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Trump Holding First Cabinet Meeting of Second Term; Trump Takes Questions at First Cabinet Meeting of Second Term. Aired 12-12:30p ET

Aired February 26, 2025 - 12:00   ET

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: But those people are on the bubble, as they say. Maybe they're going to be gone. Maybe they're not around. Maybe they have other jobs. Maybe they moved and they're not where they're supposed to be. A lot of things could have happened. I wouldn't say that Biden ran a very tight administration. They spent money like nobody's ever spent money before, wasted money, the green new scam, all of the different things they spent money on.

And you have seen that. We have seen that with some of the things that I read in speeches. I read them, and people can't believe when I read them, $20 million here, $30 million here for a little educational course on something,circumcision, right, circumcision, $20 million to inform the people of such-and-such a country on other things and other things other than that.

So, yes, those people are -- right now, we're trying to find out who those people are that haven't responded. Now, there will be some agencies -- like, Marco has people within State that are right now doing very classified, very confidential work. And we understand that. We have talked, and we're being a little more surgical.

And Marco's doing a lot of things himself. He's -- and some of the secretaries go -- we're going to be going to them. We're going to be talking about it today. We're going to ask them to do their own DOGE. In other words, they will look in their group. And who? I spoke with Lee Zeldin, and he thinks he's going to be cutting 65 or so percent of the people from Environmental.

And we're going to speed up the process too at the same time. You had a lot of people that weren't doing their job. They were just obstructionists and a lot of people that didn't exist. I guess we found a lot of empty spots, and the people weren't there. They didn't exist.

And I think Education is going to be one of those. You go around Washington, you see all these buildings with Department of Education. We want to move education back to the states, where it belongs. Iowa should have education. Indiana should run their own education.

You're going to see education go way up. Right now, we're -- we're ranked at the very bottom of the list. But we're at the top of the list in one thing, the cost per pupil. We spend more money per pupil than any other country of the world. And yet it's Denmark and Norway, Sweden.

And I hate to say this.And we're going to get along very well with China, but it's a competitor. They're at the top of the list. They're among the top 10 usually. And they're a very big country. So we can't use that as an excuse, right, because we're a very big country too, but we're -- we were ranked last time -- under Biden, we were ranked 40 out of 40.

They do the 40 certain nations that they have done for a long time. It seems to be 40, for whatever reason. And we were ranked number 40. A year ago, we were 38. Then we were 39. We hit 40. And so we're last in that. And we're first in cost per pupil.

So I would say that's unacceptable.

Lawrence, you have something? Go ahead.

QUESTION: So, Mr. President, I know you like competition. And I know it's early. So which department are you most impressed with?

(LAUGHTER)

QUESTION: And then to Mr. Musk...

(LAUGHTER)

QUESTION: That's the first one.

Mr. Musk, which department have you received the most resistance from?

Mr. President first.

TRUMP: I think both of those questions are a little bit -- well, you're a pretty controversial guy.

(LAUGHTER)

TRUMP: Look, it's very early. Right now, I think I'm impressed with everybody so far, everybody.

If I wasn't in the first month with -- and some of them just got here. They just got approved two days ago, right? But I think I'm very impressed with everybody. So far, I'm very happy with all of the choices. I think that Elon has done incredibly with some groups. And some groups are much easier than others.

It is true. State is a very difficult situation. We're right now negotiating very successfully, I think, with Russia and with Ukraine. And we have a lot of countries involved. And we have to be a little bit careful what we do and who we're terminating.

But Marco is doing that very -- I think he's going to be very precise. It's going to be -- we're cutting down government. We're cutting down the size of government. We have to. We're bloated. We're sloppy. We have a lot of people that aren't doing their job. We have a lot of people that don't exist. You look at Social Security as an example. I mean, you have so many

people in Social Security where, if you believe it, they're 200 years old.

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TRUMP: And what we're doing is finding out there are checks going out for that. And did somebody cash in those checks who's maybe 35 years old, OK?

So there's a lot of dishonesty. There's a lot of fraud. But I think, at this moment, I will take Elon off the spot. I think that he's impressed. He said it very well, better than I can say it, that he's impressed with the people in this room, very impressed. And I am too.

