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O'Rourke Launches 2020 Campaign; Rebuke in the Senate; Trump on Capitol Hill. Aired 12-12:30p ET

Aired March 14, 2019 - 12:00   ET

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[12:00:21] JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome to INSIDE POLITICS. I'm John King. Thank you for sharing a very busy news day with us.

It's non-binding but still not something you see very often in today's Washington. The House, today, passed a resolution calling on the Mueller report to be made public. The vote, 420 ayes, zero nays.

Plus, the Senate will soon deliver its second rebuke of President Trump in as many days. Today's vote will put both the House and the Senate on record against the president's national emergency declaration for the U.S./Mexico border.

And, listen to this, North Lawn shade for the latest Democrat to join the 2020 field. It is Beto O'Rourke, not Bato, unless you work for President Trump.

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HOGAN GIDLEY, PRINCIPAL DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: First of all, you pronounced it wrong. It's Robert Francis. That's number one. Number two, we don't care who gets in the race. The fact is, the president's going to win re-election.

He's called him that before on the campaign trail. And why wouldn't he. That's his name.

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KING: Some moving parts in this busy hour ahead, including the president heading up to Capitol Hill for the annual bipartisan St. Patrick's Day lunch. We're keeping an eye on that and more.

But we begin today with the end of the Beto watch.

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BETO O'ROURKE (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is going to be a positive campaign that seeks to bring out the very best from every single one of us, that seeks to unite a very divided country.

(END VIDEO CLIP) KING: That morning video launched former Congressman Robert "Beto" O'Rourke into the crowded Democratic presidential field. And his first event in Iowa offered instant proof of the youthful energy and celebrity that make him an immediate impact player.

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BETO O'ROURKE (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This setting right now, the very first event of our campaign for president, is an example not only of the way that I wish to campaign across this country for every single American. And I could care less your party persuasion, your religion, anything other than the fact that right now we're all Americans and we are all human beings and we're going to do everything within our power for one another, for this great country and for every generation that follows. This is democracy.

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KING: Count the incumbent, President Trump, among those taking note.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, I think he's got a lot of hand movement. I've never seen so much hand movement. I said, is he crazy or is that just the way he acts? So I've never seen hand movement. I watched him a little while this morning doing, I'm assuming, it was some kind of news conference. And I've actually never seen anything quite like it. Study it. I'm sure you'll agree.

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KING: So with the wait over, the Beto debate begins, is O'Rourke way out over his skis with no shortage of self-confidence but a big, specifics deficit when it comes to all those policy questions candidates get in those Iowa coffee shops, or is he the next Obama or Trump, a candidate with a light national political resume but the star power and skills to convince his party he's the best hope for victory.

CNN's Jeff Zeleny's on the ground in Burlington, Iowa, watching day one of this new candidacy.

Jeff, how's the reaction, the reception so far?

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Well, John, there's no question that Beto O'Rourke is sweeping into Iowa with confidence and a bit of wind here as well. But he is not talking about President Trump. He did not mention him at all in his remarks earlier today when he was doing his first stop, but he is thinking about him and here's why. The counties that he is choosing to visit initially are counties that President Trump won in 2016. They're also counties that President Obama won in 2012. We've talked about this a lot on this program, that these are the key counties we'll be watching on election night in 2020.

But right here in Burlington, Iowa, President Obama won this county 58 percent, 15 percent more than Hillary Clinton did. She obviously lost it to President Trump. So that is a subtext of why Beto O'Rourke is here. That is why he is coming to these counties where few Democratic presidential candidates have gone before.

He's taking his message, and it is one of an emotional appeal. He is calling on, you know, a positive message. We'll see how long it stays positive. Some of his Democratic rivals and their aides already sniping at him for a lack of specifics. So that is something that, of course, he cannot control how positive this message is overall. But he will be speaking here at this coffee shop right behind me on his second stop.

And, John, talking to Iowa Democrats on the ground, they say they want to hear a couple of things from him. One, is he going to expand the universe of the Iowa caucuses, like Barack Obama did in 2008? That's how he won in 2008, which, of course, launched him to the White House. If Beto O'Rourke is able to get young voters and new people to the caucuses, that is certainly good for him.

