviously, puts fear in the minds of

the other team, which is what you want to. Don, great to have you.

RIDDELL: All right.

CHATTERLEY: We shall see. Don Riddell. And that just about wraps up the show. Thank you for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow.

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