And it's too early to say. But I think everybody's on board. They all know. We want to balance a budget. We want to have a balanced budget within a reasonably short period of time, meaning maybe by next year or the year after, but maybe even sooner than that.

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QUESTION: Mr. President, your number one issue was the border. We just got new information that they're doxxing our federal agents. They're putting their personal information out there, these activists. And they're disrupting the operations.

So you have got Tren de Aragua running all across the country.

TRUMP: Well, we have activists.

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QUESTION: So what are we going to do about the activists?

TRUMP: Yes, a lot of those activists are acting illegally. And we will give that to our attorney general, and she will take a look at that very strongly.

But we're also having tremendous support from Border Patrol, from ICE. The ICE agents have been unbelievable. Border Patrol -- their leadership at Border Patrol has been incredible, and they're working very well.

And, as you know -- and I saw you reporting it this morning,actually -- we set records on the least number of illegal aliens coming in, migrants coming into our country that we had -- that we have had in more than 50 years. And we did this all within a period of weeks, because we took over a mess.

The world was pouring in. And remember they were coming in from jails and prisons and mental institutions and insane asylums. And they were gang members and drug dealers. Anybody who wanted to come in, they could, and from not just South America, from all over the world.

So it's amazing what they have done. And Kristi and Tom Homan, the job they have done has been absolutely amazing. We set records for -- and we want people to come into our country, by the way, but they want to come in -- they have to come in legally.

I want that to be really understood. We want people in our country, but they have to come in legally.

QUESTION: Can I follow on that, Mr. President, about the Trump gold card idea that you unveiled yesterday?

TRUMP: Yes. I hope you like...

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QUESTION: I await more information.

But the question is, does this reflect a view on your part that the American immigration system has never been properly monetized as you feel it should be?

TRUMP: Well, not so much monetized. It hasn't been properly run.

I get calls from, as an example, companies where they want to hire the number one student at a school. A person comes from India, China, Japan, lots of different places, and they go to Harvard, the Wharton School of Finance. They go to Yale. They go to all great schools, and they graduate number one in their class, and they're made job offers, but the offer is immediately rescinded because you have no idea whether or not that person can stay in the country.

I want to be able to have that person stay in the country. These companies can go and buy a gold card, and they can use it as a matter of recruitment. At the same time, the companies -- using that money to pay down debt. We're going to pay down a lot of debt with that.

QUESTION: Are they going to have to...

TRUMP: And I think the gold card is going to be used by -- not only for the money, that. I mean, they will be used by companies. I mean, I could see Apple -- I have spoken with Tim Cook. And, by the way, he's going to make a $500 billion investment in the country, only because of the results of the election, and I think because of tariffs.

He's going to want to be in the country because of tariffs, because, if you're in the country, there is no tariff. If you're out of the country, you have got to pay tariffs. And it's going to be a great investment, I think, that he's making. I know it's going to be a great investment.

But we have to be able to get people in the country, and we want people that are productive people. And I will tell you, the people that can pay $5 million, they're going to create jobs. They're going to spend a lot of money on jobs. They're going to have to pay taxes on that too. So they're going to be hiring people. They're going to be bringing people in and companies in.

And I don't know. Maybe it will sell like crazy. I happen to think it's going to sell like crazy. It's a bargain. But we will know fairly soon.

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TRUMP: And I think Howard and Scott, a few of you really are responsible for it.

But, Howard, if you want to discuss that for a couple of minutes, I think I'd like to have you. I think it's going to be a very successful program.

HOWARD LUTNICK, U.S. COMMERCE SECRETARY: Sure.

TRUMP: This is Commerce.

LUTNICK: So the EB-5 program, which has been around for many years, had investment of $1 million into projects in America. And those projects were often suspect. They didn't really work out. There wasn't any oversight of it.

And so, for a million-dollar investment, you got a visa, and then you came into the country and ended up with a green card. So it was poorly overseen, poorly executed. Then you had our border open, where millions of people came through. So the idea is, we will have a proper business. We will modify the EB-5 agreement.