They also want to see how he can grow as a candidate. This is day one. Much more important to see how he picks himself up after errors. There are always errors in a presidential campaign. But day one, John, a lot of excitement out here for Beto O'Rourke.

John.

KING: Looking forward to hearing what you think about it at the end of day one.

[12:05:03] Jeff Zeleny live in Iowa.

Sometimes candidates have wind in their face. Sometimes wind at their back. Sometimes there's just wind.

Appreciate that, Jeff.

Here with me to share their reporting and their insights, Margaret Talev with "Bloomberg," Ayesha Rascoe, Karoun Demirjian with "The Washington Post," and "The New York Times's" Lisa Lerer.

So we were talking about this before the show. And just the energy in the conversation tells you, this is one of the -- some candidates get in and it's like, OK, let's see. He has created a buzz for better or worse. He has created a celebrity mini stardom, if you will, in the Democratic Party. That's a great blessing for a candidate because you get attention, but it also sets a standard now, can you keep it up or do you -- does the air come out of the balloon?

KAROUN DEMIRJIAN, CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT, "THE WASHINGTON POST": And especially when people start to be -- you know, debating him and challenging him, can he live up to the mystique that he's set for himself nationwide. He got vetted very closely in Texas, where he came very close to Ted Cruz in unseating him in the Senate election last year, but nationally he is just kind of a phenom right now. He has yet to kind of show his stuff. And there are going to be other people saying, wait, I have more stuff at every step in the game. LISA LERER, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER, "THE NEW YORK TIMES": And if

you talk -- I've spoken to people who have spoken to Beto and people around him and they have some real concerns about the structure of this campaign. They say that he doesn't have much of a strategy when it comes to delegates. And like make no mistake about it, in a crowded Democratic field like this, this is a delicate game. That will be a key part of this.

They also wonder how prepared he is in terms of policy. His policy views have really been all over the map and, frankly, we don't know a lot of his views on a lot of policy issues. And there's a question about whether he's ready for the scrutiny and the intensity that comes in a presidential campaign, particularly one where you have some senators, particularly some female senators, who are extremely strong and pride themselves on their policy expertise.

So it could be -- it could be hard for him. And running for president is just not the same as running for Texas senate.

KING: And so let's start with on the policy side of that because you raise a couple of very important questions here.

It's day one. So you're not expecting a candidate on day one to say, here's what I want to do to health care, here's how we're going to pay for it, here's what we'll change, here's what I'm going to do on the green new day, here's what I won't do. You don't expect that on day one. But, out of the box, Beto O'Rourke on the issues.

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BETO O'ROURKE (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Guaranteed high-quality health care.

Some will criticize the new green deal for being too bold or being unmanageable. But I tell you what, I haven't seen anything better that addresses this singular crisis that we face.

We support our teachers, pay them a true living wage.

We should end the federal prohibition on marijuana.

Every woman should be able to make her own decision about her own body.

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KING: Again, it's day one. So it's just everyone hold your breath.

The question is -- and we saw some of this during the senate campaign -- as you get -- the cameras aren't there. The Iowa voters are asking you, or you're on a debate stage with senators who think -- well, it could be Vice President Biden, it could be Kamala Harris, it could be Cory Booker, it could be Pete Buttigieg who think they have better policy chops, can you withstand? Can you answer?

AYESHA RASCOE, WHITE HOUSE REPORTER, NPR: I think that's the question that you always have in these situations, right, are people going to vote for the policies or are they going to vote for the candidate that they like the most and who kind of can convey them in the best way. It's probably a mixture of both. But right now the question is going to be, can he rise to the occasion? Can he come up with kind of put some meat on the bones of how you're going to have great health care, how you going to do all these energy policies, how are you going to make them work for everyday people and can he do that? I think that's the question now that the spotlight is on him.