Kristi and I are working on it together. For $5 million, they will get a license from the Department of Commerce. Then they will make a proper investment on the EB-5, right? And we think Scott and I will design the EB-5 investment model, because Scott and I are the best people together to do that.

So this is joint -- this is exactly the Trump administration. We all work together. We work it out to be the best. And if we sell, just remember, 200,000 -- there's a line for EB-5 of 250,000 right now; 200,000 of these gold green cards is $1 trillion to pay down our debt.

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And that's why the president is doing it, because we are going to balance this budget, and we are going to pay off the debt under President Trump.

QUESTION: And, to qualify, do you have to promise and make commitments to create a certain number of jobs here in the U.S.?

TRUMP: No, no, because not all these people are going to be job builders. They will be successful people or they will be people that were hired from colleges, like -- sort of like paying an athlete a bonus.

Apple or one of the companies will go out and they will spend five -- they will buy five of them, and they're going to get five people. Look, I have had the complaint where -- I have had the complaint from a lot of companies where they go out to hire people and they can't hire them out of colleges. And you know what they do? They go back to India or they go back to the country where they came

and they open up a company and they become billionaires. They become -- and they're employing thousands and thousands. There are a lot of examples. There are some really big examples where they were forced out of the country, our -- they graduated top in their class at a great school, and they weren't able to stay.

This is all the time, you hear it. And the biggest complaint I get from companies, other than overregulation, which we took care of, but we're going to have to take care of it here, because a lot of that was put back on by Biden -- but the biggest complaint is the fact that they can't have any longevity with people. This way, they have pretty much unlimited longevity.

Also, with the $5 million, that's a path to citizenship. So that's going to be sort of a green card-plus. And it's a path to citizenship. We're going to call it the gold card. And I think it's going to be very treasured. I think it's going to do very well. And we're going to start selling hopefully in about two weeks.

Now, just so you understand, if we sell a million, right, a million, that's $5 trillion, $5 trillion. Howard was using a different number, but that's $5 trillion. If we sell 10 million, which is possible, 10 million highly productive people coming in, or people that we're going to make productive, they will be young, but they're talented, like a talented athlete, that's $50 trillion.

That means our debt is totally paid off, and we have $15 trillion above that. And, now, I don't know that we're going to sell that many. Maybe we won't sell many at all, but I think we're going to sell a lot, because I think there really is a thirst.

No other country can do this, because people don't want to go to other countries. They want to come here. Everybody wants to come here, especially since November 5.

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LUTNICK: They will all be vetted, by the way. All these people will be vetted, OK? They will be vetted.

QUESTION: Mr. President, on Ukraine, can you talk a lot -- a little bit about what type of security guarantees you're willing to make?

TRUMP: Well, I'm not going to make security guarantees beyond very much. We're going to have Europe do that, because it's in -- we're talking about Europe is their next-door neighbor.

But we're going to make sure everything goes well. And, as you know, we will be making a -- we will be really partnering with Ukraine in terms of rare earth. We very much need rare earth. They have great rare earth. We will be working with Secretary Burgum and with Chris. You will be working on that together.

And we're going to be able to have tremendous -- I mean, this gives us -- because we don't have that much of it here. We have some, but we don't have that much. And we need a lot more to really propel us to the next level of -- to lead in everywhere. We're leading right now with A.I. We're leading with everything right now, but we have to -- we need resources.

We have to double our electric capacity. We have to do many things. We have to really triple, if you think of it, the electric capacity from what we have right now, if you can believe it.

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TRUMP: So -- so -- I will just say this. So the deal we're making gets us -- it brings us great wealth. We get back the money that we spent, and we hope that we're going to be able to settle this up.

We want to settle it. We want to stop -- I tell you what. I'm doing it. I'm doing it for two reasons. But the number one reason, by far, is to watch all these people being killed. I see pictures every week, I assume satellite pictures mostly, but there's some pictures on site of thousands of soldiers that are being killed, that are being decimated, because equipment today, military equipment, is so powerful and so devastating.

And, number one, I want to see people stop. And they're not from here. They're from primarily two other countries. And then, by the way, let's talk about the Middle East. We got to solve that problem too. And that's come a long way. We're doing very well on that also. A lot of things are happening on that.

But I'm watching soldiers being killed, Ukrainian and Russian soldiers being killed. My number one thing is to get that stopped. My number two thing is, I don't want to have to pay any more money, because we have -- Biden has spent $350 billion without any chance of getting it back. Now we're going to be getting all of that money back, plus a lot more.

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And we provided a great thing. I mean, we provided something very important, and we'll be working with Ukraine, and because we'll be taking that, we're going to be taking what we're entitled to take. Now, they spent $350 billion and Europe spent $100 billion. Does anybody really think that's fair.

But then we find out a little while ago, not so long ago, a few months ago, I found out that the money they spent, they get back, but the money we spent, we don't get back. They said, well, we're going to get it back and we'll be able to make a deal. And again, President Zelenskyy is coming to sign the deal, and it's a great thing.

It's a great deal for Ukraine too, because they get us over there, and we're going to be working over there. We'll be on the land, and -- you know, in that way, it's this sort of automatic security, because nobody's going to be messing around with our people when we're there. And so, we'll be there in that way.

But Europe will be watching it very closely. I know that U.K. has said, and France has said that they want to put, they volunteer to put so called peace keepers on the site, and I think that's a good thing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mentioned the high cost of eggs. And we've seen consumer confidence this week have a sharp drop from last month, the biggest dip in, I believe, three years. Why is that your assessment? Why is that the case and is there anything --

TRUMP: I think the consumer confidence, if you look at confidence in the nation, it had the biggest increase in the history of the chart. It went up 42 points in a period of like days after the election, since the election.

So, since the election, the confidence in our nation, including right track, wrong track, the first time it's ever happened, where we're on the right track, because this country has been on the wrong track for a long time. So, the confidence in business, confidence in the country, has reached an all-time high. We have never reached levels like we are right now OK.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: President, you've been very clear in saying that as long as you're President Iran will never get a nuclear weapon?

TRUMP: That's true.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it also your policy that as long as you're President China will never take Taiwan by force?

TRUMP: I never comment on that. I don't comment on anything, because I don't want to ever put myself in that position. And if I said it, I certainly wouldn't be saying it to you. I'd be saying it to other people, maybe people around this table, around this table.

So, I don't want to put myself in that position. But I can tell you what, I have a great relationship with President Xi. I've had a great relationship with him. We want them to come in and invest I see so many things saying that we don't want China in this country. That's not right.

We want them to invest in the United States. That's good. There's a lot of money coming in, and we'll invest in China. We'll do things with China. The relationship we'll have with China will be a very good one. I see all of these phony reports that we don't want that money. We don't want anything to do with them. That's wrong.

We're going to have a good relationship with China, but they won't be able to take advantage of us. They -- what they did to Biden was he didn't know what was happening. He didn't know what he was doing. The administration didn't know what they were doing. It was very sad to watch.

But we're going to have a good relationship with China and Russia and Ukraine and the Middle East. We're doing things that look when I left, we had no wars. We had defeated ISIS totally. We had no inflation. We didn't have the Afghanistan withdrawal, the worst withdrawal anybody has ever seen. I think that's one of the reasons that President Putin looked at that.

He said, wow, these guys are a paper tiger look we're not paper tiger. Don't forget, we got rid of ISIS in three weeks. People said it would take five years. We did it because when I came in, I let them do what they had to do. And the man that headed that operation is now going to be your chairman, right Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

Razin Caine, I liked him right from the beginning as soon as I heard his name, I said, that's my guy. OK, any other question?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- deep decreases in crossings at the border for you to continue the pause on tariffs against Mexico and Canada?

TRUMP: I'm not stopping the tariffs. No. Millions of people have died because of the fentanyl that comes over the border.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Even with the 90 percent drop in border crossings, though, compared to about a year ago.

TRUMP: Yeah, they've been good, but that's also due to us, mostly due to us.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You -

TRUMP: It's right now very hard to come through the border, but the -- look, the damage has been done. We've lost millions of people due to fentanyl. It comes mostly from China, but it comes through Mexico, and it comes through Canada.