MARGARET TALEV, SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, "BLOOMBERG": But he does -- in a very crowded field, he does have the one ingredient that you really can't teach a candidate, right, which is charisma. And I suppose charisma is in the eye of the beholder, but I think there are some people who are universally charismatic. And most people, particularly ones who just lost their last race, cannot land a cover of "Vanity Fair" timed exactly to their rollout and have a bazillion dollars, you know, hurled at them with fairly little effort.

I think the fact that he's a white man in a primary where a lot of the energy and questions from the base are going to be around women and is a white man the right guy to, you know, to be the next nominee is going to be a thing that he's going to have to deal with. But I think for people who are looking at which Democrat can best challenge President Trump in a nomination, the ability to kind of take a hard question and answer it in a non-specific way or use humor to defuse difficult situations or kind of be quick on your feet, that sort of charisma, like the instinctive charisma, is going to be a commodity because people are -- let me say like you could have a million policy ideas and if Donald Trump can eviscerate you by calling you, you know, crazy Beto, then it's over, it doesn't matter.

So -- and the fact that we saw Trump so quickly, I mean like -- when -- a couple of hours of the first video of people chasing Beto across lawns and breathlessly waiting for what he's going to say in a coffee shop, and the fact that Trump already is trying out nicknames on him, et cetera, it tells you that the president takes his non-verbal communication skills very seriously.

KING: Seriously. He thinks this is --

LERER: But I think there is something where, yes, the party is talking a lot about the need for a woman or a more diverse candidate, but what they really want to do is beat President Trump. And I think when you ask people, you know, privately, or what you hear a lot from voters is, well, I could vote for a woman, but my friends, I'm not sure they can.

[12:10:09] And so I do think in some ways this is a guy who looks like he could be a president. He has the sort of Kennedy-esque thing to him. And if Democrats are not willing to take a risk, and if they view, you know, a woman or a candidate of color as a risk, that really could help him in a way.

TALEV: Yes, I thought --

KING: Yes, and so I just -- I just want to get in the idea that people -- again, it's early in the -- some people make the Obama comparison. Obama had the Iraq war. He had an ideological difference with Hillary Clinton in that race that gave him some credibility with the liberal base. What will Beto O'Rourke's signature issue is. Is he that different from any Democratic -- because that's one question.

But he can raise money. We learned in his Senate race, if you want to go the distance in a crowded field, he raised $80.3 million in his Senate race, and he was a three term House member. So -- nothing against serving in the House, but it's hard to raise $80 million when nobody knows you.

Now, part of this is the Democratic national fundraising or online operations, but part of it was his appeal.

You raised the question about, can he put a campaign together. He likes to trust his gut. He likes to trust his drives. He likes to trust -- and I'm making -- I'm not mocking this -- his use of social media and the like. But the question is, in a crowded field, in a delegate chase, he said this to "Vanity Fair," I don't have a team counting delegates. Almost no one thought there was a path in Texas and I just knew it. I just felt it. I knew it was there. And I knew that with enough work and enough creativity and enough amazing people, if I'm able to meet them and bring them in, then we can do it. That's how I feel about this. It's probably not the most professional thing you've ever heard about this, but I just feel it.

LERER: Yes, but there wasn't a path in Texas, in fact.

DEMIRJIAN: See, he's unlike this --

KING: Right.

DEMIRJIAN: Well, there wasn't. True.

KING: Well, it's a big debate --

LERER: There was no --

KING: The big debate about that is --

LERER: He lost.

KING: Because he has such good instincts, did he make it way closer than it should have been --

LERER: Yes --

KING: Or because he doesn't have a traditional organization and trust attack ads and trust pollsters, did he lose a race he might have been able to win?

DEMIRJIAN: But it's -- it's hard to argue a negative on this one. Generally -- first of all, the tenor of his statements remind you so much of the type of statements that President Trump makes all the time about just trusting his gut and he knows and like he's --

LERER: Yes.

DEMIRJIAN: And he was right about his own presidency. But -- but --

KING: and Trump's instincts served him well.

DEMIRJIAN: They did.

KING: A good instinctive candidate, you know, if you go back to Bill Clinton, even George W. Bush was underrated in this regard.

DEMIRJIAN: Yes.

KING: Obama had his moments once he learned. Instinctive candidates, that helps.

DEMIRJIAN: Instinct matters especially when it comes to one of those push and pull situations in which there is no clear answer, either in the numbers or because you're on the debate stage and have to make an answer in the next, you know, few seconds in real time and you don't have time to consult all your advisers.

But you do actually need to pay attention to the numbers. He does need people that are going to be able to look at the delegate counts, look at the get out the vote efforts, and especially the states that Clinton, you know, maybe should have won and yet lost because she didn't have an operation in those places. But -- and this goes to Margaret's point, which is that having that instinct does matter, especially in a field where there is not that much variation in terms of the top line issue of what all these people are for. Yes, they may have different plans of how to fight climate change or, you know, support, you know, college tuition and child care and things like that. But the top line of, this is what we want, not that much diversity in the Democratic field and there's a lot of people there, so charisma shows.

KING: Well, game on. He's in. We'll see. We'll watch him in Iowa today. We may come back to this later in the program. Republican senators, though, weighing a tough choice. Next hour, standing with the president or rebuking his national emergency declaration. Some senators just not eager to telegraph their move ahead of the vote.

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR, "NEW DAY": How are you going to vote today?

SEN. ROY BLUNT (R), MISSOURI: I'm going to wait until that vote occurs this afternoon. I'll be explaining my vote then.

CAMEROTA: You'll -- OK. So you don't want to give us a preview of how you're going to vote.

BLUNT: No, I don't.

CAMEROTA: Because this would be a great opportunity on national TV.

BLUNT: Oh, come on.

CAMEROTA: But are you leaning towards -- I mean, listen, you can vote against it.

BLUNT: No. No, the answer is -- the answer is I'm going to talk about that this afternoon.

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[12:17:45] KING: Live pictures, Capitol Hill there. You see the speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, others waiting for the arrival of President Trump. It's the annual Friends of Ireland Luncheon to celebrate St. Patrick's Day up on Capitol Hill. The president will be on Capitol Hill, a, to enjoy lunch, but, b, to steel himself as members of his own party plan to vote against his national emergency declaration. Senators Mitt Romney and Lamar Alexander, today, joining five other Republicans who have gone on the record and said they'll vote yes this afternoon for a resolution to overturn that declaration.

The White House bracing then for embarrassment. The president's top aides telling CNN, they worry as many as 14 Republican senators may break with the president in that vote a bit later today. President Trump and the White House repeatedly casting that vote as a binary choice. The president tweeting just this morning, quote, a vote for today's resolution by Republican senators is a vote for Nancy Pelosi, crime and the open border Democrats. He told reporters last hour the veto pen is ready.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't know what the vote will be. It doesn't matter. It's probably have to veto. And it's not going to be overturned. And we're going to have our -- hopefully (INAUDIBLE). The legal scholars all say it's totally constitutional. It's very important. It's really a border security vote. It's pure and simple. It's a vote for border security. It's a vote for no crime.

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KING: We'll leave that to the fact-checkers.

CNN's Phil Mattingly joins us live on Capitol Hill.

Phil, what are we looking for here? How high do we think that Republican embarrassment to the president is going to go?

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, here's what we do know. We know that the president will, in fact, have to veto this resolution. It will pass the United States Senate. And the president is also right, it will not pass by enough to override that veto. So the emergency declaration will stand.

But you noted that there are already seven Republican no-votes. And by my count right now, there are probably six to eight other Republicans who are very much on the fence.

If you want to know just how late in the game this is going, we expect the vote in the next two hours of so. I just ran into Senator Roy Blunt on my way over here. An undecided senator. Asked him where he stood. And he said, quote, amazingly I'm still talking to the White House. As senators are trying to get something from the White House to limit the president's authority on future emergency declarations.