And I have to tell you that -- you know, on April 2nd, I was going to do it on April 1st, but I'm a little bit superstitious. I made it April 2nd. The tariffs go on, not all of them, but a lot of them. And I think you're going to see something that's going to be amazing. We've been taken advantage of as a country for a long period of time. We've been -- we've been tariffed but we didn't have.

Now I did when I was here, I tariff we took in $700 billion from China, 700 billion. Not one president in this the history of our country took in $010 from China.

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At the same time, China respected us. Now, when COVID came in, that was a different deal. I used to call it the China virus. I guess I could call it the China virus again, but -- you know, it's an accurate term, but I won't do that out of respect to China.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- enforcement.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On Gaza, I just wondered if there's any progress towards a second phase of the ceasefire.

TRUMP: Well, I'm very disappointed when I see four bodies came in today. These are young people. Young people don't die. OK? Young people don't die. These are young people. Four bodies came in today. They think they're doing us a favor by sending us bodies. So, look, that's a decision has to be made by Israel, by Bibi, but Israel has to make that decision.

We got a lot of hostages back, but it's very sad what happened to those people? I mean, you had a young lady with her hand practically blown off. You know why it blow up? Because she put up her hand to try and stop a bullet that was coming her way, and it hit her hand and blew off her fingers, big part of a hand this.

This is a vicious group of people, and Israel is going to have to decide what they're doing. Phase one is going to be ending. Think of it today. They sent in four bodies, bodies. And I will say one thing, though, I've spoken to a lot of the parents and a lot of the people involved. They want those bodies almost as much, and maybe even just as much as they wanted their son or their daughter.

Amazing, please, sir, please. My son is dead, but they have his body. Please can you get it for us? It's the biggest thing. It's incredible the level they want the bodies of these people. They're dead. They're dead. And you know, when I saw the ones that came in two weeks ago, they look like they just got out of a concentration camp.

Then the following week, a group came in, and they weren't as bad and as bad a shame, but it was just going to have to make a decision. You're right, phase one, and now phase two has started. And today we got some -- you know very, very -- we knew they were dead. By the way we knew that they were going to be bodies, as opposed to people that were living. But the very sad situation, at some point, somebody is going to say, we're going to do something about this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President Afghanistan and the bots withdrawal. Have all the generals or command staff that were involved with the withdrawal being fired or relieved of duty?

TRUMP: Well, that's a great idea. I'm not going to tell this man what to do, but I will say that if I had his place, I'd fire every single one of them.

PETE HEGSETH, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: That's a very good question. A question we thought a lot about. We're doing a complete review of every single aspect of what happened with the bot withdrawal of Afghanistan, and planned to have full accountability.

It's one of the first things we announced at the Defense Department for that reason. Certainly, General Razin Caine, who was on his way in, was not a part of that. Instead, was a part of leading the effort against ISIS by untying the hands of war fighters, finishing the job properly, and bringing our troops home. So, we're taking a very different view, obviously, than the previous administration, and there will be full accountability. TRUMP: I don't see big promotions in that group. I think they're going

to be largely gone. I know the man on my left, I think they're going to be largely gone. That was a horrible display. And you know, I've dealt with the parents and the family of the 13 that were killed, but you know, nobody ever talks about the 40 that were so badly hurt with the arms and the legs and the face and the whole thing, the missing arms and legs.

It was so terrible, the way that was handled, and it should have been gone through Bagram. We have a big base with big fences, and nobody can get in, and you have -- you know hundreds of acres, instead of a little local airport where the whole place went crazy, that was so badly handled. And I would think that most of those people are going to be gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are we going to take argument back?

TRUMP: So, I'll tell you what. What has bothered me very much, very, very much. We give billions of dollars to Afghanistan. Nobody knows that. Nobody knew that. You know, we give billions of dollars to Afghanistan, and yet we left behind all of that equipment, which wouldn't happen.

You know, we were getting out under me. I'm the one that got it down to 5000 people. We were going to get out, but we were going to keep Bagram, not because of Afghanistan, but because of China, because it's exactly one hour away from where China makes its nuclear missiles.

So, they - we're going to keep Bagram. We were going to keep a small force on Bagram. We're going to have Bagram Air Base, one of the biggest air bases in the world, one of the biggest runways, one of the most powerful runways, in the sense that it was very heavy concrete and steel you could carry about anything you could land, anything on those runways.