Roy Blunt's not the only one who's talking to the White House. Three senators, Ted Cruz, Ben Sasse, Lindsey Graham, went over to the White House last night, uninvited. Graham said they barged into a dinner to make their own pitch to get the president to try and accept some limitations on future national emergency declarations. I'm told at that meeting that was rejected after a White House lawyer came in and said it would be problematic for the White House. Yet the president this morning tweeted out that he may be open to some changes to future national emergency declarations.

[12:20:15] What that means going forward? Well, Blunt told me he wasn't totally sure. He needs to learn more. The reality is, according to one senior Senate aide, it's too little too late. This is clearly going to pass. The question of how many is still the open question.

Right now, if you look down the list of kind of key undecided senators, people like Rob Portman, Pat Toomey, Ted Cruz, Corey Gardner, Ben Sasse, these are people that all would like to see changes to the national emergency declaration, but, interestingly enough, aren't necessarily all identically ideologically aligned. There are constitutional conservatives. There are appropriators.

What it underscores here is that Republicans, as we've seen over the course of the last few weeks, have just really, really struggled with this issue. They know it's going to pass. We just don't know at this point by how many.

KING: We'll keep an eye on the count as the day progresses.

Phil Mattingly live on The Hill. Appreciate the latest there.

It's embarrassing for the president. It's the second time in two days. There was a Yemen resolution yesterday saying get the United States out of any involvement with Saudi Arabia and other countries who have the civil war in Yemen.

This -- but this one's on his signature issue. This is how the president won the Republican nomination. This is what he wants to go into the campaign -- you heard him. It was not quite factual what the president said about not all constitutional scholars think he's on firm footing here. There's a debate about that. A legitimate debate about that.

But the president wants to go into the campaign strong on immigration. I'm going to build my wall no matter what. So -- and some people actually think the president will now campaign against not only the Democrats but establishment Republicans, saying, look what I have to do to fight for my wall. RASCOE: That is the thing with this that why this is such a rebuke

because one thing that President Trump has been able to do is keep his party in line. I mean he has been able to get Republicans to at least be quiet, if not embrace things that they weren't embracing before, tariffs, things of that nature. And this is immigration. And so to get pushback on this and to have to veto, have your own party kind of vote down what you feel like is your signature issue, that's a big deal.

And one thing that President Trump has always had in his corner is that he -- is this fear that he could come out against a Republican if they voted against him. And that's kind of helped to keep them in line. But you're seeing that kind of break down. This is not a president who forgets. You know, he's still talking about John McCain's vote on health care years later. So the fact that they're willing to do this kind of speaks to his strength right now.

TALEV: But the reason --

KING: We all know if they voted their principle, the number would be a lot higher because they just -- they just think it's an overreach by the executive branch.

TALEV: Right. The reason they're doing this isn't because they want to vote against his signature issue, it's because in order to help him, they'd have to kill themselves. What's the point of being in the Senate if you have no powers as a senator. And so beyond the constitutional question is like the actual real political question. I mean every time -- every time that he asks them to do something to help him that involves gives away their own power, they weaken their own leverage for the next negotiation or the next debate.

And, you know, it -- and he says the numbers don't matter, but, of course, the numbers matter because if -- if it's for Republicans who do this, then they look like abortions and he can give them a nickname and maybe primary one of them. But if it's 14, or 12, or anywhere close to 20, it's a much bigger problem. What's he going to do, go after some of them or not others? There are going to be a couple of people on that list who the White House would love to have primaries against and a couple that the White House can look the other way and say, what can we do. But, you know, a big number is much better.

KING: But to the point about how much the president has transformed the Republican Party. Some of it, maybe permanently. Some of it just out of fear of crossing him is out there. Is, remember, let's -- this is a little talk radio sample here. When President Obama used executive actions like this, he was the imperial president, he was trying to destroy the Constitution, he was a horrible, horrible president. When Donald Trump does it, according to Mark Levin, it's great.

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MARK LEVIN, HOST, "THE MARK LEVIN SHOW": Some of these people dress up as constitutional conservatives. And some of them claim they're concerned about separation of powers. He's trying to secure the border. If Congress won't go along, too damn bad. Some do and some don't.