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We gave it up, and you know who's occupying it right now, China. China -- Biden gave it up. So, we're going to keep that, and we're going to have a withdrawal, and we're going to take our equipment. We're going to do it properly. We're going to do it very -- we're going to keep the equipment.

Well, they ran out. It was what happened there was -- in fact, you know, in all fairness, to put when he saw that, he said, well, this is our time to go into Ukraine, I guess because it was the timing seemed to be about right. But we send them billions of dollars in aid, which nobody knows if they -- if the American public knew that. They know it now.

And if we're doing that, I think they should give our equipment back. And I told Pete to study that. But we left billions, tens of billions of dollars-worth of equipment behind, brand-new trucks. You see them display it every year, or their little roadway someplace where they have a road and they drive the -- you know, waving the flag and talking about America. Beautiful equipment, that's all, I mean, the top-of-the line stuff, brand new stuff. Now it's getting older, but you know what we're going to pay them? I think we should get a lot of that equipment back. You know that Afghanistan is one of the biggest sellers of military equipment in the world. You know why they're selling the equipment that were left.

We're first they were second or third. Can you believe it? They're selling 777,000 rifles, 70,000 armor plated. Many of them were armor plated trucks and vehicles, 70,000 if you think of a used car lot, the biggest one in the country, if I would say, J.D. if somebody had 500 cars, that would be a lot. This is 70,000 vehicles we had there, and we left it for them. I think we should get it back.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. President this spending bill that passed last night aims to cut $2 trillion.

TRUMP: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you guarantee that Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security will not be touched.

TRUMP: Yeah. I mean, I have said it so many times. You shouldn't be asking me that question. OK? This will not be read my lips. It won't be read my lips anymore. We're not going to touch it now. We are going to look for fraud. I'm sure you're OK with that, like people that shouldn't be on, people that are illegal aliens and others criminals, in many cases, and that's with Social Security.

We have a lot of people. You see that immediately when you see people that are 200 years old that are being sent checks for Social Security, some of them are actually being sent checks. So, we're tracing that down, and I have a feeling that Pam is going to do a very good job with that, but you have a lot of fraud and but now I'm not -- we're not doing anything.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Part of your mission has been, thank you. I'm sorry. Part of your mission has been to restore executive control over the executive branch. Is it your view of your authority, that you have the power to call up any one of or all of the people seated at this table and issue orders that they're bound to follow?

TRUMP: Oh yeah, they'll follow the orders. Yes, no exception. No except, well, let's see. Let me think, oh yeah, she'll have an exception. Of course, no exceptions. You know that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. President, can you clarify the Canada, Mexico tariffs. You had put that 30 day pause, but you just referred to 25 percent -

TRUMP: 25 percent.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- when does it go into effect?

TRUMP: April 2nd.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: April 2nd for Canada, Mexico -

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And for everything. Well, we have the fentanyl related is a pause. If they can prove to the president they've done an excellent job, that's what they first do in 30 days. The overall is April 2nd. So, the big transaction is April 2, but the fentanyl related things, they're working hard on the border. At the end of that 30 days, they have to prove to the President that they've satisfied him to that regard, if they have a pause or he won't.

TRUMP: We lose 300,000 people a year to fentanyl. Not 100 not 95 not 60 like you read -- you know you've been reading it for years. We lost, in my opinion, over the last couple of years, on average, maybe close to 300,000 people dead, and the families are ruined.

You know, when they lose a daughter, when they lose a son, the families are never the same. You're never going to be the same. So, you're talking about a million people. But when the daughters die, I see it. Daughters die and the sons die because of fentanyl.

And in some cases, I don't even know they're taking it. They're buying something else, and it's laced with fentanyl, and they end up dying. And I've known many people who have lost children to fentanyl and for other reasons, but to fentanyl, it's such a big killer, and those people are never the same people.

I mean, I've seen people that for the rest of their lives, they're not the same people. They're so different, it's not even believable. Dynamic people, happy people that are -- they die a miserable death, and that's because of the crap that comes in through China and through Mexico.

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