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KING: There was a day when Mark Levin was concerned about that constitutional separation of powers, but I guess it was because there was a Democrat in the White House.

DEMIRJIAN: Oddly enough, things change.

KING: There's an intellectual inconsistency that gets dropped, from a guy who's normally intellectually consistent.

DEMIRJIAN: Yes, and it's not even just about your basic constitutionally prescribed powers. It's about how much money you want to spend and whether you really care about deficits. It's about whether you care about being able to subpoena members of the executive branch to actually tell you what's going on when they're not actually, you know, ponying up information. That's -- that -- if you feel like your guy is actually in charge and running the ship properly, you don't start that fight. But the issue right here is that the GOP has never been completely comfortable with the way Trump's running the ship and you're seeing it come out in this, which as much as it's his signature issue, a lot of the Republicans have not like this wall -- wall or bust --

KING: Let' take this full for a second, if we can. We don't see this that often. Can we take that live picture back from Capitol Hill or did we lose it?

We don't see the president of the United States standing next to the speaker of the House all that often. They don't get along. They don't agree on just about anything. They agree to have lunch with the prime minister of Ireland, who's here today to celebrate St. Patrick's Day. They don't agree on much else. So we don't get to see these pictures that often.

[12:25:09] It's also a beautiful day here in Washington. We haven't had one of those in quite a while.

I'm sorry, come back to the conversation here.

You know, Pelosi put this resolution through the House to highlight one of their differences, and it won big. And now the Senate will go on the record today. A little bagpipes are always a good thing to have in the program.

It's -- the question is, is it just one embarrassing moment for the president where he's going to have to, for the first two times if he vetoes both the Yemen war powers resolution, and now the national emergency disapproval. The first two times he would use his veto pen would be on votes where a significant number of his own party said, sorry, Mr. President.

LERER: Look, the president still has a firm hold on his party. The vast majority of the base in all these polls approve of him. But there are slight cracks. And you have heard our -- from -- even from strong Trump supporters, like I was talking to Kris Kobach two weeks ago, and he said, well, you know, everyone's behind the president. But, you know, that's assuming there's no big bombshell in the Mueller report. So it's important to think about this moment in context, right, which is that the Mueller report is maybe likely probably coming.

TALEV: Maybe.

LERER: Maybe.

And you have all these investigations on Capitol Hill. And there's a lot in the air that we and Democrats and Republicans don't really know what it is or how it will end up. So I think you -- and -- and we're in a campaign cycle. We're in the 202 cycle. Some of these senators are up for re-election. So you are seeing tiny -- I wouldn't even call them cracks. They're like hair -- fine lines. Fine lines.

KING: The question is does it grow. And you see this -- you know, the kabuki dance of, well, will you give us legislation, limiting your powers on future emergencies and then we'll sort of turn a blind eye to this one.

TALEV: The high road, you mean?

KING: Yes. Well, if they're staunch in their gimmicks, but there are ways for Republicans to try to say, see, I stood on principle, even though I turned and said there's nothing over here to see on that one. It's a bizarre debate.

TALEV: Yes.

DEMIRJIAN: Legally, it's really hard to say this isn't a precedent. It doesn't really make any sense when you're talking about people in the future that will look back (INAUDIBLE).

TALEV: Well, and the White House was not encouraging (INAUDIBLE).

LERER: The Democrats had already talked about using it. Like you talk to Democrats about this and, you know, they're against it, but if it happens, well, it could be good for climate change.

KING: So it's a green like for them.

LERER: Right.

KING: Issues down the road. That's one of the concerns of those constitutional conservatives. That's what they're called, yes.

Before we go to break, a touching farewell today on the Senate floor. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell getting a little choked up, saying good-bye to his long-time aide and spokesman, shepherd of Capitol Hill reporter, Don Stewart, who's moving on to a job in the private sector.

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SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R), MAJORITY LEADER: There's Cher, there was Prince, there's Madonna, and there is Stu. Everybody knows Stu. So today I have to say good-bye to an all-star staff leader who took

his job about as seriously as anybody you'll ever meet.

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